Miguel,

Los padres de Andrés Muñoz de Nava fueron Diego Muñoz de Nava y Catarina de
Villalobos; y los de María Teresa de Alba y Estrada Bocanegra fueron Juan de
Alba y Estrada Bocanegra y Juliana de Villalobos [aka Juliana Carrillo].

BILL FIGUEROA

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Munoz de Nava -Maria Teresa De Alba
yEstrada Bocanegra

Alguien tiene los padres de esta pareja, vecinos de San Miguel (de los
Alba), casada en Aguascalientes el 5 de junio de 1719. En el registro del
matrimonio no aparecen sus padres…etc.

Muchas Gracias Bill.

Miguel Beltran

Miguel, how far have you traced the Rubio de Monroy and MArtinez de Basurto y Verdin of Guadalajara?I traced it back to the early 1600s and I might have found the peninusulares of this family but need toorder some records to verify it.
Regards,Daniel
Eufracia Antonia was daughter of Miguel Rubio de Monroy and Beatriz de Noriega (Martinez de Basurto).She was baptized 2 Feb 1735 in Cocula, Jalisco.
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> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: migueltran@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:14:46 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Munoz de Nava -Maria Teresa De Alba y Estrada Bocanegra
>
> Aguien tiene los padres de esta pareja, vecinos de San Miguel(de los Alba), casada en Aguascalientes el 5 de junio de 1719. En el registro del matrimonio no aparecen sus padres.
> Andres y Maria Teresa tuvieron por hijos, al menos a:
> -Francisco Antonio.- Sepultado el 6 mayo 1729, de 3 dias de edad, en Aguascalientes.
> -Francisco Antonio(otro).- bautizado abr 1737 en Aguascalientes Y casado con Maria de los Dolores Gonzalez Rubio y Lomelin, el 9 de octubre de 1768 en Santa Maria de los Lagos).
> -Joseph Joaquin.- Bautizado el 11 abr 1728 en Aguascalientes, y casado con Eufrasia -Antonia Rubio de Monroy y Martinez de Basurto el 8 de enero de 1755 en el mismo lugar
> -Miguel Geronimo.- bautizado el 22 de oct 1731 en Aguascalientes.
> -Magdalena.- bautizada el 16 de febrero de 1724 en Aguascalientes.
>
> Gracias.

I have some questions Bill, just to verify, I know the compound surname de Alba y Estrada-Bocanegrawas created when Jose de Alba married Maria de Estrada y Bocanegra so I assume Juan is their son?Also, do you have more info on Catarina de Villalobos who married Diego Munoz de Nava? Who arethe parents of Juliana de Villaobos aka Carrillo.
Regards,Daniel
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> From: bill_figueroa@usa.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:21:11 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Munoz de Nava -Maria Teresa De Alba yEstrada Bocanegra
>
> Miguel,
>
> Los padres de Andrés Muñoz de Nava fueron Diego Muñoz de Nava y Catarina de
> Villalobos; y los de María Teresa de Alba y Estrada Bocanegra fueron Juan de
> Alba y Estrada Bocanegra y Juliana de Villalobos [aka Juliana Carrillo].
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 10:14 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Munoz de Nava -Maria Teresa De Alba
> yEstrada Bocanegra
>
>
> Alguien tiene los padres de esta pareja, vecinos de San Miguel (de los
> Alba), casada en Aguascalientes el 5 de junio de 1719. En el registro del
> matrimonio no aparecen sus padres…etc.
>
>

Daniel, I really have nothing. only is the marriage of Eufrasia, her baptism, and her parent´s marriage.

I’d appreciate if you send me some of what you have

Miguel Beltran

Daniel,

Juan de Alba y Estrada Bocanegra WAS NOT the son of Joseph de Alba and María Estrada Bocanegra. That illustrates the danger of making assumptions based only on surnames, not actual research. He was the son of Christobal de Alba and Theresa de Estrada Bocanegra. Joseph and Christobal were brothers, and María and Theresa were sisters. That makes Juan de Alba y Estrada Bocanegra the nephew of Joseph de Alba and María Estrada Bocanegra.

The parents of Juliana de Villalobos, aka Juliana Carrillo, were Miguel de Villalobos and Antonia Carrillo de Sandi.

BILL FIGUEROA

—– Original Message —–
From: “Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto”
To: “Patty Hoyos”
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Munoz de Nava -Maria Teresa DeAlba yEstrada Bocanegra

I have some questions Bill, just to verify, I know the compound surname de Alba y Estrada-Bocanegrawas created when Jose de Alba married Maria de Estrada y Bocanegra so I assume Juan is their son?Also, do you have more info on Catarina de Villalobos who married Diego Munoz de Nava? Who arethe parents of Juliana de Villaobos aka Carrillo.

Regards,Daniel

Hi Bill,
Do you the parents of Miguel de Villalobos and Antonia Carrillo de Sandi?
Thanks,Daniel

> From: bill_figueroa@usa.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:55:46 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Muñoz de Nava -Maria Teresa De Alba y Estrada Bocanegra
>
> Daniel,
>
> Juan de Alba y Estrada Bocanegra WAS NOT the son of Joseph de Alba and María Estrada Bocanegra. That illustrates the danger of making assumptions based only on surnames, not actual research. He was the son of Christobal de Alba and Theresa de Estrada Bocanegra. Joseph and Christobal were brothers, and María and Theresa were sisters. That makes Juan de Alba y Estrada Bocanegra the nephew of Joseph de Alba and María Estrada Bocanegra.
>
> The parents of Juliana de Villalobos, aka Juliana Carrillo, were Miguel de Villalobos and Antonia Carrillo de Sandi.
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto”
> To: “Patty Hoyos”
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Munoz de Nava -Maria Teresa DeAlba yEstrada Bocanegra
>
>
>
> I have some questions Bill, just to verify, I know the compound surname de Alba y Estrada-Bocanegrawas created when Jose de Alba married Maria de Estrada y Bocanegra so I assume Juan is their son?Also, do you have more info on Catarina de Villalobos who married Diego Munoz de Nava? Who arethe parents of Juliana de Villaobos aka Carrillo.
>
> Regards,Daniel

R.A.Ricci

I have been stumped by my estrada Bocanegra lines.

Do you know the parents of Cristobal de alba and Maria estrada y bocanegra?

What about the parents of maria estrada bocanegra married to fernando gomez Hurtado de mendoza y valdivia?

a third brick wall is diego Estrada married to Sebastiana Montano Cortez de arteaga?

A fourth estrada brick wall is Pedro Estrada married abt 1664 to Andrea Becerra Rodriguez?

Number 5 is Maria estrada Bocanegra married to Andres Munoz de Nava?

Number 6 is Maria de Carmel estrada married to salvador Becerra?

Number 7 is Petrona Estrada married to Jose Esteban Tello de Orosco y Ensino?

Hi, I can help with a couple of these:

1. I think you might have an error, Jose de Alba married Maria de Estrada-Bocanegra

not Cristobal, though they were brothers, Cristobal married Teresa Flores-Rubin.

Maria de Estrada-Bocangra was daughter of Andres de Estrada-Bocanegra and

Luisa Flores-Rubin (aka. Alvarez). Luisa and Maria were sisters. Cristobal

was son of Jose de Alba and Catalina de Arenas (Marin de Penaloza).

2. I have my assumoptions on this other Maria de Estrada who married Fernando

Gomez de Mendoza and Andres Munoz de Hermosillo, since she was from Jalostotitlan

that makes her probably a grandauther of Andres de Estrada-Bocanegra.

BTW, I descend from Cortes de Arteaga too, could you help me? I have

Diego Antonio Cortes de Arteaga and Margarita Gomez de Espejo (aka. Hernandez Gamino)

They married abt 1679 in Ayo el Chico and Diego Antonio died 17 Oct 1701 in Tepatitlan.

Ihave Margarita’s parents but I have not found any more info on Antonio/

Thanks, Daniel

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Can you clarify the parents and grandparents of andres munoz de nava and maria teresa bocanegra? Are maria teresa’s parents juan de alba estrada bocanegra and juliana Villalobos (Carillo de Sandi) and are juan’s parents Cristobal de alba and teresa bocanegra. Is this teresa the Flores- Rubin you speak of. If it is than where does the estrada bocanegra come from.
As to margarita gomez de espejo hernandez Velasco, I have her as the daughter of Ana gomez de espejo.
I do not have a father listed but do have ana antonia gomez de espejo married to luis antonio Salcedo in 1653 and believe it is Possible that these 2 anas may be the same person but I do not know. Ana antonia is the dotr of domingo and juana.
The gomez de espejo line descends from domingo hernandez gamino and juana gomez de espejo
Who do you have as margaritas parents? I do not have antonios parents. I have antonio as being born abt 1654 in tepa along with the same marriage date and death as you have.

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—–Original Message—–
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 08:20:44
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] 7 Estrada Bocanegra Brickwalls

Hi, I can help with a couple of these:

1. I think you might have an error, Jose de Alba married Maria de Estrada-Bocanegra

not Cristobal, though they were brothers, Cristobal married Teresa Flores-Rubin.

Maria de Estrada-Bocangra was daughter of Andres de Estrada-Bocanegra and

Luisa Flores-Rubin (aka. Alvarez). Luisa and Maria were sisters. Cristobal

was son of Jose de Alba and Catalina de Arenas (Marin de Penaloza).

2. I have my assumoptions on this other Maria de Estrada who married Fernando

Gomez de Mendoza and Andres Munoz de Hermosillo, since she was from Jalostotitlan

that makes her probably a grandauther of Andres de Estrada-Bocanegra.

BTW, I descend from Cortes de Arteaga too, could you help me? I have

Diego Antonio Cortes de Arteaga and Margarita Gomez de Espejo (aka. Hernandez Gamino)

They married abt 1679 in Ayo el Chico and Diego Antonio died 17 Oct 1701 in Tepatitlan.

Ihave Margarita’s parents but I have not found any more info on Antonio/

Thanks, Daniel

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R.A.Ricci

I ma looking for the parents of cristobal de alba and teresa estrada bocanegra
Cristobal was buried 5nov1681 with teresa listed as his wife
Teresa estrada bocanegra died 10oct1699 both died in aguascalientes

Andres Munoz de Nava was son of Diego Munoz de Nava and Catalina de Villalobos.
Maria Teresa DE ALBA Y ESTRADA-BOCANEGRA was daughter of Juan de Alba y Estrada-Bocanegraand Juana Carrillo de Sandi (de Villalobos). The Albas who married the Estradas about 4 couplescombined their last names, making DE ALBA Y ESTRADA-Bocanegra.
Yes, Teresa Flores Rubin is the same woman, Teresa de Estrada Bocanegra. She was daughterof Andres de Estrada-Bocanegra and Luisa Flores Rubin (Luisa being of the Flores de la Torre clan).They were vecinos of Guadalajara. Teresa used her maternal name. When she married Cristobalde Alba they compounded their names de Alba y Estrada-Bocanegra, eventhough Teresa herselfused Flores Rubin.

Margarita’s father is uknown (per the baptismal records, she is also listed as Velasco) so herfather was a RUIZ DE VELASCO and her mother is Ana Gomez de Espejo. Probably, a daughterof Domingo Hernandez Gamino but there is no evidence.
I’ll need to check my records but Antonio is full listed as Diego Antonio Cortes de Arteaga, probablya dispensa is where I got it from. Good thing Im getting origanized with citations!!!
Not sure about Ana’s parents this eludes me, but she is obvously an early Gomez de Espejo.

Regards,Daniel
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Can you connect this andres estrada bocanegra to alonso estrada the treasurer? I have catarina villalobos as a daughter of josefa martin del campo. No father listed in my records.
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—–Original Message—–
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:20:56
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] 7 Estrada Bocanegra Brickwalls

Andres Munoz de Nava was son of Diego Munoz de Nava and Catalina de Villalobos.
Maria Teresa DE ALBA Y ESTRADA-BOCANEGRA was daughter of Juan de Alba y Estrada-Bocanegraand Juana Carrillo de Sandi (de Villalobos). The Albas who married the Estradas about 4 couplescombined their last names, making DE ALBA Y ESTRADA-Bocanegra.
Yes, Teresa Flores Rubin is the same woman, Teresa de Estrada Bocanegra. She was daughterof Andres de Estrada-Bocanegra and Luisa Flores Rubin (Luisa being of the Flores de la Torre clan).They were vecinos of Guadalajara. Teresa used her maternal name. When she married Cristobalde Alba they compounded their names de Alba y Estrada-Bocanegra, eventhough Teresa herselfused Flores Rubin.

Margarita’s father is uknown (per the baptismal records, she is also listed as Velasco) so herfather was a RUIZ DE VELASCO and her mother is Ana Gomez de Espejo. Probably, a daughterof Domingo Hernandez Gamino but there is no evidence.
I’ll need to check my records but Antonio is full listed as Diego Antonio Cortes de Arteaga, probablya dispensa is where I got it from. Good thing Im getting origanized with citations!!!
Not sure about Ana’s parents this eludes me, but she is obvously an early Gomez de Espejo.

Regards,Daniel
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Can you share more about this Josepha Martin del Campo? What source do you have forher being the mother of Catarina (Catalina), I guess we’ll have to find her father somehow.
Regards,Daniel

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