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Pat Silva Corbera · 2012-09-24T19:15:05Z

To List Members, Has anyone in this List Group been autosomal tested? To List Members, Has anyone in this List Group been autosomal tested? If so, what information did it supply that helped with your research ? Were you the only one in your family that was autosomal tested? What company did you use for this test? I'm not asking for individual names that appeared on your test results print out, just how it was beneficial to you? From the test results did you link with others on your test print out that you didn't know about before taking the test? I'm trying to decide if this is a test that would be beneficial in learning more about my husband's paternal and maternal Native American ancestry. Thank you, Pat Silva Corbera

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jcaguayo

(@jcaguayo)

Posts: 55

Trusted Member

Hi Alice,

I’ve used:

mtDNA (HVR1 & HVR2)
Y-DNA (1-12, 13-25 & 26-37)
and
Family Finder (the autosomal DNA test) for both myself and my mother.

All the results were intriguing. The most intersting has been family finder
because it gave me my ethnic breakdown and a list of people that have also
tested with Family Finder and that have genetic matches.

Juan

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Hello Juan,
> Which Family Tree products did you use?
> Thanks, Alice
>
> — On Thu, 9/27/12, Juan Aguayo wrote:
>
>
> From: Juan Aguayo
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thursday, September 27, 2012, 5:04 PM
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I’ve also used FamilyTreeDNA’s family finder. I had my mother tested as
> well so we are both in their system.
>
> I’ve shared my info with my prima Alicia Carrillo, but I’ll share here as
> well.
>
> I’m 33% Native Mexican, 55% European, and 12% North African. The family
> finder gave me a list of about 40 distant relatives with strands of DNA
> matches.
>
> The more interesting part of this email chain is that I have a hunch that
> Raquel and I are related via the Aguirre’s from Nochistlan. My paternal
> grandfather’s maternal side of the family is Aguirre. I have Nicolas
> Aguirre Yanes married to Maria Felipa Contreas Gonsales on May 20, 1740.
> Nicolas’s parents are listed as Antonio de Aguirre and Francisca Yanes. I
> wonder if this is the same Antonio Aguirre in Raquel’s tree????
>
> Nicolas and Maria Felipa are my 5ggpts.
>
> I still have some contacts from the Aguirre’s from Nochistlan and one day
> hope to get a y-DNA test on these Aguirres.
>
> Saludos,
> Juan Aguayo
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Alice Blake wrote:
>
> > Hello Raquel,
> > How interesting! As you can see, I don’t have a vast knowledge of DNA
> > analysis as to what can be learned and what is usable to further
> > personal genealogical research. I suppose I’m overly cautious because of
> > the costs involved. So you are given matches based on common DNA, but
> not
> > necesarily the ancestor through whom you are related. At that point I
> > imagine one would exchange genealogical information. That can certainly
> > makes this a very small but exiciting world.
> > Again, thank you so much, Alice
> >
> > — On Wed, 9/26/12, Raquel Ruiz wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Raquel Ruiz
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Date: Wednesday, September 26, 2012, 11:16 PM
> >
> >
> > Alice, As I indicated, I have not put any concerted effort in using the
> > family finder matches yet–it on my “to do” list for retirement. I’ve
> > identified a few matches with people from fellow NR members, which
> expanded
> > my list of ancestor’s siblings. I’ve had some contact from matches not
> in
> > my Jalisco line, but either they or I have not collected enough
> > genealogical information to identify our shared ancestor yet. That may
> > come in the future. I and an HRV2 but not Full Sequence match did use
> the
> > FF to confirm that we will not be able to identify our shared ancestor.
> > She is the only match for my father’s Haplogroup C. But we still enjoy
> > calling each other “cousin”.
> > Raquel Ruiz
> > — — — — — — — — — — — — —
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/>
> > — — — — — — — — — — — — —
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/>
> >

Posted : 27/09/2012 7:15 pm

Pat Silva Corbera

(@pat-silva-corbera)

Posts: 488

Topic starter

Hello Juan,

My husband, Florentino L. Corbera (Tino) has had his 67 marker YDNA tested with results placing him in Haplogroup Q1a3a (Native American), his mtDNA HVR1 & HVR2 results Haplogroup A (also Native American).

Tino has not taken the autosomal test, I was waiting to gather more information on what inforamtion that test would provide, plus also waiting for a possible price reduction.

Tino also links with a Nicolas Aguirre, who married on 20 May 1744 to Maria Phelipa Gonzalez Contreras all from Nochistlan. I have the year as 1744 you have 1740, I’ll try and locate a record online… Nicolas and Phelipa are Tino’s 4th Great-Grandparents.

I do not have Nicolas’ parent’s names. Phelips’s parents are Juan de Contreras y Melchora Losano Gonzalez.

Nicolas and Phelipa’s two sons are both Tino’s 3rd Great-Grandfathers: son(1) – Joseph Joaquin Aguirre is his maternal paternal direct line and son(2) Joseph Leonicio Contreras Aguirre is his maternal direct line.

It’s my understanding that only individuals that have been autosomal tested will make hits on the print out that you referenced… Apparently YDNA and mtDNA test area differ from that of the autosomal.

It would be very interesting if Tino’s name appears on your autosomal test results print out.

I believe that I have included the above noted individuals in my GEDCOM that is posted on NR…if not just let me know and I’ll share with you what I do have…

How are you related to Alicia? I do not have an Antonio de Aguirre in my file, would be nice if we could actually link with Raquel that would be a “huge find.”

to be continued:

Patricia J. Silva Corbera
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy,CA.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Juan Aguayo”
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing

Hi,

I’ve also used FamilyTreeDNA’s family finder. I had my mother tested as
well so we are both in their system.

I’ve shared my info with my prima Alicia Carrillo, but I’ll share here as
well.

I’m 33% Native Mexican, 55% European, and 12% North African. The family
finder gave me a list of about 40 distant relatives with strands of DNA
matches.

The more interesting part of this email chain is that I have a hunch that
Raquel and I are related via the Aguirre’s from Nochistlan. My paternal
grandfather’s maternal side of the family is Aguirre. I have Nicolas
Aguirre Yanes married to Maria Felipa Contreas Gonsales on May 20, 1740.
Nicolas’s parents are listed as Antonio de Aguirre and Francisca Yanes. I
wonder if this is the same Antonio Aguirre in Raquel’s tree????

Nicolas and Maria Felipa are my 5ggpts.

I still have some contacts from the Aguirre’s from Nochistlan and one day
hope to get a y-DNA test on these Aguirres.

Saludos,
Juan Aguayo

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Hello Raquel,
> How interesting! As you can see, I don’t have a vast knowledge of DNA
> analysis as to what can be learned and what is usable to further
> personal genealogical research. I suppose I’m overly cautious because of
> the costs involved. So you are given matches based on common DNA, but not
> necesarily the ancestor through whom you are related. At that point I
> imagine one would exchange genealogical information. That can certainly
> makes this a very small but exiciting world.
> Again, thank you so much, Alice
>
> — On Wed, 9/26/12, Raquel Ruiz wrote:
>
>
> From: Raquel Ruiz
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wednesday, September 26, 2012, 11:16 PM
>
>
> Alice, As I indicated, I have not put any concerted effort in using the
> family finder matches yet–it on my “to do” list for retirement. I’ve
> identified a few matches with people from fellow NR members, which expanded
> my list of ancestor’s siblings. I’ve had some contact from matches not in
> my Jalisco line, but either they or I have not collected enough
> genealogical information to identify our shared ancestor yet. That may
> come in the future. I and an HRV2 but not Full Sequence match did use the
> FF to confirm that we will not be able to identify our shared ancestor.
> She is the only match for my father’s Haplogroup C. But we still enjoy
> calling each other “cousin”.
> Raquel Ruiz

Posted : 27/09/2012 8:00 pm

alicebb

(@alicebb)

Posts: 454

Hi Juan,
Which test gave you your ethnic percentages breakdown that you mentioned? If I order the YDNA 37-mtDNA Plus for my brother to take, will I also receive this info for both the paternal and maternal sides of our family? Thanks so much, Alice

— On Thu, 9/27/12, Juan Aguayo wrote:

From: Juan Aguayo
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, September 27, 2012, 7:02 PM

Hi Alice,

I’ve used:

mtDNA (HVR1 & HVR2)
Y-DNA (1-12, 13-25 & 26-37)
and
Family Finder (the autosomal DNA test) for both myself and my mother.

Juan

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

Posted : 27/09/2012 8:30 pm

jcaguayo

(@jcaguayo)

Posts: 55

Trusted Member

Hi Alice,

The Family Finder product (autosomal test) gives you your ethnic breakdown.

YDNA 37-mtDNA Plus will only give you your paternal and maternal DNA info.

My mtDNA Haplogroup is A
My YDNA is Haplogroup is G2a3b1a2

I hope this helps,

Juan

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Hi Juan,
> Which test gave you your ethnic percentages breakdown that you mentioned?
> If I order the YDNA 37-mtDNA Plus for my brother to take, will I also
> receive this info for both the paternal and maternal sides of our family?
> Thanks so much, Alice
>
> — On Thu, 9/27/12, Juan Aguayo wrote:
>
>
> From: Juan Aguayo
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thursday, September 27, 2012, 7:02 PM
>
>
> Hi Alice,
>
> I’ve used:
>
> mtDNA (HVR1 & HVR2)
> Y-DNA (1-12, 13-25 & 26-37)
> and
> Family Finder (the autosomal DNA test) for both myself and my mother.
>
> All the results were intriguing. The most intersting has been family finder
> because it gave me my ethnic breakdown and a list of people that have also
> tested with Family Finder and that have genetic matches.
>
> Juan
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Alice Blake wrote:
>
> > Hello Juan,
> > Which Family Tree products did you use?
> > Thanks, Alice
> >
> > — On Thu, 9/27/12, Juan Aguayo wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Juan Aguayo
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Date: Thursday, September 27, 2012, 5:04 PM
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I’ve also used FamilyTreeDNA’s family finder. I had my mother tested as
> > well so we are both in their system.
> >
> > I’ve shared my info with my prima Alicia Carrillo, but I’ll share here as
> > well.
> >
> > I’m 33% Native Mexican, 55% European, and 12% North African. The family
> > finder gave me a list of about 40 distant relatives with strands of DNA
> > matches.
> >
> > The more interesting part of this email chain is that I have a hunch that
> > Raquel and I are related via the Aguirre’s from Nochistlan. My paternal
> > grandfather’s maternal side of the family is Aguirre. I have Nicolas
> > Aguirre Yanes married to Maria Felipa Contreas Gonsales on May 20, 1740.
> > Nicolas’s parents are listed as Antonio de Aguirre and Francisca Yanes. I
> > wonder if this is the same Antonio Aguirre in Raquel’s tree????
> >
> > Nicolas and Maria Felipa are my 5ggpts.
> >
> > I still have some contacts from the Aguirre’s from Nochistlan and one day
> > hope to get a y-DNA test on these Aguirres.
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Juan Aguayo
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Alice Blake wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Raquel,
> > > How interesting! As you can see, I don’t have a vast knowledge of DNA
> > > analysis as to what can be learned and what is usable to further
> > > personal genealogical research. I suppose I’m overly cautious because
> of
> > > the costs involved. So you are given matches based on common DNA, but
> > not
> > > necesarily the ancestor through whom you are related. At that point I
> > > imagine one would exchange genealogical information. That can
> certainly
> > > makes this a very small but exiciting world.
> > > Again, thank you so much, Alice
> > >
> > > — On Wed, 9/26/12, Raquel Ruiz wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Raquel Ruiz
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
> > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Date: Wednesday, September 26, 2012, 11:16 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > Alice, As I indicated, I have not put any concerted effort in using the
> > > family finder matches yet–it on my “to do” list for retirement. I’ve
> > > identified a few matches with people from fellow NR members, which
> > expanded
> > > my list of ancestor’s siblings. I’ve had some contact from matches not
> > in
> > > my Jalisco line, but either they or I have not collected enough
> > > genealogical information to identify our shared ancestor yet. That may
> > > come in the future. I and an HRV2 but not Full Sequence match did use
> > the
> > > FF to confirm that we will not be able to identify our shared ancestor.
> > > She is the only match for my father’s Haplogroup C. But we still enjoy
> > > calling each other “cousin”.
> > > Raquel Ruiz
> > > — — — — — — — — — — — — —
> > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> > >
> > > To post, send email to:
> > > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> > >
> > > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/>
> > > — — — — — — — — — — — — —
> > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> > >
> > > To post, send email to:
> > > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> > >
> > > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/>
> > >
> > — — — — — — — — — — — — —
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/>
> > — — — — — — — — — — — — —
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/>
> >

Posted : 27/09/2012 10:00 pm

Pat Silva Corbera

(@pat-silva-corbera)

Posts: 488

Topic starter

Hello Juan,

I found the marriage record for Nicolas de Aguirre and Maria Phelipa Contrera, it’s located online at this address
Mexico, Catholic Church Records
Zacatecas
Nochistlán
Nochistlán, Zacatecas
Matrimonios 1736-1762
214 Image of 630 (it continues top of image 215)

Do you agre there is a link with your Aguirre family and that of my husband Florentino L Corbera (Tino) ?

Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

—– Original Message —–
From: “Pat Corbera”
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:41:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing – Possible Linking w/ Juan Aguayo and Florentino L Corbera

Hello Juan,

Tino has not taken the autosomal test, I was waiting to gather more information on what inforamtion that test would provide, plus also waiting for a possible price reduction.

I do not have Nicolas’ parent’s names. Phelips’s parents are Juan de Contreras y Melchora Losano Gonzalez.

It would be very interesting if Tino’s name appears on your autosomal test results print out.

I believe that I have included the above noted individuals in my GEDCOM that is posted on NR…if not just let me know and I’ll share with you what I do have…

How are you related to Alicia? I do not have an Antonio de Aguirre in my file, would be nice if we could actually link with Raquel that would be a “huge find.”

to be continued:

Patricia J. Silva Corbera
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy,CA.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Juan Aguayo”
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing

Hi,

I’ve also used FamilyTreeDNA’s family finder. I had my mother tested as
well so we are both in their system.

I’ve shared my info with my prima Alicia Carrillo, but I’ll share here as
well.

I’m 33% Native Mexican, 55% European, and 12% North African. The family
finder gave me a list of about 40 distant relatives with strands of DNA
matches.

Nicolas and Maria Felipa are my 5ggpts.

I still have some contacts from the Aguirre’s from Nochistlan and one day
hope to get a y-DNA test on these Aguirres.

Saludos,
Juan Aguayo

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

Posted : 27/09/2012 11:45 pm

RaquelRuiz

(@raquelruiz)

Posts: 238

Reputable Member

Juan,
I’m not sure about that connection. I have not located Manuel de Aguirre’s
baptismal. There is a possible record in Teocaltiche in 1714; I have to
comb through the records to locate it–its not in sequence But it would
then conflict with his mg record that states he is from Nochistlan. And
the 1738 mg record lists his father as deceased but not his mother. If she
isn’t deceased, then his father couldn’t be your Antonio, since it looks
like your Antonio Aguirre and Francisca Yanez were still procreating in
1729. Do you have the mg record for Antonio and Francisca, and does in
indicated he was a widow?

Also, I have Family Finder results for both me and my father. I would
have thought one of us would have come up as a match with either you or
your mother. But I’ll let you know if I find more on that line.
Raquel Ruiz

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Juan Aguayo wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I’ve also used FamilyTreeDNA’s family finder. I had my mother tested as
> well so we are both in their system.
>
> I’ve shared my info with my prima Alicia Carrillo, but I’ll share here as
> well.
>
> I’m 33% Native Mexican, 55% European, and 12% North African. The family
> finder gave me a list of about 40 distant relatives with strands of DNA
> matches.
>
> The more interesting part of this email chain is that I have a hunch that
> Raquel and I are related via the Aguirre’s from Nochistlan. My paternal
> grandfather’s maternal side of the family is Aguirre. I have Nicolas
> Aguirre Yanes married to Maria Felipa Contreas Gonsales on May 20, 1740.
> Nicolas’s parents are listed as Antonio de Aguirre and Francisca Yanes. I
> wonder if this is the same Antonio Aguirre in Raquel’s tree????
>
> Nicolas and Maria Felipa are my 5ggpts.
>
> I still have some contacts from the Aguirre’s from Nochistlan and one day
> hope to get a y-DNA test on these Aguirres.
>
> Saludos,
> Juan Aguayo
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Alice Blake wrote:
>
> > Hello Raquel,
> > How interesting! As you can see, I don’t have a vast knowledge of DNA
> > analysis as to what can be learned and what is usable to further
> > personal genealogical research. I suppose I’m overly cautious because of
> > the costs involved. So you are given matches based on common DNA, but
> not
> > necesarily the ancestor through whom you are related. At that point I
> > imagine one would exchange genealogical information. That can certainly
> > makes this a very small but exiciting world.
> > Again, thank you so much, Alice
> >
> > — On Wed, 9/26/12, Raquel Ruiz wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Raquel Ruiz
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Date: Wednesday, September 26, 2012, 11:16 PM
> >
> >
> > Alice, As I indicated, I have not put any concerted effort in using the
> > family finder matches yet–it on my “to do” list for retirement. I’ve
> > identified a few matches with people from fellow NR members, which
> expanded
> > my list of ancestor’s siblings. I’ve had some contact from matches not
> in
> > my Jalisco line, but either they or I have not collected enough
> > genealogical information to identify our shared ancestor yet. That may
> > come in the future. I and an HRV2 but not Full Sequence match did use
> the
> > FF to confirm that we will not be able to identify our shared ancestor.
> > She is the only match for my father’s Haplogroup C. But we still enjoy
> > calling each other “cousin”.
> > Raquel Ruiz
> > — — — — — — — — — — — — —
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > — — — — — — — — — — — — —
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >

Posted : 28/09/2012 1:15 am

alicebb

(@alicebb)

Posts: 454

Hello,
This is all so interesting, I’m a bit confused. The Family Finder states, “Due to the nature of autosomal DNA, the test does not specify from which branch of your family tree your matches or the percentages of your geographic heritage derive.”  I understand that to mean you were given the total percentages of ethnic groups that is your individual ethinic makeup, but not the breakdown as to what percentage of which group is from your maternal or parternal side?   If you are 33% native american, is that totally from one side, or 20% maternal, 13% paternal?
As interested as I am in all of this, I must find the most useful info for my limited budget. If I were to go for the YDNA-mtDNA Plus $299. and the Family Finder $289. The $558. total cost is prohibitive for me. Someone mentioned occasional price reductions. I hope to come across one in the near future. I’m one of four siblings, one male, three female and would like to consider this as a Christmas gift for the family.
Thank you so much for all the feedback. It has been extremely useful.    Alice

Thanks so much,   Alice

— On Thu, 9/27/12, Juan Aguayo wrote:

From: Juan Aguayo
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, September 27, 2012, 9:43 PM

Hi Alice,

The Family Finder product (autosomal test) gives you your ethnic breakdown.

YDNA 37-mtDNA Plus will only give you your paternal and maternal DNA info.

My mtDNA Haplogroup is A
My YDNA is Haplogroup is G2a3b1a2

I hope this helps,

Juan

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

Posted : 28/09/2012 1:30 am

jcaguayo

(@jcaguayo)

Posts: 55

Trusted Member

Hi Pat,

Yes I believe your husband Florentino and I have an Aguirre link!

We’re talking about the same couple of Nicolas de Aguirre and Maria Phelipa
Contreras.

I’ll email you separately to discuss further. I’m interested in seeing your
husbands tree. I know that the Aguirres lived in and around La Villita,
Nochistlan.

Saludos,

Juan Aguayo

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

>
> Hello Juan,
>
> I found the marriage record for Nicolas de Aguirre and Maria Phelipa
> Contrera, it’s located online at this address
> Mexico, Catholic Church Records
> Zacatecas
> Nochistlán
> Nochistlán, Zacatecas
> Matrimonios 1736-1762
> 214 Image of 630 (it continues top of image 215)
>
> Do you agre there is a link with your Aguirre family and that of my
> husband Florentino L Corbera (Tino) ?
>
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Tracy CA
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Pat Corbera”
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:41:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing – Possible Linking w/
> Juan Aguayo and Florentino L Corbera
>
> Hello Juan,
>
> My husband, Florentino L. Corbera (Tino) has had his 67 marker YDNA tested
> with results placing him in Haplogroup Q1a3a (Native American), his mtDNA
> HVR1 & HVR2 results Haplogroup A (also Native American).
>
> Tino has not taken the autosomal test, I was waiting to gather more
> information on what inforamtion that test would provide, plus also waiting
> for a possible price reduction.
>
> Tino also links with a Nicolas Aguirre, who married on 20 May 1744 to
> Maria Phelipa Gonzalez Contreras all from Nochistlan. I have the year as
> 1744 you have 1740, I’ll try and locate a record online… Nicolas and
> Phelipa are Tino’s 4th Great-Grandparents.
>
> I do not have Nicolas’ parent’s names. Phelips’s parents are Juan de
> Contreras y Melchora Losano Gonzalez.
>
> Nicolas and Phelipa’s two sons are both Tino’s 3rd Great-Grandfathers:
> son(1) – Joseph Joaquin Aguirre is his maternal paternal direct line and
> son(2) Joseph Leonicio Contreras Aguirre is his maternal direct line.
>
> It’s my understanding that only individuals that have been autosomal
> tested will make hits on the print out that you referenced… Apparently
> YDNA and mtDNA test area differ from that of the autosomal.
>
> It would be very interesting if Tino’s name appears on your autosomal test
> results print out.
>
> I believe that I have included the above noted individuals in my GEDCOM
> that is posted on NR…if not just let me know and I’ll share with you what
> I do have…
>
> How are you related to Alicia? I do not have an Antonio de Aguirre in my
> file, would be nice if we could actually link with Raquel that would be a
> “huge find.”
>
> to be continued:
>
> Patricia J. Silva Corbera
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Tracy,CA.
>
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Juan Aguayo”
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:04:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
>
> Hi,
>
> I’ve also used FamilyTreeDNA’s family finder. I had my mother tested as
> well so we are both in their system.
>
> I’ve shared my info with my prima Alicia Carrillo, but I’ll share here as
> well.
>
> I’m 33% Native Mexican, 55% European, and 12% North African. The family
> finder gave me a list of about 40 distant relatives with strands of DNA
> matches.
>
> The more interesting part of this email chain is that I have a hunch that
> Raquel and I are related via the Aguirre’s from Nochistlan. My paternal
> grandfather’s maternal side of the family is Aguirre. I have Nicolas
> Aguirre Yanes married to Maria Felipa Contreas Gonsales on May 20, 1740.
> Nicolas’s parents are listed as Antonio de Aguirre and Francisca Yanes. I
> wonder if this is the same Antonio Aguirre in Raquel’s tree????
>
> Nicolas and Maria Felipa are my 5ggpts.
>
> I still have some contacts from the Aguirre’s from Nochistlan and one day
> hope to get a y-DNA test on these Aguirres.
>
> Saludos,
> Juan Aguayo
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Alice Blake wrote:
>
> > Hello Raquel,
> > How interesting! As you can see, I don’t have a vast knowledge of DNA
> > analysis as to what can be learned and what is usable to further
> > personal genealogical research. I suppose I’m overly cautious because of
> > the costs involved. So you are given matches based on common DNA, but
> not
> > necesarily the ancestor through whom you are related. At that point I
> > imagine one would exchange genealogical information. That can certainly
> > makes this a very small but exiciting world.
> > Again, thank you so much, Alice
> >
> > — On Wed, 9/26/12, Raquel Ruiz wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Raquel Ruiz
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Date: Wednesday, September 26, 2012, 11:16 PM
> >
> >
> > Alice, As I indicated, I have not put any concerted effort in using the
> > family finder matches yet–it on my “to do” list for retirement. I’ve
> > identified a few matches with people from fellow NR members, which
> expanded
> > my list of ancestor’s siblings. I’ve had some contact from matches not
> in
> > my Jalisco line, but either they or I have not collected enough
> > genealogical information to identify our shared ancestor yet. That may
> > come in the future. I and an HRV2 but not Full Sequence match did use
> the
> > FF to confirm that we will not be able to identify our shared ancestor.
> > She is the only match for my father’s Haplogroup C. But we still enjoy
> > calling each other “cousin”.
> > Raquel Ruiz
> > — — — — — — — — — — — — —
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/>
> > — — — — — — — — — — — — —
> >

Posted : 28/09/2012 4:45 pm

Pat Silva Corbera

(@pat-silva-corbera)

Posts: 488

Topic starter

Hello Juan,

I anxiously await hearing from you…

Tino’s mother was from Rancho Jobonera, Nochistlan.

I ordered the autosomal/FamilyFinder test today from FamilyTreeDNA…

Patricia (Pat)J. Silva Corbera
Florentino L Corbera
Tracy CA

—– Original Message —–
From: “Juan Aguayo”
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 9:29:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing – Possible Linking w/ Juan Aguayo and Florentino L Corbera

Hi Pat,

Yes I believe your husband Florentino and I have an Aguirre link!

We’re talking about the same couple of Nicolas de Aguirre and Maria Phelipa
Contreras.

I’ll email you separately to discuss further. I’m interested in seeing your
husbands tree. I know that the Aguirres lived in and around La Villita,
Nochistlan.

Saludos,

Juan Aguayo

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

Posted : 28/09/2012 7:30 pm

alicebb

(@alicebb)

Posts: 454

— On Fri, 9/28/12, Alice Blake wrote:

From: Alice Blake
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, September 28, 2012, 1:17 AM

Hello Group Members,

I’m so happy to see that the DNA testing is on sale and brings it into the realm of my reality. I’d still like to hear from someone that has used Family Finder to clarify something for me.
The Family Finder states, “Due to the nature of autosomal DNA, the test does not specify from which branch of your family tree your matches or the percentages of your geographic heritage derive.” I understand that to mean you are given the total percentages of ethnic groups that is your individual ethinic makeup, but not the breakdown as to what percentage of the group is from your maternal or parternal side? If you are found to be 33% native american, are you told that it is totally from one side, or 20% maternal and 13% paternal or are you left to speculate?

Thank you so much for all the feedback. It has been extremely useful. Alice

Thanks so much, Alice

— On Thu, 9/27/12, Juan Aguayo wrote:

From: Juan Aguayo
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, September 27, 2012, 9:43 PM

Hi Alice,

The Family Finder product (autosomal test) gives you your ethnic breakdown.

YDNA 37-mtDNA Plus will only give you your paternal and maternal DNA info.

My mtDNA Haplogroup is A
My YDNA is Haplogroup is G2a3b1a2

I hope this helps,

Juan

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

Posted : 28/09/2012 9:45 pm

Armando

(@armando)

Posts: 741

Prominent Member

Hello Alice,

You are left to speculate. Apart from that if your Spanish ancestors had
even 2% of Asian ancestry you won’t know if that 2% is from them or from
Amerindian ancestry. The same goes for any of the other ethnic breakdowns
because Spaniards are mixed with lots of ethnic groups. You can see a color
coded image of their breakdown in the following images taken from
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/

I am still going to try and get an uncle to test so I know my breakdown
from my father’s side. However, I won’t know what percentage of each ethnic
group is from my paternal grandfather and what percent is from my paternal
grandmother. I will only be able to speculate based on documentation I have
been able to find.

Regards,
Armando

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

>
>
> — On Fri, 9/28/12, Alice Blake wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Alice Blake
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Friday, September 28, 2012, 1:17 AM
>
>
> Hello Group Members,
>
> I’m so happy to see that the DNA testing is on sale and brings it into the
> realm of my reality. I’d still like to hear from someone that has used
> Family Finder to clarify something for me.
> The Family Finder states, “Due to the nature of autosomal DNA, the test
> does not specify from which branch of your family tree your matches or the
> percentages of your geographic heritage derive.” I understand that to
> mean you are given the total percentages of ethnic groups that is your
> individual ethinic makeup, but not the breakdown as to what
> percentage of the group is from your maternal or parternal side? If you
> are found to be 33% native american, are you told that it is totally from
> one side, or 20% maternal and 13% paternal or are you left to speculate?
>
> Thank you so much for all the feedback. It has been extremely useful.
> Alice
>
>
>
> Thanks so much, Alice
>
>

Posted : 28/09/2012 10:30 pm

Pat Silva Corbera

(@pat-silva-corbera)

Posts: 488

Topic starter

Papagaia’s Journey of Discovery

Hi Pat,

Yes I believe your husband Florentino and I have an Aguirre link!

We’re talking about the same couple of Nicolas de Aguirre and Maria Phelipa
Contreras.

I’ll email you separately to discuss further. I’m interested in seeing your
husbands tree. I know that the Aguirres lived in and around La Villita,
Nochistlan.

Saludos,

Juan Aguayo

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

>
> Hello Juan,
>
> I found the marriage record for Nicolas de Aguirre and Maria Phelipa
> Contreras, it’s located online at this address
> Mexico, Catholic Church Records
> Zacatecas
> Nochistlán
> Nochistlán, Zacatecas
> Matrimonios 1736-1762
> 214 Image of 630 (it continues top of image 215)
>
> Do you agree there is a link with your Aguirre family and that of my
> husband Florentino L Corbera (Tino) ?
>
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Tracy CA
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Pat Corbera”
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:41:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing – Possible Linking w/
> Juan Aguayo and Florentino L Corbera
>
> Hello Juan,
>
> My husband, Florentino L. Corbera (Tino) has had his 67 marker YDNA tested
> with results placing him in Haplogroup Q1a3a (Native American), his mtDNA
> HVR1 & HVR2 results Haplogroup A (also Native American).
>
> Tino has not taken the autosomal test, I was waiting to gather more
> information on what inforamtion that test would provide, plus also waiting
> for a possible price reduction.
>
> Tino also links with a Nicolas Aguirre, who married on 20 May 1744 to
> Maria Phelipa Gonzalez Contreras all from Nochistlan. I have the year as
> 1744 you have 1740, I’ll try and locate a record online… Nicolas and
> Phelipa are Tino’s 4th Great-Grandparents.
>
> I do not have Nicolas’ parent’s names. Phelips’s parents are Juan de
> Contreras y Melchora Losano Gonzalez.
>
> Nicolas and Phelipa’s two sons are both Tino’s 3rd Great-Grandfathers:
> son(1) – Joseph Joaquin Aguirre is his maternal paternal direct line and
> son(2) Joseph Leonicio Contreras Aguirre is his maternal direct line.
>
> It’s my understanding that only individuals that have been autosomal
> tested will make hits on the print out that you referenced… Apparently
> YDNA and mtDNA test area differ from that of the autosomal.
>
> It would be very interesting if Tino’s name appears on your autosomal test
> results print out.
>
> I believe that I have included the above noted individuals in my GEDCOM
> that is posted on NR…if not just let me know and I’ll share with you what
> I do have…
>
> How are you related to Alicia? I do not have an Antonio de Aguirre in my
> file, would be nice if we could actually link with Raquel that would be a
> “huge find.”
>
> to be continued:
>
> Patricia J. Silva Corbera
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Tracy,CA.
>
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Juan Aguayo”
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:04:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
>
> Hi,
>
> I’ve also used FamilyTreeDNA’s family finder. I had my mother tested as
> well so we are both in their system.
>
> I’ve shared my info with my prima Alicia Carrillo, but I’ll share here as
> well.
>
> I’m 33% Native Mexican, 55% European, and 12% North African. The family
> finder gave me a list of about 40 distant relatives with strands of DNA
> matches.
>
> The more interesting part of this email chain is that I have a hunch that
> Raquel and I are related via the Aguirre’s from Nochistlan. My paternal
> grandfather’s maternal side of the family is Aguirre. I have Nicolas
> Aguirre Yanes married to Maria Felipa Contreas Gonsales on May 20, 1740.
> Nicolas’s parents are listed as Antonio de Aguirre and Francisca Yanes. I
> wonder if this is the same Antonio Aguirre in Raquel’s tree????
>
> Nicolas and Maria Felipa are my 5ggpts.
>
> I still have some contacts from the Aguirre’s from Nochistlan and one day
> hope to get a y-DNA test on these Aguirres.
>
> Saludos,
> Juan Aguayo
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Alice Blake wrote:
>
> > Hello Raquel,
> > How interesting! As you can see, I don’t have a vast knowledge of DNA
> > analysis as to what can be learned and what is usable to further
> > personal genealogical research. I suppose I’m overly cautious because of
> > the costs involved. So you are given matches based on common DNA, but
> not
> > necesarily the ancestor through whom you are related. At that point I
> > imagine one would exchange genealogical information. That can certainly
> > makes this a very small but exiciting world.
> > Again, thank you so much, Alice
> >
> > — On Wed, 9/26/12, Raquel Ruiz wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Raquel Ruiz
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Date: Wednesday, September 26, 2012, 11:16 PM
> >
> >
> > Alice, As I indicated, I have not put any concerted effort in using the
> > family finder matches yet–it on my “to do” list for retirement. I’ve
> > identified a few matches with people from fellow NR members, which
> expanded
> > my list of ancestor’s siblings. I’ve had some contact from matches not
> in
> > my Jalisco line, but either they or I have not collected enough
> > genealogical information to identify our shared ancestor yet. That may
> > come in the future. I and an HRV2 but not Full Sequence match did use
> the
> > FF to confirm that we will not be able to identify our shared ancestor.
> > She is the only match for my father’s Haplogroup C. But we still enjoy
> > calling each other “cousin”.
> > Raquel Ruiz
> > — — — — — — — — — — — — —
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/>
> > — — — — — — — — — — — — —
> >

Posted : 29/09/2012 12:15 am

Pat Silva Corbera

(@pat-silva-corbera)

Posts: 488

Topic starter

Sorry, I didn’t mean to re-send this posting exchange…Disregard…

Thank you,
Pat Silva Corbera

—– Original Message —–
From: “Pat Corbera”
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 4:56:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing – Possible Linking w/ Juan Aguayo and Florentino L Corbera

Papagaia’s Journey of Discovery

Hi Pat,

Yes I believe your husband Florentino and I have an Aguirre link!

We’re talking about the same couple of Nicolas de Aguirre and Maria Phelipa
Contreras.

I’ll email you separately to discuss further. I’m interested in seeing your
husbands tree. I know that the Aguirres lived in and around La Villita,
Nochistlan.

Saludos,

Juan Aguayo

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

Posted : 29/09/2012 12:15 am

oldcar53

(@oldcar53)

Posts: 776

Primo Juan,

Let’s throw another possible link, my husband Juan Carrillo has some Aguirre lines that I haven’t had the time to explore, also from Nochistlan.

Alicia

________________________________
From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing – Possible Linking w/ Juan Aguayo and Florentino L Corbera

Papagaia’s Journey of Discovery

Hi Pat,

Yes I believe your husband Florentino and I have an Aguirre link!

We’re talking about the same couple of Nicolas de Aguirre and Maria Phelipa
Contreras.

I’ll email you separately to discuss further. I’m interested in seeing your
husbands tree. I know that the Aguirres lived in and around La Villita,
Nochistlan.

Saludos,

Juan Aguayo

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

Posted : 29/09/2012 1:30 am

alicebb

(@alicebb)

Posts: 454

Greetings Armando,
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
You’ve answered my question with info to build on. This scenario demonstrates how important individual genealogy research complements the DNA data. This will be my first DNA test (actually my brother will be the subject), would you recommend the Family Finder as a good start? I really would like data from both my paternal and maternal lines. Thanks again, Alice

— On Fri, 9/28/12, Armando wrote:

From: Armando
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Autosomal Testing
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, September 28, 2012, 10:21 PM

Hello Alice,

Regards,
Armando

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

Posted : 29/09/2012 2:00 am

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