At the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society conference held March 6, 2010, they had a “brick wall” demo family tree with paper cut-out leaves on it.
At the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society conference held March 6, 2010, they had a “brick wall” demo family tree with paper cut-out leaves on it. The idea was that a member could write down on a paper leaf his/her “brick wall” in his own genealogy research and perhaps someone else would choose his/her leaf and help break through it. I think it’s a great concept, except that it might’ve been better to let any and all choose the same leaf.
My question is this: since we already experience daily with questions from various members, why couldn’t each of us create a file/folder listing our own “brick walls” in it? These files could stay permanent and updated as needed.
Perhaps other members could browse through these files and find one that they could tackle and help break through it? In addition to periodic inquiries of our members, this might prove to be a good challenge for our own genalogists that love mysteries?
Just a thought.
Joseph de Leon
This is a wonderful Idea!!!!
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Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:26 PM
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] “brick walls”
> At the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society conference held March 6, 2010,
> they had a “brick wall” demo family tree with paper cut-out leaves on it.
> The idea was that a member could write down on a paper leaf his/her “brick
> wall” in his own genealogy research and perhaps someone else would choose
> his/her leaf and help break through it. I think it’s a great concept,
> except that it might’ve been better to let any and all choose the same
> leaf.
> My question is this: since we already experience daily with questions
> from various members, why couldn’t each of us create a file/folder listing
> our own “brick walls” in it? These files could stay permanent and updated
> as needed.
>
> Perhaps other members could browse through these files and find one that
> they could tackle and help break through it? In addition to periodic
> inquiries of our members, this might prove to be a good challenge for our
> own genalogists that love mysteries?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Joseph de Leon
I think it is a great idea.
About 15 years ago a had a brick wall on my gutierrez line. I stopped working on it to help a friend with his gemnealogy. After I helped him with his I realized that the diego gutierrez I had helped him with was the same miguel gutierrez that I had been looking for and that his name was diego Miguel Gutierrez. Diego miguel had 2 marriages and I descended from one and he from the other. It was only by helping him out that I found the line that I had been looking for.
Count me in.
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At the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society conference held March 6, 2010, they had a “brick wall” demo family tree with paper cut-out leaves on it. The idea was that a member could write down on a paper leaf his/her “brick wall” in his own genealogy research and perhaps someone else would choose his/her leaf and help break through it. I think it’s a great concept, except that it might’ve been better to let any and all choose the same leaf.
My question is this: since we already experience daily with questions from various members, why couldn’t each of us create a file/folder listing our own “brick walls” in it? These files could stay permanent and updated as needed.
Perhaps other members could browse through these files and find one that they could tackle and help break through it? In addition to periodic inquiries of our members, this might prove to be a good challenge for our own genalogists that love mysteries?
Just a thought.
Joseph de Leon
I’m going to add/update other “brick walls” to this note.
I need help on finding Eugenio, Cleta, and Micaela’s parents: It’s possible that Cleta and Micaela were sisters because when a person was widowed, it was a common practice to marry a sibling of the deceased spouse. In this way, family real estate/ fortunes were kept uncontested.
Outline Descendant Report for Eugenio Carlos
….. 1 Eugenio Carlos b: Abt. 1760 in District Of Jerez, Zacatecas Mexico
….. + Cleta Garcia b: Abt. 1770 in District Of Jerez Zacatecas Mexico
……….. 2 Jose Jesus Carlos b: Abt. 1790 in Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico
……….. + Matiana Rafaela (Maria) Alcala b: 21 Sep 1798 in Cienega De Arriva, Jerez Zacatecas
Mexico
……….. 2 Pedro Carlos b: Abt. 1785 in District Of Jerez, Zacatecas Mexico
……….. + Juana Maria Banuelos b: Abt. 1788 in District Of Jerez, Zacatecas Mexico
….. + Micaela Garcia b: Abt. 1790 in District Of Jerez, Zacatecas Mexico
……….. 2 Estevan Carlos b: Abt. 1790 in District Of Jerez, Zacatecas Mexico, d: Bef. 04 May 1868
……….. + Micaela Borrego b: Abt. 1800 in District Of Jerez, Zacatecas Mexico
Jose Carlos de Leon
Another one: I need help on finding parents for Pedro and Maria.
Outline Descendant Report for Pedro Montoya
….. 1 Pedro Montoya b: Abt. 1790
….. + Maria Magdalena Ayala b: Abt. 1790, m: 14 Aug 1810 in Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico
……….. 2 Rosalia Montoya b: Abt. 1816
……….. + Josse Catarino Covarrubias b: 01 Dec 1816 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico, m: 21 Jan
1836 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
……….. 2 Ma. de la Consepcion Montoya b: 01 Jan 1818 in Huejucar, Jalisco, Mexico
……….. 2 Ma. Leandra Montoya b: 03 Mar 1822 in San Luis Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
……….. 2 Jose Concepcion de la Santisima Montoya b: 12 Dec 1823 in San Luis Colotlan, Jalisco,
Mexico
Jose Carlos de Leon
MY BIGGEST CHALLENGE YET:
Francisco de la Cruz is my 7th great grandfather and his son Manuel (a mestizo)is the “first” DE LEON and Josepa de Escobedo ( an Espanola), great grandaughter of Francisco de Escobedo, founder of Monte Escobedo in Zacatecas. I need to know Francisco de la Cruz and Catalina de Garibai’s parents.
Outline Descendant Report for Francisco de la Cruz
….. 1 Francisco de la Cruz b: Abt. 1650, d:
….. + Catalina de Garibai b: Abt. 1650, d: Bef. 1753
……….. 2 Manuel de Leon b: Abt. 1671
……….. + Josepha de Escovedo b: Abt. 1671, m: 19 Feb 1692 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,
Zacatecas Mexico, d: Bef. 1753
…………….. 3 Ygnacia de Leon b: Abt. 1702 in Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, Mexico, d: Bef. 1768
…………….. + Cristobal Valenzuela b: Abt. 1700 in Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, Mexico, m: 12 Feb 1722 in
San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
…………….. 3 Maria de la Cruz de Leon b: Abt. 1711
…………….. + Cristobal Lozano b: Abt. 1711, m: 20 May 1731 in Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
…………….. 3 Manuel de Leon b: Abt. 1715 in Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
…………….. + Margarita Chaves Mayorga b: Abt. 1720 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico, m: 30 May
1740 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico, d: Bef. 1787
…………….. 3 Acencio de Aquino de Leon b: Jun 1719 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
…………….. 3 Bartholome de Leon b: Sep 1728 in San Luis Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
…………….. + Juana Maria Manuela Lopez b: Abt. 1728, m: 17 Jul 1747 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco,
Mexico
…………….. 3 Francisco Xavier de Leon b: Abt. 1734
…………….. + Francisca Mayorga b: Abt. 1734
Jose Carlos de Leon
Another of my “brick walls”; as my primo, Arturo Ramos, once stated to me 2 years ago, “Welcome to my world!”.
I hope this clarifies my original post!
I need help on who Antonio Lopez and Michaela de Robles parents were.
Outline Descendant Report for Antto. Lopez
….. 1 Antonio Lopez b: Abt. 1700
….. + Michaela de Robles b: Abt. 1700
……….. 2 Juana Maria Manuela Lopez b: Abt. 1728
……….. + Bartholome de Leon b: Sep 1728 in San Luis Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico, m: 17 Jul 1747 in San
Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
…………….. 3 Joseph de Leon b: Feb 1748 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
…………….. 3 Faustina Francisca de Leon b: 1749
…………….. 3 Petra Maria de Leon b: May 1750 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
…………….. 3 Margarita Gertrudis de Leon b: 1755
…………….. + Bernardo Anto. Medeles b: Abt. 1752, m: 21 Jun 1775 in San Luis Colotlan, Jalisco,
Mexico
…………….. 3 Jose Manuel Chrisogono de Leon b: Abt. 1756
…………….. + Maria Franca. Henrriqz. b: Abt. 1756, m: 30 Jul 1776 in San Luis Colotlan, Jalisco,
Mexico
…………….. 3 Maria Anta. de Leon b: Abt. 1757
…………….. + Anto. Crecencio Palafox b: Abt. 1757, m: 18 Feb 1777 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco,
Mexico
…………….. 3 Gregoria Guadalupe Ramona de Leon b: Jan 1758 in Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
…………….. 3 Lorenza Antonia de Leon b: Aug 1760 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
…………….. 3 Ma. Guadalupe de Leon b: Abt. 1761
…………….. + Jose de Leon b: Abt. 1761, m: 17 Jan 1781 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
…………….. 3 Bartholo de Leon b: 1762
…………….. 3 Phelis de Sanctiago de Leon b: Sep 1765 in Huejucar, Jalisco, Mexico
…………….. + Antta. Madera b: Abt. 1765, m: 12 Jan 1785 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
…………….. 3 JOPH. PHELIS de Leon b: Jun 1767 in Huejucar, Jalisco, Mexico
…………….. + Rita Quiteria Torres b: Abt. 1767, m: 28 Oct 1786 in San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
…………….. 3 JUN. JPH. MANL. de Leon b: Feb 1770 in Huejucar, Jalisco, Mexico
Jose Carlos de Leon
Great Idea!!
Let’s all contribute our ‘Brick Walls’
Phyls Esparza
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Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 6:26 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] “brick walls”
> At the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society conference held March 6, 2010, they had a “brick wall” demo family tree with paper cut-out leaves on it. The idea was that a member could write down on a paper leaf his/her “brick wall” in his own genealogy research and perhaps someone else would choose his/her leaf and help break through it. I think it’s a great concept, except that it might’ve been better to let any and all choose the same leaf.
>
> My question is this: since we already experience daily with questions from various members, why couldn’t each of us create a file/folder listing our own “brick walls” in it? These files could stay permanent and updated as needed.
>
> Perhaps other members could browse through these files and find one that they could tackle and help break through it? In addition to periodic inquiries of our members, this might prove to be a good challenge for our own genalogists that love mysteries?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Joseph de Leon
Great Idea!!
Let’s all contribute our ‘Brick Walls’
Phyls Esparza
—– Original Message —–
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 6:26 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] “brick walls”
> At the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society conference held March 6, 2010, they had a “brick wall” demo family tree with paper cut-out leaves on it. The idea was that a member could write down on a paper leaf his/her “brick wall” in his own genealogy research and perhaps someone else would choose his/her leaf and help break through it. I think it’s a great concept, except that it might’ve been better to let any and all choose the same leaf.
>
> My question is this: since we already experience daily with questions from various members, why couldn’t each of us create a file/folder listing our own “brick walls” in it? These files could stay permanent and updated as needed.
>
> Perhaps other members could browse through these files and find one that they could tackle and help break through it? In addition to periodic inquiries of our members, this might prove to be a good challenge for our own genalogists that love mysteries?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Joseph de Leon
I thought I’d add my “brick wall” to this board in hope of learning something new. I have been able to trace my father’s family (Mora) using films at the FHC to Pedro de la Mora and his wife Antonia Martin del Campo. He is the father of Jph. Raphael de la Mora according to the marriage record of Raphael to Ma. Nicolasa Delgado on 8 Feb 1796 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. He was 22, so his birth was about 1776, 2 years before films for this area are available.
I may have some leads for more family members. Rafael (spelling now changes in records) and Nicolaza have a son, Jose Leandro Mora Delgado and he is baptized on 12 Mar 1797. The Padrinos (Godparents)are: Antonio de la Mora and Chatarina Berdin (also Verdin). I found their marriage certificate as well as some of their children and many of the Padrinos of their children as well as other “de la Mora”‘s are shared. (I will gladly share all this information with anyone who can help but I will spare the majority as it just gets more confusing.)
Antonio’s parents are: Santiago de la Mora and Gertrudis Peres (1st wife).
Santiago’s parents are: Jph. Manuel de la Mora and Ma. Anna Romo
There was a Bernabe Romo de Vivar who was a witness for the marriage of Rafael to Nicolaza.
Through an IGI search, I just found marriage records for Antonia Martin del Campo to Pedro de la Mora Hurtado 7 Jan 1752 Nuestra Senora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco as well as Jph. Manuel de la Mora to Ana Romo de Vivar, 7 Oct 1730 Nuestra Senora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco.
I plan on ordering the films, however, marriage records won’t tell me who their children are and how they’re related. I know there must to be a link I just don’t know how to find it. I have put a register report for Pedro de la Mora in my file which is my guess of the relationship of Pedro to the rest of the de la Mora’s for what was stated above and includes the names of Godparents when available. I am VERY unsure of generation 1 and their link to generation 2; but from generation 2 on, the information is accurate with source citations. I just don’t want mislead anyone who may share this tree.
Any suggestions on how to piece this together?
Also, family lore is that the Mora line is from Catalunya, Spain however it is not known when they first emigrated.
Any help would be MUCH appreciated!
Sherri Mora
I’m not clear whether you looked at IGI data for film #634019 via batch #s
J602485 & K602485. A quick scan on my part didn’t turn up anything, but you
may have more luck scanning it for unusual spellings of the surnames. Good
luck. -Raquel
I have a juan de la mora hermosillo married to margarita Martin del campo from the same time in my records.
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Submitting my “brick wall”
I thought I’d add my “brick wall” to this board in hope of learning something new. I have been able to trace my father’s family (Mora) using films at the FHC to Pedro de la Mora and his wife Antonia Martin del Campo. He is the father of Jph. Raphael de la Mora according to the marriage record of Raphael to Ma. Nicolasa Delgado on 8 Feb 1796 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. He was 22, so his birth was about 1776, 2 years before films for this area are available.
I may have some leads for more family members. Rafael (spelling now changes in records) and Nicolaza have a son, Jose Leandro Mora Delgado and he is baptized on 12 Mar 1797. The Padrinos (Godparents)are: Antonio de la Mora and Chatarina Berdin (also Verdin). I found their marriage certificate as well as some of their children and many of the Padrinos of their children as well as other “de la Mora”‘s are shared. (I will gladly share all this information with anyone who can help but I will spare the majority as it just gets more confusing.)
Antonio’s parents are: Santiago de la Mora and Gertrudis Peres (1st wife).
Santiago’s parents are: Jph. Manuel de la Mora and Ma. Anna Romo
There was a Bernabe Romo de Vivar who was a witness for the marriage of Rafael to Nicolaza.
Through an IGI search, I just found marriage records for Antonia Martin del Campo to Pedro de la Mora Hurtado 7 Jan 1752 Nuestra Senora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco as well as Jph. Manuel de la Mora to Ana Romo de Vivar, 7 Oct 1730 Nuestra Senora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco.
I plan on ordering the films, however, marriage records won’t tell me who their children are and how they’re related. I know there must to be a link I just don’t know how to find it. I have put a register report for Pedro de la Mora in my file which is my guess of the relationship of Pedro to the rest of the de la Mora’s for what was stated above and includes the names of Godparents when available. I am VERY unsure of generation 1 and their link to generation 2; but from generation 2 on, the information is accurate with source citations. I just don’t want mislead anyone who may share this tree.
Any suggestions on how to piece this together?
Also, family lore is that the Mora line is from Catalunya, Spain however it is not known when they first emigrated.
Any help would be MUCH appreciated!
Sherri Mora
Thanks Raquel. The information that I have is from searching IGI data and then viewing films. The only films I have not yet seen are from Teocaltiche. I’ve only been doing genealogy for a little over a year so I guess I’m asking if there are other resources in addition to IGI and films. Also what is the difference between a film number and a batch number? Can a film have more than one batch number or vice versa? I looked on the familysearch.org site and I’m still unsure. Thanks again for your response.
Sherri Mora
Dear Sherri:
I was online, so thought I would step in and try to explain. The LDS has over 300,000 films. The film number is the number used to order a particular film. All films have a film number, sort of like the call numbers on books in the library.
Some of the films have been extracted into on online database, which is search-able. So while all films have film numbers for which you are able order, only certain films have been extracted, and part of the information on the records are available online. The LDS members are constantly adding new batches. If a film has a batch number, then you may go onto the familysearch.org website and search that film, person by person if you wish. If an ancestor does not come up for you in familysearch, it does not mean the records are not available, it just means their records have not been batched or the entry was made with an alternative spelling. Sometimes it pays off to go through the batch by hand. Sometimes it pays off to order a film that has not been batched. Batched films save a lot of time and money for you, but the batches sometimes have errors and omissions.
Now here is the tricky part. The LDS does not have a list of batch numbers for films which have been extracted that they publish, as far as I am aware. But very, very good Samaritans on this website have put together a list of films that are batched. This list is also updated, as we become aware of films being batched. It is under the “Films” tab at the top. So if you notice a film that does have a batch, that is not listed under Films in Nuestros, please add it.
Hope I did an ok job of explaining. Does anyone have anything to add?
Maureen Bejar
It does appear to me that each film is associated with one batch number.
Batch numbers are what you can use to access a list of the records extracted
from the film. Ideally, it should include all the entries on the film. You
can access the complete list by either going to our website and clicking
films, then locating the state, then city, then film number, and clinging
the IGI option. That will get you to the total list. That is useful
because there are often mulitple spellings of the same surname or extraction
errors in the spellings. Or you can note the batch number, go to
familysearch.org, click Search Records, click Advanced Search, click
International Genealogical Index (side bar), and complete the boxes. You
can just put the Region and Batch Number and you will get the whole list
again. If you only put in the Region, Batch Number and a surname, you will
get a list of extracts that have that surname listed as the first
surname. The more info you input, the more finite the search. Let me know
if I need to clarify. Good luck.
