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Calzada/Briones/Colunga in Fresnillo, Zacatecas

cwood1411 · 2009-01-08T10:48:00Z

Hello Everyone, Just registerd for the site and have spent a couple of days reviewing the lists. So excited about the possibility of finding my mothers family! Have spent many years researching my father's side, but didn't have much (and still don't) on my mom's side. So here goes: Hello Everyone, Just registerd for the site and have spent a couple of days reviewing the lists. So excited about the possibility of finding my mothers family! Have spent many years researching my father's side, but didn't have much (and still don't) on my mom's side. So here goes: Looking for the Calzada-Briones-Colunga family possibly in Fresnillo. They seemed to have moved quite a bit, but found the 1930 Mexico census that listed my grandmother and her parents in Santa Barbara, CHI, MX. The census listed my great grandparents as having been born in Zacatecas, no city listed. Just yesterday, I learned that they may have been from or lived in Fresnillo, Zacatecas, as this was the birth place of one of their children but not necessarily the city where my great grand parents were born, but it's a starting point! My mother's memory is not so good but this is the info I have so far and hoping to make a connection: Juan Briones-Colunga b. abt 1884 Zacatecas m. Josefa Calzada b. abt 1887 Zacatecas ch: 1. Filiberto/Alberto Colunga b. 1900 Fresnillo, Zacatecas d. 1989, buried Parral Cemetery, CHI, MX m. Isiidra (Ciri) L. Terrazas ch: Abigail, Savina, Genaro, Benedicto, Hiliberto, Concepcion, Ester 2. Federico Colunga b. abt 1910 CHI m. Justina Unknown 3. Refugia Colunga b. est 1913 4. Miguel Colunga b. abt 1912 5. Luis Colunga b. abt 1914 6. Erlinda/Hermelinda Colunga b. abt 1916 (my grandmother) d. abt 1940/41 m. Samuel Reyes-Marquez ch: 2 daughters 7. Rebeca Colunga b. abt 1918 m. Jesus Menarrez 8. Ambrosio Colunga b. abt 1923 d. abt 1941/42 9. Salvador 'Chava' Colunga b. abt 1926 From memory, my mother and her cousin say that an Enrique Colunga was either a son of Juan or a brother of Juan Colunga. Enrique was a governor of Guanajuato, very short term. Family lore says that Juan and son, Filiberto, rode with Pancho Villa and Filiberto was buried in the same cemetery as Pancho Villa. Juan Colunga and sons were wealthy entreprenuers holding occupations as 'Zapatero's', (shoemakers?) and they owned shoe stores. I have one family picture of my great grandparents and some of their children. My grandparents, Hermelinda and Samuel were divorced with two daughters. Samuel Marquez removed to El Paso, TX. Hermelinda died about one year after my mother was born and the two sisters were separated. They have only met once since then (1979). Last known, my Aunt was in Mexico City, but attempts to reach her have been unsuccesful. My grandfather made several attempts to regain custody of his two daughters, but the maternal uncles would run him out of town at each attempt. My grandfather was finally able to get my mother (long story about how this was done) when she was 15 and brought her to the US. He was not able to find her sister. Any help on this family would be greatly appreciated. Cathy

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mendezdetorres

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Hi Catherine,

This is good news, I wish you the best on your search. You will learn things about your family that may have been lost
in the midst of time as you study your family. I did a quick lookup. I found Juana Maria de la Asuncion Colunga
baptized 7 May 1807 in Capilla de la Santisima Trinidad, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico. She was born on 5 May 1807,
spaniard, born to Vicente Colunga and Guadalupe Rodriguez. Grandaughter of Juan Colunga and Gertrudis Quesada,
Gervasia Rodriguez. This probably means Guadalupe was a hija natural or born out of wedlock, since it does not mention
the maternal grandfather.

Your Colunga line may have came from San Luis Potosi, there was rapid movement between sites in SLP and Pinos.
I have noticed many times the scribes in these areas do no include the mother’s or bride’s las name, I had to search
in baptisms to find their last name. I tell you this because I found a Juan Paulin Colunga married to a Maria Gertrudis
on 12 Oct 1755 in San Francisco, Villa de Reyes, San Luis Potosi. You may want to order this record to see if they
are spanish. My Colunga Cortes line came from San Luis Potosi, precisley Villa de Reyes, so it looks we could
very well be related. My line was interesting because it included my Chavez Fragoso line traveling to San Luis Potosi
to marry a Colunga Cortes. These families were not that close geographically. You will probably end being descendant
of Joseph de Colunga Cortes and Isabel Mendez Paez.

In case you did not find this. Leocadio Briones and Josefa Macias married 7 Oct 1815 in San Matias, Pinos, record which I did not find
but you may want to search for it or the baptisms which could very well include grandparents’ names.

Guillermo Lugo and Maria de los Santos Salas were from San Luis Potosi from a nearby town named Charcas (I also have a line
going there from and to Pinos) They were married 30 Jul 1817 in Charcas, SLP son of Apolinario Lugo and Albina Rosalia Gomez, Gregoria Salas.

I hope I could be of service,

Daniel Méndez Camino

Posted : 05/07/2011 7:45 pm

Armando

(@armando)

Posts: 741

Prominent Member

Hello Catherine,

What used to be called Santa María de los Lagos is now called Lagos de
Moreno in honor of the insurgent Pedro Moreno. He was one of the first
people to fight for independence from Spain. It’s shortened form is simply
Lagos. A majority of my Mexican ancestors on my fathers side are from Lagos
and I still have a lot of close relatives there. I have been doing a lot of
research for the town so let me know if there is a family from Lagos you
want info on. I might be able to help.

As far the story of your ancestors being French it is probably from the myth
of the lost legion of French soldiers from Napoleon’s army during their
occupation of Mexico causing the people of Los Altos to have blond hair,
blue eyes, and white skin. This myth has become so widespread that people
repeat it as if it were factual truth. The myth is so common it caused Dr.
Mariano González Leal to write a chapter on disproving the myth in one of
his Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia.

Since I have started researching heavily in the past couple of years I have
learned many of the families that intermarried were from central and
northern Spain such as Lope Ruiz de Esparza was from Navarra, the González
de Hermosillo were from Burgos, Diego Romo de Vivar was likely from Vivar in
Burgos, Diego de Villaseñor y Tovar was from Burgos, Bartolome Martín del
Campo was from Revilla de Campos, Palencia, Castilla y León, Rubalcaba was
probably from that town of the same name in in Liérganes, Cantabría, Azuela
is a surname that originated in Burgos, Luebana is a Basque word and
surname, and so on. Nueva Galicia could as well have been named Nueva
Castilla. I descend from almost all of those families, as many of us do, and
it would explain why my grandfather’s brother, and many other people of Los
Altos, had blue eyes and light skin. There weren’t any French that created a
significant descendancy to be able to attribute the northern European
features to them. As far as our the European side, we are descendants of
Spaniards. As is most likely the case with other Jaliscience’s such as Saul
“El Canelo” Alvarez, Guillermo del Toro, and Javier “El Chicharo” Hernández
Gutiérrez (the father of Chicharito), .

Saludos,
Armando

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:09 PM, wrote:

> Catherine Wood
> Found my grandmothers bautismos, Hermelinda Colunga and her Padrinos were
> Crecencio Colunga and Serapia Briones! Finally have confirmation from
> Arturo’s lead in earlier email…Thank you Arturo. I found her in San
> Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas. The certificate says she was born in 1903, which
> is far different than what the 1930 census shows for her age while living
> in Santa Barbara, Chih., Now I can prove the following information:
> 1. Vicente Colunga m. Guadelupe Rodriguez
> 2. Juan Jose Colunga abt.1802 San Matias, Pinos m. 10 May 1826 Maria
> Dionicia Gallegos b. abt 1803,, daughter of Mariano Gallegos
> and Maria Victoriana Gutierrez of Pinos 3. Jose Crecencio Colunga bpt
> 23 Apr 1843 San Matias, Pinos m. Serapia Briones bpt 17 Nov 1844, daughter
> of Gregorio Briones and
> Maria Natividad Lugo (of Jose Leocadio Briones y Maria Josefa
> Valentina Macias and of Guillermo Lugo y Maria Salas)
> 4. Juan Briones Colunga bpt 2 Jan 1870 San Matias, Pinos m. Josefa
> Hernandez-Calzada.
> My mother and her cousins believe that one of these relatives was French.
> Not sure which one as they all sound spanish to me. My great grandfather,,
> Juan Briones Colunga was blond with blue eyes, but so are many spanish
> people.They are not sure if it is one of these families or one on the
> Hernandez-Calzada side (I have not researched much on that side….yet).
> Back to searching images! Thanks again Nuestrosranchos! — — — — —

Posted : 06/07/2011 11:30 am

nancasillas

(@nancasillas)

Posts: 25

Eminent Member

Interesting….with the family name I am researching Casillas Y Cabrera, the whole family keeps asking me where is the “French Connection”, because our Grandfather and a few a unts were blond haired and blue-eyed from Jalostotitlan, and I keep telling them I have found nothing like that so far. No French connection, but any European country has folks who are also fair , with blond hair and blue eyes. My father’s family who are entirely French, all the way back in our ancestry, are mostly dark haired and dark eyed, but he had one blond sister as well.

Nancy Casillas

Saint Clair, Michgian

—– Original Message —–

From: “Armando”
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 7:22:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Briones-Colunga

Hello Catherine,

Saludos,
Armando

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:09 PM, wrote:

Posted : 06/07/2011 1:15 pm

Armando

(@armando)

Posts: 741

Prominent Member

Like I said, it is a most likely false story that stems from the myth of the
lost legion of French soldiers. It’s only through these genealogical studies
that we’ll get to the point where everyone fully understands it was only a
myth. Jalos (Jalostotiltán) is part of Los Altos and is the area included in
this myth.

What are the names and dates of your ancestors from Jalos?

Armando

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:06 AM, wrote:

>
>
> Interesting….with the family name I am researching Casillas Y Cabrera,
> the whole family keeps asking me where is the “French Connection”, because
> our Grandfather and a few a unts were blond haired and blue-eyed from
> Jalostotitlan, and I keep telling them I have found nothing like that so
> far. No French connection, but any European country has folks who are also
> fair , with blond hair and blue eyes. My father’s family who are entirely
> French, all the way back in our ancestry, are mostly dark haired and dark
> eyed, but he had one blond sister as well.
>
> Nancy Casillas
>
> Saint Clair, Michgian
>
>
>
> —– Original Message —–
>
>
> From: “Armando”
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 7:22:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Briones-Colunga
>
> Hello Catherine,
>
> What used to be called Santa María de los Lagos is now called Lagos de
> Moreno in honor of the insurgent Pedro Moreno. He was one of the first
> people to fight for independence from Spain. It’s shortened form is simply
> Lagos. A majority of my Mexican ancestors on my fathers side are from Lagos
> and I still have a lot of close relatives there. I have been doing a lot of
> research for the town so let me know if there is a family from Lagos you
> want info on. I might be able to help.
>
> As far the story of your ancestors being French it is probably from the
> myth
> of the lost legion of French soldiers from Napoleon’s army during their
> occupation of Mexico causing the people of Los Altos to have blond hair,
> blue eyes, and white skin. This myth has become so widespread that people
> repeat it as if it were factual truth. The myth is so common it caused Dr.
> Mariano González Leal to write a chapter on disproving the myth in one of
> his Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia.
>
> Since I have started researching heavily in the past couple of years I have
> learned many of the families that intermarried were from central and
> northern Spain such as Lope Ruiz de Esparza was from Navarra, the González
> de Hermosillo were from Burgos, Diego Romo de Vivar was likely from Vivar
> in
> Burgos, Diego de Villaseñor y Tovar was from Burgos, Bartolome Martín del
> Campo was from Revilla de Campos, Palencia, Castilla y León, Rubalcaba was
> probably from that town of the same name in in Liérganes, Cantabría, Azuela
> is a surname that originated in Burgos, Luebana is a Basque word and
> surname, and so on. Nueva Galicia could as well have been named Nueva
> Castilla. I descend from almost all of those families, as many of us do,
> and
> it would explain why my grandfather’s brother, and many other people of Los
> Altos, had blue eyes and light skin. There weren’t any French that created
> a
> significant descendancy to be able to attribute the northern European
> features to them. As far as our the European side, we are descendants of
> Spaniards. As is most likely the case with other Jaliscience’s such as Saul
> “El Canelo” Alvarez, Guillermo del Toro, and Javier “El Chicharo” Hernández
> Gutiérrez (the father of Chicharito), .
>
> Saludos,
> Armando
>
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:09 PM, wrote:
>
> > Catherine Wood
> > Found my grandmothers bautismos, Hermelinda Colunga and her Padrinos
> were
> > Crecencio Colunga and Serapia Briones! Finally have confirmation from
> > Arturo’s lead in earlier email…Thank you Arturo. I found her in San
> > Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas. The certificate says she was born in 1903,
> which
> > is far different than what the 1930 census shows for her age while
> living
> > in Santa Barbara, Chih., Now I can prove the following information:
> > 1. Vicente Colunga m. Guadelupe Rodriguez
> > 2. Juan Jose Colunga abt.1802 San Matias, Pinos m. 10 May 1826 Maria
> > Dionicia Gallegos b. abt 1803,, daughter of Mariano Gallegos
> > and Maria Victoriana Gutierrez of Pinos 3. Jose Crecencio Colunga
> bpt
> > 23 Apr 1843 San Matias, Pinos m. Serapia Briones bpt 17 Nov 1844,
> daughter
> > of Gregorio Briones and
> > Maria Natividad Lugo (of Jose Leocadio Briones y Maria Josefa
> > Valentina Macias and of Guillermo Lugo y Maria Salas)
> > 4. Juan Briones Colunga bpt 2 Jan 1870 San Matias, Pinos m. Josefa
> > Hernandez-Calzada.
> > My mother and her cousins believe that one of these relatives was
> French.
> > Not sure which one as they all sound spanish to me. My great
> grandfather,,
> > Juan Briones Colunga was blond with blue eyes, but so are many spanish
> > people.They are not sure if it is one of these families or one on the
> > Hernandez-Calzada side (I have not researched much on that side….yet).
> > Back to searching images! Thanks again Nuestrosranchos! — — — —
> —
> > — — — — — — — —
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >

Posted : 06/07/2011 1:45 pm

meef98367

(@meef98367)

Posts: 1036

Armando –

I guess the myth about the supposed French ancestry exists not only in Jalisco, but in Zacatecas as well. When I went once to Mexico with my parents (in the 1960s) as we passed through a small village on our way to where my father was born (Jerez) we encountered many people in that small place who were dark-skinned but their eyes were strikingly blue. I finally asked a gas station attendant why they had blue eyes, and he smiled shyly and said “the French were here”. I wanted to know more, but my father scolded me for asking such a rude (personal) question. I wish I could remember the name of that town, but it was so long ago. My father himself said that his great-grandfather had blue eyes and was called “el Frances”, but in records I found only “espanoles”, no frances or other European. He was descended from Basques who were with the Onate Party in the late 1500s who had settled in Pinos, Zacatecas.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 08:34:38 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Briones-Colunga
>
> Like I said, it is a most likely false story that stems from the myth of the
> lost legion of French soldiers. It’s only through these genealogical studies
> that we’ll get to the point where everyone fully understands it was only a
> myth. Jalos (Jalostotiltán) is part of Los Altos and is the area included in
> this myth.
>
> What are the names and dates of your ancestors from Jalos?
>
> Armando
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:06 AM, wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Interesting….with the family name I am researching Casillas Y Cabrera,
> > the whole family keeps asking me where is the “French Connection”, because
> > our Grandfather and a few a unts were blond haired and blue-eyed from
> > Jalostotitlan, and I keep telling them I have found nothing like that so
> > far. No French connection, but any European country has folks who are also
> > fair , with blond hair and blue eyes. My father’s family who are entirely
> > French, all the way back in our ancestry, are mostly dark haired and dark
> > eyed, but he had one blond sister as well.
> >
> > Nancy Casillas
> >
> > Saint Clair, Michgian
> >
> >
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
> >
> >
> > From: “Armando”
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 7:22:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Briones-Colunga
> >
> > Hello Catherine,
> >
> > What used to be called Santa María de los Lagos is now called Lagos de
> > Moreno in honor of the insurgent Pedro Moreno. He was one of the first
> > people to fight for independence from Spain. It’s shortened form is simply
> > Lagos. A majority of my Mexican ancestors on my fathers side are from Lagos
> > and I still have a lot of close relatives there. I have been doing a lot of
> > research for the town so let me know if there is a family from Lagos you
> > want info on. I might be able to help.
> >
> > As far the story of your ancestors being French it is probably from the
> > myth
> > of the lost legion of French soldiers from Napoleon’s army during their
> > occupation of Mexico causing the people of Los Altos to have blond hair,
> > blue eyes, and white skin. This myth has become so widespread that people
> > repeat it as if it were factual truth. The myth is so common it caused Dr.
> > Mariano González Leal to write a chapter on disproving the myth in one of
> > his Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia.
> >
> > Since I have started researching heavily in the past couple of years I have
> > learned many of the families that intermarried were from central and
> > northern Spain such as Lope Ruiz de Esparza was from Navarra, the González
> > de Hermosillo were from Burgos, Diego Romo de Vivar was likely from Vivar
> > in
> > Burgos, Diego de Villaseñor y Tovar was from Burgos, Bartolome Martín del
> > Campo was from Revilla de Campos, Palencia, Castilla y León, Rubalcaba was
> > probably from that town of the same name in in Liérganes, Cantabría, Azuela
> > is a surname that originated in Burgos, Luebana is a Basque word and
> > surname, and so on. Nueva Galicia could as well have been named Nueva
> > Castilla. I descend from almost all of those families, as many of us do,
> > and
> > it would explain why my grandfather’s brother, and many other people of Los
> > Altos, had blue eyes and light skin. There weren’t any French that created
> > a
> > significant descendancy to be able to attribute the northern European
> > features to them. As far as our the European side, we are descendants of
> > Spaniards. As is most likely the case with other Jaliscience’s such as Saul
> > “El Canelo” Alvarez, Guillermo del Toro, and Javier “El Chicharo” Hernández
> > Gutiérrez (the father of Chicharito), .
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Armando
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:09 PM, wrote:
> >
> > > Catherine Wood
> > > Found my grandmothers bautismos, Hermelinda Colunga and her Padrinos
> > were
> > > Crecencio Colunga and Serapia Briones! Finally have confirmation from
> > > Arturo’s lead in earlier email…Thank you Arturo. I found her in San
> > > Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas. The certificate says she was born in 1903,
> > which
> > > is far different than what the 1930 census shows for her age while
> > living
> > > in Santa Barbara, Chih., Now I can prove the following information:
> > > 1. Vicente Colunga m. Guadelupe Rodriguez
> > > 2. Juan Jose Colunga abt.1802 San Matias, Pinos m. 10 May 1826 Maria
> > > Dionicia Gallegos b. abt 1803,, daughter of Mariano Gallegos
> > > and Maria Victoriana Gutierrez of Pinos 3. Jose Crecencio Colunga
> > bpt
> > > 23 Apr 1843 San Matias, Pinos m. Serapia Briones bpt 17 Nov 1844,
> > daughter
> > > of Gregorio Briones and
> > > Maria Natividad Lugo (of Jose Leocadio Briones y Maria Josefa
> > > Valentina Macias and of Guillermo Lugo y Maria Salas)
> > > 4. Juan Briones Colunga bpt 2 Jan 1870 San Matias, Pinos m. Josefa
> > > Hernandez-Calzada.
> > > My mother and her cousins believe that one of these relatives was
> > French.
> > > Not sure which one as they all sound spanish to me. My great
> > grandfather,,
> > > Juan Briones Colunga was blond with blue eyes, but so are many spanish
> > > people.They are not sure if it is one of these families or one on the
> > > Hernandez-Calzada side (I have not researched much on that side….yet).
> > > Back to searching images! Thanks again Nuestrosranchos! — — — —
> > —
> > > — — — — — — — —
> > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> > >
> > > To post, send email to:
> > > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
> > >
> > > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > >
> > — — — — — — — — — — — — —
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> >
> > To post, send email to:
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> >
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> > — — — — — — — — — — — — —
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Posted : 07/07/2011 5:15 pm

Armando

(@armando)

Posts: 741

Prominent Member

Hello Emilie,

Thanks for sharing your experience. It would take more than one ancestor for
your 2nd ggrandfather to have blue eyes. It’s not just the Basque ancestor,
it’s also the families he married into, which is why I had mentioned the
origins of many of the founding families of Los Altos, which many had been
in Zacatecas first or ended up there. There were many more that I don’t even
know about or remember to mention.
There is a famous charro from Nochistlán, Zacatecas that is güero and has
blue eyes, I forget his name at the moment. I met another person from Jerez,
Zacatecas that has shown me photos of his grandfather with blue eyes. So,
there are people all over Zacatecas with blue eyes, or ancestors with blue
eyes. Unfortunately, for some people, their genealogy can’t be traced until
we get a huge database of Y-DNA of 111 markers.
As far as the myth making it to Zacatecas, that is easily believable. It was
the easy answer for people in the past that didn’t want to spend time
calculating the possibility, which would have shown it wasn’t. The numbers,
dates, and locations don’t match up. Apart from that genealogical research
back then was very difficult.

Saludos,
Armando

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

>
> Armando –
>
> I guess the myth about the supposed French ancestry exists not only in
> Jalisco, but in Zacatecas as well. When I went once to Mexico with my
> parents (in the 1960s) as we passed through a small village on our way to
> where my father was born (Jerez) we encountered many people in that small
> place who were dark-skinned but their eyes were strikingly blue. I finally
> asked a gas station attendant why they had blue eyes, and he smiled shyly
> and said “the French were here”. I wanted to know more, but my father
> scolded me for asking such a rude (personal) question. I wish I could
> remember the name of that town, but it was so long ago. My father himself
> said that his great-grandfather had blue eyes and was called “el Frances”,
> but in records I found only “espanoles”, no frances or other European. He
> was descended from Basques who were with the Onate Party in the late 1500s
> who had settled in Pinos, Zacatecas.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 08:34:38 -0500
> > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Briones-Colunga
> >
> > Like I said, it is a most likely false story that stems from the myth of
> the
> > lost legion of French soldiers. It’s only through these genealogical
> studies
> > that we’ll get to the point where everyone fully understands it was only
> a
> > myth. Jalos (Jalostotiltán) is part of Los Altos and is the area included
> in
> > this myth.
> >
> > What are the names and dates of your ancestors from Jalos?
> >
> > Armando
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:06 AM, wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Interesting….with the family name I am researching Casillas Y
> Cabrera,
> > > the whole family keeps asking me where is the “French Connection”,
> because
> > > our Grandfather and a few a unts were blond haired and blue-eyed from
> > > Jalostotitlan, and I keep telling them I have found nothing like that
> so
> > > far. No French connection, but any European country has folks who are
> also
> > > fair , with blond hair and blue eyes. My father’s family who are
> entirely
> > > French, all the way back in our ancestry, are mostly dark haired and
> dark
> > > eyed, but he had one blond sister as well.
> > >
> > > Nancy Casillas
> > >
> > > Saint Clair, Michgian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > —– Original Message —–
> > >
> > >
> > > From: “Armando”
> > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 7:22:39 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Briones-Colunga
> > >
> > > Hello Catherine,
> > >
> > > What used to be called Santa María de los Lagos is now called Lagos de
> > > Moreno in honor of the insurgent Pedro Moreno. He was one of the first
> > > people to fight for independence from Spain. It’s shortened form is
> simply
> > > Lagos. A majority of my Mexican ancestors on my fathers side are from
> Lagos
> > > and I still have a lot of close relatives there. I have been doing a
> lot of
> > > research for the town so let me know if there is a family from Lagos
> you
> > > want info on. I might be able to help.
> > >
> > > As far the story of your ancestors being French it is probably from the
> > > myth
> > > of the lost legion of French soldiers from Napoleon’s army during their
> > > occupation of Mexico causing the people of Los Altos to have blond
> hair,
> > > blue eyes, and white skin. This myth has become so widespread that
> people
> > > repeat it as if it were factual truth. The myth is so common it caused
> Dr.
> > > Mariano González Leal to write a chapter on disproving the myth in one
> of
> > > his Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia.
> > >
> > > Since I have started researching heavily in the past couple of years I
> have
> > > learned many of the families that intermarried were from central and
> > > northern Spain such as Lope Ruiz de Esparza was from Navarra, the
> González
> > > de Hermosillo were from Burgos, Diego Romo de Vivar was likely from
> Vivar
> > > in
> > > Burgos, Diego de Villaseñor y Tovar was from Burgos, Bartolome Martín
> del
> > > Campo was from Revilla de Campos, Palencia, Castilla y León, Rubalcaba
> was
> > > probably from that town of the same name in in Liérganes, Cantabría,
> Azuela
> > > is a surname that originated in Burgos, Luebana is a Basque word and
> > > surname, and so on. Nueva Galicia could as well have been named Nueva
> > > Castilla. I descend from almost all of those families, as many of us
> do,
> > > and
> > > it would explain why my grandfather’s brother, and many other people of
> Los
> > > Altos, had blue eyes and light skin. There weren’t any French that
> created
> > > a
> > > significant descendancy to be able to attribute the northern European
> > > features to them. As far as our the European side, we are descendants
> of
> > > Spaniards. As is most likely the case with other Jaliscience’s such as
> Saul
> > > “El Canelo” Alvarez, Guillermo del Toro, and Javier “El Chicharo”
> Hernández
> > > Gutiérrez (the father of Chicharito), .
> > >
> > > Saludos,
> > > Armando
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:09 PM, wrote:
> > >
> > > > Catherine Wood
> > > > Found my grandmothers bautismos, Hermelinda Colunga and her Padrinos
> > > were
> > > > Crecencio Colunga and Serapia Briones! Finally have confirmation from
> > > > Arturo’s lead in earlier email…Thank you Arturo. I found her in San
> > > > Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas. The certificate says she was born in 1903,
> > > which
> > > > is far different than what the 1930 census shows for her age while
> > > living
> > > > in Santa Barbara, Chih., Now I can prove the following information:
> > > > 1. Vicente Colunga m. Guadelupe Rodriguez
> > > > 2. Juan Jose Colunga abt.1802 San Matias, Pinos m. 10 May 1826 Maria
> > > > Dionicia Gallegos b. abt 1803,, daughter of Mariano Gallegos
> > > > and Maria Victoriana Gutierrez of Pinos 3. Jose Crecencio Colunga
> > > bpt
> > > > 23 Apr 1843 San Matias, Pinos m. Serapia Briones bpt 17 Nov 1844,
> > > daughter
> > > > of Gregorio Briones and
> > > > Maria Natividad Lugo (of Jose Leocadio Briones y Maria Josefa
> > > > Valentina Macias and of Guillermo Lugo y Maria Salas)
> > > > 4. Juan Briones Colunga bpt 2 Jan 1870 San Matias, Pinos m. Josefa
> > > > Hernandez-Calzada.
> > > > My mother and her cousins believe that one of these relatives was
> > > French.
> > > > Not sure which one as they all sound spanish to me. My great
> > > grandfather,,
> > > > Juan Briones Colunga was blond with blue eyes, but so are many
> spanish
> > > > people.They are not sure if it is one of these families or one on the
> > > > Hernandez-Calzada side (I have not researched much on that
> side….yet).
> > > > Back to searching images! Thanks again Nuestrosranchos! — — — —
> > > —
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Posted : 07/07/2011 5:45 pm

meef98367

(@meef98367)

Posts: 1036

Armando,

Yes, my father’s lines also include the Felix de Arellano and Llanos de Valdez, as well as Olague Etulain. I think other lines also came from a place called Cienega de Mata. I don’t really know where that was then, but it was owned by a famous espanol family, whose name I can’t recall right now.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 12:44:49 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Briones-Colunga
>
> Hello Emilie,
>
> Thanks for sharing your experience. It would take more than one ancestor for
> your 2nd ggrandfather to have blue eyes. It’s not just the Basque ancestor,
> it’s also the families he married into, which is why I had mentioned the
> origins of many of the founding families of Los Altos, which many had been
> in Zacatecas first or ended up there. There were many more that I don’t even
> know about or remember to mention.
> There is a famous charro from Nochistlán, Zacatecas that is güero and has
> blue eyes, I forget his name at the moment. I met another person from Jerez,
> Zacatecas that has shown me photos of his grandfather with blue eyes. So,
> there are people all over Zacatecas with blue eyes, or ancestors with blue
> eyes. Unfortunately, for some people, their genealogy can’t be traced until
> we get a huge database of Y-DNA of 111 markers.
> As far as the myth making it to Zacatecas, that is easily believable. It was
> the easy answer for people in the past that didn’t want to spend time
> calculating the possibility, which would have shown it wasn’t. The numbers,
> dates, and locations don’t match up. Apart from that genealogical research
> back then was very difficult.
>
> Saludos,
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Emilie Garcia
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Armando –
> >
> > I guess the myth about the supposed French ancestry exists not only in
> > Jalisco, but in Zacatecas as well. When I went once to Mexico with my
> > parents (in the 1960s) as we passed through a small village on our way to
> > where my father was born (Jerez) we encountered many people in that small
> > place who were dark-skinned but their eyes were strikingly blue. I finally
> > asked a gas station attendant why they had blue eyes, and he smiled shyly
> > and said “the French were here”. I wanted to know more, but my father
> > scolded me for asking such a rude (personal) question. I wish I could
> > remember the name of that town, but it was so long ago. My father himself
> > said that his great-grandfather had blue eyes and was called “el Frances”,
> > but in records I found only “espanoles”, no frances or other European. He
> > was descended from Basques who were with the Onate Party in the late 1500s
> > who had settled in Pinos, Zacatecas.
> >
> > Emilie
> > Port Orchard, WA
> >
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 08:34:38 -0500
> > > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Briones-Colunga
> > >
> > > Like I said, it is a most likely false story that stems from the myth of
> > the
> > > lost legion of French soldiers. It’s only through these genealogical
> > studies
> > > that we’ll get to the point where everyone fully understands it was only
> > a
> > > myth. Jalos (Jalostotiltán) is part of Los Altos and is the area included
> > in
> > > this myth.
> > >
> > > What are the names and dates of your ancestors from Jalos?
> > >
> > > Armando
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:06 AM, wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Interesting….with the family name I am researching Casillas Y
> > Cabrera,
> > > > the whole family keeps asking me where is the “French Connection”,
> > because
> > > > our Grandfather and a few a unts were blond haired and blue-eyed from
> > > > Jalostotitlan, and I keep telling them I have found nothing like that
> > so
> > > > far. No French connection, but any European country has folks who are
> > also
> > > > fair , with blond hair and blue eyes. My father’s family who are
> > entirely
> > > > French, all the way back in our ancestry, are mostly dark haired and
> > dark
> > > > eyed, but he had one blond sister as well.
> > > >
> > > > Nancy Casillas
> > > >
> > > > Saint Clair, Michgian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > —– Original Message —–
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: “Armando”
> > > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 7:22:39 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Briones-Colunga
> > > >
> > > > Hello Catherine,
> > > >
> > > > What used to be called Santa María de los Lagos is now called Lagos de
> > > > Moreno in honor of the insurgent Pedro Moreno. He was one of the first
> > > > people to fight for independence from Spain. It’s shortened form is
> > simply
> > > > Lagos. A majority of my Mexican ancestors on my fathers side are from
> > Lagos
> > > > and I still have a lot of close relatives there. I have been doing a
> > lot of
> > > > research for the town so let me know if there is a family from Lagos
> > you
> > > > want info on. I might be able to help.
> > > >
> > > > As far the story of your ancestors being French it is probably from the
> > > > myth
> > > > of the lost legion of French soldiers from Napoleon’s army during their
> > > > occupation of Mexico causing the people of Los Altos to have blond
> > hair,
> > > > blue eyes, and white skin. This myth has become so widespread that
> > people
> > > > repeat it as if it were factual truth. The myth is so common it caused
> > Dr.
> > > > Mariano González Leal to write a chapter on disproving the myth in one
> > of
> > > > his Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia.
> > > >
> > > > Since I have started researching heavily in the past couple of years I
> > have
> > > > learned many of the families that intermarried were from central and
> > > > northern Spain such as Lope Ruiz de Esparza was from Navarra, the
> > González
> > > > de Hermosillo were from Burgos, Diego Romo de Vivar was likely from
> > Vivar
> > > > in
> > > > Burgos, Diego de Villaseñor y Tovar was from Burgos, Bartolome Martín
> > del
> > > > Campo was from Revilla de Campos, Palencia, Castilla y León, Rubalcaba
> > was
> > > > probably from that town of the same name in in Liérganes, Cantabría,
> > Azuela
> > > > is a surname that originated in Burgos, Luebana is a Basque word and
> > > > surname, and so on. Nueva Galicia could as well have been named Nueva
> > > > Castilla. I descend from almost all of those families, as many of us
> > do,
> > > > and
> > > > it would explain why my grandfather’s brother, and many other people of
> > Los
> > > > Altos, had blue eyes and light skin. There weren’t any French that
> > created
> > > > a
> > > > significant descendancy to be able to attribute the northern European
> > > > features to them. As far as our the European side, we are descendants
> > of
> > > > Spaniards. As is most likely the case with other Jaliscience’s such as
> > Saul
> > > > “El Canelo” Alvarez, Guillermo del Toro, and Javier “El Chicharo”
> > Hernández
> > > > Gutiérrez (the father of Chicharito), .
> > > >
> > > > Saludos,
> > > > Armando
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:09 PM, wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Catherine Wood
> > > > > Found my grandmothers bautismos, Hermelinda Colunga and her Padrinos
> > > > were
> > > > > Crecencio Colunga and Serapia Briones! Finally have confirmation from
> > > > > Arturo’s lead in earlier email…Thank you Arturo. I found her in San
> > > > > Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas. The certificate says she was born in 1903,
> > > > which
> > > > > is far different than what the 1930 census shows for her age while
> > > > living
> > > > > in Santa Barbara, Chih., Now I can prove the following information:
> > > > > 1. Vicente Colunga m. Guadelupe Rodriguez
> > > > > 2. Juan Jose Colunga abt.1802 San Matias, Pinos m. 10 May 1826 Maria
> > > > > Dionicia Gallegos b. abt 1803,, daughter of Mariano Gallegos
> > > > > and Maria Victoriana Gutierrez of Pinos 3. Jose Crecencio Colunga
> > > > bpt
> > > > > 23 Apr 1843 San Matias, Pinos m. Serapia Briones bpt 17 Nov 1844,
> > > > daughter
> > > > > of Gregorio Briones and
> > > > > Maria Natividad Lugo (of Jose Leocadio Briones y Maria Josefa
> > > > > Valentina Macias and of Guillermo Lugo y Maria Salas)
> > > > > 4. Juan Briones Colunga bpt 2 Jan 1870 San Matias, Pinos m. Josefa
> > > > > Hernandez-Calzada.
> > > > > My mother and her cousins believe that one of these relatives was
> > > > French.
> > > > > Not sure which one as they all sound spanish to me. My great
> > > > grandfather,,
> > > > > Juan Briones Colunga was blond with blue eyes, but so are many
> > spanish
> > > > > people.They are not sure if it is one of these families or one on the
> > > > > Hernandez-Calzada side (I have not researched much on that
> > side….yet).
> > > > > Back to searching images! Thanks again Nuestrosranchos! — — — —
> > > > —
> > > > > — — — — — — — —
> > > > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> > > > >
> > > > > To post, send email to:
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Posted : 07/07/2011 6:30 pm

longsjourney

(@longsjourney)

Posts: 828

I’ve been researching Jerez, Zacatecas for abt 15 years now and have found only
2 marriage records where the men were from France and married local girls in the
1800’s. They stated they came with the French army but appeared to have taken
their Mexican wives somewhere else since I can’t find children for them. My
grandparents also claimed French ancestry but there are none in my research.
They did live in el Durasno, Jerez for 3 hundred years and when I went there the
majority of the rancho of 200 or so homes had green eyes.. just like my sister,
brother and me! I have to admit my grandfather and gr-grandfather had blue eyes
but their wives did not.
Genetics are a facinating thing!
Linda in B.C.

________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, July 7, 2011 10:44:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Briones-Colunga

Hello Emilie,

Saludos,
Armando

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

Posted : 07/07/2011 6:45 pm

Armando

(@armando)

Posts: 741

Prominent Member

Emilie,

Cienega de Mata was owned by the Rincón-Gallardo family. It was part of one
of the largest haciendas Mexico ever had. It’s located in the muncipality of
Lagos de Moreno and the capilla pertained in the ecclesiastic to the
parroquia of Aguascalientes. We spoke about this before when you asked about
Matheo de Arteaga and the meaning of laguense.
Unfortunately I am not familiar with your Felix de Arellano and Llanos de
Valdez lines but they most likey also had an ancestor or two with blue eyes
also.

Armando

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Emilie Garcia wrote:

>
> Armando,
>
> Yes, my father’s lines also include the Felix de Arellano and Llanos de
> Valdez, as well as Olague Etulain. I think other lines also came from a
> place called Cienega de Mata. I don’t really know where that was then, but
> it was owned by a famous espanol family, whose name I can’t recall right
> now.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 12:44:49 -0500
> > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Briones-Colunga
> >
> > Hello Emilie,
> >
> > Thanks for sharing your experience. It would take more than one ancestor
> for
> > your 2nd ggrandfather to have blue eyes. It’s not just the Basque
> ancestor,
> > it’s also the families he married into, which is why I had mentioned the
> > origins of many of the founding families of Los Altos, which many had
> been
> > in Zacatecas first or ended up there. There were many more that I don’t
> even
> > know about or remember to mention.
> > There is a famous charro from Nochistlán, Zacatecas that is güero and has
> > blue eyes, I forget his name at the moment. I met another person from
> Jerez,
> > Zacatecas that has shown me photos of his grandfather with blue eyes. So,
> > there are people all over Zacatecas with blue eyes, or ancestors with
> blue
> > eyes. Unfortunately, for some people, their genealogy can’t be traced
> until
> > we get a huge database of Y-DNA of 111 markers.
> > As far as the myth making it to Zacatecas, that is easily believable. It
> was
> > the easy answer for people in the past that didn’t want to spend time
> > calculating the possibility, which would have shown it wasn’t. The
> numbers,
> > dates, and locations don’t match up. Apart from that genealogical
> research
> > back then was very difficult.
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Armando
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Emilie Garcia
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Armando –
> > >
> > > I guess the myth about the supposed French ancestry exists not only in
> > > Jalisco, but in Zacatecas as well. When I went once to Mexico with my
> > > parents (in the 1960s) as we passed through a small village on our way
> to
> > > where my father was born (Jerez) we encountered many people in that
> small
> > > place who were dark-skinned but their eyes were strikingly blue. I
> finally
> > > asked a gas station attendant why they had blue eyes, and he smiled
> shyly
> > > and said “the French were here”. I wanted to know more, but my father
> > > scolded me for asking such a rude (personal) question. I wish I could
> > > remember the name of that town, but it was so long ago. My father
> himself
> > > said that his great-grandfather had blue eyes and was called “el
> Frances”,
> > > but in records I found only “espanoles”, no frances or other European.
> He
> > > was descended from Basques who were with the Onate Party in the late
> 1500s
> > > who had settled in Pinos, Zacatecas.
> > >
> > > Emilie
> > > Port Orchard, WA
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 08:34:38 -0500
> > > > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Briones-Colunga
> > > >
> > > > Like I said, it is a most likely false story that stems from the myth
> of
> > > the
> > > > lost legion of French soldiers. It’s only through these genealogical
> > > studies
> > > > that we’ll get to the point where everyone fully understands it was
> only
> > > a
> > > > myth. Jalos (Jalostotiltán) is part of Los Altos and is the area
> included
> > > in
> > > > this myth.
> > > >
> > > > What are the names and dates of your ancestors from Jalos?
> > > >
> > > > Armando
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:06 AM, wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Interesting….with the family name I am researching Casillas Y
> > > Cabrera,
> > > > > the whole family keeps asking me where is the “French Connection”,
> > > because
> > > > > our Grandfather and a few a unts were blond haired and blue-eyed
> from
> > > > > Jalostotitlan, and I keep telling them I have found nothing like
> that
> > > so
> > > > > far. No French connection, but any European country has folks who
> are
> > > also
> > > > > fair , with blond hair and blue eyes. My father’s family who are
> > > entirely
> > > > > French, all the way back in our ancestry, are mostly dark haired
> and
> > > dark
> > > > > eyed, but he had one blond sister as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nancy Casillas
> > > > >
> > > > > Saint Clair, Michgian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > —– Original Message —–
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: “Armando”
> > > > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 7:22:39 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Briones-Colunga
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Catherine,
> > > > >
> > > > > What used to be called Santa María de los Lagos is now called Lagos
> de
> > > > > Moreno in honor of the insurgent Pedro Moreno. He was one of the
> first
> > > > > people to fight for independence from Spain. It’s shortened form is
> > > simply
> > > > > Lagos. A majority of my Mexican ancestors on my fathers side are
> from
> > > Lagos
> > > > > and I still have a lot of close relatives there. I have been doing
> a
> > > lot of
> > > > > research for the town so let me know if there is a family from
> Lagos
> > > you
> > > > > want info on. I might be able to help.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far the story of your ancestors being French it is probably from
> the
> > > > > myth
> > > > > of the lost legion of French soldiers from Napoleon’s army during
> their
> > > > > occupation of Mexico causing the people of Los Altos to have blond
> > > hair,
> > > > > blue eyes, and white skin. This myth has become so widespread that
> > > people
> > > > > repeat it as if it were factual truth. The myth is so common it
> caused
> > > Dr.
> > > > > Mariano González Leal to write a chapter on disproving the myth in
> one
> > > of
> > > > > his Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since I have started researching heavily in the past couple of
> years I
> > > have
> > > > > learned many of the families that intermarried were from central
> and
> > > > > northern Spain such as Lope Ruiz de Esparza was from Navarra, the
> > > González
> > > > > de Hermosillo were from Burgos, Diego Romo de Vivar was likely from
> > > Vivar
> > > > > in
> > > > > Burgos, Diego de Villaseñor y Tovar was from Burgos, Bartolome
> Martín
> > > del
> > > > > Campo was from Revilla de Campos, Palencia, Castilla y León,
> Rubalcaba
> > > was
> > > > > probably from that town of the same name in in Liérganes,
> Cantabría,
> > > Azuela
> > > > > is a surname that originated in Burgos, Luebana is a Basque word
> and
> > > > > surname, and so on. Nueva Galicia could as well have been named
> Nueva
> > > > > Castilla. I descend from almost all of those families, as many of
> us
> > > do,
> > > > > and
> > > > > it would explain why my grandfather’s brother, and many other
> people of
> > > Los
> > > > > Altos, had blue eyes and light skin. There weren’t any French that
> > > created
> > > > > a
> > > > > significant descendancy to be able to attribute the northern
> European
> > > > > features to them. As far as our the European side, we are
> descendants
> > > of
> > > > > Spaniards. As is most likely the case with other Jaliscience’s such
> as
> > > Saul
> > > > > “El Canelo” Alvarez, Guillermo del Toro, and Javier “El Chicharo”
> > > Hernández
> > > > > Gutiérrez (the father of Chicharito), .
> > > > >
> > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > Armando
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:09 PM, wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Catherine Wood
> > > > > > Found my grandmothers bautismos, Hermelinda Colunga and her
> Padrinos
> > > > > were
> > > > > > Crecencio Colunga and Serapia Briones! Finally have confirmation
> from
> > > > > > Arturo’s lead in earlier email…Thank you Arturo. I found her in
> San
> > > > > > Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas. The certificate says she was born in
> 1903,
> > > > > which
> > > > > > is far different than what the 1930 census shows for her age
> while
> > > > > living
> > > > > > in Santa Barbara, Chih., Now I can prove the following
> information:
> > > > > > 1. Vicente Colunga m. Guadelupe Rodriguez
> > > > > > 2. Juan Jose Colunga abt.1802 San Matias, Pinos m. 10 May 1826
> Maria
> > > > > > Dionicia Gallegos b. abt 1803,, daughter of Mariano Gallegos
> > > > > > and Maria Victoriana Gutierrez of Pinos 3. Jose Crecencio Colunga
> > > > > bpt
> > > > > > 23 Apr 1843 San Matias, Pinos m. Serapia Briones bpt 17 Nov 1844,
> > > > > daughter
> > > > > > of Gregorio Briones and
> > > > > > Maria Natividad Lugo (of Jose Leocadio Briones y Maria Josefa
> > > > > > Valentina Macias and of Guillermo Lugo y Maria Salas)
> > > > > > 4. Juan Briones Colunga bpt 2 Jan 1870 San Matias, Pinos m.
> Josefa
> > > > > > Hernandez-Calzada.
> > > > > > My mother and her cousins believe that one of these relatives was
> > > > > French.
> > > > > > Not sure which one as they all sound spanish to me. My great
> > > > > grandfather,,
> > > > > > Juan Briones Colunga was blond with blue eyes, but so are many
> > > spanish
> > > > > > people.They are not sure if it is one of these families or one on
> the
> > > > > > Hernandez-Calzada side (I have not researched much on that
> > > side….yet).
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Posted : 07/07/2011 7:15 pm

Armando

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Posts: 741

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Erlinda,

It’s another nail in the coffin of the French myth causing blue eyes in
Jalisco and Zacatecas. Some day it will be laid to rest forever. Thank you
for sharing.

Armando

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:

> I’ve been researching Jerez, Zacatecas for abt 15 years now and have found
> only
> 2 marriage records where the men were from France and married local girls
> in the
> 1800’s. They stated they came with the French army but appeared to have
> taken
> their Mexican wives somewhere else since I can’t find children for them. My
> grandparents also claimed French ancestry but there are none in my
> research.
> They did live in el Durasno, Jerez for 3 hundred years and when I went
> there the
> majority of the rancho of 200 or so homes had green eyes.. just like my
> sister,
> brother and me! I have to admit my grandfather and gr-grandfather had blue
> eyes
> but their wives did not.
> Genetics are a facinating thing!
> Linda in B.C.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Armando
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thu, July 7, 2011 10:44:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Briones-Colunga
>
> Hello Emilie,
>
> Thanks for sharing your experience. It would take more than one ancestor
> for
> your 2nd ggrandfather to have blue eyes. It’s not just the Basque ancestor,
> it’s also the families he married into, which is why I had mentioned the
> origins of many of the founding families of Los Altos, which many had been
> in Zacatecas first or ended up there. There were many more that I don’t
> even
> know about or remember to mention.
> There is a famous charro from Nochistlán, Zacatecas that is güero and has
> blue eyes, I forget his name at the moment. I met another person from
> Jerez,
> Zacatecas that has shown me photos of his grandfather with blue eyes. So,
> there are people all over Zacatecas with blue eyes, or ancestors with blue
> eyes. Unfortunately, for some people, their genealogy can’t be traced until
> we get a huge database of Y-DNA of 111 markers.
> As far as the myth making it to Zacatecas, that is easily believable. It
> was
> the easy answer for people in the past that didn’t want to spend time
> calculating the possibility, which would have shown it wasn’t. The numbers,
> dates, and locations don’t match up. Apart from that genealogical research
> back then was very difficult.
>
> Saludos,
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Emilie Garcia
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Armando –
> >
> > I guess the myth about the supposed French ancestry exists not only in
> > Jalisco, but in Zacatecas as well. When I went once to Mexico with my
> > parents (in the 1960s) as we passed through a small village on our way to
> > where my father was born (Jerez) we encountered many people in that small
> > place who were dark-skinned but their eyes were strikingly blue. I
> finally
> > asked a gas station attendant why they had blue eyes, and he smiled shyly
> > and said “the French were here”. I wanted to know more, but my father
> > scolded me for asking such a rude (personal) question. I wish I could
> > remember the name of that town, but it was so long ago. My father himself
> > said that his great-grandfather had blue eyes and was called “el
> Frances”,
> > but in records I found only “espanoles”, no frances or other European.
> He
> > was descended from Basques who were with the Onate Party in the late
> 1500s
> > who had settled in Pinos, Zacatecas.
> >
> > Emilie
> > Port Orchard, WA
> >
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 08:34:38 -0500
> > > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Briones-Colunga
> > >
> > > Like I said, it is a most likely false story that stems from the myth
> of
> > the
> > > lost legion of French soldiers. It’s only through these genealogical
> > studies
> > > that we’ll get to the point where everyone fully understands it was
> only
> > a
> > > myth. Jalos (Jalostotiltán) is part of Los Altos and is the area
> included
> > in
> > > this myth.
> > >
> > > What are the names and dates of your ancestors from Jalos?
> > >
> > > Armando
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:06 AM, wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Interesting….with the family name I am researching Casillas Y
> > Cabrera,
> > > > the whole family keeps asking me where is the “French Connection”,
> > because
> > > > our Grandfather and a few a unts were blond haired and blue-eyed from
> > > > Jalostotitlan, and I keep telling them I have found nothing like that
> > so
> > > > far. No French connection, but any European country has folks who are
> > also
> > > > fair , with blond hair and blue eyes. My father’s family who are
> > entirely
> > > > French, all the way back in our ancestry, are mostly dark haired and
> > dark
> > > > eyed, but he had one blond sister as well.
> > > >
> > > > Nancy Casillas
> > > >
> > > > Saint Clair, Michgian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > —– Original Message —–
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: “Armando”
> > > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 7:22:39 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Briones-Colunga
> > > >
> > > > Hello Catherine,
> > > >
> > > > What used to be called Santa María de los Lagos is now called Lagos
> de
> > > > Moreno in honor of the insurgent Pedro Moreno. He was one of the
> first
> > > > people to fight for independence from Spain. It’s shortened form is
> > simply
> > > > Lagos. A majority of my Mexican ancestors on my fathers side are from
> > Lagos
> > > > and I still have a lot of close relatives there. I have been doing a
> > lot of
> > > > research for the town so let me know if there is a family from Lagos
> > you
> > > > want info on. I might be able to help.
> > > >
> > > > As far the story of your ancestors being French it is probably from
> the
> > > > myth
> > > > of the lost legion of French soldiers from Napoleon’s army during
> their
> > > > occupation of Mexico causing the people of Los Altos to have blond
> > hair,
> > > > blue eyes, and white skin. This myth has become so widespread that
> > people
> > > > repeat it as if it were factual truth. The myth is so common it
> caused
> > Dr.
> > > > Mariano González Leal to write a chapter on disproving the myth in
> one
> > of
> > > > his Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia.
> > > >
> > > > Since I have started researching heavily in the past couple of years
> I
> > have
> > > > learned many of the families that intermarried were from central and
> > > > northern Spain such as Lope Ruiz de Esparza was from Navarra, the
> > González
> > > > de Hermosillo were from Burgos, Diego Romo de Vivar was likely from
> > Vivar
> > > > in
> > > > Burgos, Diego de Villaseñor y Tovar was from Burgos, Bartolome Martín
> > del
> > > > Campo was from Revilla de Campos, Palencia, Castilla y León,
> Rubalcaba
> > was
> > > > probably from that town of the same name in in Liérganes, Cantabría,
> > Azuela
> > > > is a surname that originated in Burgos, Luebana is a Basque word and
> > > > surname, and so on. Nueva Galicia could as well have been named Nueva
> > > > Castilla. I descend from almost all of those families, as many of us
> > do,
> > > > and
> > > > it would explain why my grandfather’s brother, and many other people
> of
> > Los
> > > > Altos, had blue eyes and light skin. There weren’t any French that
> > created
> > > > a
> > > > significant descendancy to be able to attribute the northern European
> > > > features to them. As far as our the European side, we are descendants
> > of
> > > > Spaniards. As is most likely the case with other Jaliscience’s such
> as
> > Saul
> > > > “El Canelo” Alvarez, Guillermo del Toro, and Javier “El Chicharo”
> > Hernández
> > > > Gutiérrez (the father of Chicharito), .
> > > >
> > > > Saludos,
> > > > Armando
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:09 PM, wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Catherine Wood
> > > > > Found my grandmothers bautismos, Hermelinda Colunga and her
> Padrinos
> > > > were
> > > > > Crecencio Colunga and Serapia Briones! Finally have confirmation
> from
> > > > > Arturo’s lead in earlier email…Thank you Arturo. I found her in
> San
> > > > > Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas. The certificate says she was born in
> 1903,
> > > > which
> > > > > is far different than what the 1930 census shows for her age while
> > > > living
> > > > > in Santa Barbara, Chih., Now I can prove the following information:
> > > > > 1. Vicente Colunga m. Guadelupe Rodriguez
> > > > > 2. Juan Jose Colunga abt.1802 San Matias, Pinos m. 10 May 1826
> Maria
> > > > > Dionicia Gallegos b. abt 1803,, daughter of Mariano Gallegos
> > > > > and Maria Victoriana Gutierrez of Pinos 3. Jose Crecencio Colunga
> > > > bpt
> > > > > 23 Apr 1843 San Matias, Pinos m. Serapia Briones bpt 17 Nov 1844,
> > > > daughter
> > > > > of Gregorio Briones and
> > > > > Maria Natividad Lugo (of Jose Leocadio Briones y Maria Josefa
> > > > > Valentina Macias and of Guillermo Lugo y Maria Salas)
> > > > > 4. Juan Briones Colunga bpt 2 Jan 1870 San Matias, Pinos m. Josefa
> > > > > Hernandez-Calzada.
> > > > > My mother and her cousins believe that one of these relatives was
> > > > French.
> > > > > Not sure which one as they all sound spanish to me. My great
> > > > grandfather,,
> > > > > Juan Briones Colunga was blond with blue eyes, but so are many
> > spanish
> > > > > people.They are not sure if it is one of these families or one on
> the
> > > > > Hernandez-Calzada side (I have not researched much on that
> > side….yet).
> > > > > Back to searching images! Thanks again Nuestrosranchos! — — — —
> > > > —
> > > > > — — — — — — — —
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