Wow! Well Jonathan.. I guess finished my job. He did a lot! for you. Anyway, wow! I can relate you
about the class thing. In my ancestry you’ll hardly find any other than SPanish or European blood.
I have like 1 black and 2 or 3 indian lines. My mother’s family went to the extreme! They cared so much
for “pure blood” that’s what they called it. THey married inside their on family. Until this day 2008, we still
do that, I really don’t want to marry my cousin! They believed very strange things. All my mom’s ancestors
are related until 1750 or so. I find Theodoro García de León about 17 times on my tree! My mother’s family owened
an hacienda, i think that’s way they only mixed with other land owners. I think it was my grt gf Francisco Méndez
that didnt approve of my gm Cuca because she was mestiza. Her father was spanish (white skin) our family for
some reason dont call people Mexican, we still call them Negro, Mestizo or Spanish or Indio, not sure why. and her
Elena de Moran was also mestiza. My gf came out oliveish color. Im not sure why but when someone marries other
than European blood they make sure their descendants to hide their lineage of other than Euro. I didnt now I was
Black! Lol! My friends tell me “im whiter than a white person” LOL! I think it’s fun learning your other lineages especially
the Indian one from Moctezuma. So many descendants! -Daniel Méndez del Camino
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Jonathan, you are too modest! You have a wonderful reputation for the integrity of your work and I know you’ve worked countless hours in researching and sharing what you’ve learned. I’m really glad you’re part of this group!

I tried accessing your site a couple of times and couldn’t get past your home page, can’t figure out what I’m doing wrong. I did contact you before since I have Rolon ancestors from Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Gusman as does your wife but we never made a family connection.

thank you for sharing the Portezuelo information.
Linda in Everett

Jonathan wrote:
Linda,

First, of all I am no expert (just a person who has been very lucky in
researching).

Second of all there are a total of 9 different towns in Jalisco with
Portezuelos in their names. Here is a list of them with their municipios:

Ameca
El Portezuelo

La Barca
Portezuelo
El Rincon de Portezuelo

Hostotipaquillo
Portezuelo

Lagos de Moreno
Portezuelos de Casillas
Portezuelos de Gonzalez

Pihuamo
Portezuelo

Talpa de Allende
El Portezuelo

Tamazula de Gordiano
Portezuelo Nuevo
Portezuelo Viejo

Tomatlan
El Portezuelo

I hope that, this helps someone.

Jonathan

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Linda,

Thank you.

As for accessing my site, you just goto www.mexicanfhr.com, at the bottom of
the page are the links to enter into the site. I will be doing some changes
to the overall design of the website in a few weeks.

Also, Dear Myrtle on her podcast last, talked about my website and what
material is on it.

Jonathan

——— Original Message ——–
From: research@nuestrosranchos.org
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogia de mi Padre (Lopez-Ornelas)
Date: 03/21/08 03:31

> Jonathan, you are too modest! You have a wonderful reputation for the
integrity of your work and I know you’ve worked countless hours in
researching and sharing what you’ve learned. I’m really glad you’re part of
this group!
>
> I tried accessing your site a couple of times and couldn’t get past your
home page, can’t figure out what I’m doing wrong. I did contact you before
since I have Rolon ancestors from Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Gusman as does
your wife but we never made a family connection.
>
> thank you for sharing the Portezuelo information.
> Linda in Everett
>
> Jonathan <jonathan@mexicanfhr.com> wrote:
> Linda,
>
> First, of all I am no expert (just a person who has been very lucky in
> researching).
>
> Second of all there are a total of 9 different towns in Jalisco with
> Portezuelos in their names. Here is a list of them with their municipios:
>
> Ameca
> El Portezuelo
>
> La Barca
> Portezuelo
> El Rincon de Portezuelo
>
> Hostotipaquillo
> Portezuelo
>
> Lagos de Moreno
> Portezuelos de Casillas
> Portezuelos de Gonzalez
>
> Pihuamo
> Portezuelo
>
> Talpa de Allende
> El Portezuelo
>
> Tamazula de Gordiano
> Portezuelo Nuevo
> Portezuelo Viejo
>
> Tomatlan
> El Portezuelo
>
> I hope that, this helps someone.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
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Sunday, March 30, 2008

Dear Researchers–

We just arrived home from a trip to Jalisco, Mexico.
We stayed most of the time in Santa Rita, Ayotlan.
However we did make some day trips out to a few
villages in the Atotonilco el Alto municipio, and to
the town of Capilla de Guadalupe.

In order to reach those places and to go on a better
road, we went the back way from Santa Rita and passed
the village of Portesuelo in the La Barca municipio.
A number of years ago, we went to Portezuelo (it can
be spelled either way in the old records) because some
of our Godinez ancestors lived there.

I was surprised to see that there were so many other
places called Portesuelo in Jalisco. I am glad we can
share information with one another and learn more.

Sincerely,
Patricia Diane Godinez
San Diego

— Erlinda Castanon-Long
wrote:

> Jonathan, you are too modest! You have a wonderful
> reputation for the integrity of your work and I know
> you’ve worked countless hours in researching and
> sharing what you’ve learned. I’m really glad you’re
> part of this group!
>
> I tried accessing your site a couple of times and
> couldn’t get past your home page, can’t figure out
> what I’m doing wrong. I did contact you before
> since I have Rolon ancestors from Zapotlan El
> Grande/Ciudad Gusman as does your wife but we never
> made a family connection.
>
> thank you for sharing the Portezuelo information.
> Linda in Everett
>
> Jonathan wrote:
> Linda,
>
> First, of all I am no expert (just a person who has
> been very lucky in
> researching).
>
> Second of all there are a total of 9 different towns
> in Jalisco with
> Portezuelos in their names. Here is a list of them
> with their municipios:
>
> Ameca
> El Portezuelo
>
> La Barca
> Portezuelo
> El Rincon de Portezuelo
>
> Hostotipaquillo
> Portezuelo
>
> Lagos de Moreno
> Portezuelos de Casillas
> Portezuelos de Gonzalez
>
> Pihuamo
> Portezuelo
>
> Talpa de Allende
> El Portezuelo
>
> Tamazula de Gordiano
> Portezuelo Nuevo
> Portezuelo Viejo
>
> Tomatlan
> El Portezuelo
>
> I hope that, this helps someone.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
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Monday, March 31, 2008

Dear Esther-

It is hard to keep up with all the emails one receives
when on vacation. I read this one with interest
today.

I do not know where Sayula is because my husband does
not apparently have any ancestors from there. I did
see the information sent to you by Jonathan. Seems
like some of the area you are seeking information
from, is in the same places that I have search in
years past.

On one of our outings, we stopped by La Barca. It was
on a Sunday and in the plaza, people were voting for
local leaders. We went by the church, which is off to
the side and not on the plaza square.

On our way to the Guadalajara airport on Friday, we
passed through Jamay and I can report that Lake
Chapala does have adequate water at this time. I have
visited there in the past when the water level was
quite low.

I have also done research in Ocotlan but never in
Zapotlan del Rey.

Looking forward to getting together with you on your
return to California.

Sincerely,
Patricia Diane Godinez
AKA Patricia Burton
San Diego

— Esther wrote:

> I am very excited to be in this genealogy group. I
> have been reading all your e-mails and I like
> learning about the history. Thank you! I was born
> in Jamay, Jalisco and came to the U.S. when I was 6
> years old. My history knowledge is not good but it
> is never too late to learn.
>
> What I know of my great-grandmother: Maria
> Guadalupe Vaca Velazquez was born 12 DEC 1882
> (However, the date may have been changed because she
> did not want it known that she was older than Great
> grandpa Lorenzo Gutierrez.) She was born in
> Portezuelo, Jalisco. She died 11 MAY 1965. My
> great grandfather’s family were from Ocotlan,
> Jalisco but I am not sure whether he was born in
> Ocotlan or Portezuelo. A live relative told me
> that he was born in Portezuelo and I would like to
> know for sure. They were married in Jamay 26
> November 1902. My Great grandpa died March 1939.
>
> His father was Secundino Gutierrez married to Maria
> Juana Ruiz on 5 SEP 1855 in Zapotlan del Rey,
> Jalisco. His family were also from there.
>
> Rosendo Vaca married Anastacia Velazquez at
> Portezuelo, Jalisco. Rosendo was shot and killed
> before my great grandma was born. Anastacia later
> remarried with some one named Cerda. I have other
> details but I am visiting my dauther in Virginia at
> the present time.
>
> Maria Dolores Davila Diaz was born in Sayula,
> Jalisco around 1869. Her father was Teofilo Diaz,
> born 9 JAN 1834, in Sayula. Hw was married 25 SEP
> 1854. Her mother was Maria Davila. I have her
> brothers and sisters but again I have the info at
> home.
>
> I am happy to share whatever information I have.
>
> –Esther Jordan

Daniel,
After you sent me the information of my 5th generation grandfather, I found a brother of his. I visited the Genealogy Library in Bonita and with the help from Patricia B. Godinez and some films that are on permanent status from La Barca and Portezuelo I found the info and also found Antonio Lopez’ father and mother. Thank you for guiding me to where I am now! I am really excited about this!

-Esther Jordan (Lopez)

Im 100% I found your ancestor Rafael Lopez.
JOSE RAFAEL LOPEZ AGUILAR
Pedigree

Male

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

19 APR 1833
La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
ANTONIO LOPEZ
Family

Mother:
LUGARDA AGUILAR

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or
christening date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

C606056
1828 – 1836
0281023
Film
NONE

Sheet:

-Daniel MDC
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