It is hard to find. I located a library in Texas with a copy. but they were not willing to let it out of their state on an inter library loan.
But they were kind enough to copy the ten pages of chapter 58, capitulo 58.
It is hard to find. I located a library in Texas with a copy. but they were not willing to let it out of their state on an inter library loan.
But they were kind enough to copy the ten pages of chapter 58, capitulo 58.
The descent of Petronila Moctezuma and Martin Navarro down through both of their daughters.
The chapter corroborates Petronila’s descent from the emperor of the Aztecs. Something I’ve been looking for for years.
I also have Petronila’s marriage record as compiled by Jaime Holcombe. Further proof of her imperial descent.
I would be gald to email my scans to you so everyone can view this valuable material.
And, in hopes that others will contribute what they have and know about Petronila Moctezuma.
My cause celebre!
Ernie
I would love to see what Jaime Holcomb complied on Petronila. Have you seen
the book “Moctezuma’s Children, Aztec Royalty Under Spanish Rule, 1520-1700”
by Donald E Chipman? It’s a good book, I bought it from University of Texas
Press. It can also be purchased through Amazon.com
Rose
>From:
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogia de Nochistlan
>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 9:19:44 -0700
>
>It is hard to find. I located a library in Texas with a copy. but they were
>not willing to let it out of their state on an inter library loan.
>
>But they were kind enough to copy the ten pages of chapter 58, capitulo 58.
>The descent of Petronila Moctezuma and Martin Navarro down through both of
>their daughters.
>
>The chapter corroborates Petronila’s descent from the emperor of the
>Aztecs. Something I’ve been looking for for years.
>
>I also have Petronila’s marriage record as compiled by Jaime Holcombe.
>Further proof of her imperial descent.
>
>I would be gald to email my scans to you so everyone can view this valuable
>material.
>
>And, in hopes that others will contribute what they have and know about
>Petronila Moctezuma.
>My cause celebre!
>
Ernie
I would love to see what Jaime Holcomb complied on Petronila. Have you seen
the book “Moctezuma’s Children, Aztec Royalty Under Spanish Rule, 1520-1700”
by Donald E Chipman? It’s a good book, I bought it from University of Texas
Press. It can also be purchased through Amazon.com
Rose
>From:
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Genealogia de Nochistlan
>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 9:19:44 -0700
>
>It is hard to find. I located a library in Texas with a copy. but they were
>not willing to let it out of their state on an inter library loan.
>
>But they were kind enough to copy the ten pages of chapter 58, capitulo 58.
>The descent of Petronila Moctezuma and Martin Navarro down through both of
>their daughters.
>
>The chapter corroborates Petronila’s descent from the emperor of the
>Aztecs. Something I’ve been looking for for years.
>
>I also have Petronila’s marriage record as compiled by Jaime Holcombe.
>Further proof of her imperial descent.
>
>I would be gald to email my scans to you so everyone can view this valuable
>material.
>
>And, in hopes that others will contribute what they have and know about
>Petronila Moctezuma.
>My cause celebre!
>
Ernie,
I, too, would love to see those scans. I’ve yet to find actual
lineage from Moctezuma…in all documents her relationship is
mentioned (grandaughter or great-grandaughter of Moctezuma),
but I’ve never seen it actually documented (i.e. names and dates).
Please send what you might have. I am really working to piece
together this family’s life. By the way, do you have any more
information on Lope Ruis de Esparza’s brother, Andres? Would
really appreciate that, too. 🙂
Thanks,
Connie
P.S. I try to do what I can when I’ve got a minute. I’m glad
the “Cartas” information helped a bit. I will try to contribute
more. C.
Connie Dominguez
El Paso, TX, USA
Ernie,
I, too, would love to see those scans. I’ve yet to find actual
lineage from Moctezuma…in all documents her relationship is
mentioned (grandaughter or great-grandaughter of Moctezuma),
but I’ve never seen it actually documented (i.e. names and dates).
Please send what you might have. I am really working to piece
together this family’s life. By the way, do you have any more
information on Lope Ruis de Esparza’s brother, Andres? Would
really appreciate that, too. 🙂
Thanks,
Connie
P.S. I try to do what I can when I’ve got a minute. I’m glad
the “Cartas” information helped a bit. I will try to contribute
more. C.
Connie Dominguez
El Paso, TX, USA
My cousin in Las Vegas sent me an article from the Sunday July 2nd newspaper.
According to the article which was excerpted from a lager story in, I think, the magazine Nature.
We are ALL descended from a single person who was born about five thousand years ago!
And possibly as recently as the time of Christ, 2 millenium ago.
Now that one of you mentioned you have not yet directly established your Moctezuma anestry, I wanted to paraphrase it.
According to this article we are all descended from one royal line, or another.
We are all descended from the people who built the great pyramids of Egypt.
We are all descened from the people who domesticated agriculture.
The concept sounded more like numerology, than geneaology. It discussed how it was a mathematical certainty.
Supposedly, all other human lines died out, and only one survived to this day.
This is a fantastic notion. And I am not sure if I agree with the conclusion. But there you have it.
In esssence, we are all the children of Moctezuma.
My cousin in Las Vegas sent me an article from the Sunday July 2nd newspaper.
According to the article which was excerpted from a lager story in, I think, the magazine Nature.
We are ALL descended from a single person who was born about five thousand years ago!
And possibly as recently as the time of Christ, 2 millenium ago.
Now that one of you mentioned you have not yet directly established your Moctezuma anestry, I wanted to paraphrase it.
According to this article we are all descended from one royal line, or another.
We are all descended from the people who built the great pyramids of Egypt.
We are all descened from the people who domesticated agriculture.
The concept sounded more like numerology, than geneaology. It discussed how it was a mathematical certainty.
Supposedly, all other human lines died out, and only one survived to this day.
This is a fantastic notion. And I am not sure if I agree with the conclusion. But there you have it.
In esssence, we are all the children of Moctezuma.
I think I read it. I’ve read so many books on the topic. I didn’t find Petronila mentioned in it.
Have a good weekend.
–
I think I read it. I’ve read so many books on the topic. I didn’t find Petronila mentioned in it.
Have a good weekend.
–
Hey Ernie:
I am opening a discussion subject.
I am sorry, but I can’t agree with your statement that: “In essence, we are
all children of Moctezuma”
Moctezuma lived in the 15th century. What about all the people before him?
There is no way that they were descendents of Moctezuma! There were a lot
of Spaniards during the “Conquista” that did not get “involved” with the
Moctezumas. Yes, we might all be descendents of a single person who was born
five thousand years ago, Moctezuma was one of those descendents, but not
everybody descends from Moctezuma. Just take a look at some of the “Nuestros
Ranchos” genealogy files.
John Gonzalez
gnzlz@verizon.net
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Hey Ernie:
I am opening a discussion subject.
I am sorry, but I can’t agree with your statement that: “In essence, we are
all children of Moctezuma”
Moctezuma lived in the 15th century. What about all the people before him?
There is no way that they were descendents of Moctezuma! There were a lot
of Spaniards during the “Conquista” that did not get “involved” with the
Moctezumas. Yes, we might all be descendents of a single person who was born
five thousand years ago, Moctezuma was one of those descendents, but not
everybody descends from Moctezuma. Just take a look at some of the “Nuestros
Ranchos” genealogy files.
John Gonzalez
gnzlz@verizon.net
——————————————————————————————————————-
On 7/15/06, John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> Hey Ernie:
>
> I am opening a discussion subject.
>
> I am sorry, but I can’t agree with your statement that: “In essence, we
> are
> all children of Moctezuma”
> Moctezuma lived in the 15th century. What about all the people before
> him?
> There is no way that they were descendents of Moctezuma! There were a lot
> of Spaniards during the “Conquista” that did not get “involved” with the
> Moctezumas. Yes, we might all be descendents of a single person who was
> born
> five thousand years ago, Moctezuma was one of those descendents, but not
> everybody descends from Moctezuma. Just take a look at some of the
> “Nuestros
> Ranchos” genealogy files.
>
> John Gonzalez
> gnzlz@verizon.net
>
I think the article Ernie refers to is the following:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201908,00.html
On 7/15/06, John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> Hey Ernie:
>
> I am opening a discussion subject.
>
> I am sorry, but I can’t agree with your statement that: “In essence, we
> are
> all children of Moctezuma”
> Moctezuma lived in the 15th century. What about all the people before
> him?
> There is no way that they were descendents of Moctezuma! There were a lot
> of Spaniards during the “Conquista” that did not get “involved” with the
> Moctezumas. Yes, we might all be descendents of a single person who was
> born
> five thousand years ago, Moctezuma was one of those descendents, but not
> everybody descends from Moctezuma. Just take a look at some of the
> “Nuestros
> Ranchos” genealogy files.
>
> John Gonzalez
> gnzlz@verizon.net
>
I think the article Ernie refers to is the following:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201908,00.html
Ernie,
Have you linked with the Senhors de Alderete?
D. Guterre Alderete de Silva (abt 1040) and D. Gomes Pais da Silva.
Pat
Ernie,
Have you linked with the Senhors de Alderete?
D. Guterre Alderete de Silva (abt 1040) and D. Gomes Pais da Silva.
Pat
