thanks for the Castanedas from Aguas. . .I’ll have to dig in there one
day for a good long search. . .one day.
Well could it be that there are testigos associated with the groom and
testigos associated with the bride.
with the groom: Luis de Raigoza and Diego Mojarro then there is a “;”
then the bride is listed Francisca Ana Miramontes and her testigos: Ju
Visente Gonzales, Ju Jose Gonzales, Dn Xabier Sesati . . .actually no
thats not true or hard to beleive.
Well maybe not associated with the bride and groom but with “Fueron
Testigos de su libertad y solteria” for the first batch of testigos and
then for the second batch of testigos: “Fueron Testigos de la selebrasion.”
interesting document though. . .I want to believe that the bride is
Francisca, but maybe she was a testigo in the midst of 5 male testigos.
joseph
ps: I bet you this would be a great record for Professor George Ryskamp
to sort out. He’s probably seen it before.
arturoramos wrote:
>Looks like the priest forgot to mention the name of the bride…
>
>As best as I can paleograph it…
>
>En la yglesia parroquial de Tlaltenango en primero de junio de mil setecientos treinta yo… case y vele… en tiempo debido a Luis de Castaneda coyote originario de la villa de Aguascalientes y vecino de esta feligresia a mas tiempo de seis anos, hijo de Diego de Castaneda y de Refugio??? Ynnoz??? fueron testigos de su libertad y solteria Luis de Raigoza, Diego Mojarro y Francisca Ana de Miramontes su…
thanks for the Castanedas from Aguas. . .I’ll have to dig in there one
day for a good long search. . .one day.
Well could it be that there are testigos associated with the groom and
testigos associated with the bride.
with the groom: Luis de Raigoza and Diego Mojarro then there is a “;”
then the bride is listed Francisca Ana Miramontes and her testigos: Ju
Visente Gonzales, Ju Jose Gonzales, Dn Xabier Sesati . . .actually no
thats not true or hard to beleive.
Well maybe not associated with the bride and groom but with “Fueron
Testigos de su libertad y solteria” for the first batch of testigos and
then for the second batch of testigos: “Fueron Testigos de la selebrasion.”
interesting document though. . .I want to believe that the bride is
Francisca, but maybe she was a testigo in the midst of 5 male testigos.
joseph
ps: I bet you this would be a great record for Professor George Ryskamp
to sort out. He’s probably seen it before.
arturoramos wrote:
>Looks like the priest forgot to mention the name of the bride…
>
>As best as I can paleograph it…
>
>En la yglesia parroquial de Tlaltenango en primero de junio de mil setecientos treinta yo… case y vele… en tiempo debido a Luis de Castaneda coyote originario de la villa de Aguascalientes y vecino de esta feligresia a mas tiempo de seis anos, hijo de Diego de Castaneda y de Refugio??? Ynnoz??? fueron testigos de su libertad y solteria Luis de Raigoza, Diego Mojarro y Francisca Ana de Miramontes su…
Recently, while reading a marriage record, believe it was 1700’s, I came upon “Morisco Libre”. I did not find the term in my “Handy-dandy guide”. Could this possibly be the name of the local “Indos”?
Enlightenment’s appreciated. Helyn
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Doesn’t that mean Free Moor????
joseph
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> Enlightenment’s appreciated. Helyn
>
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Recently, while reading a marriage record, believe it was 1700’s, I came upon “Morisco Libre”. I did not find the term in my “Handy-dandy guide”. Could this possibly be the name of the local “Indos”?
Enlightenment’s appreciated. Helyn
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Doesn’t that mean Free Moor????
joseph
Santos Luna wrote:
>Recently, while reading a marriage record, believe it was 1700’s, I came upon “Morisco Libre”. I did not find the term in my “Handy-dandy guide”. Could this possibly be the name of the local “Indos”?
> Enlightenment’s appreciated. Helyn
>
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My FHC guide for Latin America has Morisco = Indian, African and Caucasian. In Spain: baptized Moor.
Santos Luna wrote:
Recently, while reading a marriage record, believe it was 1700’s, I came upon “Morisco Libre”. I did not find the term in my “Handy-dandy guide”. Could this possibly be the name of the local “Indos”?
Enlightenment’s appreciated. Helyn
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My FHC guide for Latin America has Morisco = Indian, African and Caucasian. In Spain: baptized Moor.
Santos Luna wrote:
Recently, while reading a marriage record, believe it was 1700’s, I came upon “Morisco Libre”. I did not find the term in my “Handy-dandy guide”. Could this possibly be the name of the local “Indos”?
Enlightenment’s appreciated. Helyn
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Patricia and Helyn,
Additionaly “libre” would be free, not a slave.
Alicia
My FHC guide for Latin America has Morisco = Indian, African and Caucasian. In Spain: baptized Moor.
Santos Luna wrote:
Recently, while reading a marriage record, believe it was 1700’s, I came upon “Morisco Libre”. I did not find the term in my “Handy-dandy guide”. Could this possibly be the name of the local “Indos”?
Enlightenment’s appreciated. Helyn
Patricia and Helyn,
Additionaly “libre” would be free, not a slave.
Alicia
My FHC guide for Latin America has Morisco = Indian, African and Caucasian. In Spain: baptized Moor.
Santos Luna wrote:
Recently, while reading a marriage record, believe it was 1700’s, I came upon “Morisco Libre”. I did not find the term in my “Handy-dandy guide”. Could this possibly be the name of the local “Indos”?
Enlightenment’s appreciated. Helyn
As usual….very late in my response!
The following is a short description from Omniglot.com
of what a Morisco is. Of course with “Libre” added
on, I would assume that they were referring to Muslims
freely practice Islam.
“The Moriscos (Spanish for “Moor-like”) were Muslims
in Spain and Portugal how were forced to convert to
Christianity at the beginning of the 16th century.
Many Moriscos continued to practice Islam, most in
secret, but some did so openly. A decree issued by
King Felipe II in 1566 obliged the Moriscos to adopt
Spanish language, dress and customs. A number of
unsuccessful rebellions of the Moriscos led to them
being relocated from Granada to other parts of Spain,
particularly Castile. At the beginning of the 17th
century the Moriscos were expelled from Spain to
Algeria, Tunisia, and Morocco.”
Hope this helps Helyn!
-Esther
As usual….very late in my response!
The following is a short description from Omniglot.com
of what a Morisco is. Of course with “Libre” added
on, I would assume that they were referring to Muslims
freely practice Islam.
“The Moriscos (Spanish for “Moor-like”) were Muslims
in Spain and Portugal how were forced to convert to
Christianity at the beginning of the 16th century.
Many Moriscos continued to practice Islam, most in
secret, but some did so openly. A decree issued by
King Felipe II in 1566 obliged the Moriscos to adopt
Spanish language, dress and customs. A number of
unsuccessful rebellions of the Moriscos led to them
being relocated from Granada to other parts of Spain,
particularly Castile. At the beginning of the 17th
century the Moriscos were expelled from Spain to
Algeria, Tunisia, and Morocco.”
Hope this helps Helyn!
-Esther
For “morisco libre” I found two possible meanings: someone who is a child of
a mulatto father and a Spanish mother or a “freed Moor” in contrast to a
slave Moor.
Maybe someone can confirm or correct me on this?
On 7/6/06, Esther Valencia wrote:
>
> As usual….very late in my response!
>
> The following is a short description from Omniglot.com
> of what a Morisco is. Of course with “Libre” added
> on, I would assume that they were referring to Muslims
> freely practice Islam.
>
> “The Moriscos (Spanish for “Moor-like”) were Muslims
> in Spain and Portugal how were forced to convert to
> Christianity at the beginning of the 16th century.
> Many Moriscos continued to practice Islam, most in
> secret, but some did so openly. A decree issued by
> King Felipe II in 1566 obliged the Moriscos to adopt
> Spanish language, dress and customs.
>
For “morisco libre” I found two possible meanings: someone who is a child of
a mulatto father and a Spanish mother or a “freed Moor” in contrast to a
slave Moor.
Maybe someone can confirm or correct me on this?
On 7/6/06, Esther Valencia wrote:
>
> As usual….very late in my response!
>
> The following is a short description from Omniglot.com
> of what a Morisco is. Of course with “Libre” added
> on, I would assume that they were referring to Muslims
> freely practice Islam.
>
> “The Moriscos (Spanish for “Moor-like”) were Muslims
> in Spain and Portugal how were forced to convert to
> Christianity at the beginning of the 16th century.
> Many Moriscos continued to practice Islam, most in
> secret, but some did so openly. A decree issued by
> King Felipe II in 1566 obliged the Moriscos to adopt
> Spanish language, dress and customs.
>
I believe you are correct, Victor. Marge:)
On Jul 6, 2006, at 10:32 PM, victor villarreal wrote:
> For “morisco libre” I found two possible meanings: someone who is a
> child of
> a mulatto father and a Spanish mother or a “freed Moor” in contrast to
> a
> slave Moor.
>
> Maybe someone can confirm or correct me on this?
>
>
> On 7/6/06, Esther Valencia wrote:
>>
>> As usual….very late in my response!
>>
>> The following is a short description from Omniglot.com
>> of what a Morisco is. Of course with “Libre” added
>> on, I would assume that they were referring to Muslims
>> freely practice Islam.
>>
>> “The Moriscos (Spanish for “Moor-like”) were Muslims
>> in Spain and Portugal how were forced to convert to
>> Christianity at the beginning of the 16th century.
>> Many Moriscos continued to practice Islam, most in
>> secret, but some did so openly. A decree issued by
>> King Felipe II in 1566 obliged the Moriscos to adopt
>> Spanish language, dress and customs.
>>
