Hi Rick,
The parents of Josefa López de la Cerda were Agustín López de la Cerda and Lucía Rodríguez de Victoria, married 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosí, SLP. Her paternal grandparents (abuelos paternos) were Francisco López and Francisca de los Angeles, and her maternal grandparents (abuelos maternos) Antonio Rodríguez and Catalina de Victoria, married 1 Jun 1601 in Pátzcuaro, Michoacán. [Source: Genealogía de Nochistlán Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII según sus Archivos Parroquiales, by José Luis Vázquez Rodríguez de Frías]
Josefa López de la Cerda married Isidro Martín de Sotomayor, her brother Agustín López de la Cerda (el mozo) married María de Isla y Sotomayor, and her sister Simona López de la Cerda married Nicolás Martín de Sotomayor. Isidro, María and Nicolás were brothers and sisters. Both Isidro and Nicolás used their father’s surname “Martín de Sotomayor” while their sister María preferred “de Isla y Sotomayor”.
The answer to your question is YES, Josefa López de la Cerda and her siblings married Martínez de Sotomayor Isla siblings. I did not find the surname Ramírez in this family.
BILL FIGUEROA
Bill,
Thank you so much for sharing all this wonderful information with me.
As I have stated before researching my husband’s Mexican ancestry has been a challenge, but I am determined to give it my full attention as I have done with researching my own Portuguese roots.
Thank you for the complete translation of the various documents in this Simona De Silva exchange.
When trying to locate the baptismal record of Macario de Espitia I became lost when viewing what I thought were Baptism records when so many of the records were actually marriages.
Armando did locate the record link and from there I was able to view the document.
I have printed out the complete translation that you have provided and will use it as a training tool.
Off Topic – My maternal Portuguese line links directly with a Dom Raimundo Garcia Portocarreiro, he is my 24th GGF born about 1090… Other surnames that you mentioned Da Valos (of France) and Saavedra also appear in my maternal ancestry,.
Once again, your willing to share has been greatly appreciated!
Pat Silva Corbera
Thank you Bill
I looked up the info that you provided in Jose Luis s book. It felt great to add a couple more generations to my tree.
Thanks again. Rick A Ricci.
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On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:01 AM, “Bill Figueroa” wrote:
> Hi Rick,
>
> The parents of Josefa López de la Cerda were Agustín López de la Cerda and Lucía Rodríguez de Victoria, married 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosí, SLP. Her paternal grandparents (abuelos paternos) were Francisco López and Francisca de los Angeles, and her maternal grandparents (abuelos maternos) Antonio Rodríguez and Catalina de Victoria, married 1 Jun 1601 in Pátzcuaro, Michoacán. [Source: Genealogía de Nochistlán Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII según sus Archivos Parroquiales, by José Luis Vázquez Rodríguez de Frías]
>
> Josefa López de la Cerda married Isidro Martín de Sotomayor, her brother Agustín López de la Cerda (el mozo) married María de Isla y Sotomayor, and her sister Simona López de la Cerda married Nicolás Martín de Sotomayor. Isidro, María and Nicolás were brothers and sisters. Both Isidro and Nicolás used their father’s surname “Martín de Sotomayor” while their sister María preferred “de Isla y Sotomayor”.
>
> The answer to your question is YES, Josefa López de la Cerda and her siblings married Martínez de Sotomayor Isla siblings. I did not find the surname Ramírez in this family.
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
There is a Maria Magdalena Lozano Martinez aka maria martinez lozano married to a Miguel Lopez de la cerda that fits the timeframe in Aguascalientes.
R A Ricci
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On Feb 27, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Juan Aguayo wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> Now that the Lopez de la Cerda have been brought into this conversation I
> wanted to ask if you or anyone in the NR forum has any information on the
> grandparents of Phelipe Lopez De La Serda Marin , who married Juan Perez de
> Frias Flores on May 29 1749 (vecinos de Rio Chico, Teocaltiche). I have
> Phelipe’s parents listed as Matheo Lopez de la Serda and Jacinta Marin.
> Does anyone have information on Matheo and Jacinta’s lineage?
>
> Thanks and I look forward to your response.
>
> Regards,
> Juan Aguayo
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Bill Figueroa wrote:
>
>> Pat,
>>
>> I have not traced Juana Gonzalez (aka Juana de la Cerda) lineage to
>> determine whether or not she is a descendant of the De la Cerda nobles that
>> descend from Fernando de la Cerda, Infante d’Castile, and his wife Branca
>> de Francia. I have found the compounded surname López de la Cerda in early
>> records of Aguascalientes, San Luis Potosí and Jalisco. The earliest in my
>> database is Agustín López de la Cerda, who married Lucía Rodríguez de
>> Victoria 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosí. His son Agustín López de la Cerda
>> (el mozo) married María de Isla y Sotomayor 3 June 1667 in Aguascalientes.
>> His daughter Josepha López de la Cerda married Isidro Martín de Sotomayor,
>> probably in Aguascalientes, and Simona López de la Cerda married Nicolás
>> Martín de Sotomayor in Teocaltiche. Simona and Nicolás lived in Sierra de
>> Pinos and had children in Aguascalientes. So far I have not tried to link
>> Juana de la Cerda to these families, but I feel that she was probably
>> related.
>>
>> My ancestor Don Luis de la Cerda y Tapia arrived in Nicaragua with the
>> entourage of Spaniards that accompanied the new Governor and Captain
>> General Don Rodrigo de Contreras y de la Hoz in November 1535 [Catálogo de
>> Pasajeros a Indias, Archivo General de Indias, Ed. 1942]. He was the son
>> of Melchor de la Cerda and Catalina de Tapia, residents of Segovia. His
>> descendants played an important role in ruling Central America during
>> colonial times. As you probably know, the Audiencia de Guatemala, like the
>> Audiencia de Nueva Galicia, formed part of the Nueva España. It
>> encompassed the Central American countries of Guatemala, el Salvador,
>> Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica and the Mexican states of Chiapas and
>> Tabasco. As far as I know, the de la Cerdas from Central America were not
>> related to those in the Nueva Galicia.
>>
>> An interesting note, in his book “Rivers of Gold. The rise of the Spanish
>> Empire”, Hugh Thomas wrote: “A third family that began to rival the Guzmáns
>> and the Ponces de León in the fifteen century (in Spain) were the de la
>> Cerdas, royal counts and then dukes of Medinaceli, lords of El Puerto de
>> Santa María. A palace of the Medinacelis, the Casa de Pilatos, remains a
>> center of both attention and affection. Other families who played a great
>> part in Seville despite connection elsewhere were the Portocarreros, the
>> Zúñigas, the Dávalos, the Saavedras, and, increasingly, the Afans de
>> Riveras.”
>>
>> BILL FIGUEROA
