Abram Flores
thanks for this info George appreciate it alot.
Abram Flores
can you tell me who are these gg-grandparents and the line that connects them to the bride and groom.?please thanks.
Estimados colegas y primos,
Desde un principio me interesó esta discusión sobre la familia Armas, pero ahora que analizo cuidadosamente el acta de Felipe Armas y Leonarda Lozano, puedo establecer que los dos están emparentados conmigo. Yo desciendo de Juan José de Armas y de Rosa María de Aguirre, tronco común de estos Armas aquí en discusión. También conecto con otras familias de Nochistlán, como los Durán, Armas, Aguirre, Yáñez, Juárez, Lozano, Sandoval, etc. contenidas en está genealogía.
Me puse a investigar un poco en FamilySearch y en mis archivos, y establecí que en realidad Felipe Armas y Leonarda Lozano estaban ligados por sangre, pero no por un parentesco de consanguinidad de cuarto grado igual, sino por dos. O sea que eran primos terceros por dos líneas, aunque en la investigación de la información matrimonial solo salió a luz un parentesco. Los troncos comunes de ellos eran: (1) Nicolás de Aguirre y Ma. Felipa Contreras [casados el 20 de mayo de 1744]; y (2) Joseph María Pérez Sotelo y María García [casados el primero de octubre de 1755, en Nochistlán]. Los parentescos se pueden resumir de la siguiente forma:
TRONCO
Nicolás de Aguirre y Felipa Contreras
Rosa Ma. Aguirre……..1…….Joaquín Aguirre
Luciano Armas………..2……Ma. Remigia Aguirre
Antonio Armas……..3………..Cérbulo Lozano
Felipe Armas……..4……….Leonarda Lozano
TRONCO
Joseph María Pérez Sotelo y María García
Ignacio Pérez……..1……..Ma. Deseana Pérez
Ma. Refugio Pérez…..2……Ma. Sebastiana Yáñez
Antonio Armas……..3………Ma. Luisa Durán
Felipe Armas……..4………Leonarda Lozano
Es necesario informarles entonces que Manuel Lozano y María Agustina de Aguayo no son tronco común para esta pareja, como se había aseverado anteriormente. Pero sí son los abuelos paternos de Cérbulo Lozano, padre de Leonarda Lozano.
Steven Francisco Hernández López
Yo ya había enviado un mensaje corrigiendo mi error de decir que Manuel
Lozano y María Agustina de Aguayo son el tronco común de Felipe Armas y
Leonarda Lozano. Tengo a Manuel Lozano y María Agustina de Aguayo como el
tronco común de Margarito Armas y Macedonia Jauregui Glz. A la vez tengo a
Nicolás de Aguirre y Felipa Contreras como otro tronco común de Felipe
Armas y Leonarda Lozano. Esto es lo que yo tengo después de haber revisado
las imágenes de los registros de matrimonio de las siguientes personas.
Tronco Nicolás de Aguirre and Felipa Contreras
María Rosa de Aguirre….1…Joaquín de Aguirre
Luciano de Armas……….2…María Remigia de Aguirre
Antonio de Armas……….3…Serbulo Lozano
Felipe Armas……………..4…Leonarda Lozano
Tronco Manuel Lozano y María Agustina de Aguayo
Jose María Lozano…1…María Calista Lozano
Serbulo Lozano…….2…Jacinta Aguirre
Leonarda Lozano….3….Francisca Glz
Margarito Armas…..4….Macedonia Jauregui
Cuando di el tronco incorrecto era para explicar que no era necesario
encontrar la dispensa para saber como estaban emparentados Felipe Armas y
Leonarda Lozano y para que la persona que esta buscando a sus ancestros
dedicara el tiempo en buscar los registros de bautismo y de matrimonio por
la razón que es principiante en esto y por lo mismo tiene mucha dificultad
en sus búsquedas. Le sería demasiado difícil buscar la dispensa en esta
etapa de su aprendizaje. Ya después de buscar todos los registros posibles
y no encontrar el tronco común es cuando seria necesario buscar la dispensa
para dar con el tronco y ojala ya habrá aprendido leer los documentos con
mayor facilidad.
Armando
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 4:50 AM, wrote:
> Estimados colegas y primos,
>
> Desde un principio me interesó esta discusión sobre la familia Armas, pero
> ahora que analizo cuidadosamente el acta de Felipe Armas y Leonarda Lozano,
> puedo establecer que los dos están emparentados conmigo. Yo desciendo de
> Juan José de Armas y de Rosa María de Aguirre, tronco común de estos Armas
> aquí en discusión. También conecto con otras familias de Nochistlán, como
> los Durán, Armas, Yáñez, Juárez, Lozano, Sandoval, etc. contenidas en está
> genealogía.
> Me puse a investigar un poco en FamilySearch y en mis archivos, y
> establecí que en realidad Felipe Armas y Leonarda Lozano tenían un
> parentesco de consanguinidad de cuarto grado igual, o sea que eran primos
> terceros. El tronco común de ellos eran Joseph María Pérez Sotelo y María
> García [casados el primero de octubre de 1755, en Nochistlán]. El
> parentesco se puede resumir de la siguiente forma:
>
> TRONCO
> Joseph María Pérez Sotelo y María García Ignacio
> Pérez……..1……..Ma. Deseana Pérez
> Ma. Refugio Pérez……2……Ma. Sebastiana Yáñez
> Antonio Armas……..3………Ma. Luisa Durán
> Felipe Armas……..4………**Leonarda Lozano
>
> Es necesario informarles entonces que Manuel Lozano y María Agustina de
> Aguayo no son el tronco común de esta pareja, como se había aseverado
> anteriormente.
>
> Steven Francisco Hernández López
Abram Flores
sorry to ask but can you please put them like in order like this individuals father is or this individuals husband or wife is name them.
Hi Abram,
I think that:
TRONCO
Nicolás de Aguirre y Felipa Contreras
Rosa Ma. Aguirre……..1…….Joaquín Aguirre
Luciano Armas………..2……Ma. Remigia Aguirre
Antonio Armas……..3………..Cérbulo Lozano
Felipe Armas……..4……….Leonarda Lozano
Means:
4 Groom: Felipe Armas
3 His father: Antonio Armas
2 His Grandfather: Luciano Armas
1 His G-grandmother: Rosa Ma. Aguirre
His GG-grandparents: Nicolás de Aguirre y Felipa Contreras
4 Bride: Leonarda Lozano
3 Her father: Cérbulo Lozano
2 Her grandmother: Ma. Remigia Aguirre
1 Her G-grandfather: Joaquín Aguirre
Her GG-grandparents: Nicolás de Aguirre y Felipa Contreras
Doing the same for the second chart should give you the other branch with Joseph María Pérez Sotelo y María García as gg-grandparents of bride and groom:
Joseph María Pérez Sotelo y María García
Ignacio Pérez……..1……..Ma. Deseana Pérez
Ma. Refugio Pérez…..2……Ma. Sebastiana Yáñez
Antonio Armas……..3………Ma. Luisa Durán
Felipe Armas……..4………Leonarda Lozano
Regards,
Victoriano Navarro
Abram,
You will find them once you use the procedures we have explained in
previous messages.
Armando
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:36 AM, wrote:
> Abram Flores
> sorry to ask but can you please put them like in order like this
> individuals father is or this individuals husband or wife is name them.
I must admit I got lost in following the exchange between Abram Flores and Ranchos Members.
It wasn’t until Armando’s correction posting that I realized that Nicolas Yanes de Aguirre and Phelipa/Felipa Maria Gonzalez Contreras are my husband’s (Florentino/Tino Corbera) 4th Great Grandparents.
I have the following:
Nicolas and Phelipa parents of 7 children – (1) Juan Francisco Contreras Aguirre (2) Maria Josepha Gonzalez Aguirre (3) Rosa Maria Contreras Aguirre (4) Maria Gertrudis Contreras Aguirre (5) Maria Salome Contreras Aguirre (6) Joseph Joaquin Aguirre and (7) Joseph Leonicio Contreras Aguirre.
Child # (6) Joseph Joaquin Aguirre and child # (7) Joseph Leonicio Contreras Aguirre are Tino’s 3rd GGFathers.
Child # (6) descends to Tino’s Maternal Great Grandmother Maria Aniseta Losano Aguirre and her second marriage to Jose Victoriano Rodriguez Perez, their son Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez is Tino’s maternal Grandfather (Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez married Maria Andrea Aguirre Andrade, they the parents of Maria Refugio Perez born 4 July 1903 Rancho Jabonera, Nochistlan, Zacatecas, who is Tinos’ mother).
Child # (7) Joseph Leonicio Aguirre Contreras is also Tino’s 3rd GGF married to Juana Maria Perez Garcia, they the parents of (Jose Timoteo Aguirre married to Maria Ambrosia Placencia, parents of Maria Senovia Aguirre, Tino’s Great-Grandmother and her second husband Juan Nepomuceno Delgadillo Andrade). Maria Senovia and Juan Nepomuceno parents of Maria Hilaria Aguirre Andrade and Maria Andrea Aguirre Andrade. Maria Andrea Aguirre Andrade is Tino’s maternal Grandmother. She and her husband Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez share common ancestry via Nicolas Yanes de Aguirre and Phelipa/Felipa Maria Gonzalez Contreras…
My PAF software program relationship calculator lists them as spouses as well as 3rd cousins…
Maria Andrea Aguirre ANDRADE (mtDNA) and Jose Fernando Aguirre PEREZ are 3rd cousins. Their common ancestors are Nicolas Yanes de AGUIRRE and Phelipa Maria Gonzalez CONTRERAS.
To date I have not located a marriage record for Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez and Maria Andrea Aguirre Andrade. I do have copies of their death records from Susanville Lassen County CA. USA.
Do in part to spelling variations I missed Abram Flores’ question about “who is Manuel Lozano and Maria Agustina de Aguallo?”
This couple I have in my PAF as Jose Manuel Torres Losano and Maria Agustina de Aguayo.
They are also Tino’s ancestors…
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA
—– Original Message —–
From: “Armando”
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:52:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The groom’s father
I just realized I gave you the wrong ones. The correct ones that are the
common ancestors of Felipe Armas and Leonarda Lozano are Nicolás de Aguirre
and Felipa Contreras. Manuel Lozano and Maria Agustina de Aguallo would
have caused a need for a dispensa in 4th degree of Margarito Armas Lozano
and Macedonia Jauregui Aguirre.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:11 PM, wrote:
> Abram Flores
> who is manuel lozano and maria agustina de aguallo?
>
Isn’t that amazing. Abram’s persistence has caused two people in the group to look seriously at the genealogical information and now they’ve found a family connection……….I love it!!
Our ancestors speak to us in whatever form is necessary to get our attention.
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
________________________________
From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The groom’s father
I must admit I got lost in following the exchange between Abram Flores and Ranchos Members.
It wasn’t until Armando’s correction posting that I realized that Nicolas Yanes de Aguirre and Phelipa/Felipa Maria Gonzalez Contreras are my husband’s (Florentino/Tino Corbera) 4th Great Grandparents.
I have the following:
Nicolas and Phelipa parents of 7 children – (1) Juan Francisco Contreras Aguirre (2) Maria Josepha Gonzalez Aguirre (3) Rosa Maria Contreras Aguirre (4) Maria Gertrudis Contreras Aguirre (5) Maria Salome Contreras Aguirre (6) Joseph Joaquin Aguirre and (7) Joseph Leonicio Contreras Aguirre.
Child # (6) Joseph Joaquin Aguirre and child # (7) Joseph Leonicio Contreras Aguirre are Tino’s 3rd GGFathers.
Child # (6) descends to Tino’s Maternal Great Grandmother Maria Aniseta Losano Aguirre and her second marriage to Jose Victoriano Rodriguez Perez, their son Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez is Tino’s maternal Grandfather (Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez married Maria Andrea Aguirre Andrade, they the parents of Maria Refugio Perez born 4 July 1903 Rancho Jabonera, Nochistlan, Zacatecas, who is Tinos’ mother).
Child # (7) Joseph Leonicio Aguirre Contreras is also Tino’s 3rd GGF married to Juana Maria Perez Garcia, they the parents of (Jose Timoteo Aguirre married to Maria Ambrosia Placencia, parents of Maria Senovia Aguirre, Tino’s Great-Grandmother and her second husband Juan Nepomuceno Delgadillo Andrade). Maria Senovia and Juan Nepomuceno parents of Maria Hilaria Aguirre Andrade and Maria Andrea Aguirre Andrade. Maria Andrea Aguirre Andrade is Tino’s maternal Grandmother. She and her husband Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez share common ancestry via Nicolas Yanes de Aguirre and Phelipa/Felipa Maria Gonzalez Contreras…
My PAF software program relationship calculator lists them as spouses as well as 3rd cousins…
Maria Andrea Aguirre ANDRADE (mtDNA) and Jose Fernando Aguirre PEREZ are 3rd cousins. Their common ancestors are Nicolas Yanes de AGUIRRE and Phelipa Maria Gonzalez CONTRERAS.
To date I have not located a marriage record for Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez and Maria Andrea Aguirre Andrade. I do have copies of their death records from Susanville Lassen County CA. USA.
Do in part to spelling variations I missed Abram Flores’ question about “who is Manuel Lozano and Maria Agustina de Aguallo?”
This couple I have in my PAF as Jose Manuel Torres Losano and Maria Agustina de Aguayo.
They are also Tino’s ancestors…
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA
—– Original Message —–
From: “Armando”
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:52:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The groom’s father
I just realized I gave you the wrong ones. The correct ones that are the
common ancestors of Felipe Armas and Leonarda Lozano are Nicolás de Aguirre
and Felipa Contreras. Manuel Lozano and Maria Agustina de Aguallo would
have caused a need for a dispensa in 4th degree of Margarito Armas Lozano
and Macedonia Jauregui Aguirre.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:11 PM, wrote:
> Abram Flores
> who is manuel lozano and maria agustina de aguallo?
>
Hello Steven,
First of all I would like to say that I do not speak Spanish, and my Spanish reading skills are very limited to say the least.
By using Webster’s 21st Century Spanish/English Dictionary and applying what I call “common sense,” I tend to get the basic meaning of the postings written in Spanish.
Steven, your posting was a challenge for me and any corrections in my translation/understand of it will be greatly appreciate.
At first I didn’t think this Armas/Lozano discussion applied to my husband (Tino’s) ancestry, but as stated in my previous email I later found a common ancestry connection to various individuals being mentioned.
I believe your posting states you are a descendant/desciendo, of Juan Jose de Armas and of Rosa Maria de Aguirre, and that this “trunk,” is common to the Armas in discussion.
My husband (Tino) also has a strong connection with ancestors/family from Nochislan, one being Rosa Maria de Aguirre, who is Tino’s 3rd GreatGrand-Aunt, bapt 22 March 1752.
The only information I have for Rosa, is that she is the daughter of Nicolas Yanes de Aguirre and Phelipa Maria Gonzalez Contreras.
Here’s where I need help… Is Juan Jose de Armas the spouse of Rosa Maria de Aguirre, and if so, what is the source of that information and the names of their offspring.?.
Are you saying that Felipe Armas and Leonarda Lozano are related/sharing common ancestry in the 4th degree, and are 3rd cousins (?) and that the common ancestry/trunk is Joseph Maria Perez Sotelo and Maria Garcia (married 01 Oct 1755 in Nochistlan) ?
Joseph Maria Sotelo Perez and Maria Garcia are my husband’s 4th GGParents. I have only one child noted for them, a Juana Maria Perez Garcia, who married Joseph Leonicio Aguirre Contreras. This couple is my husband’s 3rd GGParents.
Steven, will you please explain the “trunk,” listing that you posted for Joseph Maria Perez Sotelo and Maria Garcia…how is Ignacio Perez related to them as well as the other individuals noted?.
From all this I believe that you and my husband Florentino L. Corbera Jr. are related… not sure to what degree…
Sincerely,
Patricia J. Silva Corbera
—– Original Message —–
From: PacoHernandez73@msn.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 2:50:33 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Parentesco de Consanguinidad en cuarto grado igual
Estimados colegas y primos,
Desde un principio me interesó esta discusión sobre la familia Armas, pero ahora que analizo cuidadosamente el acta de Felipe Armas y Leonarda Lozano, puedo establecer que los dos están emparentados conmigo. Yo desciendo de Juan José de Armas y de Rosa María de Aguirre, tronco común de estos Armas aquí en discusión. También conecto con otras familias de Nochistlán, como los Durán, Armas, Yáñez, Juárez, Lozano, Sandoval, etc. contenidas en está genealogía.
Me puse a investigar un poco en FamilySearch y en mis archivos, y establecí que en realidad Felipe Armas y Leonarda Lozano tenían un parentesco de consanguinidad de cuarto grado igual, o sea que eran primos terceros. El tronco común de ellos eran Joseph María Pérez Sotelo y María García [casados el primero de octubre de 1755, en Nochistlán]. El parentesco se puede resumir de la siguiente forma:
TRONCO
Joseph María Pérez Sotelo y María García
Ignacio Pérez……..1……..Ma. Deseana Pérez
Ma. Refugio Pérez……2……Ma. Sebastiana Yáñez
Antonio Armas……..3………Ma. Luisa Durán
Felipe Armas……..4………Leonarda Lozano
Es necesario informarles entonces que Manuel Lozano y María Agustina de Aguayo no son el tronco común de esta pareja, como se había aseverado anteriormente.
Steven Francisco Hernández López
Hello Steven,
First of all I would like to say that I do not speak Spanish, and my Spanish reading skills are very limited to say the least.
By using Webster’s 21st Century Spanish/English Dictionary and applying what I call “common sense,” I tend to get the basic meaning of the postings written in Spanish.
Steven, your posting was a challenge for me and any corrections in my translation/understand of it will be greatly appreciate.
At first I didn’t think this Armas/Lozano discussion applied to my husband (Tino’s) ancestry, but as stated in my previous email I later found a common ancestry connection to various individuals being mentioned.
I believe your posting states you are a descendant/desciendo, of Juan Jose de Armas and of Rosa Maria de Aguirre, and that this “trunk,” is common to the Armas in discussion.
My husband (Tino) also has a strong connection with ancestors/family from Nochislan, one being Rosa Maria de Aguirre, who is Tino’s 3rd GreatGrand-Aunt, bapt 22 March 1752.
The only information I have for Rosa, is that she is the daughter of Nicolas Yanes de Aguirre and Phelipa Maria Gonzalez Contreras.
Here’s where I need help… Is Juan Jose de Armas the spouse of Rosa Maria de Aguirre, and if so, what is the source of that information and the names of their offspring.?.
Are you saying that Felipe Armas and Leonarda Lozano are related/sharing common ancestry in the 4th degree, and are 3rd cousins (?) and that the common ancestry/trunk is Joseph Maria Perez Sotelo and Maria Garcia (married 01 Oct 1755 in Nochistlan) ?
Joseph Maria Sotelo Perez and Maria Garcia are my husband’s 4th GGParents. I have only one child noted for them, a Juana Maria Perez Garcia, who married Joseph Leonicio Aguirre Contreras. This couple is my husband’s 3rd GGParents.
Steven, will you please explain the “trunk,” listing that you posted for Joseph Maria Perez Sotelo and Maria Garcia…how is Ignacio Perez related to them as well as the other individuals noted?.
From all this I believe that you and my husband Florentino L. Corbera Jr. are related… not sure to what degree…
Sincerely,
Patricia J. Silva Corbera
—– Original Message —–
From: PacoHernandez73@msn.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 2:50:33 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Parentesco de Consanguinidad en cuarto grado igual
Estimados colegas y primos,
Desde un principio me interesó esta discusión sobre la familia Armas, pero ahora que analizo cuidadosamente el acta de Felipe Armas y Leonarda Lozano, puedo establecer que los dos están emparentados conmigo. Yo desciendo de Juan José de Armas y de Rosa María de Aguirre, tronco común de estos Armas aquí en discusión. También conecto con otras familias de Nochistlán, como los Durán, Armas, Yáñez, Juárez, Lozano, Sandoval, etc. contenidas en está genealogía.
Me puse a investigar un poco en FamilySearch y en mis archivos, y establecí que en realidad Felipe Armas y Leonarda Lozano tenían un parentesco de consanguinidad de cuarto grado igual, o sea que eran primos terceros. El tronco común de ellos eran Joseph María Pérez Sotelo y María García [casados el primero de octubre de 1755, en Nochistlán]. El parentesco se puede resumir de la siguiente forma:
TRONCO
Joseph María Pérez Sotelo y María García
Ignacio Pérez……..1……..Ma. Deseana Pérez
Ma. Refugio Pérez……2……Ma. Sebastiana Yáñez
Antonio Armas……..3………Ma. Luisa Durán
Felipe Armas……..4………Leonarda Lozano
Es necesario informarles entonces que Manuel Lozano y María Agustina de Aguayo no son el tronco común de esta pareja, como se había aseverado anteriormente.
Steven Francisco Hernández López
Acabo de encontrar otro
Tronco Joaquín de Aguirre y Lorenza Corona
María Remigia de Aguirre…1…Miguel de Aguirre
Serbulo Lozano……………..2…Jacinta Aguirre
Leonarda Lozano……………3…Francisca Glz
Margarito Armas……………4…Macedonia Jauregui
Armando
I’d like to mention what actually drew me into taking the time to go back and read the postings with reference to Abram’s questions was the patience shown in answering his questions by Rancho members. It brought to mind, the only “dumb” question is the question not asked…
Yep! Tino’s Perez ancestors from Nochistlan have truly spoken today…
I keep praying that the Corbera “clan,” hears and answers my prayers!
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA
—– Original Message —–
From: “Alicia Carrillo”
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:51:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The groom’s father
Isn’t that amazing. Abram’s persistence has caused two people in the group to look seriously at the genealogical information and now they’ve found a family connection……….I love it!!
Our ancestors speak to us in whatever form is necessary to get our attention.
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
________________________________
From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The groom’s father
I must admit I got lost in following the exchange between Abram Flores and Ranchos Members.
It wasn’t until Armando’s correction posting that I realized that Nicolas Yanes de Aguirre and Phelipa/Felipa Maria Gonzalez Contreras are my husband’s (Florentino/Tino Corbera) 4th Great Grandparents.
I have the following:
Nicolas and Phelipa parents of 7 children – (1) Juan Francisco Contreras Aguirre (2) Maria Josepha Gonzalez Aguirre (3) Rosa Maria Contreras Aguirre (4) Maria Gertrudis Contreras Aguirre (5) Maria Salome Contreras Aguirre (6) Joseph Joaquin Aguirre and (7) Joseph Leonicio Contreras Aguirre.
Child # (6) Joseph Joaquin Aguirre and child # (7) Joseph Leonicio Contreras Aguirre are Tino’s 3rd GGFathers.
Child # (6) descends to Tino’s Maternal Great Grandmother Maria Aniseta Losano Aguirre and her second marriage to Jose Victoriano Rodriguez Perez, their son Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez is Tino’s maternal Grandfather (Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez married Maria Andrea Aguirre Andrade, they the parents of Maria Refugio Perez born 4 July 1903 Rancho Jabonera, Nochistlan, Zacatecas, who is Tinos’ mother).
Child # (7) Joseph Leonicio Aguirre Contreras is also Tino’s 3rd GGF married to Juana Maria Perez Garcia, they the parents of (Jose Timoteo Aguirre married to Maria Ambrosia Placencia, parents of Maria Senovia Aguirre, Tino’s Great-Grandmother and her second husband Juan Nepomuceno Delgadillo Andrade). Maria Senovia and Juan Nepomuceno parents of Maria Hilaria Aguirre Andrade and Maria Andrea Aguirre Andrade. Maria Andrea Aguirre Andrade is Tino’s maternal Grandmother. She and her husband Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez share common ancestry via Nicolas Yanes de Aguirre and Phelipa/Felipa Maria Gonzalez Contreras…
My PAF software program relationship calculator lists them as spouses as well as 3rd cousins…
Maria Andrea Aguirre ANDRADE (mtDNA) and Jose Fernando Aguirre PEREZ are 3rd cousins. Their common ancestors are Nicolas Yanes de AGUIRRE and Phelipa Maria Gonzalez CONTRERAS.
To date I have not located a marriage record for Jose Fernando Aguirre Perez and Maria Andrea Aguirre Andrade. I do have copies of their death records from Susanville Lassen County CA. USA.
Do in part to spelling variations I missed Abram Flores’ question about “who is Manuel Lozano and Maria Agustina de Aguallo?”
This couple I have in my PAF as Jose Manuel Torres Losano and Maria Agustina de Aguayo.
They are also Tino’s ancestors…
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA
—– Original Message —–
From: “Armando”
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:52:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The groom’s father
I just realized I gave you the wrong ones. The correct ones that are the
common ancestors of Felipe Armas and Leonarda Lozano are Nicolás de Aguirre
and Felipa Contreras. Manuel Lozano and Maria Agustina de Aguallo would
have caused a need for a dispensa in 4th degree of Margarito Armas Lozano
and Macedonia Jauregui Aguirre.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 9:11 PM, wrote:
> Abram Flores
> who is manuel lozano and maria agustina de aguallo?
>
Abram Flores
This is awesome.
Abram Flores
okay so it goes like this right felipe armas marries leonarda lozano antonio armas marrie ma. luisa duran ma. refugio perez married sebastiana yanez ignacio perez married ma. deseana perez joseph maria perez sotelo married maria garcia.and i still didnt get the first tronco
