Alicia, July 29th in Brentwood sounds good. My husband would like to attend also. Do I need to register for this meeting, and if so how do I go about obtaining a registration form, plus an outline of the discussion topics? I would love to meet you and Helyn, maybe at the meeting in Brentwood we could exchange addresses and discuss future meeting locations.. I must admit there’s a lot that I need to learn about my husband’s ancestry, but I’m more than willing to do so. Sorry to read that the publication is no longer in print nor available. Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote: Pat,
Our next meeting is on Saturday July 28th in Brentwood with the possibility of a change in location depending on how many people will be attending.
Being that we live so close to each other, maybe one day we can try and meet up. You can contact me off-line at alliecar@pacbell.net and we can discuss this further. When I was beginning my research about a year and a half ago a member of the Ranchos group who is now a very dear friend, invited me to her favorite FHC in Fremont. I met up with Helyn in Fremont and life has not been the same since. We regularly meet up there to do our research, to share family history stories, research strategies etc, etc and we have traveled together to Sacramento’s group meeting.
Looking forward to meeting up with you and maybe your husband too to compare our family history. From the looks of his family surnames, we have much in common. I will bring the book with me that is now out of print and not available for sale anywhere that I know of.
Alicia
Alicia,
>From your listing the following “same,” surnames appear in my husband’s ancestry.
Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
Tomorrow I’ll figure out how to upload an “ahnentafel,” chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
Thank you…Pat
Joseph Puentes wrote: If you or anyone on the list has any trouble at all please let me,
Arturo or Rosalinda know you need help. Email:
moderator@nuestrosranchos.org and one of us will get the message.
thanks,
joseph
Patricia Corbera wrote:
>Joseph, Thank you. I need to put my “thinking cap,” on before attempting this. Your outlined steps seem easy enough to follow… Pat
>
>Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
>Patricia Corbera wrote:
>
>
>
>>Alicia,
>>
>>From your listing the following “same,” surnames appear in my husband’s ancestry.
>>
>>Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
>>
>>Tomorrow I’ll figure out how to upload an “ahnentafel,” chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
>>
>>
>>
>1) log in
>
>2) go to “Files” and to “Member Genealogies” and carefully see the
>format: “Name (Research Locations)” for the folder name and description
>
>3) go to “create content”
>
>4) choose “File Folder” and create your folder using the established format
>
>5) then go to “browse” toward the bottom and select your Genealogy
>Report being careful it doesn’t contain Living Relatives
>
>6) Name and describe the file and the click on “Add File to Folder”
>
>7) if you have other files to upload then do 5 and 6 again
>
>8) if you are done uploading then click “Submit” to finalize the process
>
>9) if you later want to add more material open your folder and click on
>”Edit” [Note: for the NR members that already have folders this is the
>step for you and then #’s 5-8]
>
>hope this wasn’t too confusing,
>
>joseph
>
>
>
>>to be continued
>>Pat
>>
>>Patricia Corbera
>>
>>
>wrote:
>
>
>>Alicia, do you know when the meeting will take place in Brentwood? Is this publication available for sale, and if so how does one go about obtaining a copy? I’ll check out your listing of family surnames and get back to you if I see a possible connection.
>>Thank you so much for being so gracious. I truly feel very “at home,” with this group.
>>Sincerely,
>>Pat
>>
>>Alicia Carrillo wrote:
>>Patricia,
>>
>>As a result of my connections with Nuestros Ranchos, I belong to the northern California chapter of Geneaologists for this group. We meet quarterly in Sacramento but this quarter we will be meeting in Brentwood. I will be doing a presentation on this book “Nochistlan Zacatecas” Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. If you’re interested in attending or joining this group, we would love to have you, we can inform Maria Cortes our group coordinator and facilitator and she can add you to the list of attendees.
>>Knowing of your husband’s surnames and with Rancho La Jabonera as the main point of exit for many of the families listed in this book I will begin a quick scan of the surnames you listed and forward to you if they seem pertinent.
>>
>>My family as well as my husband’s family both descend from Nochistlan for the last 250 years or so and going back further I’m finding roots in Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes, Jalpa and Tabasco Zacatecas and Teocaltiche Jalisco. You can find a listing of our family’s surnames in Nuestros Ranchos files under, Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo and Juan Carrillo Olmos.
>>
>>Saludos,
>>Alicia
>>
>>
>>
>>
Thank you…Pat
Joseph Puentes wrote: If you or anyone on the list has any trouble at all please let me,
Arturo or Rosalinda know you need help. Email:
moderator@nuestrosranchos.org and one of us will get the message.
thanks,
joseph
Patricia Corbera wrote:
>Joseph, Thank you. I need to put my “thinking cap,” on before attempting this. Your outlined steps seem easy enough to follow… Pat
>
>Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
>Patricia Corbera wrote:
>
>
>
>>Alicia,
>>
>>From your listing the following “same,” surnames appear in my husband’s ancestry.
>>
>>Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
>>
>>Tomorrow I’ll figure out how to upload an “ahnentafel,” chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
>>
>>
>>
>1) log in
>
>2) go to “Files” and to “Member Genealogies” and carefully see the
>format: “Name (Research Locations)” for the folder name and description
>
>3) go to “create content”
>
>4) choose “File Folder” and create your folder using the established format
>
>5) then go to “browse” toward the bottom and select your Genealogy
>Report being careful it doesn’t contain Living Relatives
>
>6) Name and describe the file and the click on “Add File to Folder”
>
>7) if you have other files to upload then do 5 and 6 again
>
>8) if you are done uploading then click “Submit” to finalize the process
>
>9) if you later want to add more material open your folder and click on
>”Edit” [Note: for the NR members that already have folders this is the
>step for you and then #’s 5-8]
>
>hope this wasn’t too confusing,
>
>joseph
>
>
>
>>to be continued
>>Pat
>>
>>Patricia Corbera
>>
>>
>wrote:
>
>
>>Alicia, do you know when the meeting will take place in Brentwood? Is this publication available for sale, and if so how does one go about obtaining a copy? I’ll check out your listing of family surnames and get back to you if I see a possible connection.
>>Thank you so much for being so gracious. I truly feel very “at home,” with this group.
>>Sincerely,
>>Pat
>>
>>Alicia Carrillo wrote:
>>Patricia,
>>
>>As a result of my connections with Nuestros Ranchos, I belong to the northern California chapter of Geneaologists for this group. We meet quarterly in Sacramento but this quarter we will be meeting in Brentwood. I will be doing a presentation on this book “Nochistlan Zacatecas” Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. If you’re interested in attending or joining this group, we would love to have you, we can inform Maria Cortes our group coordinator and facilitator and she can add you to the list of attendees.
>>Knowing of your husband’s surnames and with Rancho La Jabonera as the main point of exit for many of the families listed in this book I will begin a quick scan of the surnames you listed and forward to you if they seem pertinent.
>>
>>My family as well as my husband’s family both descend from Nochistlan for the last 250 years or so and going back further I’m finding roots in Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes, Jalpa and Tabasco Zacatecas and Teocaltiche Jalisco. You can find a listing of our family’s surnames in Nuestros Ranchos files under, Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo and Juan Carrillo Olmos.
>>
>>Saludos,
>>Alicia
>>
>>
>>
>>
I am very curious about the meeting referenced below. I was born in Nochistlan, I have traced a bulk of my family (Legaspi, Frias, Huerta, Mejia, Jauregui, plus) over the years….This meeting in Brentwood California?
Enrique Legaspi
Patricia Corbera wrote:
Alicia, July 29th in Brentwood sounds good. My husband would like to attend also. Do I need to register for this meeting, and if so how do I go about obtaining a registration form, plus an outline of the discussion topics? I would love to meet you and Helyn, maybe at the meeting in Brentwood we could exchange addresses and discuss future meeting locations.. I must admit there’s a lot that I need to learn about my husband’s ancestry, but I’m more than willing to do so. Sorry to read that the publication is no longer in print nor available. Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote: Pat,
Our next meeting is on Saturday July 28th in Brentwood with the possibility of a change in location depending on how many people will be attending.
Being that we live so close to each other, maybe one day we can try and meet up. You can contact me off-line at alliecar@pacbell.net and we can discuss this further. When I was beginning my research about a year and a half ago a member of the Ranchos group who is now a very dear friend, invited me to her favorite FHC in Fremont. I met up with Helyn in Fremont and life has not been the same since. We regularly meet up there to do our research, to share family history stories, research strategies etc, etc and we have traveled together to Sacramento’s group meeting.
Looking forward to meeting up with you and maybe your husband too to compare our family history. From the looks of his family surnames, we have much in common. I will bring the book with me that is now out of print and not available for sale anywhere that I know of.
Alicia
Alicia,
>From your listing the following “same,” surnames appear in my husband’s ancestry.
Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
Tomorrow I’ll figure out how to upload an “ahnentafel,” chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
I am very curious about the meeting referenced below. I was born in Nochistlan, I have traced a bulk of my family (Legaspi, Frias, Huerta, Mejia, Jauregui, plus) over the years….This meeting in Brentwood California?
Enrique Legaspi
Patricia Corbera wrote:
Alicia, July 29th in Brentwood sounds good. My husband would like to attend also. Do I need to register for this meeting, and if so how do I go about obtaining a registration form, plus an outline of the discussion topics? I would love to meet you and Helyn, maybe at the meeting in Brentwood we could exchange addresses and discuss future meeting locations.. I must admit there’s a lot that I need to learn about my husband’s ancestry, but I’m more than willing to do so. Sorry to read that the publication is no longer in print nor available. Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote: Pat,
Our next meeting is on Saturday July 28th in Brentwood with the possibility of a change in location depending on how many people will be attending.
Being that we live so close to each other, maybe one day we can try and meet up. You can contact me off-line at alliecar@pacbell.net and we can discuss this further. When I was beginning my research about a year and a half ago a member of the Ranchos group who is now a very dear friend, invited me to her favorite FHC in Fremont. I met up with Helyn in Fremont and life has not been the same since. We regularly meet up there to do our research, to share family history stories, research strategies etc, etc and we have traveled together to Sacramento’s group meeting.
Looking forward to meeting up with you and maybe your husband too to compare our family history. From the looks of his family surnames, we have much in common. I will bring the book with me that is now out of print and not available for sale anywhere that I know of.
Alicia
Alicia,
>From your listing the following “same,” surnames appear in my husband’s ancestry.
Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
Tomorrow I’ll figure out how to upload an “ahnentafel,” chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
Alicia, I have a personal copy of the book. i can scan some pages and emailed them ot you..what would you be interested?
Enrique Legaspi
Patricia Corbera wrote:
Alicia, thank you for the “warm welcome.” I don’t have Avelars in my family, my husband’s, 6th ggfather, was a Luis de Avalos b. abt 1697 Mexico; died bef 1750 m. to Maria Perez daughter of Nicolas Mexia Estrada and Mariana Isla Sandobal. Maria and Luis were the parents of Maria Teresa de Avalos, not sure if this is just one of those spelling variations of a surname that so often is found. We’re almost neighbors, I live in Tracy. The publication that you noted, Nochistlan Zacatecas” Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas, “on loan,” from a local library? Tino (my husband) has Duran ancestors from Nochistlan. I would love to see that book. His maternal ancestry resided in Nochistlan for over 300 yrs. It’s his paternal line of Corbera that proven to be difficult for me. I only have about 300 in my computer for his family, but there’s a lot of siblings that I didn’t add. I bet with your Portuguese ancestry you and I probably are related. I just recently
had my mtDNA tested, and I’m in the process of talking my husband into getting his mtDNA and yDNA tested. How exciting it would be to find a common ancestor in Tino’s lines with you or your husband. Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Patricia,
Welcome to the group, I hope you enjoy this group as much as I do. I have met some wonderful people that have become very good friends.
You said you have been researching your Portuguese roots for 10 years, do you have any ancestors with the surname of Abelar or Avelar? Avelar is my maiden name and every Avelar I have encountered that is not a known member of my family has been Portuguese. I live and worked in Silicon Valley and came into contact with many Portuguese people with this surname.
Now to your husband’s ancestry, you list his areas of research as “La Jabonera” in Nochistlan Zac. I have a book on loan which is titled, “Nochistlan Zacatecas” Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. Much of the history and geneaology within this book is from Rancho La Jabonera, most of the focus is on “Duran” but like all Geneaology it branches off to many other surnames.
How much research have you done to date on your husband’s family. I have probably around 2,000 plus entries in my database and who knows, we may have some connections.The only surname that we have in common is Aguirre which is on my husband’s side. The surnames of Perez, Delgadillo and Lopez are indirect family ties.
I look forward to hearing from you Patricia.
Saludos,
Alicia Avelar, Olmos de Carrillo
Alicia, I have a personal copy of the book. i can scan some pages and emailed them ot you..what would you be interested?
Enrique Legaspi
Patricia Corbera wrote:
Alicia, thank you for the “warm welcome.” I don’t have Avelars in my family, my husband’s, 6th ggfather, was a Luis de Avalos b. abt 1697 Mexico; died bef 1750 m. to Maria Perez daughter of Nicolas Mexia Estrada and Mariana Isla Sandobal. Maria and Luis were the parents of Maria Teresa de Avalos, not sure if this is just one of those spelling variations of a surname that so often is found. We’re almost neighbors, I live in Tracy. The publication that you noted, Nochistlan Zacatecas” Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas, “on loan,” from a local library? Tino (my husband) has Duran ancestors from Nochistlan. I would love to see that book. His maternal ancestry resided in Nochistlan for over 300 yrs. It’s his paternal line of Corbera that proven to be difficult for me. I only have about 300 in my computer for his family, but there’s a lot of siblings that I didn’t add. I bet with your Portuguese ancestry you and I probably are related. I just recently
had my mtDNA tested, and I’m in the process of talking my husband into getting his mtDNA and yDNA tested. How exciting it would be to find a common ancestor in Tino’s lines with you or your husband. Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Patricia,
Welcome to the group, I hope you enjoy this group as much as I do. I have met some wonderful people that have become very good friends.
You said you have been researching your Portuguese roots for 10 years, do you have any ancestors with the surname of Abelar or Avelar? Avelar is my maiden name and every Avelar I have encountered that is not a known member of my family has been Portuguese. I live and worked in Silicon Valley and came into contact with many Portuguese people with this surname.
Now to your husband’s ancestry, you list his areas of research as “La Jabonera” in Nochistlan Zac. I have a book on loan which is titled, “Nochistlan Zacatecas” Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. Much of the history and geneaology within this book is from Rancho La Jabonera, most of the focus is on “Duran” but like all Geneaology it branches off to many other surnames.
How much research have you done to date on your husband’s family. I have probably around 2,000 plus entries in my database and who knows, we may have some connections.The only surname that we have in common is Aguirre which is on my husband’s side. The surnames of Perez, Delgadillo and Lopez are indirect family ties.
I look forward to hearing from you Patricia.
Saludos,
Alicia Avelar, Olmos de Carrillo
Hello Enrique: Yes, this meeting will be held in Brentwood, CA, in Contra Costa County. If you are interested in meeting this awesome group of researchers, we can put you in touch with Maria Cortes, the awesome organizer.
Members will be attending from the Sacramento, and San Jose areas also, from a few hamlets in-between. Hope you can join us. Helyn
enrique legaspi wrote:
I am very curious about the meeting referenced below. I was born in Nochistlan, I have traced a bulk of my family (Legaspi, Frias, Huerta, Mejia, Jauregui, plus) over the years….This meeting in Brentwood California?
Enrique Legaspi
Patricia Corbera
wrote:
Alicia, July 29th in Brentwood sounds good. My husband would like to attend also. Do I need to register for this meeting, and if so how do I go about obtaining a registration form, plus an outline of the discussion topics? I would love to meet you and Helyn, maybe at the meeting in Brentwood we could exchange addresses and discuss future meeting locations.. I must admit there’s a lot that I need to learn about my husband’s ancestry, but I’m more than willing to do so. Sorry to read that the publication is no longer in print nor available. Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote: Pat,
Our next meeting is on Saturday July 28th in Brentwood with the possibility of a change in location depending on how many people will be attending.
Being that we live so close to each other, maybe one day we can try and meet up. You can contact me off-line at alliecar@pacbell.net and we can discuss this further. When I was beginning my research about a year and a half ago a member of the Ranchos group who is now a very dear friend, invited me to her favorite FHC in Fremont. I met up with Helyn in Fremont and life has not been the same since. We regularly meet up there to do our research, to share family history stories, research strategies etc, etc and we have traveled together to Sacramento’s group meeting.
Looking forward to meeting up with you and maybe your husband too to compare our family history. From the looks of his family surnames, we have much in common. I will bring the book with me that is now out of print and not available for sale anywhere that I know of.
Alicia
Alicia,
>From your listing the following “same,” surnames appear in my husband’s ancestry.
Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
Tomorrow I’ll figure out how to upload an “ahnentafel,” chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
Hello Enrique: Yes, this meeting will be held in Brentwood, CA, in Contra Costa County. If you are interested in meeting this awesome group of researchers, we can put you in touch with Maria Cortes, the awesome organizer.
Members will be attending from the Sacramento, and San Jose areas also, from a few hamlets in-between. Hope you can join us. Helyn
enrique legaspi wrote:
I am very curious about the meeting referenced below. I was born in Nochistlan, I have traced a bulk of my family (Legaspi, Frias, Huerta, Mejia, Jauregui, plus) over the years….This meeting in Brentwood California?
Enrique Legaspi
Patricia Corbera
wrote:
Alicia, July 29th in Brentwood sounds good. My husband would like to attend also. Do I need to register for this meeting, and if so how do I go about obtaining a registration form, plus an outline of the discussion topics? I would love to meet you and Helyn, maybe at the meeting in Brentwood we could exchange addresses and discuss future meeting locations.. I must admit there’s a lot that I need to learn about my husband’s ancestry, but I’m more than willing to do so. Sorry to read that the publication is no longer in print nor available. Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote: Pat,
Our next meeting is on Saturday July 28th in Brentwood with the possibility of a change in location depending on how many people will be attending.
Being that we live so close to each other, maybe one day we can try and meet up. You can contact me off-line at alliecar@pacbell.net and we can discuss this further. When I was beginning my research about a year and a half ago a member of the Ranchos group who is now a very dear friend, invited me to her favorite FHC in Fremont. I met up with Helyn in Fremont and life has not been the same since. We regularly meet up there to do our research, to share family history stories, research strategies etc, etc and we have traveled together to Sacramento’s group meeting.
Looking forward to meeting up with you and maybe your husband too to compare our family history. From the looks of his family surnames, we have much in common. I will bring the book with me that is now out of print and not available for sale anywhere that I know of.
Alicia
Alicia,
>From your listing the following “same,” surnames appear in my husband’s ancestry.
Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
Tomorrow I’ll figure out how to upload an “ahnentafel,” chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
I had the 12 marker DNA done by my Uncle Louis Gutierrez, my mothers brother, who was born in Tamazula Jalisco in 1924 but the genealogy has the Gutierrez family in Chilchota Michocan in the mid 1600’s to 1780 or so when they migrated to Jalisco. To my surprise the results came back Haplogroup N. Group N comes from China and Mongolia then into Siberia… My mother was one of 8 children who all were very fair skinned but do all have small slanted eyes. As a child my mother was teased about her blue “Chinese eyes.” and my cousin who is an art instructor is always greeted by Asians as one of their own.. he said he believed the Gutierrez DNA would prove he had Asian blood… he’s the only one not surprised by the results.. The other thing that surprised me was that in looking through Gary Felix’s site there were no other Haplogroup N participants.. that dissappointed me. I had shared earlier that my MTDNA was Haplogroup A which I thought explained our families slanted eyes…
just thought I’d share, Linda
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I had the 12 marker DNA done by my Uncle Louis Gutierrez, my mothers brother, who was born in Tamazula Jalisco in 1924 but the genealogy has the Gutierrez family in Chilchota Michocan in the mid 1600’s to 1780 or so when they migrated to Jalisco. To my surprise the results came back Haplogroup N. Group N comes from China and Mongolia then into Siberia… My mother was one of 8 children who all were very fair skinned but do all have small slanted eyes. As a child my mother was teased about her blue “Chinese eyes.” and my cousin who is an art instructor is always greeted by Asians as one of their own.. he said he believed the Gutierrez DNA would prove he had Asian blood… he’s the only one not surprised by the results.. The other thing that surprised me was that in looking through Gary Felix’s site there were no other Haplogroup N participants.. that dissappointed me. I had shared earlier that my MTDNA was Haplogroup A which I thought explained our families slanted eyes…
just thought I’d share, Linda
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Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Linda:
This is very interesting but fits within the puzzle of Mexican history. Many people forget that Mexico was the principal endpoint on the Western side of the Pacific for trans-Pacific trade for hundreds of years. The Nao de China or Manila Galleons sailed between Acapulco and Manila for hundreds of years before the English or Americans established trade routes across the Pacific.
The remnants of this trade are everywhere in Mexico. Food: tamarind, mangoes, even mole (inspired by Asian curries). Thai and Korean cuisine likewise owes a lot to our good old Mexican chile. For some time the amount of silver exported from Mexico to the Philippines in order to maintain that far flung colony was so great that the Mexican silver peso was one of the main currencies of international trade in East Asia.
Another remnant of this was the substantial Asian immigrantion that came to the Mexican Pacific Coast over time. These immigrants melted into the mesitzaje but there are some historical accounts of Chinese and Filipino populations in early Mexico.
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/publications/journals/shq/online/v022/n1/contrib_DIVL448.html
The ordinary population of Acapulco consisted of Indians and
Orientals, and of mestizos and mulattoes of every possible degree
of miscegenation. This nondescript lot were generically classed
outside of Acapulco as “Chinos.” 19 Few Spaniards remained in
the town beyond the term of the feria, at which time the perma-
nent population of the place was greatly increased by the influx
of thousands from Mexico, Peru, and the Philippines. 20
Linda:
This is very interesting but fits within the puzzle of Mexican history. Many people forget that Mexico was the principal endpoint on the Western side of the Pacific for trans-Pacific trade for hundreds of years. The Nao de China or Manila Galleons sailed between Acapulco and Manila for hundreds of years before the English or Americans established trade routes across the Pacific.
The remnants of this trade are everywhere in Mexico. Food: tamarind, mangoes, even mole (inspired by Asian curries). Thai and Korean cuisine likewise owes a lot to our good old Mexican chile. For some time the amount of silver exported from Mexico to the Philippines in order to maintain that far flung colony was so great that the Mexican silver peso was one of the main currencies of international trade in East Asia.
Another remnant of this was the substantial Asian immigrantion that came to the Mexican Pacific Coast over time. These immigrants melted into the mesitzaje but there are some historical accounts of Chinese and Filipino populations in early Mexico.
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/publications/journals/shq/online/v022/n1/contrib_DIVL448.html
The ordinary population of Acapulco consisted of Indians and
Orientals, and of mestizos and mulattoes of every possible degree
of miscegenation. This nondescript lot were generically classed
outside of Acapulco as “Chinos.” 19 Few Spaniards remained in
the town beyond the term of the feria, at which time the perma-
nent population of the place was greatly increased by the influx
of thousands from Mexico, Peru, and the Philippines. 20
Arturo, thank you so much for taking the time to share the article and your thoughts. My ethnic world, knowledge and curiosity expands daily on this genealogy site! Asians in Mexico before 1650 never even entered my thoughts..
Like Ernie I’m beginning to feel like a child of the world not limited by borders or surnames.. how wonderful! I haven’t had my Castanon DNA done yet but nothing will surprise me now. I thought the biggest surprise for me and my family was when I found Mulato ancestors but Asian is even a bigger surprise.. I was also surprised that I didn’t find anyone else with Haplogroup N in Gary Felix’s site.. Nice to be the first.
Linda in B.C.
arturoramos wrote:
Linda:
This is very interesting but fits within the puzzle of Mexican history. Many people forget that Mexico was the principal endpoint on the Western side of the Pacific for trans-Pacific trade for hundreds of years. The Nao de China or Manila Galleons sailed between Acapulco and Manila for hundreds of years before the English or Americans established trade routes across the Pacific.
The remnants of this trade are everywhere in Mexico. Food: tamarind, mangoes, even mole (inspired by Asian curries). Thai and Korean cuisine likewise owes a lot to our good old Mexican chile. For some time the amount of silver exported from Mexico to the Philippines in order to maintain that far flung colony was so great that the Mexican silver peso was one of the main currencies of international trade in East Asia.
Another remnant of this was the substantial Asian immigrantion that came to the Mexican Pacific Coast over time. These immigrants melted into the mesitzaje but there are some historical accounts of Chinese and Filipino populations in early Mexico.
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/publications/journals/shq/online/v022/n1/contrib_DIVL448.html
The ordinary population of Acapulco consisted of Indians and
Orientals, and of mestizos and mulattoes of every possible degree
of miscegenation. This nondescript lot were generically classed
outside of Acapulco as “Chinos.” 19 Few Spaniards remained in
the town beyond the term of the feria, at which time the perma-
nent population of the place was greatly increased by the influx
of thousands from Mexico, Peru, and the Philippines. 20
Arturo, thank you so much for taking the time to share the article and your thoughts. My ethnic world, knowledge and curiosity expands daily on this genealogy site! Asians in Mexico before 1650 never even entered my thoughts..
Like Ernie I’m beginning to feel like a child of the world not limited by borders or surnames.. how wonderful! I haven’t had my Castanon DNA done yet but nothing will surprise me now. I thought the biggest surprise for me and my family was when I found Mulato ancestors but Asian is even a bigger surprise.. I was also surprised that I didn’t find anyone else with Haplogroup N in Gary Felix’s site.. Nice to be the first.
Linda in B.C.
arturoramos wrote:
Linda:
This is very interesting but fits within the puzzle of Mexican history. Many people forget that Mexico was the principal endpoint on the Western side of the Pacific for trans-Pacific trade for hundreds of years. The Nao de China or Manila Galleons sailed between Acapulco and Manila for hundreds of years before the English or Americans established trade routes across the Pacific.
The remnants of this trade are everywhere in Mexico. Food: tamarind, mangoes, even mole (inspired by Asian curries). Thai and Korean cuisine likewise owes a lot to our good old Mexican chile. For some time the amount of silver exported from Mexico to the Philippines in order to maintain that far flung colony was so great that the Mexican silver peso was one of the main currencies of international trade in East Asia.
Another remnant of this was the substantial Asian immigrantion that came to the Mexican Pacific Coast over time. These immigrants melted into the mesitzaje but there are some historical accounts of Chinese and Filipino populations in early Mexico.
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/publications/journals/shq/online/v022/n1/contrib_DIVL448.html
The ordinary population of Acapulco consisted of Indians and
Orientals, and of mestizos and mulattoes of every possible degree
of miscegenation. This nondescript lot were generically classed
outside of Acapulco as “Chinos.” 19 Few Spaniards remained in
the town beyond the term of the feria, at which time the perma-
nent population of the place was greatly increased by the influx
of thousands from Mexico, Peru, and the Philippines. 20
