Hello “My Genes”,
Having descended from the Hurtado de Mendozas and the Perez, Franco families from Los Altos, I would be very interested in this documentation.
Hello “My Genes”,
Having descended from the Hurtado de Mendozas and the Perez, Franco families from Los Altos, I would be very interested in this documentation. These are my father’s lines, and although we have always been very Catholic, I have noticed a few small things that might be Sephardic in general.
I have also read the chapter from “Retonos…” where Mariano dispels Jewish and French lines. In my research, I have never ran across French names, Altenos are a very closed society–remember: is mejor conocido que por conocer–proper Altenas would never run off and marry a French soldier, plus the French were never known to be in our area. I vaguely recall Mariano’s references to these people being a very Catholic society (remember la Cristiada), and he did give examples of why this society could not be Jewish. Possibly we were Jewish, but it was too long ago to really matter in everyday life.
At any rate, I would be interested in this documentation you have run across. I do recall that the Perez came from Huelva, Espana, and the former prime minister of Israel, Shimon Perez. That’s about it.
Thanks,
Irma Gomez gtz
N. Calif.
1. Re: mixture of clans (mygenes2000@yahoo.com)
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Most of The first families from jalisco were related through the hernandez de hijar and the hurtado de mendoza and there is clear documentation showing at least 4 moor lines and other jewish (marano) lines this is not an opinion, there is clear evidence of this. The mountains where the mendoza family came from was originally a jewish area. Many of The families that the mendoza married into in Castilla also originated from this jewish area. I also believe that the perez that married into the francos to form the perez franco de paredes family were from the jewish perestrello family of portugal this family was originally the Pallestrelli family of Genoa. This last bit of info is the only info here that has not been clearly documented yet and some people disagree with my opinion of where the perez came from.
I repeat, the connection to the hernandez de hijar and mendoza lines to jewish and moorish ancestors have been documented
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What part of Los Altos are you from? The name of your pueblo? Los Altos is referred to as the “The Highlands” the pueblos in the mountaineous areas of Jalisco.
Some people in our region probably have Jewish ancestry. One has to research and find out. But there are some traditional things we have in Jalisco that have Jewish origin.
“La Capirotada” 
“Semas” 
Another thing is the style of our houses in the pueblos in the highlands of Jalisco. Stone blocked shaped houses, fences that are slabs of stone piled on top of one another. The elderly ladies that were those long black cloaks with white spots draped over the heads. Makes one wonder?
When I see movies about ancient Jerusalum, Israel…..kind of has a resemblance to the styles of our pueblos.
Most of family is from valle de gpe. Tepa and Jalos. My great uncle, may he rest in peace, is Dr Rito Romo Franco.
Dr rito romo franco and his brother, my maternal grandfather, hermenegildo romo franco were 3rd cousins (3 times) of santo toribio romo gonzalez.
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Sent: Feb 25, 2010 6:37 PM
What part of Los Altos are you from? The name of your pueblo? Los Altos is referred to as the “The Highlands” the pueblos in the mountaineous areas of Jalisco.
People in our region probably have Jewish ancestry. One has to research and find out. But there are some traditional things we have in Jalisco that have Jewish origin.
“La Capirotada”
“Semas”
Another thing is the style of our houses in the pueblos in the highlands of Jalisco. Stone blocked shaped houses, fences that are slabs of stone piled on top of one another. The elderly ladies that were those long black cloaks with white spots draped over the heads. Makes one wonder?
When I see movies about ancient Jerusalum, Israel…..kind of has a resemblance to the styles of our pueblos.
There are stone blocked shaped houses and fences made of slabs of stone all
over the world. They don’t point to Jewish origins at all, unless the whole
ancient world was Jewish. Apart from that, customs can be adopted by people
that aren’t related. For example, the Normans spoke French but were actually
descendants of Vikings. The Irish spoke Gaelic but are relatives of the
Basque, proven so with DNA. The rodeo is from Mexico, but practiced by the
world now. The whole world plays an English sport, football. Therefore,
without having documentation or science to prove the source means it is only
speculation at the time and doesn’t prove anything. Meaning that Los Altos
may eat capirotada and semas due to influence from other areas, and not
because of a converso population. For example mole, all of Mexico eats it,
but it was invented in Puebla by a nun. Does that mean all Mexicans have
poblanos ancestry? The answer is no. Therefore, Is there proof that
capirotada and semas are eaten in Jalisco because of a large converso
population wanting to practice Judaism?
I am in no way against finding Jewish roots but I hope that statements that
try to prove or disprove a link are fully evaluated.
Saludos,
Armando
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:37 PM, wrote:
> What part of Los Altos are you from? The name of your pueblo? Los Altos is
> referred to as the “The Highlands” the pueblos in the mountaineous areas of
> Jalisco.
>
> People in our region probably have Jewish ancestry. One has to research
> and find out. But there are some traditional things we have in Jalisco that
> have Jewish origin.
>
> “La Capirotada”
>
> “Semas”
>
> Another thing is the style of our houses in the pueblos in the highlands of
> Jalisco. Stone blocked shaped houses, fences that are slabs of stone piled
> on top of one another. The elderly ladies that were those long black cloaks
> with white spots draped over the heads. Makes one wonder?
>
> When I see movies about ancient Jerusalum, Israel…..kind of has a
> resemblance to the styles of our pueblos.
My research has to do with tracing ancestors. I have not based it on capirotada. My research has led to my relatives intermarrying over and over again with marriage to someone from out of the family circle once in a blue moon. The thing is that my research is into all my ancestors and not just the ones taditionally looked at by genealogist. In our culture the jews, moors, indian, and black lines have sometimes been lines that people wanted to hide.
I believed, in the beginning that I would have half indian And half spanish ancestors. I wAs surprised to find ancestors that were over 80 per cent white 1 percent black less than 10 Per cent indian. It is difficult for anyone to do a mexican genealogy and claim to be 100 percent white for at least two reasons
1 espanol meant you were at least 7/8 white.
2. Most of my ancestors, the first settlers, that originally came over were not themselves 100 per cent white
The closeset mexican genealogy that comes to 100 per cent white is my paternal grandmother lucila de la torre rodriguez de hijar and she had the lightest skin coloring that I have ever seen except for albinos. My father inherited her skin color even though his father was about 2 per cent black
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:26:39
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There are stone blocked shaped houses and fences made of slabs of stone all
over the world. They don’t point to Jewish origins at all, unless the whole
ancient world was Jewish. Apart from that, customs can be adopted by people
that aren’t related. For example, the Normans spoke French but were actually
descendants of Vikings. The Irish spoke Gaelic but are relatives of the
Basque, proven so with DNA. The rodeo is from Mexico, but practiced by the
world now. The whole world plays an English sport, football. Therefore,
without having documentation or science to prove the source means it is only
speculation at the time and doesn’t prove anything. Meaning that Los Altos
may eat capirotada and semas due to influence from other areas, and not
because of a converso population. For example mole, all of Mexico eats it,
but it was invented in Puebla by a nun. Does that mean all Mexicans have
poblanos ancestry? The answer is no. Therefore, Is there proof that
capirotada and semas are eaten in Jalisco because of a large converso
population wanting to practice Judaism?
I am in no way against finding Jewish roots but I hope that statements that
try to prove or disprove a link are fully evaluated.
Saludos,
Armando
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:37 PM, wrote:
> What part of Los Altos are you from? The name of your pueblo? Los Altos is
> referred to as the “The Highlands” the pueblos in the mountaineous areas of
> Jalisco.
>
> People in our region probably have Jewish ancestry. One has to research
> and find out. But there are some traditional things we have in Jalisco that
> have Jewish origin.
>
> “La Capirotada”
>
> “Semas”
>
> Another thing is the style of our houses in the pueblos in the highlands of
> Jalisco. Stone blocked shaped houses, fences that are slabs of stone piled
> on top of one another. The elderly ladies that were those long black cloaks
> with white spots draped over the heads. Makes one wonder?
>
> When I see movies about ancient Jerusalum, Israel…..kind of has a
> resemblance to the styles of our pueblos.
Tu si sabes !!!!!!
Ruben Casillas M.
— El jue 25-feb-10, Armando Antuñano escribió:
De:: Armando Antuñano
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los Altos
A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: jueves, 25 de febrero de 2010, 22:26
There are stone blocked shaped houses and fences made of slabs of stone all
over the world. They don’t point to Jewish origins at all, unless the whole
ancient world was Jewish. Apart from that, customs can be adopted by people
that aren’t related. For example, the Normans spoke French but were actually
descendants of Vikings. The Irish spoke Gaelic but are relatives of the
Basque, proven so with DNA. The rodeo is from Mexico, but practiced by the
world now. The whole world plays an English sport, football. Therefore,
without having documentation or science to prove the source means it is only
speculation at the time and doesn’t prove anything. Meaning that Los Altos
may eat capirotada and semas due to influence from other areas, and not
because of a converso population. For example mole, all of Mexico eats it,
but it was invented in Puebla by a nun. Does that mean all Mexicans have
poblanos ancestry? The answer is no. Therefore, Is there proof that
capirotada and semas are eaten in Jalisco because of a large converso
population wanting to practice Judaism?
I am in no way against finding Jewish roots but I hope that statements that
try to prove or disprove a link are fully evaluated.
Saludos,
Armando
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:37 PM, wrote:
> What part of Los Altos are you from? The name of your pueblo? Los Altos is
> referred to as the “The Highlands” the pueblos in the mountaineous areas of
> Jalisco.
>
> People in our region probably have Jewish ancestry. One has to research
> and find out. But there are some traditional things we have in Jalisco that
> have Jewish origin.
>
> “La Capirotada”
>
> “Semas”
>
> Another thing is the style of our houses in the pueblos in the highlands of
> Jalisco. Stone blocked shaped houses, fences that are slabs of stone piled
> on top of one another. The elderly ladies that were those long black cloaks
> with white spots draped over the heads. Makes one wonder?
>
> When I see movies about ancient Jerusalum, Israel…..kind of has a
> resemblance to the styles of our pueblos.
En todfo el mundo hay tradiciónes judias, todo el mundo es judio ?
Ruben Casillas M.
— El jue 25-feb-10, zacatecano020@hotmail.com escribió:
De:: zacatecano020@hotmail.com
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los Altos
A: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: jueves, 25 de febrero de 2010, 20:37
What part of Los Altos are you from? The name of your pueblo? Los Altos is referred to as the “The Highlands” the pueblos in the mountaineous areas of Jalisco.
People in our region probably have Jewish ancestry. One has to research and find out. But there are some traditional things we have in Jalisco that have Jewish origin.
“La Capirotada”
“Semas”
Another thing is the style of our houses in the pueblos in the highlands of Jalisco. Stone blocked shaped houses, fences that are slabs of stone piled on top of one another. The elderly ladies that were those long black cloaks with white spots draped over the heads. Makes one wonder?
When I see movies about ancient Jerusalum, Israel…..kind of has a resemblance to the styles of our pueblos.
My family comes from Los Altos as well, just outside of Tepatitlan, San Jose De Bazarte. First of all,let me say that I’d be proud of my ancestors regardless of background. All of these so called Jewish traits,such as intermarriage within the family, fundemental Catholosism and ladies in ” long black cloaks” seem pretty mundane and not evident of any real Jewish tradition, they could all be assigned to any almost European country, especailly in the Mediterranean. The Hapsburg (sp?) rulers of Spain were inbred to a scary degree, they were not Jewish…intermarriage is to keep a blood line “pure” and not only a Jewish trait. don’t subscribe to any such notion, I think it is repulsive, and I’m not saying Altenos are descendents of any royal line,just pointing out what history has taught us.
I’m pretty active in the Genetic community and it’s laughable to me that anytime a Y DNA marker other than the “Atlantic” R1b marker is mentioned it’s automatically assumed to be Moorish or Jewish ( by those who don’t know any better). There is indeed a marker called a “Cohen Konhanim” which is associated with the haplogroup J1e and J2a which is a good indicator of Jewish ancestory,other than that there is no “Jewish” marker. DNA predates Judaism,as well as Islam or Christianity by thousands of years…it’s like saying there is a Democrat or Repulican marker.
There are traditional “Sephardos’ in the Southwest, almost exclusivley in New Mexico and they have very distinct customs that support their Jewish ancestory,I’m not aware of these being apparant in anything I’ve researched concerning Los Altos.
I’m not saying that there aren’t Altenos of Jewsih decent,not at all…what I’m saying is before we go so far as to speak with any certainty about any situation, we should have the best sources we can to support our theory.
Robert~
Well the present day Jewish Community in Jalisco:
vivelacomunidad.com
Many of us from los altos descend from king enrique II of spain and his brothers many times over. He and his bothers had descended form jews on his mothers side. I have also found that they descend from moors through at least 4 separate lines.
I also descend from an ancestor of many altenos that was put on trial for continuing to practice judaism on saturdays even though he practiced catholicism on The other 6 days of the week. The trial and conviction is a matter of public record.
Another family with converso as ancestors are the perez franco de paredes whom all oveR los altos and this is from both perez anD franco ancestors.
As to the moor lines I will be providing accurate documentaion of these lines in an essay / article that I am writing.
I have not used dna or clothing or food but plain genealogical/historical research.
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My family comes from Los Altos as well, just outside of Tepatitlan, San Jose De Bazarte. First of all,let me say that I’d be proud of my ancestors regardless of background. All of these so called Jewish traits,such as intermarriage within the family, fundemental Catholosism and ladies in ” long black cloaks” seem pretty mundane and not evident of any real Jewish tradition, they could all be assigned to any almost European country, especailly in the Mediterranen. The Hapsburg (sp?) rulers of Spain were inbred to a scary degree, they were not Jewish…intermarriage is to keep a blood line “pure” and not only a Jewish trait. don’t subscribe to any such notion, I think it is repulsive, and I’m not saying Altenos are descendents of any royal line,just pointing out what history has taught us.
I’m pretty active in the Genetic community and it’s laughable to me that anytime a Y DNA marker other than the “Atlantic” R1b marker is mentioned it’s automatically assumed to be Moorish or Jewish ( by those who don’t know any better). There is indeed a marker called a “Cohen Konhanim” which is associated with the haplogroup J1e and J2a which is a good indicator of Jewish ancestory,other than that there is no “Jewish” marker. DNA predates Judaism,as well as Islam or Christianity by thousands of years…it’s like saying there is a Democrat or Repulican marker.
There are traditional “Sephardos’ in the Southwest, almost exclusivley in New Mexico and they have very distinct customs that support their Jewish ancestory,I’m not aware of these being apparant in anything I’ve researched concerning Los Altos.
I’m not saying that there aren’t Altenos of Jewsih decent,not at all…what I’m saying is before we go so far as to speak with any certainty about any situation, we should have the best sources we can to support our theory.
Robert~
I’d like to see the genetic evidence and any documentation to the comment above. The evidence that I have read is to the contrary. The colonists were mostly part of the “orden de santiago” a hardcore Catholic group, hardcore enough to kill for their religion. Thus consistent with what we already knew about conquistadors and 1st colonists, they were Catholic and of mostly Celtic origins.
Genetic evidence of these names have been found to be Celtic indigenous and Celtic Frisian. King Carlos V the Hapsburg was instrumental to conquering of Mexico and his people where instrumental to inquisition. He was after all the holy Roman Emperor, king to many kings in Europe. So, there was a very acute conscious effort to make Mexico a Catholic country. Those that came from Spain, again very conscious effort to make sure they too were Catholic.
Second, we need to remember that the majority of our roots are Roman Catholic. If you look at the dna sequences from mediterranean there is a great chance of being part of the Roman empire. Everything from dna groups r1b, j1, j2, k and so forth.
Scientific Study
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2006/02/no-significant-crypto-jewish-ancestry.html
Second independant Study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18161845?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2
.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_SingleItemSupl.Pubmed_Discovery_R
A&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed
The Only Mendoza family on www.ysearch.org that claims Mexican ancestory is actually haplogroup R1b again Celtic/Germanic. The user code is ERC6H.
Mendoza Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows according to Nordvert’s Haplogroup Predictor:
R1b-North/South 2 =>31% R1b-Leinster =>31% R1b =>7% R1b-North/South 1 =>7% R1b-S26 =>7% R1b-S28 =>7% R1b-N.Irish =>2% R1b-M222 (NW Irish) =>2% R1b-Frisian =>1% R1b-Ub =>1%
There was a 1 Mendoza family in Chile that is Middle Eastern, however this is not the family that we are talking about.
I often hear people making jewish ancestory claims, I feel compelled to log on an comment on this fantasy. Why? Because my family, the Casillas are descendant of Frisians Celtic-p invaders. From the same region that was the power center of Hapsburgs or Carlos V. At that time the Netherlands belonged to Spain and was the Catholic Power Center. The Viceroy Mendoza family and the Casillas (there are 4 so far all Celtic) family were related via back to the Hapsburg. Again no jewish ties there. The Hapsburgs sent out their administrators to Mexico, it would not make sense again that the same family that expelled the jews from Spain would send Jewish administrators to his new gold mine of a country/ Mexico.
Here is my ysearch.org entry, with over 500 years of Celtic descendants…
http://www.ysearch.org/gedcom_show.asp?uid=&viewuid=FWRJ5
ysearch user:FWRJ5
In regards to the Perez family, there are over 30 entries, 10 of them being from Mexico all from mixed ancestory.
Again, if the family was part of the first colonists in los altos, then they were most likely Catholic, Celtic or Spainish descent and part and involved of the Orden of Santiago.
It gets a little tiring to hear about these crypto jewish claims about my family, when the dna evidence, historical books, actual birth/marriage certificates and scientific studies support what my family has always known.
There is a huge business and industry currently for dna sites testing mexicans for jewish ancestory. There should be if there isn’t studies to the cultural psychological fascination for the want to be jewish.
Hello Robert and mr Ruben Casillas (pariente)
I agree 100% I know that Ruben and I have independantly through research and dna testing that the families are Celtic and European, not of jewish ancestory. Both Ruben and I have seen also read Alberto Casillas book on the Casillas, an intensive lineage of the Casillas and the related families. Ruben has also written a book recently.
The families are not jewish, the Catholic religion is based on jewish traditions, this is not the same as being from the Hebrew/Hyskos people who came out of Egypt.
To me this fantasy of wanting to be jewish stems from wanting to be something else, the other, the victim…what an irony since the families from los Altos came out of the families that were the aggressors, the victimizer, we are the conquistadores and colonists.
I’m going to repost a comment I made above:
I’d like to see the genetic evidence and any documentation to the comment above. The evidence that I have read is to the contrary. The colonists were mostly part of the “orden de santiago” a hardcore Catholic group, hardcore enough to kill for their religion. Thus consistent with what we already knew about conquistadors and 1st colonists, they were Catholic and of mostly Celtic origins.
Genetic evidence of these names have been found to be Celtic indigenous and Celtic Frisian. King Carlos V the Hapsburg was instrumental to conquering of Mexico and his people where instrumental to inquisition. He was after all the holy Roman Emperor, king to many kings in Europe. So, there was a very acute conscious effort to make Mexico a Catholic country. Those that came from Spain, again very conscious effort to make sure they too were Catholic.
Second, we need to remember that the majority of our roots are Roman Catholic. If you look at the dna sequences from mediterranean there is a great chance of being part of the Roman empire. Everything from dna groups r1b, j1, j2, k and so forth.
Scientific Study
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2006/02/no-significant-crypto-jewish-ancestry.html
Second independant Study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18161845?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2
.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_SingleItemSupl.Pubmed_Discovery_R
A&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed
The Only Mendoza family on www.ysearch.org that claims Mexican ancestory is actually haplogroup R1b again Celtic/Germanic. The user code is ERC6H.
Mendoza Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows according to Nordvert’s Haplogroup Predictor:
R1b-North/South 2 =>31% R1b-Leinster =>31% R1b =>7% R1b-North/South 1 =>7% R1b-S26 =>7% R1b-S28 =>7% R1b-N.Irish =>2% R1b-M222 (NW Irish) =>2% R1b-Frisian =>1% R1b-Ub =>1%
There was a 1 Mendoza family in Chile that is Middle Eastern, however this is not the family that we are talking about.
I often hear people making jewish ancestory claims, I feel compelled to log on an comment on this fantasy. Why? Because my family, the Casillas are descendant of Frisians Celtic-p invaders. From the same region that was the power center of Hapsburgs or Carlos V. At that time the Netherlands belonged to Spain and was the Catholic Power Center. The Viceroy Mendoza family and the Casillas (there are 4 so far all Celtic) family were related via back to the Hapsburg. Again no jewish ties there. The Hapsburgs sent out their administrators to Mexico, it would not make sense again that the same family that expelled the jews from Spain would send Jewish administrators to his new gold mine of a country/ Mexico.
Here is my ysearch.org entry, with over 500 years of Celtic descendants…
http://www.ysearch.org/gedcom_show.asp?uid=&viewuid=FWRJ5
ysearch user:FWRJ5
In regards to the Perez family, there are over 30 entries, 10 of them being from Mexico all from mixed ancestory.
Again, if the family was part of the first colonists in los altos, then they were most likely Catholic, Celtic or Spainish descent and part and involved of the Orden of Santiago.
It gets a little tiring to hear about these crypto jewish claims about my family, when the dna evidence, historical books, actual birth/marriage certificates and scientific studies support what my family has always known.
There is a huge business and industry currently for dna sites testing mexicans for jewish ancestory. There should be if there isn’t studies to the cultural psychological fascination for the want to be jewish.
Hello actapatio,primo, falta poco para terminar el segundo libro, llevo 160 paginas, es el libro de Jose Alberto corregido y aumentado, y alli esta tu rama genealógica , Saludos
Ruben Casillas M.
— El sáb 27-feb-10, actapatio2007@yahoo.com escribió:
De:: actapatio2007@yahoo.com
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los
A: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: sábado, 27 de febrero de 2010, 12:36
Hello Robert and mr Ruben Casillas (pariente)
I agree 100% I know that Ruben and I have independantly through research and dna testing that the families are Celtic and European, not of jewish ancestory. Both Ruben and I have seen also read Alberto Casillas book on the Casillas, an intensive lineage of the Casillas and the related families. Ruben has also written a book recently.
The families are not jewish, the Catholic religion is based on jewish traditions, this is not the same as being from the Hebrew/Hyskos people who came out of Egypt.
To me this fantasy of wanting to be jewish stems from wanting to be something else, the other, the victim…what an irony since the families from los Altos came out of the families that were the aggressors, the victimizer, we are the conquistadores and colonists.
I’m going to repost a comment I made above:
I’d like to see the genetic evidence and any documentation to the comment above. The evidence that I have read is to the contrary. The colonists were mostly part of the “orden de santiago” a hardcore Catholic group, hardcore enough to kill for their religion. Thus consistent with what we already knew about conquistadors and 1st colonists, they were Catholic and of mostly Celtic origins.
Genetic evidence of these names have been found to be Celtic indigenous and Celtic Frisian. King Carlos V the Hapsburg was instrumental to conquering of Mexico and his people where instrumental to inquisition. He was after all the holy Roman Emperor, king to many kings in Europe. So, there was a very acute conscious effort to make Mexico a Catholic country. Those that came from Spain, again very conscious effort to make sure they too were Catholic.
Second, we need to remember that the majority of our roots are Roman Catholic. If you look at the dna sequences from mediterranean there is a great chance of being part of the Roman empire. Everything from dna groups r1b, j1, j2, k and so forth.
Scientific Study http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2006/02/no-significant-crypto-jewish-ancestry.html
Second independant Study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18161845?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2
.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_SingleItemSupl.Pubmed_Discovery_R
A&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed
The Only Mendoza family on www.ysearch.org that claims Mexican ancestory is actually haplogroup R1b again Celtic/Germanic. The user code is ERC6H.
Mendoza Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows according to Nordvert’s Haplogroup Predictor:
R1b-North/South 2 =>31% R1b-Leinster =>31% R1b =>7% R1b-North/South 1 =>7% R1b-S26 =>7% R1b-S28 =>7% R1b-N.Irish =>2% R1b-M222 (NW Irish) =>2% R1b-Frisian =>1% R1b-Ub =>1%
There was a 1 Mendoza family in Chile that is Middle Eastern, however this is not the family that we are talking about.
I often hear people making jewish ancestory claims, I feel compelled to log on an comment on this fantasy. Why? Because my family, the Casillas are descendant of Frisians Celtic-p invaders. From the same region that was the power center of Hapsburgs or Carlos V. At that time the Netherlands belonged to Spain and was the Catholic Power Center. The Viceroy Mendoza family and the Casillas (there are 4 so far all Celtic) family were related via back to the Hapsburg. Again no jewish ties there. The Hapsburgs sent out their administrators to Mexico, it would not make sense again that the same family that expelled the jews from Spain would send Jewish administrators to his new gold mine of a country/ Mexico.
Here is my ysearch.org entry, with over 500 years of Celtic descendants…
http://www.ysearch.org/gedcom_show.asp?uid=&viewuid=FWRJ5
ysearch user:FWRJ5
In regards to the Perez family, there are over 30 entries, 10 of them being from Mexico all from mixed ancestory.
Again, if the family was part of the first colonists in los altos, then they were most likely Catholic, Celtic or Spainish descent and part and involved of the Orden of Santiago.
It gets a little tiring to hear about these crypto jewish claims about my family, when the dna evidence, historical books, actual birth/marriage certificates and scientific studies support what my family has always known.
There is a huge business and industry currently for dna sites testing mexicans for jewish ancestory. There should be if there isn’t studies to the cultural psychological fascination for the want to be jewish. — — — — — — — — — — — — —
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“Genetic evidence” and evidence you “have read” is like comparing apples and oranges. People used to adopt surnames as was convenient for various reasons especially to gain money and position.
My husband, who is descended from Altenos (the Albas, Cervantes, Ruis de Esparza, Rubalcabas, etc.) has no illusions about his ancestry either in Mexico or going back to Spain.
He just showed me this paragraph from one of his books about the admixture of cultures in Spain over the centuries: “Christian families with more pedigree than cash, or with a prudent respect for ability accepted them [Jews] in marriage. ..In this way the Spanish people, especially the upper classes, received a substantial infusion of Jewish blood. Ferdinand the Catholic and Torquemada the Inquisitor had Jews in their ancestry. Pope Paul IV, at war with Phillip II, called him and the Spanish ‘worthless seed of the Jews and Moors'”.
I know that the rest of Europe looked askance at Spaniards and Portuguese as not being Europeans. Wasn’t there a dust-up about allowing them into the EU?
So, it seems to me that the Spaniards are as mongrel a race as mestizos are now considered, and they always were. Neither Spaniards in the Old World or the New World were “pure” anything.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: actapatio2007@yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:26:30 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los Altos
>
> I’d like to see the genetic evidence and any documentation to the comment above. The evidence that I have read is to the contrary. The colonists were mostly part of the “orden de santiago” a hardcore Catholic group, hardcore enough to kill for their religion. Thus consistent with what we already knew about conquistadors and 1st colonists, they were Catholic and of mostly Celtic origins.
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> Genetic evidence of these names have been found to be Celtic indigenous and Celtic Frisian. King Carlos V the Hapsburg was instrumental to conquering of Mexico and his people where instrumental to inquisition. He was after all the holy Roman Emperor, king to many kings in Europe. So, there was a very acute conscious effort to make Mexico a Catholic country. Those that came from Spain, again very conscious effort to make sure they too were Catholic.
>
> Second, we need to remember that the majority of our roots are Roman Catholic. If you look at the dna sequences from mediterranean there is a great chance of being part of the Roman empire. Everything from dna groups r1b, j1, j2, k and so forth.
>
> Scientific Study
> http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2006/02/no-significant-crypto-jewish-ancestry.html
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> Second independant Study
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18161845?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2
> .PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_SingleItemSupl.Pubmed_Discovery_R
> A&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed
>
> The Only Mendoza family on www.ysearch.org that claims Mexican ancestory is actually haplogroup R1b again Celtic/Germanic. The user code is ERC6H.
>
> Mendoza Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows according to Nordvert’s Haplogroup Predictor:
> R1b-North/South 2 =>31% R1b-Leinster =>31% R1b =>7% R1b-North/South 1 =>7% R1b-S26 =>7% R1b-S28 =>7% R1b-N.Irish =>2% R1b-M222 (NW Irish) =>2% R1b-Frisian =>1% R1b-Ub =>1%
>
> There was a 1 Mendoza family in Chile that is Middle Eastern, however this is not the family that we are talking about.
>
> I often hear people making jewish ancestory claims, I feel compelled to log on an comment on this fantasy. Why? Because my family, the Casillas are descendant of Frisians Celtic-p invaders. From the same region that was the power center of Hapsburgs or Carlos V. At that time the Netherlands belonged to Spain and was the Catholic Power Center. The Viceroy Mendoza family and the Casillas (there are 4 so far all Celtic) family were related via back to the Hapsburg. Again no jewish ties there. The Hapsburgs sent out their administrators to Mexico, it would not make sense again that the same family that expelled the jews from Spain would send Jewish administrators to his new gold mine of a country/ Mexico.
>
> Here is my ysearch.org entry, with over 500 years of Celtic descendants…
> http://www.ysearch.org/gedcom_show.asp?uid=&viewuid=FWRJ5
> ysearch user:FWRJ5
>
> In regards to the Perez family, there are over 30 entries, 10 of them being from Mexico all from mixed ancestory.
>
> Again, if the family was part of the first colonists in los altos, then they were most likely Catholic, Celtic or Spainish descent and part and involved of the Orden of Santiago.
>
> It gets a little tiring to hear about these crypto jewish claims about my family, when the dna evidence, historical books, actual birth/marriage certificates and scientific studies support what my family has always known.
>
> There is a huge business and industry currently for dna sites testing mexicans for jewish ancestory. There should be if there isn’t studies to the cultural psychological fascination for the want to be jewish.
Hello Emile
As of now there is an amplitude of genetic studies pro and con trying to clamp down on a “Jewish” signature in a person’s dna. At first it was believed that the CMH or Cohen Modal Haplogroup repeating code was a signature that must, and I mean must, mean Jewish ancestory.
Unfortunately for those believing that the CMH was the end all say all in proving descendancy from the Priest Aaron, brother of Moses was spread throughout several
y paternal Haplogroups. Which would have made it out of the range in Torah or Old Testament Timelines.
At this point, the current idea is that haplogroup J1e, which according to one mutation rate is the y haplo marker for descendacy of the man from the Hyskos group named Aaron. Read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aaron
But there is another camp, which believes that this marker appeared around Roman times, which could be a priestly survivor of the Jewish Diaspora. Anyone having this marker has a higher chance of being original Hebrew/Hyskos. Therefore jews having other markers are converts to that religion.
I’d like to know what marker is specifically Jewish non Cohen? Or is it a matter of just believes and religions?
Polemic topic to follow:
Recall, that the students of Paul who were Greco-Romans found Judiasm appealing except for one minor detail. You can find this in the letters of Paul against James and Peter. That detail was circumcision. To the Greco-Romans-Egyptians saw this as a sign of slavery. To men who practice Judiasm this a sign of a contract with their God. In the southwest there are people who’s fathers and fathers fathers practiced this secretly. So another potential marker besides a haplogroup of middle eastern origin could be this practice. I guess asking your grandfather if this was practiced could be an indicator as well.
