I think people need to remember there is no such thing as the “pure race”. Thereis no such thing. Though there is “limpieza de sangre” I might be super whitein appearacene but have a mxture of peoples that make my ancestry. I thinklots of people say there are no whites in Mexico and then some say the whiteones are not Mexican at all. Mexico is a diversed country of natives and immigrantsjust like any American country. We are all mixed. About 3/4 of the white population inthe US have some native american or african blood. Which says something, just likein Mexico the whites have at least some native or african blood. Altenos are usually regardedas “the old white aristocracy of Western Mexico” I think thats why most of us dont wantto hear the jewish, black or native blood that one might have. Of course this doesnt mean we are 100% of converso or native blood. I have one black line and two nativeamerican lines, and some jewish lines but mostly european, this shows the diverse bac
kground I have. I might have some moorish blood but havent found any yet.
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Most of the founding alteno families were from the North in Spain so thatmight explain the strong Celtic and Germanic roots. Some did comefrom the south.
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> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: gandalf3.1@netzero.com
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:59:51 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] General Digest Aaron
>
> Hello
>
> Yes we are talking about the founding Altenos (non meso americans) of that region as a
> majority were Western Europeans paternally. As the main topic claims that they were
> jewish, I am proving as a descendant of one of the settlers and having taking a DNA test
> that my return was one of the R1b Celtic subclades. Yes there are many different
> subclades down from R1b, however again restating, the Casillas from Martin Casillas was
> determined by Nordvert’s haplogroup predictor to be Frisian, which is also a designator
> of Celtic-p language, a second Celtic invasionary group into England, designated by their
> version of the language. My marker was first identified by Oxford University as the
> Oesin tribe line prior to National Geographic or Familytreedna testing. So knowing that
> my family was one of the original Altenos to whom Martin Casillas was given a part of
> Jalos now known as el Valle de Guadalupe and his people were sent to pacify the land from
> the
> native tribes, I feel confident in saying that the majority of original colonist of this
> area were of R1b and specifically the land given to was R1b1b2 subclade Frisian Celts-p.
>
> Of the original back bone familes from los Altos, namely Barba, Cabrera,
> Casillas, Hermosillo to say the least they have returned R1b with their respective
> subclades, Altantic to other R1b Germanic groups. As posted on www.ysearch.org feel free
> to check them out… To me it’s no coincidence that these like descendants were working
> together.
>
> (I saw the King Tut special, and read the early forums, potentially R1b, I
> calculated y group L but I didn’t see the twin peak returns which indicate R1b, we shall
> see what Dr.Hawas finally reveals, very political to say the least).
>
> As we know R1b and their respective subclade is present in about 50% of all Europeans
> today. Up to 68% Males from Jalisco and Chihuaha seem to be returning same purportional
> European heritage (I’ll have get a break down of y haplos). Zacatecas and Northern
> Mexicans more substantial middle eastern/medittereanean returns.
>
> Hi Aaron, funny thing…I’m also a decendant of a Casillas clan, not sure if it’s the one you are referring too though. My family, the Gonzalez-Casillas were one of the first Spanish families to settle the villa San Jose De Bazarte, which was originally calle “San Jose de Moctezuma. My great grandfather, Gregorio Gonzalez was married to Teodosia Casillas and he is buried underneath the altar of the small church capia in the villa itself. The Gonzalez clan were known as “Los Valientes” because of their tendency to fight, not only for their own self preservation, but in the causes of others. They were known for their abilites as horsemen, something to be proud of since most Altenos learn to ride at an ealry age. My grandfather and his brothers were all large men, six foot plus, and all blond haired and blue eyed, except my granfather who had jet black hair. The reason I’m telling you this is because , one….maybe we’re realted…two their DNA was not R1b…rather it is E-V1
3.
> How can you say “most” Altenos are R1b ? Has there even been a DNA study conducted made up of all Altenos ? I’m sorry Aaron, but these commnets are still pretty broad to me. Please forgive me if I’m wrong but it seems that relating Altenos to the R1b subclade is in order to give them a more distinguished lineage, which in essence means that the “Celtic” R1b marker is somehow “better” than others. I hope I’m mistaken and this ins’t the case.

Spain is as European as it gets, I think many people are shocked that”white people” speak Spanish, the Spaniards and their descendants.European=Christian. I think its the English who invited Spain to becomethe next member of the EU. England and Spain have always had an interestingrelationship. The EU was also formed in an effort to unite Europe. We say WWI andWWII how nationalism and the belief of superiority led to the destructionof Europe. Not all of Europe is in the EU perhaps they still dont seecertain countries as their equal, not sure. But in reality all Europeansare related. All of our ancestors came from the Germanic, Latin, Ruso,Greeks, Celtic and Roman people.
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> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:46:49 -0600
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los Altos
>
> I don’t see where he made a statement of Spaniards being “pure”. You do seem
> to want Spaniards to have even more Jewish and Moorish ancestry than what
> could be the case. Spain is 67% European origin, mainly R1b. No one is
> certain what the actual ethnic origins of of the non-R1b people are, they
> only know where most of the people are today that share that DNA and
> specific markers. Therefore as stated before, it could be what some people
> call Y-DNA of Moors and Jews could actually be of other ethnic groups.
>
> Why the comments about what the Pope said and whether or not the EU wanted
> to accept Spain? I don’t see how they matter. Calling us mongrels is pretty
> low.
>
> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Emilie Garcia
> wrote:
>
>>
>> “Genetic evidence” and evidence you “have read” is like comparing apples
>> and oranges. People used to adopt surnames as was convenient for various
>> reasons especially to gain money and position.
>>
>>
>>
>> My husband, who is descended from Altenos (the Albas, Cervantes, Ruis de
>> Esparza, Rubalcabas, etc.) has no illusions about his ancestry either in
>> Mexico or going back to Spain.
>>
>>
>>
>> He just showed me this paragraph from one of his books about the admixture
>> of cultures in Spain over the centuries: “Christian families with more
>> pedigree than cash, or with a prudent respect for ability accepted them
>> [Jews] in marriage. ..In this way the Spanish people, especially the upper
>> classes, received a substantial infusion of Jewish blood. Ferdinand the
>> Catholic and Torquemada the Inquisitor had Jews in their ancestry. Pope
>> Paul IV, at war with Phillip II, called him and the Spanish ‘worthless seed
>> of the Jews and Moors'”.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know that the rest of Europe looked askance at Spaniards and Portuguese
>> as not being Europeans. Wasn’t there a dust-up about allowing them into the
>> EU?
>>
>>
>>
>> So, it seems to me that the Spaniards are as mongrel a race as mestizos are
>> now considered, and they always were. Neither Spaniards in the Old World or
>> the New World were “pure” anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> Emilie
>>
>> Port Orchard, WA
>>
>>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>>> From: actapatio2007@yahoo.com
>>> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:26:30 -0800
>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los Altos
>>>
>>> I’d like to see the genetic evidence and any documentation to the comment
>> above. The evidence that I have read is to the contrary. The colonists were
>> mostly part of the “orden de santiago” a hardcore Catholic group, hardcore
>> enough to kill for their religion. Thus consistent with what we already knew
>> about conquistadors and 1st colonists, they were Catholic and of mostly
>> Celtic origins.
>>>
>>> Genetic evidence of these names have been found to be Celtic indigenous
>> and Celtic Frisian. King Carlos V the Hapsburg was instrumental to
>> conquering of Mexico and his people where instrumental to inquisition. He
>> was after all the holy Roman Emperor, king to many kings in Europe. So,
>> there was a very acute conscious effort to make Mexico a Catholic country.
>> Those that came from Spain, again very conscious effort to make sure they
>> too were Catholic.
>>>
>>> Second, we need to remember that the majority of our roots are Roman
>> Catholic. If you look at the dna sequences from mediterranean there is a
>> great chance of being part of the Roman empire. Everything from dna groups
>> r1b, j1, j2, k and so forth.
>>>
>>> Scientific Study
>>>
>> http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2006/02/no-significant-crypto-jewish-ancestry.html
>>>
>>> Second independant Study
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18161845?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2
>>>
>> .PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_SingleItemSupl.Pubmed_Discovery_R
>>> A&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed
>>>
>>> The Only Mendoza family on www.ysearch.org that claims Mexican ancestory
>> is actually haplogroup R1b again Celtic/Germanic. The user code is ERC6H.
>>>
>>> Mendoza Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows according to
>> Nordvert’s Haplogroup Predictor:
>>> R1b-North/South 2 =>31% R1b-Leinster =>31% R1b =>7% R1b-North/South 1
>> =>7% R1b-S26 =>7% R1b-S28 =>7% R1b-N.Irish =>2% R1b-M222 (NW Irish) =>2%
>> R1b-Frisian =>1% R1b-Ub =>1%
>>>
>>> There was a 1 Mendoza family in Chile that is Middle Eastern, however
>> this is not the family that we are talking about.
>>>
>>> I often hear people making jewish ancestory claims, I feel compelled to
>> log on an comment on this fantasy. Why? Because my family, the Casillas are
>> descendant of Frisians Celtic-p invaders. From the same region that was the
>> power center of Hapsburgs or Carlos V. At that time the Netherlands belonged
>> to Spain and was the Catholic Power Center. The Viceroy Mendoza family and
>> the Casillas (there are 4 so far all Celtic) family were related via back to
>> the Hapsburg. Again no jewish ties there. The Hapsburgs sent out their
>> administrators to Mexico, it would not make sense again that the same family
>> that expelled the jews from Spain would send Jewish administrators to his
>> new gold mine of a country/ Mexico.
>>>
>>> Here is my ysearch.org entry, with over 500 years of Celtic
>> descendants…
>>> http://www.ysearch.org/gedcom_show.asp?uid=&viewuid=FWRJ5
>>> ysearch user:FWRJ5
>>>
>>> In regards to the Perez family, there are over 30 entries, 10 of them
>> being from Mexico all from mixed ancestory.
>>>
>>> Again, if the family was part of the first colonists in los altos, then
>> they were most likely Catholic, Celtic or Spainish descent and part and
>> involved of the Orden of Santiago.
>>>
>>> It gets a little tiring to hear about these crypto jewish claims about my
>> family, when the dna evidence, historical books, actual birth/marriage
>> certificates and scientific studies support what my family has always known.
>>>
>>> There is a huge business and industry currently for dna sites testing
>> mexicans for jewish ancestory. There should be if there isn’t studies to the
>> cultural psychological fascination for the want to be jewish.
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MyGenes2000 (don’t know your name):

Your post here is very thoughtful and thorough and you do such a good job of explaining that descendancy in one line is not static as to haplogroup, that some branches off, etc. To say that Altenos cannot possibly have some Jewish blood is to deny the admixtures that had been produced in Europe and brought to the New World due to the mixing of peoples from everywhere in the Roman Empire for centuries.

My husband descends from Altenos from Aguascalientes and Jalisco going back to the 1600s as far as I can track. He is tall, white, a typical tapatio. His great-grandfather was born in Encarnacion de Diaz in 1864, his grandfather was born there too in 1890. They immigrated to El Paso Texas in 1895, and his father was born there in 1909, and my husband was also born in El Paso in 1935. These men, all Altenos, on both paternal and maternal sides, were all circumcized! How about that? According to my husband, it was a family custom! Circumcision is a common practice today, but it wasn’t in Mexico or in El Paso among Mexicans then.

I devulge this fact because it was said by someone that circumcision was a mark of slavery, yet as far as I can figure, these men were merchants in Mexico, and in El Paso. No slaves they. Why would these Altenos continue a practice for generations that normally only Jews did? During the Inquisition in Mexico, a man could get burned at the stake for having been circumcized, no?

Thank you, MyGenes2000 for supporting my statement taken from one of my husbands’ books about the Jewish ancestry of King Ferdinand the Catholic, but Pope Paul IV said that about King Phillip II who was at war with the Pope.

Here is something else from one of my husband’s books, the Seven Storey Mountain by Thomas Merton: “How did it ever happen that, when the dregs of the world had collected in Western Europe, when Goth and Frank and Norman and Lombard had mingled with the rot of old Rome to form a patchwork of hybrid races ………that from all this, there should come Gregorian chant, monasteries and cathedrals……”. Of course, Merton was a Frenchman, and he goes on to laud France as being the repository of everything so much better than anywhere else, their stonemason the best builders in the world of cathedrals, etc. I guess it is just the nature of people to be so provincial.

Emilie

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>
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> > Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:53:10 +0000
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Los Altos – Are we confusing Crypto withConverso?
> >
> > When I said that some of the founding families of los altos had ancestors that were jewish I was not stating that they continued practicing judaism though I know that one family did and there was a big trial and the record of the trial still exists today.
> > This notion of looking at one genetic marker does not make sense to me. One of the emails someone sent states that the evidence is not existent. Let me assure everyone that the evidence does exist. Remember that we have 2 parents 4 grandparents 8 great grandparents and the number doubles every generation. By the time you go back over 1000 years you find that we altenos are descendents of moors jews english french italians vikings russians germans africans spanish and many other people. My research includes all my ancestors and digging to find as much as I can about them. The people we descend from did intermarry a tremendous amount over 70 generations but every once in a while married someone outside the family.
> > Another ancestor of altenos that had jewish blood was catalina salazar her ancestors were conversos who worked for the king as what we would call treasurers or bankers.
> > As to King ferdinand the catholic being accused of having some jewish and moor blood by the pope I state that he was right because I did his genealogy since he and us altenos share many of the same ancestral lines.
> > I was not surprised to find jewish and moor ancestors knowing the history of spain. What I was surprised to find was the viking russian and german lines but that explains the blue eyes in my dad and many family members.
> > I was also surprised to find that i was primarily white with very little indian blood
> > What some altenos fail to recognize was That there were some free mulattos in the 1600’s and 1700’s that married into the White families of jalos and the descendents, who show no sign of african blood spread through jalos tepa valle pegueros and other Alteno towns.
> > My father’s mulatto ancestor was from teocaltiche jalisco And he was born in the late 1600’s or early 1700’s. His marriage record does noT state when he was born. I have never mentioned this ancestor to many of my family on his side knowing how many of them are very proud of being so white and would reject any mention of an ancestry that included an ancestor that did not meet their dreams.
> > Going back to the markers, we descend from over 32000 people just going 15 generations back. Actually with all the intermarriage it isn’t really isn’t that many, but we do have some family members marrying from outside the main founder families otherwise we altenos would have the exacly same genealogies and we don’t. I found that my father in law mother in law my father and my mother all have many common ancestors yet they all have some unique ancestral branches. My parents and in laws are altenos. My Wife and I are 5th cousins, my family from valle de gpe tepa and jAlos and her family from san miguel el Alto and jalos We are actually 6th cousins from the same martin del campo ancestor 7 times over.
> > I have done many of the genealogies of people in west la santa monica area who descend from valle de gpe jalos pegueros arandas tepa and I find many common ancestors with their own unique ancestral branches where they married outsidE the core families. What These branches that are outside the core family groups contribute to the gene pool is actually healthy. In the valle and pegueros there are a couple of families that resisted marrying outside oF the main founders and they have a history of genetic health issues.
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
> > Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:30:06
> > To:
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Los Altos – Are we confusing Crypto with
> > Converso?
> >
> > I can appreciate that Nuestros Ranchos members are all at different stages of research. Some are newbies, while others have been doing this for decades…so it is with an open mind and a heart full of respect that I write this post.
> >
> > Is the argument we are having against the idea that we may have old Converso ancestry, or that someone out there is disseminating stories that there were Crypto Jews in Los Altos? I am reading both in the previous posts.
> >
> > When we think about ALTENO settlers, yes–some may have been descendants of “Converso” Jews who converted to Christianity when the monarchs of Spain gave Jews an option to covert or leave the country. But by the time our ancestors took up the sword to conquer and pillage Nueva Galicia, they were assimilated Catholics (presumably). Besides the fact that some were knights in the various military Orders (recognized as religious by the Pope), they had to prove they were “old Christians” and present genealogical evidence and have witnesses to confirmed their Christian standing before leaving Spain. Further evidence of their Christian fervor is noted by the huge sums of money they gave to the clergy to build churches and convents…and let’s not forget that they left large sums to the Church in their wills.
> >
> > So technically, yes, some of us could be descendants of the early (1492) conversos who embraced and assimilated into their new faith, but practicing “Crypto” Jews in Los Altos is another story.
> >
> > If it’s the latter, a fair and logical question would be: If there were cryptos in Los Altos, practicing Judaism in secret, wouldn’t there be a sizable population of Jews in this area now? From what my Jewish friends tell me–Jews never forsake their faith; it remains strong generation after generation (it is inculcated in their children)…so why did the Alteno Jews forsake their faith versus practicing it openly after Mexico was secularized?
> >
> > I am not discrediting anybody’s research if there are solid facts regarding Crypto Jews in Los Altos. All of us here, newbies and seasoned, would welcome anything that supports this theory. So if anyone has evidence to share, please post it here!
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Well said Robert, I dont think anyone can say all altenos have a certain blood until oneunderstands the genetics of that person. To say he has to have moor or converso bloodjust because he is spaniard is a bit iffy. Im sure there are Altenos that dont even have nativeamerican blood and there are people saying he has to just because. Doesnt make sense.
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> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: actapatio2007@yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:03:47 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los
>
> Que tal primo! Muchas de las tradiciones judias son evoluciones de traditiones del meditereanio o de los orignes de Iraq y Eypto.

Not only the French but also remember that Spaniards can also carry almost any halogroupeveryone n Europe is related. Im sure some Spaniards that arrived carried I1 ultra nordic.
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> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: actapatio2007@yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:02:01 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los
>
> Well said Armando, very well said. My Alvarez lineage (valle de guadalupe) returned Haplogroup I1 ultra nordic. With hits in Eastern England and throughout Scandanavia. It is my current believe that this part of the family came to los Altos with the French, descendants of Normans who were descendants of Vikings…
>
> We can be found on facebook under haplogroup I1

How exactly is the Viceroy and the Casillas related? Whats the common link?I descend from both famiilies.
Thanks,
Daniel

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> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: actapatio2007@yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:36:17 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los
>
> Hello Robert and mr Ruben Casillas (pariente)
>
> I agree 100% I know that Ruben and I have independantly through research and dna testing that the families are Celtic and European, not of jewish ancestory. Both Ruben and I have seen also read Alberto Casillas book on the Casillas, an intensive lineage of the Casillas and the related families. Ruben has also written a book recently.
>
> The families are not jewish, the Catholic religion is based on jewish traditions, this is not the same as being from the Hebrew/Hyskos people who came out of Egypt.
>
> To me this fantasy of wanting to be jewish stems from wanting to be something else, the other, the victim…what an irony since the families from los Altos came out of the families that were the aggressors, the victimizer, we are the conquistadores and colonists.
>
> I’m going to repost a comment I made above:
> I’d like to see the genetic evidence and any documentation to the comment above. The evidence that I have read is to the contrary. The colonists were mostly part of the “orden de santiago” a hardcore Catholic group, hardcore enough to kill for their religion. Thus consistent with what we already knew about conquistadors and 1st colonists, they were Catholic and of mostly Celtic origins.
>
> Genetic evidence of these names have been found to be Celtic indigenous and Celtic Frisian. King Carlos V the Hapsburg was instrumental to conquering of Mexico and his people where instrumental to inquisition. He was after all the holy Roman Emperor, king to many kings in Europe. So, there was a very acute conscious effort to make Mexico a Catholic country. Those that came from Spain, again very conscious effort to make sure they too were Catholic.
>
> Second, we need to remember that the majority of our roots are Roman Catholic. If you look at the dna sequences from mediterranean there is a great chance of being part of the Roman empire. Everything from dna groups r1b, j1, j2, k and so forth.
>
> Scientific Study
> http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2006/02/no-significant-crypto-jewish-ancestry.html
>
> Second independant Study
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18161845?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2
> .PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_SingleItemSupl.Pubmed_Discovery_R
> A&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed
>
> The Only Mendoza family on www.ysearch.org that claims Mexican ancestory is actually haplogroup R1b again Celtic/Germanic. The user code is ERC6H.
>
> Mendoza Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows according to Nordvert’s Haplogroup Predictor:
> R1b-North/South 2 =>31% R1b-Leinster =>31% R1b =>7% R1b-North/South 1 =>7% R1b-S26 =>7% R1b-S28 =>7% R1b-N.Irish =>2% R1b-M222 (NW Irish) =>2% R1b-Frisian =>1% R1b-Ub =>1%
>
> There was a 1 Mendoza family in Chile that is Middle Eastern, however this is not the family that we are talking about.
>
> I often hear people making jewish ancestory claims, I feel compelled to log on an comment on this fantasy. Why? Because my family, the Casillas are descendant of Frisians Celtic-p invaders. From the same region that was the power center of Hapsburgs or Carlos V. At that time the Netherlands belonged to Spain and was the Catholic Power Center. The Viceroy Mendoza family and the Casillas (there are 4 so far all Celtic) family were related via back to the Hapsburg. Again no jewish ties there. The Hapsburgs sent out their administrators to Mexico, it would not make sense again that the same family that expelled the jews from Spain would send Jewish administrators to his new gold mine of a country/ Mexico.
>
> Here is my ysearch.org entry, with over 500 years of Celtic descendants…
> http://www.ysearch.org/gedcom_show.asp?uid=&viewuid=FWRJ5
> ysearch user:FWRJ5
>
> In regards to the Perez family, there are over 30 entries, 10 of them being from Mexico all from mixed ancestory.
>
> Again, if the family was part of the first colonists in los altos, then they were most likely Catholic, Celtic or Spainish descent and part and involved of the Orden of Santiago.
>
> It gets a little tiring to hear about these crypto jewish claims about my family, when the dna evidence, historical books, actual birth/marriage certificates and scientific studies support what my family has always known.
>
> There is a huge business and industry currently for dna sites testing mexicans for jewish ancestory. There should be if there isn’t studies to the cultural psychological fascination for the want to be jewish.

One My uncles has a circulatory problem that has a much higher incident rate in the jewish population. my in laws are from san miguel el alto and they have a skin disorder by they I mean my mother in law sister in law some of my wifes cousins and her brother get these skin discolorations, small blotches. This is predominantly a jewish genetic disorder. There are other stories in los altos that point to a jewish influence in certain families. The lomeli romo perez and franco.
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Hello R.A. Ricci, my family is from el Valle de Guadalupe. Is this docmented? Neither of my grandfathers r.i.p never said anything about this…please point me in the right direction…

King alfonso ix had a mistress leonor guzman that was not a mistress that was hidden in a castle. She lived her life and was treated as if she was the legitimate wife and took the place of queen as long as alfonso xI lived. Her sons from him are the ancestors of many altenos. She came from a prestigious jewish family.
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From: Emilie Garcia
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:33:30
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los Altos

“Genetic evidence” and evidence you “have read” is like comparing apples and oranges. People used to adopt surnames as was convenient for various reasons especially to gain money and position.

My husband, who is descended from Altenos (the Albas, Cervantes, Ruis de Esparza, Rubalcabas, etc.) has no illusions about his ancestry either in Mexico or going back to Spain.

He just showed me this paragraph from one of his books about the admixture of cultures in Spain over the centuries: “Christian families with more pedigree than cash, or with a prudent respect for ability accepted them [Jews] in marriage. ..In this way the Spanish people, especially the upper classes, received a substantial infusion of Jewish blood. Ferdinand the Catholic and Torquemada the Inquisitor had Jews in their ancestry. Pope Paul IV, at war with Phillip II, called him and the Spanish ‘worthless seed of the Jews and Moors'”.

I know that the rest of Europe looked askance at Spaniards and Portuguese as not being Europeans. Wasn’t there a dust-up about allowing them into the EU?

So, it seems to me that the Spaniards are as mongrel a race as mestizos are now considered, and they always were. Neither Spaniards in the Old World or the New World were “pure” anything.

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: actapatio2007@yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:26:30 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los Altos
>
> I’d like to see the genetic evidence and any documentation to the comment above. The evidence that I have read is to the contrary. The colonists were mostly part of the “orden de santiago” a hardcore Catholic group, hardcore enough to kill for their religion. Thus consistent with what we already knew about conquistadors and 1st colonists, they were Catholic and of mostly Celtic origins.
>
> Genetic evidence of these names have been found to be Celtic indigenous and Celtic Frisian. King Carlos V the Hapsburg was instrumental to conquering of Mexico and his people where instrumental to inquisition. He was after all the holy Roman Emperor, king to many kings in Europe. So, there was a very acute conscious effort to make Mexico a Catholic country. Those that came from Spain, again very conscious effort to make sure they too were Catholic.
>
> Second, we need to remember that the majority of our roots are Roman Catholic. If you look at the dna sequences from mediterranean there is a great chance of being part of the Roman empire. Everything from dna groups r1b, j1, j2, k and so forth.
>
> Scientific Study
> http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2006/02/no-significant-crypto-jewish-ancestry.html
>
> Second independant Study
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18161845?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2
> .PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_SingleItemSupl.Pubmed_Discovery_R
> A&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed
>
> The Only Mendoza family on www.ysearch.org that claims Mexican ancestory is actually haplogroup R1b again Celtic/Germanic. The user code is ERC6H.
>
> Mendoza Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows according to Nordvert’s Haplogroup Predictor:
> R1b-North/South 2 =>31% R1b-Leinster =>31% R1b =>7% R1b-North/South 1 =>7% R1b-S26 =>7% R1b-S28 =>7% R1b-N.Irish =>2% R1b-M222 (NW Irish) =>2% R1b-Frisian =>1% R1b-Ub =>1%
>
> There was a 1 Mendoza family in Chile that is Middle Eastern, however this is not the family that we are talking about.
>
> I often hear people making jewish ancestory claims, I feel compelled to log on an comment on this fantasy. Why? Because my family, the Casillas are descendant of Frisians Celtic-p invaders. From the same region that was the power center of Hapsburgs or Carlos V. At that time the Netherlands belonged to Spain and was the Catholic Power Center. The Viceroy Mendoza family and the Casillas (there are 4 so far all Celtic) family were related via back to the Hapsburg. Again no jewish ties there. The Hapsburgs sent out their administrators to Mexico, it would not make sense again that the same family that expelled the jews from Spain would send Jewish administrators to his new gold mine of a country/ Mexico.
>
> Here is my ysearch.org entry, with over 500 years of Celtic descendants…
> http://www.ysearch.org/gedcom_show.asp?uid=&viewuid=FWRJ5
> ysearch user:FWRJ5
>
> In regards to the Perez family, there are over 30 entries, 10 of them being from Mexico all from mixed ancestory.
>
> Again, if the family was part of the first colonists in los altos, then they were most likely Catholic, Celtic or Spainish descent and part and involved of the Orden of Santiago.
>
> It gets a little tiring to hear about these crypto jewish claims about my family, when the dna evidence, historical books, actual birth/marriage certificates and scientific studies support what my family has always known.
>
> There is a huge business and industry currently for dna sites testing mexicans for jewish ancestory. There should be if there isn’t studies to the cultural psychological fascination for the want to be jewish.

Wasnt only Leonor’s mom Jewish? I thought her paternal side was anoble family?
Regards,Daniel

To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org

> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 03:04:28 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los Altos
>
> King alfonso ix had a mistress leonor guzman that was not a mistress that was hidden in a castle. She lived her life and was treated as if she was the legitimate wife and took the place of queen as long as alfonso xI lived. Her sons from him are the ancestors of many altenos. She came from a prestigious jewish family.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Emilie Garcia
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:33:30
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los Altos
>
>
> “Genetic evidence” and evidence you “have read” is like comparing apples and oranges. People used to adopt surnames as was convenient for various reasons especially to gain money and position.
>
>
>
> My husband, who is descended from Altenos (the Albas, Cervantes, Ruis de Esparza, Rubalcabas, etc.) has no illusions about his ancestry either in Mexico or going back to Spain.
>
>
>
> He just showed me this paragraph from one of his books about the admixture of cultures in Spain over the centuries: “Christian families with more pedigree than cash, or with a prudent respect for ability accepted them [Jews] in marriage. ..In this way the Spanish people, especially the upper classes, received a substantial infusion of Jewish blood. Ferdinand the Catholic and Torquemada the Inquisitor had Jews in their ancestry. Pope Paul IV, at war with Phillip II, called him and the Spanish ‘worthless seed of the Jews and Moors'”.
>
>
>
> I know that the rest of Europe looked askance at Spaniards and Portuguese as not being Europeans. Wasn’t there a dust-up about allowing them into the EU?
>
>
>
> So, it seems to me that the Spaniards are as mongrel a race as mestizos are now considered, and they always were. Neither Spaniards in the Old World or the New World were “pure” anything.
>
>
>
> Emilie
>
> Port Orchard, WA
>
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > From: actapatio2007@yahoo.com
> > Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:26:30 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los Altos
> >
> > I’d like to see the genetic evidence and any documentation to the comment above. The evidence that I have read is to the contrary. The colonists were mostly part of the “orden de santiago” a hardcore Catholic group, hardcore enough to kill for their religion. Thus consistent with what we already knew about conquistadors and 1st colonists, they were Catholic and of mostly Celtic origins.
> >
> > Genetic evidence of these names have been found to be Celtic indigenous and Celtic Frisian. King Carlos V the Hapsburg was instrumental to conquering of Mexico and his people where instrumental to inquisition. He was after all the holy Roman Emperor, king to many kings in Europe. So, there was a very acute conscious effort to make Mexico a Catholic country. Those that came from Spain, again very conscious effort to make sure they too were Catholic.
> >
> > Second, we need to remember that the majority of our roots are Roman Catholic. If you look at the dna sequences from mediterranean there is a great chance of being part of the Roman empire. Everything from dna groups r1b, j1, j2, k and so forth.
> >
> > Scientific Study
> > http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2006/02/no-significant-crypto-jewish-ancestry.html
> >
> > Second independant Study
> >
> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18161845?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2
> > .PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_SingleItemSupl.Pubmed_Discovery_R
> > A&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed
> >
> > The Only Mendoza family on www.ysearch.org that claims Mexican ancestory is actually haplogroup R1b again Celtic/Germanic. The user code is ERC6H.
> >
> > Mendoza Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows according to Nordvert’s Haplogroup Predictor:
> > R1b-North/South 2 =>31% R1b-Leinster =>31% R1b =>7% R1b-North/South 1 =>7% R1b-S26 =>7% R1b-S28 =>7% R1b-N.Irish =>2% R1b-M222 (NW Irish) =>2% R1b-Frisian =>1% R1b-Ub =>1%
> >
> > There was a 1 Mendoza family in Chile that is Middle Eastern, however this is not the family that we are talking about.
> >
> > I often hear people making jewish ancestory claims, I feel compelled to log on an comment on this fantasy. Why? Because my family, the Casillas are descendant of Frisians Celtic-p invaders. From the same region that was the power center of Hapsburgs or Carlos V. At that time the Netherlands belonged to Spain and was the Catholic Power Center. The Viceroy Mendoza family and the Casillas (there are 4 so far all Celtic) family were related via back to the Hapsburg. Again no jewish ties there. The Hapsburgs sent out their administrators to Mexico, it would not make sense again that the same family that expelled the jews from Spain would send Jewish administrators to his new gold mine of a country/ Mexico.
> >
> > Here is my ysearch.org entry, with over 500 years of Celtic descendants…
> > http://www.ysearch.org/gedcom_show.asp?uid=&viewuid=FWRJ5
> > ysearch user:FWRJ5
> >
> > In regards to the Perez family, there are over 30 entries, 10 of them being from Mexico all from mixed ancestory.
> >
> > Again, if the family was part of the first colonists in los altos, then they were most likely Catholic, Celtic or Spainish descent and part and involved of the Orden of Santiago.
> >
> > It gets a little tiring to hear about these crypto jewish claims about my family, when the dna evidence, historical books, actual birth/marriage certificates and scientific studies support what my family has always known.
> >
> > There is a huge business and industry currently for dna sites testing mexicans for jewish ancestory. There should be if there isn’t studies to the cultural psychological fascination for the want to be jewish.
> > — — — — — — — — — — — — —
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> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
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>

Sounds like Psoraisis? or Ezcema?
Regards,Daniel

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> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 02:55:06 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los
>
> One My uncles has a circulatory problem that has a much higher incident rate in the jewish population. my in laws are from san miguel el alto and they have a skin disorder by they I mean my mother in law sister in law some of my wifes cousins and her brother get these skin discolorations, small blotches. This is predominantly a jewish genetic disorder. There are other stories in los altos that point to a jewish influence in certain families. The lomeli romo perez and franco.
> ——Original Message——
> From: actapatio2007@yahoo.com
> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> ReplyTo: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los
> Sent: Feb 27, 2010 6:09 PM
>
> Hello R.A. Ricci, my family is from el Valle de Guadalupe. Is this docmented? Neither of my grandfathers r.i.p never said anything about this…please point me in the right direction…

It’s called Fanconi Anemia. here’ a link to info about it.

http://www.mazornet.com/genetics/fanconi_anemia.htm

Eric Robledo Edgar

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
wrote:
>
> Sounds like Psoraisis? or Ezcema?
> Regards,Daniel
>
> To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org
>
>
>
>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
>> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 02:55:06 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los
>>
>> One My uncles has a circulatory problem that has a much higher incident rate in the jewish population.  my  in laws are from san miguel el alto and they have a skin disorder by they I mean my mother in law sister in law some of my wifes cousins and her brother get these skin discolorations, small blotches.  This is predominantly a jewish genetic disorder. There are other stories in los altos that point to a jewish influence in certain families. The lomeli romo perez and franco.
>> ——Original Message——
>> From: actapatio2007@yahoo.com
>> Sender: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> ReplyTo: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los
>> Sent: Feb 27, 2010 6:09 PM
>>
>> Hello R.A. Ricci, my family is from el Valle de Guadalupe.  Is this docmented?  Neither of my grandfathers r.i.p never said anything about this…please point me in the right direction…

Group,

I am really surprised this argument has dragged on this long, It
doesn’t seem to further any genealogical activity. I see a confusion
of race and relgion,and

everyone who offers DNA evidence so far has overlooked the female
MtDNA part of the equation. There are plenty of sites on the interent
where racial purity can be discussed.

Eric Robledo Edgar

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
wrote:
>
> Wasnt only Leonor’s mom Jewish? I thought her paternal side was anoble family?
> Regards,Daniel
>
> To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org
>
>
>
>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
>> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 03:04:28 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los Altos
>>
>> King alfonso ix had a mistress leonor guzman that was not a mistress that was hidden in a castle. She lived her life and was  treated as if she was the legitimate wife and took the place of queen as long as alfonso xI lived.  Her sons from him are the ancestors of many altenos.  She came from a prestigious jewish  family.
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: Emilie Garcia
>> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:33:30
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los Altos
>>
>>
>> “Genetic evidence” and evidence you “have read” is like comparing apples and oranges.  People used to adopt surnames as was convenient for various reasons especially to gain money and position.
>>
>>
>>
>> My husband, who is descended from Altenos (the Albas, Cervantes, Ruis de Esparza, Rubalcabas, etc.) has no illusions about his ancestry either in Mexico or going back to Spain.
>>
>>
>>
>> He just showed me this paragraph from one of his books about the admixture of cultures in Spain over the centuries:  “Christian families with more pedigree than cash, or with a prudent respect for ability accepted them [Jews] in marriage.  ..In this way the Spanish people, especially the upper classes, received a substantial infusion of Jewish blood.  Ferdinand the Catholic and Torquemada the Inquisitor had Jews in their ancestry.  Pope Paul IV, at war with Phillip II, called him and the Spanish ‘worthless seed of the Jews and Moors'”.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know that the rest of Europe looked askance at Spaniards and Portuguese as not being Europeans.  Wasn’t there a dust-up about allowing them into the EU?
>>
>>
>>
>> So, it seems to me that the Spaniards are as mongrel a race as mestizos are now considered, and they always were.  Neither Spaniards in the Old World or the New World were “pure” anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> Emilie
>>
>> Port Orchard, WA
>>
>> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> > From: actapatio2007@yahoo.com
>> > Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:26:30 -0800
>> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los Altos
>> >
>> > I’d like to see the genetic evidence and any documentation to the comment above. The evidence that I have read is to the contrary. The colonists were mostly part of the “orden de santiago” a hardcore Catholic group, hardcore enough to kill for their religion. Thus consistent with what we already knew about conquistadors and 1st colonists, they were Catholic and of mostly Celtic origins.
>> >
>> > Genetic evidence of these names have been found to be Celtic indigenous and Celtic Frisian. King Carlos V the Hapsburg was instrumental to conquering of Mexico and his people where instrumental to inquisition. He was after all the holy Roman Emperor, king to many kings in Europe. So, there was a very acute conscious effort to make Mexico a Catholic country. Those that came from Spain, again very conscious effort to make sure they too were Catholic.
>> >
>> > Second, we need to remember that the majority of our roots are Roman Catholic. If you look at the dna sequences from mediterranean there is a great chance of being part of the Roman empire. Everything from dna groups r1b, j1, j2, k and so forth.
>> >
>> > Scientific Study
>> > http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2006/02/no-significant-crypto-jewish-ancestry.html
>> >
>> > Second independant Study
>> >
>> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18161845?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2
>> > .PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_SingleItemSupl.Pubmed_Discovery_R
>> > A&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed
>> >
>> > The Only Mendoza family on www.ysearch.org that claims Mexican ancestory is actually haplogroup R1b again Celtic/Germanic. The user code is ERC6H.
>> >
>> > Mendoza Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows according to Nordvert’s Haplogroup Predictor:
>> > R1b-North/South 2 =>31% R1b-Leinster =>31% R1b =>7% R1b-North/South 1 =>7% R1b-S26 =>7% R1b-S28 =>7% R1b-N.Irish =>2% R1b-M222 (NW Irish) =>2% R1b-Frisian =>1% R1b-Ub =>1%
>> >
>> > There was a 1 Mendoza family in Chile that is Middle Eastern, however this is not the family that we are talking about.
>> >
>> > I often hear people making jewish ancestory claims, I feel compelled to log on an comment on this fantasy. Why? Because my family, the Casillas are descendant of Frisians Celtic-p invaders. From the same region that was the power center of Hapsburgs or Carlos V. At that time the Netherlands belonged to Spain and was the Catholic Power Center. The Viceroy Mendoza family and the Casillas (there are 4 so far all Celtic) family were related via back to the Hapsburg. Again no jewish ties there. The Hapsburgs sent out their administrators to Mexico, it would not make sense again that the same family that expelled the jews from Spain would send Jewish administrators to his new gold mine of a country/ Mexico.
>> >
>> > Here is my ysearch.org entry, with over 500 years of Celtic descendants…
>> > http://www.ysearch.org/gedcom_show.asp?uid=&viewuid=FWRJ5
>> > ysearch user:FWRJ5
>> >
>> > In regards to the Perez family, there are over 30 entries, 10 of them being from Mexico all from mixed ancestory.
>> >
>> > Again, if the family was part of the first colonists in los altos, then they were most likely Catholic, Celtic or Spainish descent and part and involved of the Orden of Santiago.
>> >
>> > It gets a little tiring to hear about these crypto jewish claims about my family, when the dna evidence, historical books, actual birth/marriage certificates and scientific studies support what my family has always known.
>> >
>> > There is a huge business and industry currently for dna sites testing mexicans for jewish ancestory. There should be if there isn’t studies to the cultural psychological fascination for the want to be jewish.
>> > — — — — — — — — — — — — —
>> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>> >
>> > To post, send email to:
>> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>> >
>> > To change your subscription, log on to:
>> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>

I agree. Although an important subject, is the appropriate forum?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

—–Original Message—–
From: eric edgar
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:53:43
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los Altos

Group,

I am really surprised this argument has dragged on this long, It
doesn’t seem to further any genealogical activity. I see a confusion
of race and relgion,and

everyone who offers DNA evidence so far has overlooked the female
MtDNA part of the equation. There are plenty of sites on the interent
where racial purity can be discussed.

Eric Robledo Edgar

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
wrote:
>
> Wasnt only Leonor’s mom Jewish? I thought her paternal side was anoble family?
> Regards,Daniel
>
> To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org
>
>
>
>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
>> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 03:04:28 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los Altos
>>
>> King alfonso ix had a mistress leonor guzman that was not a mistress that was hidden in a castle. She lived her life and was  treated as if she was the legitimate wife and took the place of queen as long as alfonso xI lived.  Her sons from him are the ancestors of many altenos.  She came from a prestigious jewish  family.
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: Emilie Garcia
>> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:33:30
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los Altos
>>
>>
>> “Genetic evidence” and evidence you “have read” is like comparing apples and oranges.  People used to adopt surnames as was convenient for various reasons especially to gain money and position.
>>
>>
>>
>> My husband, who is descended from Altenos (the Albas, Cervantes, Ruis de Esparza, Rubalcabas, etc.) has no illusions about his ancestry either in Mexico or going back to Spain.
>>
>>
>>
>> He just showed me this paragraph from one of his books about the admixture of cultures in Spain over the centuries:  “Christian families with more pedigree than cash, or with a prudent respect for ability accepted them [Jews] in marriage.  ..In this way the Spanish people, especially the upper classes, received a substantial infusion of Jewish blood.  Ferdinand the Catholic and Torquemada the Inquisitor had Jews in their ancestry.  Pope Paul IV, at war with Phillip II, called him and the Spanish ‘worthless seed of the Jews and Moors'”.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know that the rest of Europe looked askance at Spaniards and Portuguese as not being Europeans.  Wasn’t there a dust-up about allowing them into the EU?
>>
>>
>>
>> So, it seems to me that the Spaniards are as mongrel a race as mestizos are now considered, and they always were.  Neither Spaniards in the Old World or the New World were “pure” anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> Emilie
>>
>> Port Orchard, WA
>>
>> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> > From: actapatio2007@yahoo.com
>> > Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:26:30 -0800
>> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los Altos
>> >
>> > I’d like to see the genetic evidence and any documentation to the comment above. The evidence that I have read is to the contrary. The colonists were mostly part of the “orden de santiago” a hardcore Catholic group, hardcore enough to kill for their religion. Thus consistent with what we already knew about conquistadors and 1st colonists, they were Catholic and of mostly Celtic origins.
>> >
>> > Genetic evidence of these names have been found to be Celtic indigenous and Celtic Frisian. King Carlos V the Hapsburg was instrumental to conquering of Mexico and his people where instrumental to inquisition. He was after all the holy Roman Emperor, king to many kings in Europe. So, there was a very acute conscious effort to make Mexico a Catholic country. Those that came from Spain, again very conscious effort to make sure they too were Catholic.
>> >
>> > Second, we need to remember that the majority of our roots are Roman Catholic. If you look at the dna sequences from mediterranean there is a great chance of being part of the Roman empire. Everything from dna groups r1b, j1, j2, k and so forth.
>> >
>> > Scientific Study
>> > http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2006/02/no-significant-crypto-jewish-ancestry.html
>> >
>> > Second independant Study
>> >
>> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18161845?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2
>> > .PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_SingleItemSupl.Pubmed_Discovery_R
>> > A&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed
>> >
>> > The Only Mendoza family on www.ysearch.org that claims Mexican ancestory is actually haplogroup R1b again Celtic/Germanic. The user code is ERC6H.
>> >
>> > Mendoza Haplogroups and probabilities are as follows according to Nordvert’s Haplogroup Predictor:
>> > R1b-North/South 2 =>31% R1b-Leinster =>31% R1b =>7% R1b-North/South 1 =>7% R1b-S26 =>7% R1b-S28 =>7% R1b-N.Irish =>2% R1b-M222 (NW Irish) =>2% R1b-Frisian =>1% R1b-Ub =>1%
>> >
>> > There was a 1 Mendoza family in Chile that is Middle Eastern, however this is not the family that we are talking about.
>> >
>> > I often hear people making jewish ancestory claims, I feel compelled to log on an comment on this fantasy. Why? Because my family, the Casillas are descendant of Frisians Celtic-p invaders. From the same region that was the power center of Hapsburgs or Carlos V. At that time the Netherlands belonged to Spain and was the Catholic Power Center. The Viceroy Mendoza family and the Casillas (there are 4 so far all Celtic) family were related via back to the Hapsburg. Again no jewish ties there. The Hapsburgs sent out their administrators to Mexico, it would not make sense again that the same family that expelled the jews from Spain would send Jewish administrators to his new gold mine of a country/ Mexico.
>> >
>> > Here is my ysearch.org entry, with over 500 years of Celtic descendants…
>> > http://www.ysearch.org/gedcom_show.asp?uid=&viewuid=FWRJ5
>> > ysearch user:FWRJ5
>> >
>> > In regards to the Perez family, there are over 30 entries, 10 of them being from Mexico all from mixed ancestory.
>> >
>> > Again, if the family was part of the first colonists in los altos, then they were most likely Catholic, Celtic or Spainish descent and part and involved of the Orden of Santiago.
>> >
>> > It gets a little tiring to hear about these crypto jewish claims about my family, when the dna evidence, historical books, actual birth/marriage certificates and scientific studies support what my family has always known.
>> >
>> > There is a huge business and industry currently for dna sites testing mexicans for jewish ancestory. There should be if there isn’t studies to the cultural psychological fascination for the want to be jewish.
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