Here Here!
I think it amazing how these discussions go on and on. As long as you
all discuss things in a civil manner I try not to butt in. In this
situation I just want to jump in with both feet in agreement with Eric
and ask everyone to try really hard to bring discussions strongly in the
direction of genealogy of the estados of Jalisco, Zacatecas y/o
Aguascalientes. Yes if you want continue the discussion of this topic
but lets bring some good HARD genealogy into it. Show some documents,
show some film records to refer to, give some fact based oral history
accounts, generally work hard to edify as much as you can with EVERY
reply you make to the group.
IF you have a short comment to make to a CERTAIN individual why not
consider making that comment in a private email, then again even if it
is short but if contains info that can edify others in the group well by
all means send it out to the many.
Just my thoughts,
joseph
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eric edgar wrote:
> Group,
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> I am really surprised this argument has dragged on this long, It
> doesn’t seem to further any genealogical activity. I see a confusion
> of race and relgion,and
>
> everyone who offers DNA evidence so far has overlooked the female
> MtDNA part of the equation. There are plenty of sites on the interent
> where racial purity can be discussed.
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The very catholic that you state is a clue to altenos being descendents of conversos. Our families made every attempt to not be looked upon aS falling back. This happened while some jewish traditions were kept but looked upon within the family as family traditions.
As to the french line that we have from the rodriguez de hijar line it is because we descend from Robin (Robert or Robinete) Bracamont and he was french.
I am writing on my blackberry and I do not have my data in front of me so I hope I do not lead you astray.
Robin was married to ines mendoza who was from the hurtado de mendoza family. I have worked on both of the ancestral lines and he is definitely french and her family came from an area of spain that definitely had a strong jewish influence. The names of areas have jewish origin if I remember correctly. I have documented the moorish lines.
I have been sidetracked lately but hopefully will be finished with my present projects in time to finish this article on these connections next year.
Many genealogists claimed that the Perestrello family was jewish. I also mistakenly wrote that they were jewish but deeper research proved that this was not true.
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From: “Gomezlucero, Irma”
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:58:06
To: ‘research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org’
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish evidence in Los Altos regarding the
Hurtado de Mendozas & Perez-Franco Research Digest, Vol 49, Issue 23
Hello “My Genes”,
Having descended from the Hurtado de Mendozas and the Perez, Franco families from Los Altos, I would be very interested in this documentation. These are my father’s lines, and although we have always been very Catholic, I have noticed a few small things that might be Sephardic in general.
I have also read the chapter from “Retonos…” where Mariano dispels Jewish and French lines. In my research, I have never ran across French names, Altenos are a very closed society–remember: is mejor conocido que por conocer–proper Altenas would never run off and marry a French soldier, plus the French were never known to be in our area. I vaguely recall Mariano’s references to these people being a very Catholic society (remember la Cristiada), and he did give examples of why this society could not be Jewish. Possibly we were Jewish, but it was too long ago to really matter in everyday life.
At any rate, I would be interested in this documentation you have run across. I do recall that the Perez came from Huelva, Espana, and the former prime minister of Israel, Shimon Perez. That’s about it.
Thanks,
Irma Gomez gtz
N. Calif.
1. Re: mixture of clans (mygenes2000@yahoo.com)
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:47:51 +0000
From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mixture of clans
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Most of The first families from jalisco were related through the hernandez de hijar and the hurtado de mendoza and there is clear documentation showing at least 4 moor lines and other jewish (marano) lines this is not an opinion, there is clear evidence of this. The mountains where the mendoza family came from was originally a jewish area. Many of The families that the mendoza married into in Castilla also originated from this jewish area. I also believe that the perez that married into the francos to form the perez franco de paredes family were from the jewish perestrello family of portugal this family was originally the Pallestrelli family of Genoa. This last bit of info is the only info here that has not been clearly documented yet and some people disagree with my opinion of where the perez came from.
I repeat, the connection to the hernandez de hijar and mendoza lines to jewish and moorish ancestors have been documented
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