Thanks, Arturo. I will request the film “Indice general ordinal y alfabético 1584-1823” FHL INTL Film #269867 tomorrow and will report to Nuestros Ranchos what I find out (probably in 3-4 weeks).
Bill Figueroa
Thanks, Arturo. I will request the film “Indice general ordinal y alfabético 1584-1823” FHL INTL Film #269867 tomorrow and will report to Nuestros Ranchos what I find out (probably in 3-4 weeks).
Bill Figueroa
Now we’re talking. Thanks Bill for saying what I hope others in the
group will start saying, “Report to Nuestros Ranchos.” Yes this group is
like a Familia. We need to have this attitude that what goes around will
come around. Bill’s attitude is great in that he might not gain anything
from “reporting” back to the group what he finds. . .that is unless it
comes back to bless him from someone else’s input. We need to at times
just do a random act of genealogical kindness for one another. Imagine
if each of the 150+ members each took it upon themselves to share or
teach something just once a year. Wow we’d have the perspectives of many
different people on a lot of different subjects related to our history.
You can’t believe how getting the input from various ones might trigger
ideas and thoughts on how to advance our own specific research.
So now that I’m about ready to get off the Soap Box let me say that if
you haven’t posted a message to the group that you should get involved.
go online or open a book or learn something specific about our area of
genealogical research: Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes and
teach us something. No one will look down on you if it is really really
basic or simple. . .you know why because it will probably be something
that someone in the group needs.
Thanks Bill for your participation, interest and willingness to teach
us. How can I overlook all the great teaching that Arturo and others in
the group have shared with us as well.
Let’s make 2007 the year that even those that have just started their
genealogical search learn something new and share it with the group.
joseph
===================
Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
Bill Figueroa wrote:
> Thanks, Arturo. I will request the film “Indice general ordinal y alfabético 1584-1823” FHL INTL Film #269867 tomorrow and will report to Nuestros Ranchos what I find out (probably in 3-4 weeks).
>
> Bill Figueroa
Now we’re talking. Thanks Bill for saying what I hope others in the
group will start saying, “Report to Nuestros Ranchos.” Yes this group is
like a Familia. We need to have this attitude that what goes around will
come around. Bill’s attitude is great in that he might not gain anything
from “reporting” back to the group what he finds. . .that is unless it
comes back to bless him from someone else’s input. We need to at times
just do a random act of genealogical kindness for one another. Imagine
if each of the 150+ members each took it upon themselves to share or
teach something just once a year. Wow we’d have the perspectives of many
different people on a lot of different subjects related to our history.
You can’t believe how getting the input from various ones might trigger
ideas and thoughts on how to advance our own specific research.
So now that I’m about ready to get off the Soap Box let me say that if
you haven’t posted a message to the group that you should get involved.
go online or open a book or learn something specific about our area of
genealogical research: Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes and
teach us something. No one will look down on you if it is really really
basic or simple. . .you know why because it will probably be something
that someone in the group needs.
Thanks Bill for your participation, interest and willingness to teach
us. How can I overlook all the great teaching that Arturo and others in
the group have shared with us as well.
Let’s make 2007 the year that even those that have just started their
genealogical search learn something new and share it with the group.
joseph
===================
Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
Bill Figueroa wrote:
> Thanks, Arturo. I will request the film “Indice general ordinal y alfabético 1584-1823” FHL INTL Film #269867 tomorrow and will report to Nuestros Ranchos what I find out (probably in 3-4 weeks).
>
> Bill Figueroa
Bill et al:
I am at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City and I have just gone through the index film for the Tierras y Aguas Collection. (FHL Film 0269867). It is definitely what you were looking for. It has original land grants as well as subsequent recorded transfers of those grants. Unfortunately only one of the actual films (other than the index) is here (the rest are in the vaults) so I cannot get my hands on the films with my ancestors’ land grants.
The index film is not very long so I am going to try to scan it so that we can perhaps extract out the names and locations of the grants. I think it would be an invaluable index to have available.
Bill et al:
I am at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City and I have just gone through the index film for the Tierras y Aguas Collection. (FHL Film 0269867). It is definitely what you were looking for. It has original land grants as well as subsequent recorded transfers of those grants. Unfortunately only one of the actual films (other than the index) is here (the rest are in the vaults) so I cannot get my hands on the films with my ancestors’ land grants.
The index film is not very long so I am going to try to scan it so that we can perhaps extract out the names and locations of the grants. I think it would be an invaluable index to have available.
Arturo et al,
Thanks for the update. I ordered the same film in January and have been waiting for a very loooooong time. Hopefully it will be here next week (Dallas, Texas). I guess I was right in thinking there weren’t many copies around and they were having to make one from the master. It would be great if you could scan the index so we can see what’s in it. Approximately how many entries are there? Maybe we can digitize it later. Anyway, I’ll let you know when the film arrives so we can exchange notes…
Bill
Arturo et al,
Thanks for the update. I ordered the same film in January and have been waiting for a very loooooong time. Hopefully it will be here next week (Dallas, Texas). I guess I was right in thinking there weren’t many copies around and they were having to make one from the master. It would be great if you could scan the index so we can see what’s in it. Approximately how many entries are there? Maybe we can digitize it later. Anyway, I’ll let you know when the film arrives so we can exchange notes…
Bill
Bill:
I too have been waiting a very long time for a film that I ordered. I think they are having problems with the new inventory and ordering system that they put in place over the new year.
The film is there on the shelf and available. It normally does not take them more than a couple of weeks to make a copy of the film when it is available in the library so I don’t know what the hold up would be other than a mix up in the ordering system.
Anyhow, I have a scanner reserved for an hour and I will scan as many pages of the index as possible. There are thousands of entries since it also includes transfers of land.
I took a look at some of the other films in the collection and it appears that upon independence, the Mexican Imperial government began to copy over the land grant and transfer books of the viceroyalty based on municipality so when you see films with dates like 1584-1820 that is what it is… Unfortunately the description does not state what municipality it is. The original viceroyalty books are purely chronological so they span only a few years.
Just to give you an idea… select grants and trasfers from Book No. 10 (1700-1718)… I was looking for Tlaltenango grants thus the focus on that town:
69. Tlaltenango Juan de Miramontes
76. Tlaltenango Juan de Talamantes
81. Tlaltenango Andres Martin y Antonio Gutierrez del Palacio
89. Tlaltenango
90. Tlaltenango
105. Colotlan Naturales
114. Totatiche Pedro Diaz de Santa Cruz
115. Tlaltenango – Milpillas Diego Banuelos
119. Tlaltenango Vicente de Covarrubias
126. Tlatenango Pedro Avila Caldera
170. Jerez Maria Ortiz de San Pedro
187. Jerez Nicolas Carrillo
Bill:
I too have been waiting a very long time for a film that I ordered. I think they are having problems with the new inventory and ordering system that they put in place over the new year.
The film is there on the shelf and available. It normally does not take them more than a couple of weeks to make a copy of the film when it is available in the library so I don’t know what the hold up would be other than a mix up in the ordering system.
Anyhow, I have a scanner reserved for an hour and I will scan as many pages of the index as possible. There are thousands of entries since it also includes transfers of land.
I took a look at some of the other films in the collection and it appears that upon independence, the Mexican Imperial government began to copy over the land grant and transfer books of the viceroyalty based on municipality so when you see films with dates like 1584-1820 that is what it is… Unfortunately the description does not state what municipality it is. The original viceroyalty books are purely chronological so they span only a few years.
Just to give you an idea… select grants and trasfers from Book No. 10 (1700-1718)… I was looking for Tlaltenango grants thus the focus on that town:
69. Tlaltenango Juan de Miramontes
76. Tlaltenango Juan de Talamantes
81. Tlaltenango Andres Martin y Antonio Gutierrez del Palacio
89. Tlaltenango
90. Tlaltenango
105. Colotlan Naturales
114. Totatiche Pedro Diaz de Santa Cruz
115. Tlaltenango – Milpillas Diego Banuelos
119. Tlaltenango Vicente de Covarrubias
126. Tlatenango Pedro Avila Caldera
170. Jerez Maria Ortiz de San Pedro
187. Jerez Nicolas Carrillo
Bill:
I too have been waiting a very long time for a film that I ordered. I think they are having problems with the new inventory and ordering system that they put in place over the new year.
The film is there on the shelf and available. It normally does not take them more than a couple of weeks to make a copy of the film when it is available in the library so I don’t know what the hold up would be other than a mix up in the ordering system.
Anyhow, I have a scanner reserved for an hour and I will scan as many pages of the index as possible. There are thousands of entries since it also includes transfers of land.
I took a look at some of the other films in the collection and it appears that upon independence, the Mexican Imperial government began to copy over the land grant and transfer books of the viceroyalty based on municipality so when you see films with dates like 1584-1820 that is what it is… Unfortunately the description does not state what municipality it is. The original viceroyalty books are purely chronological so they span only a few years.
Just to give you an idea… select grants and trasfers from Book No. 10 (1700-1718)… I was looking for Tlaltenango grants thus the focus on that town:
69. Tlaltenango Juan de Miramontes
76. Tlaltenango Juan de Talamantes
81. Tlaltenango Andres Martin y Antonio Gutierrez del Palacio
89. Tlaltenango
90. Tlaltenango
105. Colotlan Naturales
114. Totatiche Pedro Diaz de Santa Cruz
115. Tlaltenango – Milpillas Diego Banuelos
119. Tlaltenango Vicente de Covarrubias
126. Tlatenango Pedro Avila Caldera
170. Jerez Maria Ortiz de San Pedro
187. Jerez Nicolas Carrillo
Bill:
I too have been waiting a very long time for a film that I ordered. I think they are having problems with the new inventory and ordering system that they put in place over the new year.
The film is there on the shelf and available. It normally does not take them more than a couple of weeks to make a copy of the film when it is available in the library so I don’t know what the hold up would be other than a mix up in the ordering system.
Anyhow, I have a scanner reserved for an hour and I will scan as many pages of the index as possible. There are thousands of entries since it also includes transfers of land.
I took a look at some of the other films in the collection and it appears that upon independence, the Mexican Imperial government began to copy over the land grant and transfer books of the viceroyalty based on municipality so when you see films with dates like 1584-1820 that is what it is… Unfortunately the description does not state what municipality it is. The original viceroyalty books are purely chronological so they span only a few years.
Just to give you an idea… select grants and trasfers from Book No. 10 (1700-1718)… I was looking for Tlaltenango grants thus the focus on that town:
69. Tlaltenango Juan de Miramontes
76. Tlaltenango Juan de Talamantes
81. Tlaltenango Andres Martin y Antonio Gutierrez del Palacio
89. Tlaltenango
90. Tlaltenango
105. Colotlan Naturales
114. Totatiche Pedro Diaz de Santa Cruz
115. Tlaltenango – Milpillas Diego Banuelos
119. Tlaltenango Vicente de Covarrubias
126. Tlatenango Pedro Avila Caldera
170. Jerez Maria Ortiz de San Pedro
187. Jerez Nicolas Carrillo
This sounds like a really useful film! I felt a rush of excitement
when I read the bits of the index below, because, who knows? maybe MY
ancestors may be found on it!!!! Marge:)
On Mar 10, 2007, at 3:41 PM, arturoramos wrote:
>
> Bill:
>
> I too have been waiting a very long time for a film that I ordered. I
> think they are having problems with the new inventory and ordering
> system that they put in place over the new year.
>
> The film is there on the shelf and available. It normally does not
> take them more than a couple of weeks to make a copy of the film when
> it is available in the library so I don’t know what the hold up would
> be other than a mix up in the ordering system.
>
> Anyhow, I have a scanner reserved for an hour and I will scan as many
> pages of the index as possible. There are thousands of entries since
> it also includes transfers of land.
>
> I took a look at some of the other films in the collection and it
> appears that upon independence, the Mexican Imperial government began
> to copy over the land grant and transfer books of the viceroyalty
> based on municipality so when you see films with dates like 1584-1820
> that is what it is… Unfortunately the description does not state
> what municipality it is. The original viceroyalty books are purely
> chronological so they span only a few years.
>
> Just to give you an idea… select grants and trasfers from Book No.
> 10 (1700-1718)… I was looking for Tlaltenango grants thus the focus
> on that town:
>
> 69. Tlaltenango Juan de Miramontes
> 76. Tlaltenango Juan de Talamantes
> 81. Tlaltenango Andres Martin y Antonio Gutierrez del Palacio
> 89. Tlaltenango
> 90. Tlaltenango
> 105. Colotlan Naturales
> 114. Totatiche Pedro Diaz de Santa Cruz
> 115. Tlaltenango – Milpillas Diego Banuelos
> 119. Tlaltenango Vicente de Covarrubias
> 126. Tlatenango Pedro Avila Caldera
> 170. Jerez Maria Ortiz de San Pedro
> 187. Jerez Nicolas Carrillo
This sounds like a really useful film! I felt a rush of excitement
when I read the bits of the index below, because, who knows? maybe MY
ancestors may be found on it!!!! Marge:)
On Mar 10, 2007, at 3:41 PM, arturoramos wrote:
>
> Bill:
>
> I too have been waiting a very long time for a film that I ordered. I
> think they are having problems with the new inventory and ordering
> system that they put in place over the new year.
>
> The film is there on the shelf and available. It normally does not
> take them more than a couple of weeks to make a copy of the film when
> it is available in the library so I don’t know what the hold up would
> be other than a mix up in the ordering system.
>
> Anyhow, I have a scanner reserved for an hour and I will scan as many
> pages of the index as possible. There are thousands of entries since
> it also includes transfers of land.
>
> I took a look at some of the other films in the collection and it
> appears that upon independence, the Mexican Imperial government began
> to copy over the land grant and transfer books of the viceroyalty
> based on municipality so when you see films with dates like 1584-1820
> that is what it is… Unfortunately the description does not state
> what municipality it is. The original viceroyalty books are purely
> chronological so they span only a few years.
>
> Just to give you an idea… select grants and trasfers from Book No.
> 10 (1700-1718)… I was looking for Tlaltenango grants thus the focus
> on that town:
>
> 69. Tlaltenango Juan de Miramontes
> 76. Tlaltenango Juan de Talamantes
> 81. Tlaltenango Andres Martin y Antonio Gutierrez del Palacio
> 89. Tlaltenango
> 90. Tlaltenango
> 105. Colotlan Naturales
> 114. Totatiche Pedro Diaz de Santa Cruz
> 115. Tlaltenango – Milpillas Diego Banuelos
> 119. Tlaltenango Vicente de Covarrubias
> 126. Tlatenango Pedro Avila Caldera
> 170. Jerez Maria Ortiz de San Pedro
> 187. Jerez Nicolas Carrillo
My 3rd great father Mariano Camino was given a land grant for a very large hacienda in Huanusco, Zacatecas: The name of the Hacienda was
Hacienda de Nuestra Senora de La Luz (“La Luz”)
It was given to him in the year 1899
