i’m stuck there as well. Can’t find anything about them 🙁

Jose,
Tell me what you’ve got as De la Serda’s are concerned.  I’m also researching that surname.  After several years, it would be great and a first, if I was related to anyone in this group.  Thanis,  Alice

— On Fri, 7/6/12, josejime@yahoo.com wrote:

From: josejime@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 4:34 PM

i’m stuck there as well. Can’t find anything about them 🙁

Jose and Alice,

Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucía Rodríguez de Victoria were married
(veiled) 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosi. He is the first Lopez de la Cerda
in my database. His son Agustin and daughters Josepha and Simona lived in
the Aguascalientes-Teocaltiche area where they married and had children. I
have a lot of information about their descendants. Let me know if I can
help.

BILL FIGUEROA

Hello Bill,
Thanks so much for your offer to help.  I’m not sure if we’re on the same track, as my De la Serda can only be traced back to Jose Manuel de la Serda who married Ma Guadalupe Lisalde 11/13/1767, in Lampazaos de Naranjo, Nuevo Leon.  I’d be thrilled if indeed, we were researching the same ancestors.  Thanks again.  Alice 

— On Fri, 7/6/12, Bill Figueroa wrote:

From: Bill Figueroa
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 10:00 PM

Jose and Alice,

Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucía Rodríguez de Victoria were married (veiled) 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosi.  He is the first Lopez de la Cerda in my database. His son Agustin and daughters Josepha and Simona lived in the Aguascalientes-Teocaltiche area where they married and had children.  I have a lot of information about their descendants.  Let me know if I can help.

BILL FIGUEROA

Bill, Alice & Jose,

I’m glad someone responded to my email from February and hopefully we can
collaborate on the Lopez de la Serda name. I have the following:

Juan Manuel Lopez de Cerda casado con Maria Guadalupe Farfan on April 25,
1792 in Teocaltiche Jalisco. Juan Manuel was babtized June 28, 1750 in
Teocaltiche, Jalisco (nacio en Rio Chico, Jalisco) and his parents are
listed as Phelipe Lopez and Juana Perez.

I have Phelipe Lopez de la Serda casado con Juana Perez de Frias on May 21,
1749 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco (vecinos de Rio Chico, Jalisco) and their
parents are listed as: Matheo Lopez de la Serda and Jacinta Marin and
Fabian Perez de Frias (difunto) and Rosa Flores, respectively.

My trail for the Lopez de la Serda, Marin, Perez de Frias, and Flores ends
here. Do you guys have anymore info on these people?

Bill thanks for your information, maybe I can tie Phelipe Lopez de Serda to
the Agustin, Josepha or Simona as you have listed in your response.

Saludos,

Juan Aguayo Munoz
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Hello Bill,
> Thanks so much for your offer to help. I’m not sure if we’re on the same
> track, as my De la Serda can only be traced back to Jose Manuel de la Serda
> who married Ma Guadalupe Lisalde 11/13/1767, in Lampazaos de Naranjo, Nuevo
> Leon. I’d be thrilled if indeed, we were researching the same ancestors.
> Thanks again. Alice
>
> — On Fri, 7/6/12, Bill Figueroa wrote:
>
>
> From: Bill Figueroa
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 10:00 PM
>
>
> Jose and Alice,
>
> Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucía Rodríguez de Victoria were married
> (veiled) 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosi. He is the first Lopez de la Cerda
> in my database. His son Agustin and daughters Josepha and Simona lived in
> the Aguascalientes-Teocaltiche area where they married and had children. I
> have a lot of information about their descendants. Let me know if I can
> help.
>
> BILL FIGUEROA

This is my connection to De La Serda family : Francisco De Pedroza married
Juana Lopez De La Serda on 1745 in Teocaltiche. Her parents were Matheo De
La Serda and Jasinta Marin. Does anyone have a Pedroza or De Pedroza in
their family tree?
Esteban Pedroza

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Today’s Topics:

1. Re: French or not? (Emilie Garcia)
2. Re: French or not? (Emilie Garcia)
3. Re: French or not? (Erlinda Castanon-Long)
4. Re: Lopez de la Serda (Alice Blake)
5. French in Jalisco/Mexico (windmillbb@aol.com)
6. Re: Lopez de la Serda (Juan Aguayo)
7. Race: Time To Move On (Joseph Puentes)
8. Re: Rancho de Coculiten (Joseph Puentes)
9. Re: The French and Mariachis (CampeZina)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 16:39:30 -0700
From: Emilie Garcia
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] French or not?
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Alicia,

I think it is because people in Mexico heard that French had “settled”
there, not knowing the true history. They equate blue eyes only with the
“recent” foreigners and not their own Spanish ancestors.

My father could have killed me when we stopped for lunch and gas in a small
village back in the 1960s on our way to Jerez. I noticed that many of the
people there were dark, but had blue eyes. I very impertently asked the
dark, blue eyed gas station attendant “porque tantos aqui estan prietos con
hojos azules?” (God, what a dumb question, but I was so curious, and young
and dumb). He just smiled and said, “los franceses vinieron aqui”. My
father dressed me up and down for that, but I got an answer that satifsfied
me at the time. Now I know better.

Emilie

> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 01:41:32 -0700
> From: alliecar@pacbell.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] French or not?
>
> Armando and other Nuestros Ranchos Members:
>
> Why do you think so many people perpetuate the myth that they’re French or
have French lineage? I simply cannot understand the why. I know I’ve heard
it said by some people in our family and when I tell people that I’ve done
some genealogical research, inevitably this comes up and they say that they
are descended from the French. I hear it all the time and I’ve even
alienated some people when I give them a few facts as to the short time
period in which the French occupied Mexico and that it’s simply not possible
or very unlikely that they could be French.
>
>
> The British, French and Spanish arrived in Mexico during the Mexican
reform period beginning in October of 1861 because Presidente Juarez had
refused to pay Mexico’s foreign debts.
>
>
> The French first occupied Puebla, and were defeated on 5 de Mayo of 1862,
hence el Cinco de Mayo. The following May, the French again attacked Puebla,
then proceeded to Mexico City where they took over the government.
Maximilian was asked to accept the Mexican Crown for the French, which he
did in accordance with Napolean’s plans and wishes. Maximilian arrived in
1864 with his wife Carlota and In 1866, Napolean began recalling the French
troops from Mexico. In 1867, Maximilan was tried and executed in Mexico.
>
> So the French were in Mexico from 1861 to 1867. I’m curious to hear what
people’s thoughts are on this issue of so many people claiming they are
French in Mexico.
>
>
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Ca
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________

Juan, Alice & Jose,

Phelipe Lopez de la Cerda had a sister named Juana Lopez de la Cerda, who was baptized 14 Jun 1711 in Teocaltiche. I have not been able to determine if their father Matheo Lopez de la Cerda (married to Jacinta Marin) is related to Agustín Lopez de la Cerda, but will continue searching all available records. In case you’re interested, Juana Lopez de la Cerda married Francisco de Pedroza 28 Apr 1745 in Teocaltiche, where they had four sons baptized: Juan Gregorio (1746), Ignacio Ventura (1748), Joseph Juachin Mariano (1750) and Juan Antonio de la Cruz Pedroza (1753).

Agustin Lopez de la Cerda married Lucia Rodriguez de Victoria 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosi. Agustin’s parents were Francisco Lopez and Francisca de los Angeles, and Lucia’s parents were Antonio Rodriguez and Catalina de Victoria. Antonio and Catalina were married 01 Jun 1601 in Patzcuaro, Mich.

Agustin Lopez de la Cerda had a brother named Miguel Lopez de la Cerda, who married Maria Magdalena Lozano 15 Feb 1635 in Aguascalientes. Miguel was buried in Aguascalientes 29 Oct 1666. In her final will Magdalena Lozano declared that they had no children, so that line ends there. Magdalena Lozano died less than a month later (23 Nov 1666) and was buried in Aguascalientes.

Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucia Rodriguez de Victoria had three children: Agustin, Josepha and Simona Lopez de la Cerda. Agustin (el mozo) married Maria de Isla y Sotomayor 3 Jun 1667 in Aguascalientes. Josepha married Isidro Martin de Sotomayor (date unknown) and Simona married Nicolas Martin de Sotomayor (17 Sep 1667) in Teocaltiche. Nicolas, Isidro and Maria were brothers and sister. As far as I know, only the children of Agustin and Maria carried the surname Lopez de la Cerda in Teocaltiche and Aguascalientes.

I have identified five children of Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Maria de Isla y Sotomayor: Juan Felix (el menor), Juan (el mayor), Agustina, Esteban and Antonio.

– Juan Felix married Theresa de Cobos 6 Feb 1701 in Aguascalientes. They had at least five children: Maria Theresa, Maria, Christobal, Maria Theresa de los Dolores and Michaela Lopez de la Cerda, all born between 1701-1722.

– Juan married Anna Maria Muñoz de la Barba 5 Feb 1713 in Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jal. I have identified three children: Agustin (b.1714), Santiago (b. ca1717) and Maria Vicenta Lopez de la Cerda (b. not known) all born at Cienega de Mata.

– Agustina and Esteban died young and were never married.

– Antonio who married Josepha Alonso de los Hinojos 12 Oct 1695 in Aguascalientes. They had at least five children: Antonia Lorenza, Onofre, Balthazar Manuel, Antonio Joseph and Maria Gertrudis Lopez de la Cerda, all born between 1700-1712.

Since Juana Lopez de la Cerda was born in Teocaltiche in 1711 she is in the same generation with the grandchildren of Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Maria de Isla y Sotomayor (see above). Therefore, her parents Matheo Lopez de la Cerda and Jacinta Marin are in the same generation with Juan Felix, Juan, Agustina, Esteban and Antonio Lopez de la Cerda, sons of Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Maria de Isla y Sotomayor. But Maria de Isla y Sotomayor listed her children in her final will and testament before she died in 1716, and she did not mention a son named Matheo. Back to the drawing board.

Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA

—– Original Message —–
From: “Juan Aguayo”
To:
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda

Bill, Alice & Jose,

I’m glad someone responded to my email from February and hopefully we can
collaborate on the Lopez de la Serda name. I have the following:

Juan Manuel Lopez de Cerda casado con Maria Guadalupe Farfan on April 25,
1792 in Teocaltiche Jalisco. Juan Manuel was babtized June 28, 1750 in
Teocaltiche, Jalisco (nacio en Rio Chico, Jalisco) and his parents are
listed as Phelipe Lopez and Juana Perez.

I have Phelipe Lopez de la Serda casado con Juana Perez de Frias on May 21,
1749 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco (vecinos de Rio Chico, Jalisco) and their
parents are listed as: Matheo Lopez de la Serda and Jacinta Marin and
Fabian Perez de Frias (difunto) and Rosa Flores, respectively.

My trail for the Lopez de la Serda, Marin, Perez de Frias, and Flores ends
here. Do you guys have anymore info on these people?

Bill thanks for your information, maybe I can tie Phelipe Lopez de Serda to
the Agustin, Josepha or Simona as you have listed in your response.

Saludos,

Juan Aguayo Munoz
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Hello Bill,
> Thanks so much for your offer to help. I’m not sure if we’re on the same
> track, as my De la Serda can only be traced back to Jose Manuel de la Serda
> who married Ma Guadalupe Lisalde 11/13/1767, in Lampazaos de Naranjo, Nuevo
> Leon. I’d be thrilled if indeed, we were researching the same ancestors.
> Thanks again. Alice
>
> — On Fri, 7/6/12, Bill Figueroa wrote:
>
>
> From: Bill Figueroa
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 10:00 PM
>
>
> Jose and Alice,
>
> Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucía Rodríguez de Victoria were married
> (veiled) 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosi. He is the first Lopez de la Cerda
> in my database. His son Agustin and daughters Josepha and Simona lived in
> the Aguascalientes-Teocaltiche area where they married and had children. I
> have a lot of information about their descendants. Let me know if I can
> help.
>
> BILL FIGUEROA

Hey Bill,

Thanks a lot for such a thorough contribution. I’ll try to do some further investigation to determine our possible linkage. =D

By the way Juan, Do you have any further information about Juana Pérez de Frías? I have just found the names of her parents: Fabián Pérez de Frías and Rosa Flores, but haven’t been able to find anything else.

Thanks in advance =D

Hello Bill-

Thanks for the information on this family line! Would you mind sharing the source that connects Simona as daughter of Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucia Rodriguez?

Regarding Agustina Lopez de la Cerda daughter of Agustin de la Cerda and Maria de Islas, based on a dispensa ( https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18416-37865-42?cc=1874591&wc=12512749) posted on Claudia’s site, I have that she married Juan Delgadillo and had the following children:

1. Elvira married Juan Baptista Macias Valadez
2. Maria Manuela bap. August 30, 1711
3. Nicolasa married Juan Joseph de Loebana May 20, 1732
4. Ignacia married Cayetano Francisco Cortez January 7, 1730

Regards,
Austin Perez

I’m sorry, I’m coming in late into the conversation and don’t know what was
said before. My 5ggmo is Maria Catharina Perez de Frias. She was baptized
21 May 1721 in Mexticacan. She had a brother, Luiz, md to Juana Josepha
Placencia, md 31 Jul 1741 in Nochistlan. Their parents were Gregorio Perez
de Frias (or Islas), and Magdalena Yanez, md 18 Jan, 1712 in Nochistlan.
Does this help?

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM, wrote:

> By the way Juan, Do you have any further information about Juana Pérez de
> Frías? I have just found the names of her parents: Fabián Pérez de Frías
> and Rosa Flores, but haven’t been able to find anything else.
>
> Thanks in advance =D

Thanks for your response Raquel. We’ll see if it helps out. Its another
lead so hopefully it does. If I find anything I’ll let you guys know. It
may be a couple of weeks since I’m limited on time at the moment.

Gracias,
Juan Aguayo

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Raquel Ruiz wrote:

> I’m sorry, I’m coming in late into the conversation and don’t know what was
> said before. My 5ggmo is Maria Catharina Perez de Frias. She was baptized
> 21 May 1721 in Mexticacan. She had a brother, Luiz, md to Juana Josepha
> Placencia, md 31 Jul 1741 in Nochistlan. Their parents were Gregorio Perez
> de Frias (or Islas), and Magdalena Yanez, md 18 Jan, 1712 in Nochistlan.
> Does this help?
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM, wrote:
>
> > By the way Juan, Do you have any further information about Juana Pérez de
> > Frías? I have just found the names of her parents: Fabián Pérez de Frías
> > and Rosa Flores, but haven’t been able to find anything else.
> >
> > Thanks in advance =D
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Hi Austin,

On July 26, 1716 Simona Lopez de la Cerda filed her final will and
testament in Aguascalientes, which contains the following information:

“En el nombre de Dios todopoderoso y de la Virgen
SSm. N. S. amen, notorio sea a los q’ la presente carta
de mi testamento vieren como yo Simona Lopes vesina
de la Villa de Ags. Calientes hija lixitima de Augustin Lo
pes de la Serda y de Lucia Rodrigs. naturales de la ciudad
de S. Luis Potosi de donde yo lo soy, estando enferma
en cama en mi entero juicio cabal y natural memoria
creyendo como creo en el misterio de la SS Trini
dad Dios Padre, Dios Hijo y Dios Espiritu Santo tres per
sonas distintas y un solo Dios verdadero … (…)”

It continues a few paragraphs later:

“Ittn. declaro para el descargo de mi conciencia
q’ fui casada y velada segun orden de N. S. Madre Ygla. (Yglesia)
con Nicolas Martin de Soto Mayor vesino de Sierra de Sierra
de Pinos de quien fui albasea cuyo testamento ten
go cumplido, y durante ntro. matrimonio tubimos
y procreamos por nuestros hijos lixitimos a Andres, Nico
las, Rossa, Magdalena, Franco., Manuela, y Antto. Mar
tin de Soto Mayor, a Andres lo case con Lucia de
Chabes, a Nicolas con Maria de la Rossa Alderete, a Rossa
con Juan de Esparza, a Magdalena con Antto. de Alba, a
Franco. con Luisa de Alderete, a Manuela con Juan de
Santos y a Antta. con Salbador de Palos … (…)”

Nicolas Martin de Sotomayor and Simona Lopez de la Cerda got married 17 Sep
1667 in Teocaltiche. They lived most of their lives in Sierra de Pinos and
Aguascalientes, where Nicolas was born.

Thanks for the information about Juan Delgadillo and Agustina Lopez de la
Cerda, and the dispensa posted on Claudia’s site. Both have been helpful to
me.

Best regards,
BILL FIGUEROA

—– Original Message —–
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 7:07 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Cerda

Hello Bill-

Thanks for the information on this family line! Would you mind sharing the
source that connects Simona as daughter of Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and
Lucia Rodriguez?

Regarding Agustina Lopez de la Cerda daughter of Agustin de la Cerda and
Maria de Islas, based on a dispensa
( https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18416-37865-42?cc=1874591&wc=12512749)
posted on Claudia’s site, I have that she married Juan Delgadillo and had
the following children:

1. Elvira married Juan Baptista Macias Valadez
2. Maria Manuela bap. August 30, 1711
3. Nicolasa married Juan Joseph de Loebana May 20, 1732
4. Ignacia married Cayetano Francisco Cortez January 7, 1730

Regards,
Austin Perez

Bill,
Thanks so much for your information, unfortunately at this point in time I personally don’t find a connection to my De la Serda’s.  I’ll keep your info and and perhaps with further research on my part there will be a connection.  Thanks again.  Alice

— On Sun, 7/8/12, Bill Figueroa wrote:

From: Bill Figueroa
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, July 8, 2012, 6:40 AM

Juan, Alice & Jose,

Phelipe Lopez de la Cerda had a sister named Juana Lopez de la Cerda, who was baptized 14 Jun 1711 in Teocaltiche.  I have not been able to determine if their father Matheo Lopez de la Cerda (married to Jacinta Marin) is related to Agustín Lopez de la Cerda, but will continue searching all available records.  In case you’re interested, Juana Lopez de la Cerda married Francisco de Pedroza 28 Apr 1745 in Teocaltiche, where they had four sons baptized: Juan Gregorio (1746), Ignacio Ventura (1748), Joseph Juachin Mariano (1750) and Juan Antonio de la Cruz Pedroza (1753).

Agustin Lopez de la Cerda married Lucia Rodriguez de Victoria 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosi.  Agustin’s parents were Francisco Lopez and Francisca de los Angeles, and Lucia’s parents were Antonio Rodriguez and Catalina de Victoria.  Antonio and Catalina were married 01 Jun 1601 in Patzcuaro, Mich.

Agustin Lopez de la Cerda had a brother named Miguel Lopez de la Cerda, who married Maria Magdalena Lozano 15 Feb 1635 in Aguascalientes.  Miguel was buried in Aguascalientes 29 Oct 1666.  In her final will Magdalena Lozano declared that they had no children, so that line ends there.  Magdalena Lozano died less than a month later (23 Nov 1666) and was buried in Aguascalientes.

Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucia Rodriguez de Victoria had three children: Agustin, Josepha and Simona Lopez de la Cerda.  Agustin (el mozo) married Maria de Isla y Sotomayor 3 Jun 1667 in Aguascalientes.  Josepha married Isidro Martin de Sotomayor (date unknown) and Simona married Nicolas Martin de Sotomayor (17 Sep 1667) in Teocaltiche.  Nicolas, Isidro and Maria were brothers and sister.  As far as I know, only the children of Agustin and Maria carried the surname Lopez de la Cerda in Teocaltiche and Aguascalientes.

I have identified five children of Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Maria de Isla y Sotomayor: Juan Felix (el menor), Juan (el mayor), Agustina, Esteban and Antonio. 

– Juan Felix married Theresa de Cobos 6 Feb 1701 in Aguascalientes.  They had at least five children: Maria Theresa, Maria, Christobal, Maria Theresa de los Dolores and Michaela Lopez de la Cerda, all born between 1701-1722.

– Juan married Anna Maria Muñoz de la Barba 5 Feb 1713 in Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jal.  I have identified three children: Agustin (b.1714), Santiago (b. ca1717) and Maria Vicenta Lopez de la Cerda (b. not known) all born at Cienega de Mata.

– Agustina and Esteban died young and were never married.

– Antonio who married Josepha Alonso de los Hinojos 12 Oct 1695 in Aguascalientes.  They had at least five children: Antonia Lorenza, Onofre, Balthazar Manuel, Antonio Joseph and Maria Gertrudis Lopez de la Cerda, all born between 1700-1712.

Since Juana Lopez de la Cerda was born in Teocaltiche in 1711 she is in the same generation with the grandchildren of Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Maria de Isla y Sotomayor (see above).  Therefore, her parents Matheo Lopez de la Cerda and Jacinta Marin are in the same generation with Juan Felix, Juan, Agustina, Esteban and Antonio Lopez de la Cerda, sons of Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Maria de Isla y Sotomayor.  But Maria de Isla y Sotomayor listed her children in her final will and testament before she died in 1716, and she did not mention a son named Matheo.  Back to the drawing board.

Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA

—– Original Message —–
From: “Juan Aguayo”
To:
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda

Bill, Alice & Jose,

I’m glad someone responded to my email from February and hopefully we can
collaborate on the Lopez de la Serda name. I have the following:

Juan Manuel Lopez de Cerda casado con Maria Guadalupe Farfan on April 25,
1792 in Teocaltiche Jalisco. Juan Manuel was babtized June 28, 1750 in
Teocaltiche, Jalisco (nacio en Rio Chico, Jalisco) and his parents are
listed as Phelipe Lopez and Juana Perez.

I have Phelipe Lopez de la Serda casado con Juana Perez de Frias on May 21,
1749 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco (vecinos de Rio Chico, Jalisco) and their
parents are listed as: Matheo Lopez de la Serda and Jacinta Marin and
Fabian Perez de Frias (difunto) and Rosa Flores, respectively.

My trail for the Lopez de la Serda, Marin, Perez de Frias, and Flores ends
here.  Do you guys have anymore info on these people?

Bill thanks for your information, maybe I can tie Phelipe Lopez de Serda to
the Agustin, Josepha or Simona as you have listed in your response.

Saludos,

Juan Aguayo Munoz
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Hello Bill,
> Thanks so much for your offer to help.  I’m not sure if we’re on the same
> track, as my De la Serda can only be traced back to Jose Manuel de la Serda
> who married Ma Guadalupe Lisalde 11/13/1767, in Lampazaos de Naranjo, Nuevo
> Leon.  I’d be thrilled if indeed, we were researching the same ancestors.
> Thanks again.  Alice
>
> — On Fri, 7/6/12, Bill Figueroa wrote:
>
>
> From: Bill Figueroa
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 10:00 PM
>
>
> Jose and Alice,
>
> Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucía Rodríguez de Victoria were married
> (veiled) 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosi.  He is the first Lopez de la Cerda
> in my database. His son Agustin and daughters Josepha and Simona lived in
> the Aguascalientes-Teocaltiche area where they married and had children.  I
> have a lot of information about their descendants.  Let me know if I can
> help.
>
> BILL FIGUEROA