“My questionis if in general most people are half and half then how does the varied color spectrum of Mexicoexist, something I have always wondered” —
Daniel, I thought you had moved on from there, but all I can tell you is that a child with both parents with dark hair and brown eyes can be born with light hair and blue eyes-color of skin alone does not tell you what is in your DNA-you will have to study that science of genetics, statistics and probabilities. Your Indian ancestors could be Tlaxcalan, Zacateco, Chichimeca, etc. Too bad DNA cannot narrow our ancestry down to one group. Nobody can prove descendancy from any one tribe without a clear genetic trail.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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> Yss, Los Altos would be a great project! Most of the records I have seen Spanish tend to marrySpanish. There are obviously mestizos as well. I wonder what if the some maternal altenoDNA is european that would be really interesting. As you stated in most parts of Mexicothe women tended to carry the ameridinian gene. Even today in Mexico we see all types ofEuropeans (english, italian, portuguese, polish etc) and many dfferent type of Asian peoplesas well as many Africans that since the independence have immigrated to Mexico. My questionis if in general most people are half and half then how does the varied color spectrum of Mexicoexist, something I have always wondered. I have many friends in Mexico who are from the darkestto the lightest that can be found! This is what has gotten me nterested in DNA and such.
> Regarding to my ancestry I have 2 indio ancestry (Moctezuma, as long as the Ruiz de Esparza genealogy is correct?)and another on my father’s side which ironically is also Moctezuma. The other one is on my mother’s side.I have one black ancestor who was an esclavo on my father’s side (more correctly he was a mulatto). And 1 conversojewish lineage. Most of the indio and black lines sadly run dry in the 1600s. I have found indio linesare usually hard to track down for varios reasons. I have found the Spanish, French, Portuguese and Italian lineseasier to trace possibly because they didnt move as much. My genealogy in Mexico is mostly from Los Altos, Jalisco,Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, Chihuahua, Guanajuato, San Luis Potosi, Michoacan and DF.
> I have found people stating they never found evidence for “frances” coming to Mexico prior to the ndependence.This is false, what I have come to conclude, the term espanol not only meant Spaniard but it meant basicallywhite. So if a frenchman came to Mexico he would CASTILINIZED and become part of the culture. I liketo compare it to that of when whites of Latin America and Europe come to the US and are labeled “white” or added to theculture. Same thing in Colonial Mexico. My french lineage is Bourbon but have had difficulty tracing it. It runs coldin the mid 1600s.
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> > As far as the limpieza de sangre, you can’t always erase mt-dna with it if you marry a castizo with a castizo because if the mother has the mt-dna of an Indian, which was the case a majority of the time, she passes this down to her children, as well as other genes of her indigenous ancestor. So even with limpieza de sangre it doesn’t change a large database like that of Robert Tarín, nor does it rid of recessive genes. Again, we would see the differences between communities.
> > I do remember reading previous posts of yours that you have a majority of Spanish ancestry. I suspect this is true of my grandfather and his siblings, but I have yet to complete the ancestry for his mother’s side of the family. This is why I am looking forward to familysearch completing the Jalisco records. I have no doubt I have Indian blood from my father’s mother, so I am accepting of that as well as my proven Spanish and Basque ancestry.
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This is meant to be humorous….as I was holding my newborn 2nd child, a
very, very fair child, I asked my friend, “Isn’t it weird how he was born so
fair?” She responded: “yes, those Espanoles se metieron con todos, y
tienen que salir evidencia de vez en cuando.” How right she was!
This style of hat is worn by the old people in the ranchos of our pueblo Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico:
I am curious to it’s origin. It is also worn by some of the Huichole Indigenous people, but they put feathers on it.
So is it european or indigenous in origin?
I have a cousin that is researching our indigenous peoples that live in our area the Huicholes. And I am researching our european origin. So there is two of us doing research on our histories.
I would have to say that the Madera’s european origin is from Asturias, Spain. Since other people that have posted here that are also Madera has stated Asturias.
But I would say two places. Madeira Island of Portugal and Asturias, Spain.
So that should give other people from the Madera family and idea where to look.
Notice that what attracted europeans to the Northern Jalisco and Zacatecas area was the discovery of silver. Zacatecas is known for the silver that was discovered there. Also the establishment of the Ranchos.
Northern Jalisco is right on the border with Zacatecas.
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Dear Mr. Madera,
Since you are from Huejuquilla El Alto, are you familiar with a ranch called Hacienda de San Antonio (de Padua)? I found it in the old records of either Huejuquilla or Mesquitic. The ranch was owned by Guillermo Duval del Valle (from Cadiz) and Gertrudis de los Santos Coy (from Saltillo originally) ~1760-1770 time frame. Is it still there? Is it in Huejuquilla or Valparaiso? Do you now any history of it.
Ed
Madera_32,
One last thing. Yesterday I was reviewing material again from Mezquitic and kept on running into Madera entries. The earliest Madera was Antonio Madera from 1685. They intermarried heavily with the Guzman, Banuelos and Robles families, amongst others. My Felgueres ancestors married into the same group. I must have run into a lot of Maderas since at one point in my research, I noted that the Madera family in the 1715-1720 time frame was from “Minillas.” We have discussed Minillas before in this website. There were many Minillas in the past and now they reportedly don’t exist because of their depleted minerals. At least, you might get a hint of what kind of business they were in.
I have one more comment about all these families which I will make later in another topic page.
Ed
There are a number of pueblos, haciendas and ranchos in our area where we live.
Here is a nice website of our region of Jalisco/Zacatecas:
http://zonanortejalisco.com.mx/
There is another nice hacienda called, Hacienda San Mateo and it is located in Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico. Which is 35 minutes to the east of our pueblo of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico.
It is very old and still exists. “El Conde” lived there and here is a picture of El Conde and his wife from the 1720 era. Fernando De La Campa Cos:
I have been to the museum of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico and saw several paintings of El Conde, his wife and daughter there.
This link gives more details:
http://valparaisozac.webcindario.com/personajes_ilustres/conde_fernando.html
It is near Huejuquilla, Jalisco, our pueblo, we all know each other there.
Do you have any history on how the Madera’s appear in Autlan, Jalisco or in
this area?
The Madera’s from Zacatecas or nothr of Jalisco how do they moved to other
areas?
Does any of you have more information on the Madera family after 1600’s to
the 1800’s?
I am interesting in connecting with the main trunk of Madera’s
Thank you
Sylvia H Corona
Yes Edward, I am very familiar with San Antonio De Padua, Zacatecas, Mexico.
It is 5 – 10 minutes on the west side of our pueblo Huejuquilla. It is an ex-hacienda and the original building still exists with cone shaped structures where they stored grain. It is a community smaller than our pueblo of Huejuquilla, Jalisco. People in San Antonio are farmers living in stone houses.
Here is an album of fotos of San Antonio de Padua, Zacatecas, Mexico:
http://photos.huejuquilla.mobi/GalleryThumbnails.aspx?gallery=311752
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/30932304
We all know each other. Did you know that practically all of our pueblos have community websites where we post pictures and chat in saludos section?
I emailed you in more detail.
Here is a good community website of the people of Villa Guerrero, Jalisco, Mexico which is another pueblo right next to Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico:
villaguerrero.info
Dear Silvia Corona,
It could be that the Maderas that branched out came from the Rancho Maderas in the Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico area. My Madera ancestors were at Rancho De Los Maderas (Rincon De Los Maderas) just to the east of Huejuquilla. There are three Rancho Maderas, where two are on the map:
San Jose De Los Madera
Bajio De Los Madera
Rancho De Los Madera (Rincon De Los Madera) – Not on map
When I browsed microfilm of bautismos records, I found my Madera family at Rancho De Los Madera (Rincon De Los Madera) during the 1700’s. But my great great grandfather Patricio Madera, “Espanol” was born in Rancho Jimulco – a nearby ranch. Meaning that we moved from Rancho Madera to Rancho Jimulco
There are a lot of Maderas in those Ranchos.
Rancho Maderas are family ranches named after our surname. There are other family named ranchos like Estancias Escalantes, Hacienda De Los Landas.
Our pueblo is Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco Mexico. And everyone was baptized at the Parroquia de San Diego De Alcala of Huejuquilla. The original church of San Diego that goes back to 1600’s still stands. But a newer larger church was built in a different location.
Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico was founded on March 23, 1573.
Call me Tony
Here are some community websites of the pueblos of Jalisco:
http://clubhuejuquilla.ning.com/
That one is our pueblo Huejuquilla, Jalisco. But on the right side is a list of other pueblos that you can click on to check out.
Near Huejuquilla is Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico:
Mesquitic, Jalisco, Mexico:
http://www.mezquitic.com/main.html
http://www.mimezquitic.com/
Villaguerrero:
http://www.villaguerrero.info/
Near Guadalajara is Teptatitlan:
Thank you.
I will have to go back with the last Madera in Autlan to find were do they
come from.
I appreciate the information.
Sylvia
Hi,
I also have the surname Madera in my blood line and from this pueblo too.
Ancestory.com is down at the moment and I can’t give you the exact names.
I do know that the Madera came from my grandmother’s side and I want to say her mother’s name was Antonia. I will come back and post more information as I get it.
Thank you!
Tania Garcia
Hi, I found out some more information.
My great grandmother’s name is Antonia Carillo Madera and she was married to Jesus (Juan de Jesus) Sanchez Alvarez… or somethign like that.
They had several children.. Manuel, Rafael, Zeferina, Romana, Teresa (1936)…
Does any of this sound familiar or can you direct me to where I can search myself.
Thank you!
Tania Garcia
