Up to now the purest according to dna were the irish. They did not mix with other cultures the way the iberians did. I say up to now but I mean yesterday.
Up to now the purest according to dna were the irish. They did not mix with other cultures the way the iberians did. I say up to now but I mean yesterday. The latest dna findings show that many many african tribes completely intermarried within the group and there is where you find the “purest” groups.
The iberian peninsula was the original melting pot of the first 1000 years ad. Before that I would have to do more research. The last 500 years obviously the americas have been the melting pot.
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Daniel,
With respect to your comment that the Irish came from Northern Spain, I am not sure that I agree. The Celts settled both Northern Spain and the British Isles, but I am not sure there is good data that the sequence was Northern Spain then Ireland. For example, the myth that the Black Irish are Spaniards that were shipwreck victims from the defeated Spanish Armada is complete fantasy, given my historical sources.
Furthermore, the Felgueres/Villegas family in Huejuquilla el Alto also derive from the de los Santos Coy family via Saltillo. The latter Santos Coy family, along with the de la Garza Falcon family and others, were from Lepe, Huelva, Spain. Arguably, these families were conversos (ex-Jews). See the book “Conquistadores and Crypto-Jews of Monterrey” by David T. Raphael. I admit that Raphael lacks solid data.
In my historical and DNA reviews, there is nothing “pure” in any family of Mexico, especially our area of investigation. In my mind, Spain itself was the largest admixture of genes in Europe from 1000 BCE to 1492 ACE: Celt-Iberians, Phoenicians, Romans, Jews, Visigoths (Germans), Berbers, Arabs, and others.
Shuffle the deck = Spaniard.
Shuffle the deck once more (plus NAI) = Mejicanos.
Ed
Yes, Jewish came to Mexico during the colonial times. Monterrey was suppose to have been founded by Jewish settlers. The tradition food of Monterrey is “Cabrito”
But even in Jalisco, we eat “Capirotada” and “Semas” (origins are Jewish)
I want to note that during Septemeber in the city of Zacatecas, they do the reanactment of the Moors vs the Spanish. Called the Morismas de Bracho.
Alto south of Aguascalientes in Guanajuato they do Medeival Festivals:
http://www.hermandadmedieval.com/
Check out the Galician or Celtic style of Music in Guanajuato Festival:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuPCDilm9wI
Gitanos:
Jalisco History says that people from Jalostotitlán Jalisco founded Monterrey, Jews settlers in Mexico is a myth, Mariano Gonzalez in his book “Retoños de España en la nueva Galicia mentions that. By the way, Marianos 7 books will be reary soon, book # 1 is ready.
Ruben Casillas M.
— El lun 22-feb-10, zacatecano020@hotmail.com escribió:
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Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mixture of clans
A: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: lunes, 22 de febrero de 2010, 22:15
Yes, Jewish came to Mexico during the colonial times. Monterrey was suppose to have been founded by Jewish settlers. The tradition food of Monterrey is “Cabrito”
But even in Jalisco, we eat “Capirotada” and “Semas” (origins are Jewish)
I want to note that during Septemeber in the city of Zacatecas, they do the reanactment of the Moors vs the Spanish. Called the Morismas de Bracho.
Alto south of Aguascalientes in Guanajuato they do Medeival Festivals:
http://www.hermandadmedieval.com/
Check out the Galician or Celtic style of Music in Guanajuato Festival:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuPCDilm9wI
Gitanos:
“Jew settlers in Mexico is a myth”!!!???
Some of my husband’s ancestors, the Acostas, were conversos–lots of those came to New Mexico and Mexico. Also, many Mexicans whose ancestors have been in Mexico since the 1600s or earlier have Jewish DNA! Mariano should explain himself.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:08:19 -0800
> From: rubenazo_casillas@yahoo.com.mx
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mixture of clans
>
> Jalisco History says that people from Jalostotitlán Jalisco founded Monterrey, Jews settlers in Mexico is a myth, Mariano Gonzalez in his book “Retoños de España en la nueva Galicia mentions that. By the way, Marianos 7 books will be reary soon, book # 1 is ready.
>
> Ruben Casillas M.
>
> — El lun 22-feb-10, zacatecano020@hotmail.com escribió:
>
>
> De:: zacatecano020@hotmail.com
> Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mixture of clans
> A: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Fecha: lunes, 22 de febrero de 2010, 22:15
>
>
> Yes, Jewish came to Mexico during the colonial times. Monterrey was suppose to have been founded by Jewish settlers. The tradition food of Monterrey is “Cabrito”
>
> But even in Jalisco, we eat “Capirotada” and “Semas” (origins are Jewish)
>
>
Hi there Emile ,
I have to agree with you on puting the Kabash on the myth thing . It´s documented during the inquisition that early settlers were caught , tried and some sent back to Spain for sentencing .
Here in Monterrey , Mexico there were several settlers who were Jewish . Now they came as conversos or marranos but they were known to be of Jewish descent .
Luis Carvajal de la Cueva , Diego Montemayor . These two were founders of Monterrey
Welester
>
> “Jew settlers in Mexico is a myth”!!!???
>
>
>
> Some of my husband’s ancestors, the Acostas, were conversos–lots of those came to New Mexico and Mexico. Also, many Mexicans whose ancestors have been in Mexico since the 1600s or earlier have Jewish DNA! Mariano should explain himself.
>
>
>
> Emilie
>
> Port Orchard, WA
>
> > Jalisco History says that people from Jalostotitlán Jalisco founded Monterrey, Jews settlers in Mexico is a myth, Mariano Gonzalez in his book “Retoños de España en la nueva Galicia mentions that. By the way, Marianos 7 books will be reary soon, book # 1 is ready.
> >
> > Ruben Casillas M.
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> >
> > Yes, Jewish came to Mexico during the colonial times. Monterrey was suppose to have been founded by Jewish settlers. The tradition food of Monterrey is “Cabrito”
> >
> > But even in Jalisco, we eat “Capirotada” and “Semas” (origins are Jewish)
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Jewish have been present in Mexico since the early colonial days. Even in Jalisco! In our pueblo of Huejuquilla one of the major family names is “Landa.”
In this website you can type in the surname “Landa” and the location as: Huejuquilla, Jalisco:
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home
When I entered that name in a surname origin website, it came out as Jewish:
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fc/qx/quick-family-crest.htm
Now speaking of present day Mexico, There are Jewish communities in Mexico City, Guadalajara and Monterrey
Once in a while articles about the communities come up in the news.
A famous news person in Mexico is Jacobo Zabludovsky. His parents are from Poland.
There is a website of the Israeli community of Guadalajara and it is:
www.vivelacomunidad.com
I also found this other website of the Lebanese community of Mexico City:
www.centrolibanes.org.mx
Hello Ruben – Can you please share with us what evidence Mariano uses to justify the statement that Jews in Mexico is a ‘myth’? I don’t have the book. Interesting statement to make when there is much history that proves otherwise including the Spanish Inquisition which also took place in Mexico.
thanks for sharing,
Yolanda
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mixture of clans
Jalisco History says that people from Jalostotitlán Jalisco founded Monterrey, Jews settlers in Mexico is a myth, Mariano Gonzalez in his book “Retoños de España en la nueva Galicia mentions that. By the way, Marianos 7 books will be reary soon, book # 1 is ready.
Ruben Casillas M.
— El lun 22-feb-10, zacatecano020@hotmail.com escribió:
De:: zacatecano020@hotmail.com
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Fecha: lunes, 22 de febrero de 2010, 22:15
Yes, Jewish came to Mexico during the colonial times. Monterrey was suppose to have been founded by Jewish settlers. The tradition food of Monterrey is “Cabrito”
But even in Jalisco, we eat “Capirotada” and “Semas” (origins are Jewish)
I want to note that during Septemeber in the city of Zacatecas, they do the reanactment of the Moors vs the Spanish. Called the Morismas de Bracho.
Alto south of Aguascalientes in Guanajuato they do Medeival Festivals:
http://www.hermandadmedieval.com/
Check out the Galician or Celtic style of Music in Guanajuato Festival:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuPCDilm9wI
Gitanos:
Hola yolanda, no se que evidencias tiene Don Mariano, solo se que es experto en genealogía e historia, en su libro numero 1 menciona eso, yo solo se que si hubo judios conversos pero no fueron grandes cantidades ni grandes grupos que fundaron ciudades, además el judaismo es
una religion no una raza, en la actualidad si hay sinagogas de judios que han inmigrado a Mexico ultimamente pero no en ciglos pasados.
Saludos
Ruben Casillas M.
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Hello Ruben – Can you please share with us what evidence Mariano uses to justify the statement that Jews in Mexico is a ‘myth’? I don’t have the book. Interesting statement to make when there is much history that proves otherwise including the Spanish Inquisition which also took place in Mexico.
thanks for sharing,
Yolanda
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Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 7:08:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mixture of clans
Jalisco History says that people from Jalostotitlán Jalisco founded Monterrey, Jews settlers in Mexico is a myth, Mariano Gonzalez in his book “Retoños de España en la nueva Galicia mentions that. By the way, Marianos 7 books will be reary soon, book # 1 is ready.
Ruben Casillas M.
— El lun 22-feb-10, zacatecano020@hotmail.com escribió:
De:: zacatecano020@hotmail.com
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mixture of clans
A: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: lunes, 22 de febrero de 2010, 22:15
Yes, Jewish came to Mexico during the colonial times. Monterrey was suppose to have been founded by Jewish settlers. The tradition food of Monterrey is “Cabrito”
But even in Jalisco, we eat “Capirotada” and “Semas” (origins are Jewish)
I want to note that during Septemeber in the city of Zacatecas, they do the reanactment of the Moors vs the Spanish. Called the Morismas de Bracho.
Alto south of Aguascalientes in Guanajuato they do Medeival Festivals:
http://www.hermandadmedieval.com/
Check out the Galician or Celtic style of Music in Guanajuato Festival:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuPCDilm9wI
Gitanos:
Most of The first families from jalisco were related through the hernandez de hijar and the hurtado de mendoza and there is clear documentation showing at least 4 moor lines and other jewish (marano) lines this is not an opinion, there is clear evidence of this. The mountains where the mendoza family came from was originally a jewish area. Many of The families that the mendoza married into in Castilla also originated from this jewish area. I also believe that the perez that married into the francos to form the perez franco de paredes family were from the jewish perestrello family of portugal this family was originally the Pallestrelli family of Genoa. This last bit of info is the only info here that has not been clearly documented yet and some people disagree with my opinion of where the perez came from.
I repeat, the connection to the hernandez de hijar and mendoza lines to jewish and moorish ancestors have been documented
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“Jew settlers in Mexico is a myth”!!!???
Some of my husband’s ancestors, the Acostas, were conversos–lots of those came to New Mexico and Mexico. Also, many Mexicans whose ancestors have been in Mexico since the 1600s or earlier have Jewish DNA! Mariano should explain himself.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:08:19 -0800
> From: rubenazo_casillas@yahoo.com.mx
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mixture of clans
>
> Jalisco History says that people from Jalostotitlán Jalisco founded Monterrey, Jews settlers in Mexico is a myth, Mariano Gonzalez in his book “Retoños de España en la nueva Galicia mentions that. By the way, Marianos 7 books will be reary soon, book # 1 is ready.
>
> Ruben Casillas M.
>
> — El lun 22-feb-10, zacatecano020@hotmail.com escribió:
>
>
> De:: zacatecano020@hotmail.com
> Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mixture of clans
> A: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Fecha: lunes, 22 de febrero de 2010, 22:15
>
>
> Yes, Jewish came to Mexico during the colonial times. Monterrey was suppose to have been founded by Jewish settlers. The tradition food of Monterrey is “Cabrito”
>
> But even in Jalisco, we eat “Capirotada” and “Semas” (origins are Jewish)
>
>
Hello Yolanda and Ruben,
I think that we have to be clear when referring to “Jews” in Mexico. As one
of you pointed out we cannot deny the presence of “Jews”, it is well
documented. However, the “Jews” that were allowed to come to Mexico and
other Spanish colonies were actually “conversos” and expected to practice
the Catholic faith. I’m sure that there were several “conversos” that were
involved in the founding of settlements. Those that faltered and returned to
their Jewish faith were removed from power and prosecuted by the Spanish
Inquisition as Yolanda mentions. Therefore, I can see how Mariano Gonzalez
can claim that Jewish settlers in Mexico is a myth, the Catholic church
would not allow it – they were “conversos” or converted Jews who lived among
the regular population as long as they behaved like good Catholics and not
“Jews.”
As far as “Jews” being a race I believe they are considered part of the
“Semitic” group which according to Websters includes Arabs and Jews.
-Angelina-
Hola Yolanda,
puedes encontrar lo que buscas haciendo clic en el siguiente enlace –
http://genealogia-mexico-occidente.googlegroups.com/web/LOS+MITOS+SEFARDITA+Y+FRANCES.doc?hl=es&gda=GIMQmVgAAADdrm5K-NpzlXRH1BLbkxIzCpSekLPUyGbB5BJybbec40_OUkf8gNsll7HvW3cjdtC9utRIadKdAzdMOsaDgXJeMPxMJwSSg-IOy9drq668wBo1YHcDYvgcK1MwRk9oTs4
Es el ultimo de los que sale en la siguiente pagina –
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/genealogia-mexico-occidente/files?hl=es&pli=1
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Yolanda Ochoa wrote:
> Hello Ruben – Can you please share with us what evidence Mariano uses to
> justify the statement that Jews in Mexico is a ‘myth’? I don’t have the
> book. Interesting statement to make when there is much history that proves
> otherwise including the Spanish Inquisition which also took place in Mexico.
> thanks for sharing,
> Yolanda
>
Hello Angelina,
Ruben had already made the comment that Judaism is a religion and not a
race, which goes along with what you say Mariano is saying, even though he
may not have intended it. Once they give up their religion they are no
longer Jewish. However, many of them practiced in hiding, so it is hard to
tell which really were, even with DNA. Especially because culture, religion,
and race don’t always coincide just as Semitic speakers include Arab
Muslims, Arab Christians, and Jews. It also goes along with my posts in the
thread that started this thread, the Madera family. I used the examples of
Castillian being of Latin origin but the DNA of the Castilians is not Roman
and not all groups of people considered Celtic were of the same DNA. Or how
about Mexicans that don’t have Jewish blood eating capirotada. I also
understand that if the mother is not Jewish the children are not either. So
for DNA studies those with Y-DNA of Jews aren’t Jews, only those with mt-DNA
are. Anyway, Gary Felix has a page of a new way to test for Jewish
relatedness. I might question some of it but he is an expert and not me. For
those that are curious here is the link –
http://garyfelix.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index64.htm
Saludos,
Armando
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Angelina Markle wrote:
> Hello Yolanda and Ruben,
>
> I think that we have to be clear when referring to “Jews” in Mexico. As one
> of you pointed out we cannot deny the presence of “Jews”, it is well
> documented. However, the “Jews” that were allowed to come to Mexico and
> other Spanish colonies were actually “conversos” and expected to practice
> the Catholic faith. I’m sure that there were several “conversos” that were
> involved in the founding of settlements. Those that faltered and returned to
> their Jewish faith were removed from power and prosecuted by the Spanish
> Inquisition as Yolanda mentions. Therefore, I can see how Mariano Gonzalez
> can claim that Jewish settlers in Mexico is a myth, the Catholic church
> would not allow it – they were “conversos” or converted Jews who lived among
> the regular population as long as they behaved like good Catholics and not
> “Jews.”
>
> As far as “Jews” being a race I believe they are considered part of the
> “Semitic” group which according to Websters includes Arabs and Jews.
>
> -Angelina-
>
>
>
Hello,
When I search apellido Landa it comes up as a Basque surname.
Landa = prado http://www.euskalnet.net/laviana/gen_bascas/landeta.htm
http://www.misapellidos.com/ver_datos.phtml?cod=8203
http://www.bisabuelos.com/ape/landa.html
http://www.apellidosvascos.com/landa.htm
Any surname can be considered Jewish since they took up the surnames of the
countries they lived in. Therefore the surname is never a dead giveaway.
Same thing with the German surnames –
http://www.amfi.org/mailbag/GermanNames.htm
Saludos,
Armando
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:13 PM, wrote:
> Jewish have been present in Mexico since the early colonial days. Even in
> Jalisco! In our pueblo of Huejuquilla one of the major family names is
> “Landa.”
>
> In this website you can type in the surname “Landa” and the location as:
> Huejuquilla, Jalisco:
>
> http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home
>
> When I entered that name in a surname origin website, it came out as
> Jewish:
>
> http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fc/qx/quick-family-crest.htm
>
>
>
Here is another website I should have linked –
http://www.jewfaq.org/jnames.htm
That same website seems to be complete on everything Jewish. It even goes
into detail about who is a Jew – http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Armando Antuñano wrote:
> Hello,
>
> When I search apellido Landa it comes up as a Basque surname.
> Landa = prado http://www.euskalnet.net/laviana/gen_bascas/landeta.htm
> http://www.misapellidos.com/ver_datos.phtml?cod=8203
> http://www.bisabuelos.com/ape/landa.html
> http://www.apellidosvascos.com/landa.htm
>
> Any surname can be considered Jewish since they took up the surnames of the
> countries they lived in. Therefore the surname is never a dead giveaway.
> Same thing with the German surnames –
> http://www.amfi.org/mailbag/GermanNames.htm
>
> Saludos,
> Armando
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:13 PM, wrote:
>
>> Jewish have been present in Mexico since the early colonial days. Even in
>> Jalisco! In our pueblo of Huejuquilla one of the major family names is
>> “Landa.”
>>
>> In this website you can type in the surname “Landa” and the location as:
>> Huejuquilla, Jalisco:
>>
>> http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home
>>
>> When I entered that name in a surname origin website, it came out as
>> Jewish:
>>
>> http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fc/qx/quick-family-crest.htm
>>
>>
>>
