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Monterrey & African Legacy

lunalatina1955 · 2006-12-29T02:00:09Z

Hi Alicia and Welester and Ranchos Group, I was just in Monterrey,as part of the Chicago educators and Mexican Fine Arts Museum delegation dedicating an exhibit to Monterrey's exhibit on our Hi Alicia and Welester and Ranchos Group, I was just in Monterrey,as part of the Chicago educators and Mexican Fine Arts Museum delegation dedicating an exhibit to Monterrey's exhibit on our African legacy. Please check this out Welester while the exhibit is still there (right across the street from the state capitol building). It is beautiful and very enlightening, particularly for those of us with limited information of our African legacy in Mexico. I have shared many of my resources with my district's curriculum director. However, Joseph, I have two CD's about this (African legacy in Mexico), plus an enormous amount of wonderful photos I took. Please let me know how I can share with the group. The CD's have music and voice to them...I have some beautiful photos of Santiago...I believe another member of the group mentioned they have family from there. In addition, I was fortunate enough to speak personally with Santiago's historian..anyone with questions, let me know. Perhaps one of the nicest things I got to do was to interview an elder from this side of the family in Monterrery- I learned some additional information that would normally not be shared...additionally, I got a photo of my great great aunt whose last name was Elizondo Elizondo - she was not only beautiful, but I was amazed how much our gene pool skips first generation and resembles 2nd and 3rd generation. I was able to take a photo of the painting... Also, I attended my mom's funeral shortly after I returned from Mexico. There were originally 10 siblings, now there is only one. This is the reason why I was unable to contact the group earlier. My mother and an aunt are the last of the Luna/Herrera's 2nd generation that came from my grandparents (Manuel Luna Herrera and Norberta Herrera Luna were the 1st generation) that were born in the Tlaltenango, Zacatecas. I took pictures of the family during this occasion, I can certainly forward them to the group as well. Perhaps one of you might look one of us? Alicia, you ask why there may be so much interest and formalized groups of us researchers in the United States. I think the reasons vary - but I suspect many of us still have one foot in Mexico (even if we were never there) because of the stories we heard as young ones or because of the discrimination we felt in this country. I also think that many people in Mexico "saben las movidas", and don't necessarily rely on formalized groups to share information. But like many of this group, I feel it is important to share, because we all share a similar disenfranchised past. Connecting the dots makes us all feel part of a family, and hence part of a larger group such as nuestros ranchos. Happy New Year everyone. Hope your Christmas was filled with wonderful memories and a shared family past. Esperanza Chicagoland area

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mistyriver123

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Now…Now…Esperanza let’s not be shy!!

Joseph, Esperanza and I have been communicating, do believe prior to “Ranchos”, and are certain we connect with our Herrera’s and Lunas. Esperanza is a brilliant, and well accomplished woman in her own right…with many five stars…

Now…Esperanza…step up to the microphone…you can do it!!!
Your prima….Helyn

Latina1955@aol.com wrote:
Joseph,

Ay….me da verguenza…..while I do know a little of something, I don’t
feel I am an authority, such as the Curriculum Director from the Mexican Fine
Arts Museum in Chicago. That is why I have asked her to accompany me to make the
joint presentation, using materials they developed for educators. Let me
ask her permission….and we can go from there….okay?

Contact me personally using my email….there may be yet another way to
share information without necessarily recording me…

Esperanza

Posted : 31/12/2006 7:15 pm

mistyriver123

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Now…Now…Esperanza let’s not be shy!!

Now…Esperanza…step up to the microphone…you can do it!!!
Your prima….Helyn

Latina1955@aol.com wrote:
Joseph,

Contact me personally using my email….there may be yet another way to
share information without necessarily recording me…

Esperanza

Posted : 31/12/2006 7:15 pm

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Just a general question indirectly related to the current conversation topic…

I’d recently had my DNA tested at familytreedna.com and my patrilineal DNA had markers traceable back to Northwestern China. Do all of us with Indio blood carry the same general DNA characteristics given the native Americans probable point of origin being Siberia/Northern Asia?
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—–Original Message—–
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:34:40
To:research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Monterrey & African Legacy

Hi Emilie, we’re snow birds and only live in Gold River, Vancouver Island 6 months a year. The other 6 months we’re open to anything.. this year it’s Everett again.

I don’t know my Zacatecas Indio ancestors bands either. There were so many different groups that came with the Spaniards into Zacatecas to tame those dawg-gone Chichimicas.. Since Indio’s come into my lines as mostly females, except my Garcia line in Jerez, I haven’t had any luck but one day… I keep searching and with the help of this group most of us will get farther than we can alone.. Actually to be able to find Indio surnames is a challenge in itself! I don’t plan on giving up just like you won’t either…

Linda in Everett

Emilie Garcia wrote:
Linda,

That is a wonderful story and you are a great painter. You had a wonderful concept there with the women and the she-wolf. (I can’t believe you are a great-grandma). Makes me feel like getting out the old easel again too. My mother is descended from the Tewa-Manso-Piro (Pueblo tribes) of Paso del Norte/New Mexico, yet the covers of the booklets some of my cousins have put out only depict the Espanoles in their polished armor sitting on beautiful Arabian horses, ha! Just because every ancestor of my mother’s is listed as espanol up to 1821 when they stopped identifying their race, and many of them were white and blue-eyed, many of us descendants only have to look in the mirror and see that after 1821 they must have started intermarrying with the Indios. I haven’t any idea which tribes my father descends from in Zacatecas (his Indian ancestors were listed simply as Yndio), and I have no male Olagues related to my father to ask for their DNA. I haven’t had a DNA test done on
myself
yet. Maybe I will now.

By the way, did you move back to Everett from Canada?

Regards,

Emilie Garcia
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Posted : 01/01/2007 3:30 am

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Just a general question indirectly related to the current conversation topic…

—–Original Message—–
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:34:40
To:research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Monterrey & African Legacy

Hi Emilie, we’re snow birds and only live in Gold River, Vancouver Island 6 months a year. The other 6 months we’re open to anything.. this year it’s Everett again.

Linda in Everett

Emilie Garcia wrote:
Linda,

By the way, did you move back to Everett from Canada?

Regards,

Emilie Garcia
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Posted : 01/01/2007 3:30 am

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Tony, what haplogroup are you? My Uncle Louis Gutierrez is Haplogroup N and the thinking is that he’s Native American since a sub-group Haplogroup N3 found in Seville Spain is thought to be from Moctezuma’s retinue who were there, otherwise Haplogroup N is found in Siberia, Finland and Russia today.. I’ve noticed Indeginous males are usually HaplogroupQ or Q1.. and Indeginous woman are Haplogroups A, B, C or D.. My mtdna came back Haplogroup A. which would be Nahua in Mexico, Lakota, Zuni, Navajo and others in the states and Haida in Canada and Eleut in Alaska, first group A traceable to Siberia. Have you submitted your results to Gary Felix’s dna site?
Linda in Everett

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Tony Diaz wrote:
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Linda,

My haplogroup is Q3, which I understand to be limited only to Native American populations.

If anyone would like to compare their 12-marker Y-DNA profile to mine, I would be more than happy to share.

Tony
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—–Original Message—–
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 00:10:25
To:research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Monterrey & African Legacy

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Posted : 01/01/2007 6:30 pm

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Linda,

My haplogroup is Q3, which I understand to be limited only to Native American populations.

If anyone would like to compare their 12-marker Y-DNA profile to mine, I would be more than happy to share.

Tony
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—–Original Message—–
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 00:10:25
To:research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Monterrey & African Legacy

Tony Diaz wrote:
Just a general question indirectly related to the current conversation topic…

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longsjourney

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Thank you for replying Tony, I’m still looking for that elusive Native American who’s dna is Haplogroup N besides my Gutierrez line.
Linda in Everett

Tony Diaz wrote:
Linda,

My haplogroup is Q3, which I understand to be limited only to Native American populations.

If anyone would like to compare their 12-marker Y-DNA profile to mine, I would be more than happy to share.

Tony
Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from U.S. Cellular

—–Original Message—–
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 00:10:25
To:research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Monterrey & African Legacy

Tony Diaz wrote:
Just a general question indirectly related to the current conversation topic…

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Posted : 01/01/2007 8:15 pm

longsjourney

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Thank you for replying Tony, I’m still looking for that elusive Native American who’s dna is Haplogroup N besides my Gutierrez line.
Linda in Everett

Tony Diaz wrote:
Linda,

My haplogroup is Q3, which I understand to be limited only to Native American populations.

If anyone would like to compare their 12-marker Y-DNA profile to mine, I would be more than happy to share.

Tony
Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from U.S. Cellular

—–Original Message—–
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 00:10:25
To:research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Monterrey & African Legacy

Tony Diaz wrote:
Just a general question indirectly related to the current conversation topic…

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Posted : 01/01/2007 8:15 pm

lunalatina1955

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Topic starter

In a message dated 12/31/2006 12:53:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,
mistyriver123@yahoo.com writes:

Esperanza: Please accept my heartfelt condolences on the loss of your
mother. May your heart always be filled with the wonderful memories, and love of
your mother.

I just went to phone you, but only have your home address. Please send me
your phone number off line.

You were so supportive to me when I lost my three siblings, and the
heartfelt letters that you sent. You are such a wonderful caring person. Abrazos y
besos/Helyn

Thank you Helyn for your kind words…they are truly appreciated. In
reality, I knew that her death was forthcoming – but I had no idea when…or how to
anticipate the eventual circumstances….she is at peace…a peace she never
really had during her life.

Thank you also for the accolades…you are much too generous…it is I who
have reason to be indebted to your kindness and generosity shown to me
throughout the years.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

Posted : 02/01/2007 12:30 am

lunalatina1955

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Posts: 338

Topic starter

In a message dated 12/31/2006 12:53:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,
mistyriver123@yahoo.com writes:

Esperanza: Please accept my heartfelt condolences on the loss of your
mother. May your heart always be filled with the wonderful memories, and love of
your mother.

I just went to phone you, but only have your home address. Please send me
your phone number off line.

You were so supportive to me when I lost my three siblings, and the
heartfelt letters that you sent. You are such a wonderful caring person. Abrazos y
besos/Helyn

Thank you also for the accolades…you are much too generous…it is I who
have reason to be indebted to your kindness and generosity shown to me
throughout the years.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

Posted : 02/01/2007 12:30 am

lunalatina1955

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Posts: 338

Topic starter

In a message dated 12/31/2006 10:30:49 A.M. Central Standard Time,
hombrepi@hotmail.com writes:

Hi there Esperanza ,

I have a few books on mariages from Villa de Santiago and they all have
references on negro , mulatto , esclavo , collote and the protocolos de Monterrey
also have the same references , there are quite a few .

Welester

Very interesting Welester…as my conversations with some historians from
Nuevo Leon/Monterrey themselves were not aware of this shared past….indeed,
the reason, I believe, that Monterrey Museum embraced this exhibit was because
they felt a safe distance…hmmm,,,

Esperanza

Posted : 02/01/2007 9:15 am

lunalatina1955

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Topic starter

In a message dated 12/31/2006 10:30:49 A.M. Central Standard Time,
hombrepi@hotmail.com writes:

Hi there Esperanza ,

Welester

Esperanza

Posted : 02/01/2007 9:15 am

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