my grandmother was hija natural but 20 years later she names her Father on her marriage record, she even took his surname even though the man never married her Mother.
Linda in Everett
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From: Alicia Carrillo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nochistlan-Bautismos 1870-1876-Errores
once a child is baptized as being “hija natural,” does that “status,” continue on if and when that child marries?
Pat, I don’t know the answer to this question, but it’s very good question. Maybe someone who’s more knowledgable than me can answer it?
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From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nochistlan-Bautismos 1870-1876-Errores
Alicia,
I have a question, once a child is baptized as being “hija natural,” does that “status,” continue on if and when that child marries?
Tino’s maternal grandmother was baptized as being “hija natural,” but on her “Informacion Matrimonial,” she was noted as being “hija legitima.”
Was that because by the time she married her parents were married?
Why do some people have pages of “informacion matrimonials,” while others have very limited marriage information? Was it based on the wealth/status of the individuals involved and their ability to pay?
Pat
Linda and Pat, so I guess there’s no hardfast rule ??
Alicia
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From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: “research@nuestrosranchos.org”
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nochistlan-Bautismos 1870-1876-Errores
my grandmother was hija natural but 20 years later she names her Father on her marriage record, she even took his surname even though the man never married her Mother.
Linda in Everett
________________________________
From: Alicia Carrillo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nochistlan-Bautismos 1870-1876-Errores
once a child is baptized as being “hija natural,” does that “status,” continue on if and when that child marries?
Pat, I don’t know the answer to this question, but it’s very good question. Maybe someone who’s more knowledgable than me can answer it?
________________________________
From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nochistlan-Bautismos 1870-1876-Errores
Alicia,
I have a question, once a child is baptized as being “hija natural,” does that “status,” continue on if and when that child marries?
Tino’s maternal grandmother was baptized as being “hija natural,” but on her “Informacion Matrimonial,” she was noted as being “hija legitima.”
Was that because by the time she married her parents were married?
Why do some people have pages of “informacion matrimonials,” while others have very limited marriage information? Was it based on the wealth/status of the individuals involved and their ability to pay?
Pat
I have seen situations in which the parents of a child are married a year
or two before the marriage of the child. It makes one think the reason the
parents married was so the child could be listed as a legitimate child in
the marriage record. I take it that the baptism of the person you speak has
the names of the parents even though she was an hija natural. Is that the
case?
Armando
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Pat Corbera wrote:
>
>
> Alicia,
>
>
> I have a question, once a child is baptized as being “hija natural,” does
> that “status,” continue on if and when that child marries?
>
> Tino’s maternal grandmother was baptized as being “hija natural,” but on
> her “Informacion Matrimonial,” she was noted as being “hija legitima.”
>
> Was that because by the time she married her parents were married?
>
> Why do some people have pages of “informacion matrimonials,” while others
> have very limited marriage information? Was it based on the wealth/status
> of the individuals involved and their ability to pay?
>
>
> Pat
Thank you Alicia and Linda,
I’m beginning to believe that it’s best when one reaches adulthood to just claim “hija legitima,” status… too difficult to explain the other. In Tino’s ancestor’s situation, she was bapatized as “hija natural,” but the name of the father as well as that of the A.P. and A.M. were all mentioned. I did locate the marriage record for her parents, and they did marry after she was born…so by the time she married her parents were married and alive…
Thank you for your comments/added information.
Pat Silva Corbera
—– Original Message —–
From: “Erlinda Castanon-Long”
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:47:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nochistlan-Bautismos 1870-1876-Errores
my grandmother was hija natural but 20 years later she names her Father on her marriage record, she even took his surname even though the man never married her Mother.
Linda in Everett
________________________________
From: Alicia Carrillo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nochistlan-Bautismos 1870-1876-Errores
once a child is baptized as being “hija natural,” does that “status,” continue on if and when that child marries?
Pat, I don’t know the answer to this question, but it’s very good question. Maybe someone who’s more knowledgable than me can answer it?
________________________________
From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nochistlan-Bautismos 1870-1876-Errores
Alicia,
I have a question, once a child is baptized as being “hija natural,” does that “status,” continue on if and when that child marries?
Tino’s maternal grandmother was baptized as being “hija natural,” but on her “Informacion Matrimonial,” she was noted as being “hija legitima.”
Was that because by the time she married her parents were married?
Why do some people have pages of “informacion matrimonials,” while others have very limited marriage information? Was it based on the wealth/status of the individuals involved and their ability to pay?
Pat
Armando,
The situation that you mentioned I had never thought to check that out, but I will do so. I have come across a couple of direct line ancestors that married after the birth/baptism of the their children. I will see if that marriage may have happened shortly before the marriage of one of their offspring.
Yes, the child’s baptism record of (30 Nov 1871) noted as “hija natural,” mentioned the mother, the father, as well as the A.P. and A.M. The parents were married 22 May 1873, almost 18 months after the Nov 1871 baptism.
Thank you for adding to this thread…
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA
—– Original Message —–
From: “Armando”
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:32:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nochistlan-Bautismos 1870-1876-Errores
I have seen situations in which the parents of a child are married a year
or two before the marriage of the child. It makes one think the reason the
parents married was so the child could be listed as a legitimate child in
the marriage record. I take it that the baptism of the person you speak has
the names of the parents even though she was an hija natural. Is that the
case?
Armando
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Pat Corbera wrote:
>
>
> Alicia,
>
>
> I have a question, once a child is baptized as being “hija natural,” does
> that “status,” continue on if and when that child marries?
>
> Tino’s maternal grandmother was baptized as being “hija natural,” but on
> her “Informacion Matrimonial,” she was noted as being “hija legitima.”
>
> Was that because by the time she married her parents were married?
>
> Why do some people have pages of “informacion matrimonials,” while others
> have very limited marriage information? Was it based on the wealth/status
> of the individuals involved and their ability to pay?
>
>
> Pat
