I have uploaded pictures of Sombrerete in the album section. I have also added one more picture to the La Noria album. This last picture is one of old miners, circa 1900.
Joseph, I have made additional comments on the cemetary pictures of La Noria. There are a few people who still live there but I could not figure out where since it appeared to be a ghost town. If they lived there, I wonder if they had any water or electricity.
I can upload pictures of Zacatecas, Zacatecas if any one is interested.
Ed
yes please do load the Zacatecs, Zacatecas pictures.
thanks much,
joseph
Edward Serros wrote:
>I have uploaded pictures of Sombrerete in the album section. I have also added one more picture to the La Noria album. This last picture is one of old miners, circa 1900.
>
>Joseph, I have made additional comments on the cemetary pictures of La Noria. There are a few people who still live there but I could not figure out where since it appeared to be a ghost town. If they lived there, I wonder if they had any water or electricity.
>
>I can upload pictures of Zacatecas, Zacatecas if any one is interested.
>
>Ed
yes please do load the Zacatecs, Zacatecas pictures.
thanks much,
joseph
Edward Serros wrote:
>I have uploaded pictures of Sombrerete in the album section. I have also added one more picture to the La Noria album. This last picture is one of old miners, circa 1900.
>
>Joseph, I have made additional comments on the cemetary pictures of La Noria. There are a few people who still live there but I could not figure out where since it appeared to be a ghost town. If they lived there, I wonder if they had any water or electricity.
>
>I can upload pictures of Zacatecas, Zacatecas if any one is interested.
>
>Ed
Edward Serros wrote:
>I have uploaded pictures of Sombrerete in the album section. I have also added one more picture to the La Noria album. This last picture is one of old miners, circa 1900.
>
>Joseph, I have made additional comments on the cemetary pictures of La Noria.
>
Yes I see it now. . .I didn’t read this before: [The cemetary where I
found the grave of my great grandfather, Agustin Salas. The crosses are
made of steel pipes either welded together or screwed onto a four way
pipe connector.]
joseph
ps: who was that big one in the middle? Was it your Great Grandfather?
> There are a few people who still live there but I could not figure out where since it appeared to be a ghost town. If they lived there, I wonder if they had any water or electricity.
>
>I can upload pictures of Zacatecas, Zacatecas if any one is interested.
>
>Ed
Edward Serros wrote:
>I have uploaded pictures of Sombrerete in the album section. I have also added one more picture to the La Noria album. This last picture is one of old miners, circa 1900.
>
>Joseph, I have made additional comments on the cemetary pictures of La Noria.
>
Yes I see it now. . .I didn’t read this before: [The cemetary where I
found the grave of my great grandfather, Agustin Salas. The crosses are
made of steel pipes either welded together or screwed onto a four way
pipe connector.]
joseph
ps: who was that big one in the middle? Was it your Great Grandfather?
> There are a few people who still live there but I could not figure out where since it appeared to be a ghost town. If they lived there, I wonder if they had any water or electricity.
>
>I can upload pictures of Zacatecas, Zacatecas if any one is interested.
>
>Ed
Ed please upload the pictures of Sombrerete; my
grandmother and four generations Lopez family is from
the at area as well as my Gonzalez family. I’ll look
forward to viewing these pictures.
Does anybody have any pictures of Sauz de los
Marquez??
Ed please upload the pictures of Sombrerete; my
grandmother and four generations Lopez family is from
the at area as well as my Gonzalez family. I’ll look
forward to viewing these pictures.
Does anybody have any pictures of Sauz de los
Marquez??
Please do! Marge:)
>
> I can upload pictures of Zacatecas, Zacatecas if any one is interested.
>
> Ed
Please do! Marge:)
>
> I can upload pictures of Zacatecas, Zacatecas if any one is interested.
>
> Ed
Carol Turner wrote:
>Ed please upload the pictures of Sombrerete; my
>grandmother and four generations Lopez family is from
>the at area as well as my Gonzalez family. I’ll look
>forward to viewing these pictures.
>
>Does anybody have any pictures of Sauz de los
>Marquez??
>
Yes I have two, but they are not very good. Look in Albums–>Suaz de los
Marquez
joseph
ps: see the monument. Is that your main line relative: Francisco Muro
Marquez? He was Historiador now wouldn’t that imply that he wrote
something about the area? Seems like we need to investigate this. If you
know how he is our Relative please let me know, maybe Susanna knows also.
>
>
>
Carol Turner wrote:
>Ed please upload the pictures of Sombrerete; my
>grandmother and four generations Lopez family is from
>the at area as well as my Gonzalez family. I’ll look
>forward to viewing these pictures.
>
>Does anybody have any pictures of Sauz de los
>Marquez??
>
Yes I have two, but they are not very good. Look in Albums–>Suaz de los
Marquez
joseph
ps: see the monument. Is that your main line relative: Francisco Muro
Marquez? He was Historiador now wouldn’t that imply that he wrote
something about the area? Seems like we need to investigate this. If you
know how he is our Relative please let me know, maybe Susanna knows also.
>
>
>
Wow, Carol, now we have a mystery. that map I sent to the group
positively shows Sauz de los Marquez in Zacatecas, but that monument
shows the name Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO. Amazing. I hadn’t
remembered that. We’re going to have to do more investigating as to
where it is. I can’t imagine that there would be two of them. Maybe the
Ranchos changed from Jalisco to Zacatecas recently since that monument
was put up in 1979.
I’m not sure this is the same person but here is a short piece from a
Historiador Francisco Muro Marquez:
28 de Abril
-1578 el historiador Francisco Muro Márquez señaló que Santa María de
los Ángeles fue fundada donde, tras varios autos y escritos, se asienta
el acta de fundación.
-1598 se recibió la cédula real, suscrita por el rey Felipe II, que
autorizaba la fundación de la frontera de San Luis Obispo, en Colotlán.
Carol Turner wrote:
>Ed please upload the pictures of Sombrerete; my
>grandmother and four generations Lopez family is from
>the at area as well as my Gonzalez family. I’ll look
>forward to viewing these pictures.
>
>Does anybody have any pictures of Sauz de los
>Marquez??
>
>
>
Wow, Carol, now we have a mystery. that map I sent to the group
positively shows Sauz de los Marquez in Zacatecas, but that monument
shows the name Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO. Amazing. I hadn’t
remembered that. We’re going to have to do more investigating as to
where it is. I can’t imagine that there would be two of them. Maybe the
Ranchos changed from Jalisco to Zacatecas recently since that monument
was put up in 1979.
I’m not sure this is the same person but here is a short piece from a
Historiador Francisco Muro Marquez:
28 de Abril
-1578 el historiador Francisco Muro Márquez señaló que Santa María de
los Ángeles fue fundada donde, tras varios autos y escritos, se asienta
el acta de fundación.
-1598 se recibió la cédula real, suscrita por el rey Felipe II, que
autorizaba la fundación de la frontera de San Luis Obispo, en Colotlán.
Carol Turner wrote:
>Ed please upload the pictures of Sombrerete; my
>grandmother and four generations Lopez family is from
>the at area as well as my Gonzalez family. I’ll look
>forward to viewing these pictures.
>
>Does anybody have any pictures of Sauz de los
>Marquez??
>
>
>
Sauz de los Marquez is in Jalisco presently. It is part of the
municipality of Santa Maria de Los Angeles. It would not surprise me if
that rancho was at some point considered part of Zacatecas. It is right
on the border and I don’t think those borders were very firm until very
recently.
The three little fingers of Jalisco that jut out into Zacatecas (which
include Santa Maria de los Angeles) are really an anomaly
geographically. They are the remnants of the military colony set up by
the Viceroy of New Spain around the Tlaxcaltec colonies of Colotlan and
Mezquitic. They remained under the control of the Viceroy and were not
subject to the rule of the Audiencia de Guadalajara until nearly the end
of the Spanish colony. Therefore they were not integrated into the
intendencia de Zacatecas when it was spun off from Jalisco (Nueva
Galicia).
You will note that Colotlan and Santa Maria de Los Angeles are actually
part of the diocese of Zacatecas and NOT Guadalajara. Furthermore, the
only way to access these towns by road is through Zacatecas… they have
no direct road access to any other part of Jalisco. They are basically
part of Zacatecas but for some historical anomaly that left them part of
Jalisco.
—–Original Message—–
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
Puentes
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 3:01 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org; Carol Turner
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO
Wow, Carol, now we have a mystery. that map I sent to the group
positively shows Sauz de los Marquez in Zacatecas, but that monument
shows the name Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO. Amazing. I hadn’t
remembered that. We’re going to have to do more investigating as to
where it is. I can’t imagine that there would be two of them. Maybe the
Ranchos changed from Jalisco to Zacatecas recently since that monument
was put up in 1979.
I’m not sure this is the same person but here is a short piece from a
Historiador Francisco Muro Marquez:
http://www.jalisco.gob.mx/Cultura.nsf/1897878423bd1e6486256c860061f796/f
5301d84e617e56a06256cfb006dc1cb?OpenDocument
28 de Abril
-1578 el historiador Francisco Muro Márquez señaló que Santa María de
los Ángeles fue fundada donde, tras varios autos y escritos, se asienta
el acta de fundación.
-1598 se recibió la cédula real, suscrita por el rey Felipe II, que
autorizaba la fundación de la frontera de San Luis Obispo, en Colotlán.
Carol Turner wrote:
>Ed please upload the pictures of Sombrerete; my
>grandmother and four generations Lopez family is from
>the at area as well as my Gonzalez family. I’ll look
>forward to viewing these pictures.
>
>Does anybody have any pictures of Sauz de los
>Marquez??
>
>
>
Sauz de los Marquez is in Jalisco presently. It is part of the
municipality of Santa Maria de Los Angeles. It would not surprise me if
that rancho was at some point considered part of Zacatecas. It is right
on the border and I don’t think those borders were very firm until very
recently.
The three little fingers of Jalisco that jut out into Zacatecas (which
include Santa Maria de los Angeles) are really an anomaly
geographically. They are the remnants of the military colony set up by
the Viceroy of New Spain around the Tlaxcaltec colonies of Colotlan and
Mezquitic. They remained under the control of the Viceroy and were not
subject to the rule of the Audiencia de Guadalajara until nearly the end
of the Spanish colony. Therefore they were not integrated into the
intendencia de Zacatecas when it was spun off from Jalisco (Nueva
Galicia).
You will note that Colotlan and Santa Maria de Los Angeles are actually
part of the diocese of Zacatecas and NOT Guadalajara. Furthermore, the
only way to access these towns by road is through Zacatecas… they have
no direct road access to any other part of Jalisco. They are basically
part of Zacatecas but for some historical anomaly that left them part of
Jalisco.
—–Original Message—–
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
Puentes
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 3:01 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org; Carol Turner
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO
Wow, Carol, now we have a mystery. that map I sent to the group
positively shows Sauz de los Marquez in Zacatecas, but that monument
shows the name Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO. Amazing. I hadn’t
remembered that. We’re going to have to do more investigating as to
where it is. I can’t imagine that there would be two of them. Maybe the
Ranchos changed from Jalisco to Zacatecas recently since that monument
was put up in 1979.
I’m not sure this is the same person but here is a short piece from a
Historiador Francisco Muro Marquez:
http://www.jalisco.gob.mx/Cultura.nsf/1897878423bd1e6486256c860061f796/f
5301d84e617e56a06256cfb006dc1cb?OpenDocument
28 de Abril
-1578 el historiador Francisco Muro Márquez señaló que Santa María de
los Ángeles fue fundada donde, tras varios autos y escritos, se asienta
el acta de fundación.
-1598 se recibió la cédula real, suscrita por el rey Felipe II, que
autorizaba la fundación de la frontera de San Luis Obispo, en Colotlán.
Carol Turner wrote:
>Ed please upload the pictures of Sombrerete; my
>grandmother and four generations Lopez family is from
>the at area as well as my Gonzalez family. I’ll look
>forward to viewing these pictures.
>
>Does anybody have any pictures of Sauz de los
>Marquez??
>
>
>
