Hi Ed!
I am interested in seeing any pictures you have on Zacatecas, Zac.,
especially if they are OLD…..
Thanks! Josie
—–Original Message—–
I can upload pictures of Zacatecas, Zacatecas if any one is interested.
Ed
Hi Ed!
I am interested in seeing any pictures you have on Zacatecas, Zac.,
especially if they are OLD…..
Thanks! Josie
—–Original Message—–
I can upload pictures of Zacatecas, Zacatecas if any one is interested.
Ed
I just uploaded a map to the Sauz de los Marquez album that shows it in
Zacatecas. Maybe the map is in error. . .if it is then that puts into
doubt this whole series of maps.
joseph
go to Albums–>Sauz de los Marquez–>Sauz Map
Arturo Ramos wrote:
>Sauz de los Marquez is in Jalisco presently. It is part of the
>municipality of Santa Maria de Los Angeles. It would not surprise me if
>that rancho was at some point considered part of Zacatecas. It is right
>on the border and I don’t think those borders were very firm until very
>recently.
>
>The three little fingers of Jalisco that jut out into Zacatecas (which
>include Santa Maria de los Angeles) are really an anomaly
>geographically. They are the remnants of the military colony set up by
>the Viceroy of New Spain around the Tlaxcaltec colonies of Colotlan and
>Mezquitic. They remained under the control of the Viceroy and were not
>subject to the rule of the Audiencia de Guadalajara until nearly the end
>of the Spanish colony. Therefore they were not integrated into the
>intendencia de Zacatecas when it was spun off from Jalisco (Nueva
>Galicia).
>
>You will note that Colotlan and Santa Maria de Los Angeles are actually
>part of the diocese of Zacatecas and NOT Guadalajara. Furthermore, the
>only way to access these towns by road is through Zacatecas… they have
>no direct road access to any other part of Jalisco. They are basically
>part of Zacatecas but for some historical anomaly that left them part of
>Jalisco.
>
>—–Original Message—–
>From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
>Puentes
>Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 3:01 AM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org; Carol Turner
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO
>
>Wow, Carol, now we have a mystery. that map I sent to the group
>positively shows Sauz de los Marquez in Zacatecas, but that monument
>shows the name Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO. Amazing. I hadn’t
>remembered that. We’re going to have to do more investigating as to
>where it is. I can’t imagine that there would be two of them. Maybe the
>Ranchos changed from Jalisco to Zacatecas recently since that monument
>was put up in 1979.
>
>I’m not sure this is the same person but here is a short piece from a
>Historiador Francisco Muro Marquez:
>
> http://www.jalisco.gob.mx/Cultura.nsf/1897878423bd1e6486256c860061f796/f
>5301d84e617e56a06256cfb006dc1cb?OpenDocument
>
>28 de Abril
>
>-1578 el historiador Francisco Muro Márquez señaló que Santa María de
>los Ángeles fue fundada donde, tras varios autos y escritos, se asienta
>el acta de fundación.
>-1598 se recibió la cédula real, suscrita por el rey Felipe II, que
>autorizaba la fundación de la frontera de San Luis Obispo, en Colotlán.
>
>Carol Turner wrote:
>
>
>
>>Ed please upload the pictures of Sombrerete; my
>>grandmother and four generations Lopez family is from
>>the at area as well as my Gonzalez family. I’ll look
>>forward to viewing these pictures.
>>
>>Does anybody have any pictures of Sauz de los
>>Marquez??
>>
>>
>>
I just uploaded a map to the Sauz de los Marquez album that shows it in
Zacatecas. Maybe the map is in error. . .if it is then that puts into
doubt this whole series of maps.
joseph
go to Albums–>Sauz de los Marquez–>Sauz Map
Arturo Ramos wrote:
>Sauz de los Marquez is in Jalisco presently. It is part of the
>municipality of Santa Maria de Los Angeles. It would not surprise me if
>that rancho was at some point considered part of Zacatecas. It is right
>on the border and I don’t think those borders were very firm until very
>recently.
>
>The three little fingers of Jalisco that jut out into Zacatecas (which
>include Santa Maria de los Angeles) are really an anomaly
>geographically. They are the remnants of the military colony set up by
>the Viceroy of New Spain around the Tlaxcaltec colonies of Colotlan and
>Mezquitic. They remained under the control of the Viceroy and were not
>subject to the rule of the Audiencia de Guadalajara until nearly the end
>of the Spanish colony. Therefore they were not integrated into the
>intendencia de Zacatecas when it was spun off from Jalisco (Nueva
>Galicia).
>
>You will note that Colotlan and Santa Maria de Los Angeles are actually
>part of the diocese of Zacatecas and NOT Guadalajara. Furthermore, the
>only way to access these towns by road is through Zacatecas… they have
>no direct road access to any other part of Jalisco. They are basically
>part of Zacatecas but for some historical anomaly that left them part of
>Jalisco.
>
>—–Original Message—–
>From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
>Puentes
>Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 3:01 AM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org; Carol Turner
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO
>
>Wow, Carol, now we have a mystery. that map I sent to the group
>positively shows Sauz de los Marquez in Zacatecas, but that monument
>shows the name Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO. Amazing. I hadn’t
>remembered that. We’re going to have to do more investigating as to
>where it is. I can’t imagine that there would be two of them. Maybe the
>Ranchos changed from Jalisco to Zacatecas recently since that monument
>was put up in 1979.
>
>I’m not sure this is the same person but here is a short piece from a
>Historiador Francisco Muro Marquez:
>
> http://www.jalisco.gob.mx/Cultura.nsf/1897878423bd1e6486256c860061f796/f
>5301d84e617e56a06256cfb006dc1cb?OpenDocument
>
>28 de Abril
>
>-1578 el historiador Francisco Muro Márquez señaló que Santa María de
>los Ángeles fue fundada donde, tras varios autos y escritos, se asienta
>el acta de fundación.
>-1598 se recibió la cédula real, suscrita por el rey Felipe II, que
>autorizaba la fundación de la frontera de San Luis Obispo, en Colotlán.
>
>Carol Turner wrote:
>
>
>
>>Ed please upload the pictures of Sombrerete; my
>>grandmother and four generations Lopez family is from
>>the at area as well as my Gonzalez family. I’ll look
>>forward to viewing these pictures.
>>
>>Does anybody have any pictures of Sauz de los
>>Marquez??
>>
>>
>>
I have uploaded pictures of Zacatecas, Zacatecas. I have also added a couple of pictures to La Noria album and will add a couple to Sombrerete album later today or tomorrow.
Ed Serros
I have uploaded pictures of Zacatecas, Zacatecas. I have also added a couple of pictures to La Noria album and will add a couple to Sombrerete album later today or tomorrow.
Ed Serros
Your maps are obviously geological relief maps probably based on
satellite topography imaging. Unfortunately you cannot tell where
political boundaries are from space. I think your mapmaker was a bit
lazy in drawing the political boundaries on that map as there are no
“straight line” boundaries in the three-finger region on Jalisco. I
know that this is a big issue with Nayarit as the indigenous communities
in the Sierra de Huicholes have begun litigating land claims and often
neither they nor officials know what state their lands are in because
the boundaries are somewhat confusing and/or unclear…
I uploaded a map from INEGI’s digital interactive map showing Santa
Maria de los Angeles. Though Sauz de los Marquez is not labeled, it is
easily discernable as the place where the three roads and one trail meet
just above the gray scale marker on the bottom right. It is clearly in
Jalisco.
I also put a link to the INEGI digital map. I will put up a separate
post about that.
—–Original Message—–
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
Puentes
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:46 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO
I just uploaded a map to the Sauz de los Marquez album that shows it in
Zacatecas. Maybe the map is in error. . .if it is then that puts into
doubt this whole series of maps.
joseph
go to Albums–>Sauz de los Marquez–>Sauz Map
Arturo Ramos wrote:
>Sauz de los Marquez is in Jalisco presently. It is part of the
>municipality of Santa Maria de Los Angeles. It would not surprise me
if
>that rancho was at some point considered part of Zacatecas. It is
right
>on the border and I don’t think those borders were very firm until very
>recently.
>
>The three little fingers of Jalisco that jut out into Zacatecas (which
>include Santa Maria de los Angeles) are really an anomaly
>geographically. They are the remnants of the military colony set up by
>the Viceroy of New Spain around the Tlaxcaltec colonies of Colotlan and
>Mezquitic. They remained under the control of the Viceroy and were not
>subject to the rule of the Audiencia de Guadalajara until nearly the
end
>of the Spanish colony. Therefore they were not integrated into the
>intendencia de Zacatecas when it was spun off from Jalisco (Nueva
>Galicia).
>
>You will note that Colotlan and Santa Maria de Los Angeles are actually
>part of the diocese of Zacatecas and NOT Guadalajara. Furthermore, the
>only way to access these towns by road is through Zacatecas… they
have
>no direct road access to any other part of Jalisco. They are basically
>part of Zacatecas but for some historical anomaly that left them part
of
>Jalisco.
>
>—–Original Message—–
>From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
>Puentes
>Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 3:01 AM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org; Carol Turner
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO
>
>Wow, Carol, now we have a mystery. that map I sent to the group
>positively shows Sauz de los Marquez in Zacatecas, but that monument
>shows the name Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO. Amazing. I hadn’t
>remembered that. We’re going to have to do more investigating as to
>where it is. I can’t imagine that there would be two of them. Maybe the
>Ranchos changed from Jalisco to Zacatecas recently since that monument
>was put up in 1979.
>
>I’m not sure this is the same person but here is a short piece from a
>Historiador Francisco Muro Marquez:
>
> http://www.jalisco.gob.mx/Cultura.nsf/1897878423bd1e6486256c860061f796/
f
>5301d84e617e56a06256cfb006dc1cb?OpenDocument
>
>28 de Abril
>
>-1578 el historiador Francisco Muro Márquez señaló que Santa María de
>los Ángeles fue fundada donde, tras varios autos y escritos, se asienta
>el acta de fundación.
>-1598 se recibió la cédula real, suscrita por el rey Felipe II, que
>autorizaba la fundación de la frontera de San Luis Obispo, en Colotlán.
>
>Carol Turner wrote:
>
>
>
>>Ed please upload the pictures of Sombrerete; my
>>grandmother and four generations Lopez family is from
>>the at area as well as my Gonzalez family. I’ll look
>>forward to viewing these pictures.
>>
>>Does anybody have any pictures of Sauz de los
>>Marquez??
>>
>>
>>
Your maps are obviously geological relief maps probably based on
satellite topography imaging. Unfortunately you cannot tell where
political boundaries are from space. I think your mapmaker was a bit
lazy in drawing the political boundaries on that map as there are no
“straight line” boundaries in the three-finger region on Jalisco. I
know that this is a big issue with Nayarit as the indigenous communities
in the Sierra de Huicholes have begun litigating land claims and often
neither they nor officials know what state their lands are in because
the boundaries are somewhat confusing and/or unclear…
I uploaded a map from INEGI’s digital interactive map showing Santa
Maria de los Angeles. Though Sauz de los Marquez is not labeled, it is
easily discernable as the place where the three roads and one trail meet
just above the gray scale marker on the bottom right. It is clearly in
Jalisco.
I also put a link to the INEGI digital map. I will put up a separate
post about that.
—–Original Message—–
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
Puentes
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:46 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO
I just uploaded a map to the Sauz de los Marquez album that shows it in
Zacatecas. Maybe the map is in error. . .if it is then that puts into
doubt this whole series of maps.
joseph
go to Albums–>Sauz de los Marquez–>Sauz Map
Arturo Ramos wrote:
>Sauz de los Marquez is in Jalisco presently. It is part of the
>municipality of Santa Maria de Los Angeles. It would not surprise me
if
>that rancho was at some point considered part of Zacatecas. It is
right
>on the border and I don’t think those borders were very firm until very
>recently.
>
>The three little fingers of Jalisco that jut out into Zacatecas (which
>include Santa Maria de los Angeles) are really an anomaly
>geographically. They are the remnants of the military colony set up by
>the Viceroy of New Spain around the Tlaxcaltec colonies of Colotlan and
>Mezquitic. They remained under the control of the Viceroy and were not
>subject to the rule of the Audiencia de Guadalajara until nearly the
end
>of the Spanish colony. Therefore they were not integrated into the
>intendencia de Zacatecas when it was spun off from Jalisco (Nueva
>Galicia).
>
>You will note that Colotlan and Santa Maria de Los Angeles are actually
>part of the diocese of Zacatecas and NOT Guadalajara. Furthermore, the
>only way to access these towns by road is through Zacatecas… they
have
>no direct road access to any other part of Jalisco. They are basically
>part of Zacatecas but for some historical anomaly that left them part
of
>Jalisco.
>
>—–Original Message—–
>From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
>Puentes
>Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 3:01 AM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org; Carol Turner
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO
>
>Wow, Carol, now we have a mystery. that map I sent to the group
>positively shows Sauz de los Marquez in Zacatecas, but that monument
>shows the name Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO. Amazing. I hadn’t
>remembered that. We’re going to have to do more investigating as to
>where it is. I can’t imagine that there would be two of them. Maybe the
>Ranchos changed from Jalisco to Zacatecas recently since that monument
>was put up in 1979.
>
>I’m not sure this is the same person but here is a short piece from a
>Historiador Francisco Muro Marquez:
>
> http://www.jalisco.gob.mx/Cultura.nsf/1897878423bd1e6486256c860061f796/
f
>5301d84e617e56a06256cfb006dc1cb?OpenDocument
>
>28 de Abril
>
>-1578 el historiador Francisco Muro Márquez señaló que Santa María de
>los Ángeles fue fundada donde, tras varios autos y escritos, se asienta
>el acta de fundación.
>-1598 se recibió la cédula real, suscrita por el rey Felipe II, que
>autorizaba la fundación de la frontera de San Luis Obispo, en Colotlán.
>
>Carol Turner wrote:
>
>
>
>>Ed please upload the pictures of Sombrerete; my
>>grandmother and four generations Lopez family is from
>>the at area as well as my Gonzalez family. I’ll look
>>forward to viewing these pictures.
>>
>>Does anybody have any pictures of Sauz de los
>>Marquez??
>>
>>
>>
I thought I had created an album entitled ‘Revolution in Zacatecas, Zacatecas 1913″ but all I did was submit 4 photo’s that are not in an album… help!!!
Can someone send me the correct instructions since left to my own devices I’m dangerous…
Linda in Everett…
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I thought I had created an album entitled ‘Revolution in Zacatecas, Zacatecas 1913″ but all I did was submit 4 photo’s that are not in an album… help!!!
Can someone send me the correct instructions since left to my own devices I’m dangerous…
Linda in Everett…
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great. . .this is good to know. Even though these maps are very very
detailed they will have to be marked as “suspect” for accuracy.
thanks,
joseph
Arturo Ramos wrote:
>Joseph:
>
>Your maps are obviously geological relief maps probably based on
>satellite topography imaging. Unfortunately you cannot tell where
>political boundaries are from space. I think your mapmaker was a bit
>lazy in drawing the political boundaries on that map as there are no
>”straight line” boundaries in the three-finger region on Jalisco. I
>know that this is a big issue with Nayarit as the indigenous communities
>in the Sierra de Huicholes have begun litigating land claims and often
>neither they nor officials know what state their lands are in because
>the boundaries are somewhat confusing and/or unclear…
>
>I uploaded a map from INEGI’s digital interactive map showing Santa
>Maria de los Angeles. Though Sauz de los Marquez is not labeled, it is
>easily discernable as the place where the three roads and one trail meet
>just above the gray scale marker on the bottom right. It is clearly in
>Jalisco.
>
>I also put a link to the INEGI digital map. I will put up a separate
>post about that.
>
>—–Original Message—–
>From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
>Puentes
>Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:46 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO
>
>I just uploaded a map to the Sauz de los Marquez album that shows it in
>Zacatecas. Maybe the map is in error. . .if it is then that puts into
>doubt this whole series of maps.
>
>joseph
>
>go to Albums–>Sauz de los Marquez–>Sauz Map
>
>Arturo Ramos wrote:
>
>
>
>>Sauz de los Marquez is in Jalisco presently. It is part of the
>>municipality of Santa Maria de Los Angeles. It would not surprise me
>>
>>
>if
>
>
>>that rancho was at some point considered part of Zacatecas. It is
>>
>>
>right
>
>
>>on the border and I don’t think those borders were very firm until very
>>recently.
>>
>>The three little fingers of Jalisco that jut out into Zacatecas (which
>>include Santa Maria de los Angeles) are really an anomaly
>>geographically. They are the remnants of the military colony set up by
>>the Viceroy of New Spain around the Tlaxcaltec colonies of Colotlan and
>>Mezquitic. They remained under the control of the Viceroy and were not
>>subject to the rule of the Audiencia de Guadalajara until nearly the
>>
>>
>end
>
>
>>of the Spanish colony. Therefore they were not integrated into the
>>intendencia de Zacatecas when it was spun off from Jalisco (Nueva
>>Galicia).
>>
>>You will note that Colotlan and Santa Maria de Los Angeles are actually
>>part of the diocese of Zacatecas and NOT Guadalajara. Furthermore, the
>>only way to access these towns by road is through Zacatecas… they
>>
>>
>have
>
>
>>no direct road access to any other part of Jalisco. They are basically
>>part of Zacatecas but for some historical anomaly that left them part
>>
>>
>of
>
>
>>Jalisco.
>>
>>—–Original Message—–
>>From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>>[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
>>Puentes
>>Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 3:01 AM
>>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org; Carol Turner
>>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO
>>
>>Wow, Carol, now we have a mystery. that map I sent to the group
>>positively shows Sauz de los Marquez in Zacatecas, but that monument
>>shows the name Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO. Amazing. I hadn’t
>>remembered that. We’re going to have to do more investigating as to
>>where it is. I can’t imagine that there would be two of them. Maybe the
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>Ranchos changed from Jalisco to Zacatecas recently since that monument
>>was put up in 1979.
>>
>>I’m not sure this is the same person but here is a short piece from a
>>Historiador Francisco Muro Marquez:
>>
>> http://www.jalisco.gob.mx/Cultura.nsf/1897878423bd1e6486256c860061f796/
>>
>>
>f
>
>
>>5301d84e617e56a06256cfb006dc1cb?OpenDocument
>>
>>28 de Abril
>>
>>-1578 el historiador Francisco Muro Márquez señaló que Santa María de
>>los Ángeles fue fundada donde, tras varios autos y escritos, se asienta
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>el acta de fundación.
>>-1598 se recibió la cédula real, suscrita por el rey Felipe II, que
>>autorizaba la fundación de la frontera de San Luis Obispo, en Colotlán.
>>
>>Carol Turner wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Ed please upload the pictures of Sombrerete; my
>>>grandmother and four generations Lopez family is from
>>>the at area as well as my Gonzalez family. I’ll look
>>>forward to viewing these pictures.
>>>
>>>Does anybody have any pictures of Sauz de los
>>>Marquez??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>— Edward Serros wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have uploaded pictures of La Noria de San
>>>>Panteleon, a place that is eerie but at the same
>>>>time very peaceful and natural. When I was there I
>>>>looked at the walls that were old and cracked; the
>>>>next moment I could almost feel the activity and the
>>>>life of the town spring from those same walls.
>>>>
>>>>I have pictures of Sombrerete also. If someone has
>>>>an interest in seeing this town which was used in
>>>>many westerns years ago, I will upload them. It is
>>>>truly a mining town. The Conde Don Fernando de la
>>>>Campa y Cos, who was from the Valparaiso and
>>>>Zacatecas, Zacatecas area, is buried here. The
>>>>haciendas that stretch from Valaparaiso to Fresnillo
>>>>and Zacatecas were built by de la Campa and his
>>>>descendants. These haciendas today are simply shells
>>>>of their former glory and mark the end of the
>>>>personal wealth created by the silver mines of
>>>>Zacatecas.
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>>– — — — — — — — — — — — —
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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great. . .this is good to know. Even though these maps are very very
detailed they will have to be marked as “suspect” for accuracy.
thanks,
joseph
Arturo Ramos wrote:
>Joseph:
>
>Your maps are obviously geological relief maps probably based on
>satellite topography imaging. Unfortunately you cannot tell where
>political boundaries are from space. I think your mapmaker was a bit
>lazy in drawing the political boundaries on that map as there are no
>”straight line” boundaries in the three-finger region on Jalisco. I
>know that this is a big issue with Nayarit as the indigenous communities
>in the Sierra de Huicholes have begun litigating land claims and often
>neither they nor officials know what state their lands are in because
>the boundaries are somewhat confusing and/or unclear…
>
>I uploaded a map from INEGI’s digital interactive map showing Santa
>Maria de los Angeles. Though Sauz de los Marquez is not labeled, it is
>easily discernable as the place where the three roads and one trail meet
>just above the gray scale marker on the bottom right. It is clearly in
>Jalisco.
>
>I also put a link to the INEGI digital map. I will put up a separate
>post about that.
>
>—–Original Message—–
>From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
>Puentes
>Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:46 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO
>
>I just uploaded a map to the Sauz de los Marquez album that shows it in
>Zacatecas. Maybe the map is in error. . .if it is then that puts into
>doubt this whole series of maps.
>
>joseph
>
>go to Albums–>Sauz de los Marquez–>Sauz Map
>
>Arturo Ramos wrote:
>
>
>
>>Sauz de los Marquez is in Jalisco presently. It is part of the
>>municipality of Santa Maria de Los Angeles. It would not surprise me
>>
>>
>if
>
>
>>that rancho was at some point considered part of Zacatecas. It is
>>
>>
>right
>
>
>>on the border and I don’t think those borders were very firm until very
>>recently.
>>
>>The three little fingers of Jalisco that jut out into Zacatecas (which
>>include Santa Maria de los Angeles) are really an anomaly
>>geographically. They are the remnants of the military colony set up by
>>the Viceroy of New Spain around the Tlaxcaltec colonies of Colotlan and
>>Mezquitic. They remained under the control of the Viceroy and were not
>>subject to the rule of the Audiencia de Guadalajara until nearly the
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>end
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>>of the Spanish colony. Therefore they were not integrated into the
>>intendencia de Zacatecas when it was spun off from Jalisco (Nueva
>>Galicia).
>>
>>You will note that Colotlan and Santa Maria de Los Angeles are actually
>>part of the diocese of Zacatecas and NOT Guadalajara. Furthermore, the
>>only way to access these towns by road is through Zacatecas… they
>>
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>have
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>>no direct road access to any other part of Jalisco. They are basically
>>part of Zacatecas but for some historical anomaly that left them part
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>of
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>>Jalisco.
>>
>>—–Original Message—–
>>From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>>[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
>>Puentes
>>Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 3:01 AM
>>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org; Carol Turner
>>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO
>>
>>Wow, Carol, now we have a mystery. that map I sent to the group
>>positively shows Sauz de los Marquez in Zacatecas, but that monument
>>shows the name Sauz de los Marquez, JALISCO. Amazing. I hadn’t
>>remembered that. We’re going to have to do more investigating as to
>>where it is. I can’t imagine that there would be two of them. Maybe the
>>
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>>Ranchos changed from Jalisco to Zacatecas recently since that monument
>>was put up in 1979.
>>
>>I’m not sure this is the same person but here is a short piece from a
>>Historiador Francisco Muro Marquez:
>>
>> http://www.jalisco.gob.mx/Cultura.nsf/1897878423bd1e6486256c860061f796/
>>
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>f
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>>5301d84e617e56a06256cfb006dc1cb?OpenDocument
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>>28 de Abril
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>>-1578 el historiador Francisco Muro Márquez señaló que Santa María de
>>los Ángeles fue fundada donde, tras varios autos y escritos, se asienta
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>>el acta de fundación.
>>-1598 se recibió la cédula real, suscrita por el rey Felipe II, que
>>autorizaba la fundación de la frontera de San Luis Obispo, en Colotlán.
>>
>>Carol Turner wrote:
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>>>Ed please upload the pictures of Sombrerete; my
>>>grandmother and four generations Lopez family is from
>>>the at area as well as my Gonzalez family. I’ll look
>>>forward to viewing these pictures.
>>>
>>>Does anybody have any pictures of Sauz de los
>>>Marquez??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>— Edward Serros wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>>I have uploaded pictures of La Noria de San
>>>>Panteleon, a place that is eerie but at the same
>>>>time very peaceful and natural. When I was there I
>>>>looked at the walls that were old and cracked; the
>>>>next moment I could almost feel the activity and the
>>>>life of the town spring from those same walls.
>>>>
>>>>I have pictures of Sombrerete also. If someone has
>>>>an interest in seeing this town which was used in
>>>>many westerns years ago, I will upload them. It is
>>>>truly a mining town. The Conde Don Fernando de la
>>>>Campa y Cos, who was from the Valparaiso and
>>>>Zacatecas, Zacatecas area, is buried here. The
>>>>haciendas that stretch from Valaparaiso to Fresnillo
>>>>and Zacatecas were built by de la Campa and his
>>>>descendants. These haciendas today are simply shells
>>>>of their former glory and mark the end of the
>>>>personal wealth created by the silver mines of
>>>>Zacatecas.
>>>>
>>>>Ed
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Thanks Arturo for the update on Sauz. I have found
most of my our parish records for my family in Santa
Maria and Colotlan.
Thanks Arturo for the update on Sauz. I have found
most of my our parish records for my family in Santa
Maria and Colotlan.
