Actually I think there was also an Ojo de Agua listed in the Jerez Zacatecas records too..
Linda in Everett
Maureen Bejar wrote:
Dear Emilie:
Do you have any information on where I might find records for Ojo de Agua in Jalisco? Catarina would have been born between 1876 and 1877. The LDS has Oje de Agua for Chiapas, but nothing for Jalisco. I might try the Jalisco civil records for that time though. Any other leads would be wonderful. Thanks
Maureen
Actually I think there was also an Ojo de Agua listed in the Jerez Zacatecas records too..
Linda in Everett
Maureen Bejar wrote:
Dear Emilie:
Do you have any information on where I might find records for Ojo de Agua in Jalisco? Catarina would have been born between 1876 and 1877. The LDS has Oje de Agua for Chiapas, but nothing for Jalisco. I might try the Jalisco civil records for that time though. Any other leads would be wonderful. Thanks
Maureen
Hi, Maureen,
No I don’t have any film numbers for Ojo de Agua in Jalisco. I got the name the way you did from a birth or marriage record for one of my husband’s relatives who lived way back in the early 1800s and late 1700s in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. They had children baptized or they were married there, but it mentions in some records that they originated, meaning they had been born in Ojo de Agua, or Ayo del Chico (now Ayotlan), etc. I am just assuming the Ojo de Agua mentioned in the records of Jalisco that I was looking in was the one in Jalisco, but there are several places in Jalisco called Ojo de Agua, also many places with the same name in nearby Aguascalientes. They don’t make it easy. I would just try the civil records in the towns of Jalisco, especially for the late 1800s, since by then civil registration may have been required and those records may have survived the Revolution better than the church records, maybe. There are gaps in most films I have looked at. Goo
d luck –
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Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origin of Catarina Jauregui
Dear Emilie:
Do you have any information on where I might find records for Ojo de Agua in Jalisco? Catarina would have been born between 1876 and 1877. The LDS has Oje de Agua for Chiapas, but nothing for Jalisco. I might try the Jalisco civil records for that time though. Any other leads would be wonderful. Thanks
Maureen
Hi, Maureen,
No I don’t have any film numbers for Ojo de Agua in Jalisco. I got the name the way you did from a birth or marriage record for one of my husband’s relatives who lived way back in the early 1800s and late 1700s in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. They had children baptized or they were married there, but it mentions in some records that they originated, meaning they had been born in Ojo de Agua, or Ayo del Chico (now Ayotlan), etc. I am just assuming the Ojo de Agua mentioned in the records of Jalisco that I was looking in was the one in Jalisco, but there are several places in Jalisco called Ojo de Agua, also many places with the same name in nearby Aguascalientes. They don’t make it easy. I would just try the civil records in the towns of Jalisco, especially for the late 1800s, since by then civil registration may have been required and those records may have survived the Revolution better than the church records, maybe. There are gaps in most films I have looked at. Goo
d luck –
—
Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origin of Catarina Jauregui
Dear Emilie:
Do you have any information on where I might find records for Ojo de Agua in Jalisco? Catarina would have been born between 1876 and 1877. The LDS has Oje de Agua for Chiapas, but nothing for Jalisco. I might try the Jalisco civil records for that time though. Any other leads would be wonderful. Thanks
Maureen
Dear Linda and Emilie,
I think there are more ponds in Mexico than there are in Northwest Indiana! I think the most likely Ojo de Agua is the one just south of Tepatitlan, but I could be wrong. I still have 5 more years to look at on the microfilm, so after the holiday I will be able to finish viewing the film and maybe it will give me more clues. Catarina’s brothers Vicente and Julian and her sisters Ambrosia and Trinidad were also in Valle de Guadalupe so much of the family had relocated to Valle de Guadalupe. Someone is bound to have a more descriptive baptism.
My mom is from England and her relatives from England and Australia refer to the Atlantic Ocean as the Big Pond. Now just think, hundreds of years from now, future generations are going to read some of those letters and will be trying to figure out what exactly was the Big Pond!
Dear Linda and Emilie,
I think there are more ponds in Mexico than there are in Northwest Indiana! I think the most likely Ojo de Agua is the one just south of Tepatitlan, but I could be wrong. I still have 5 more years to look at on the microfilm, so after the holiday I will be able to finish viewing the film and maybe it will give me more clues. Catarina’s brothers Vicente and Julian and her sisters Ambrosia and Trinidad were also in Valle de Guadalupe so much of the family had relocated to Valle de Guadalupe. Someone is bound to have a more descriptive baptism.
My mom is from England and her relatives from England and Australia refer to the Atlantic Ocean as the Big Pond. Now just think, hundreds of years from now, future generations are going to read some of those letters and will be trying to figure out what exactly was the Big Pond!
There is an Ojo de Agua in the Santa Maria de Los Angeles area of
Jalisco but not so sure it doesn’t show up in the Colotlan records. . .I
can’t remember which of these two it was that the actual records showed
up in.
joseph
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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
Maureen Bejar wrote:
> Dear Emilie:
> Do you have any information on where I might find records for Ojo de Agua in Jalisco? Catarina would have been born between 1876 and 1877. The LDS has Oje de Agua for Chiapas, but nothing for Jalisco. I might try the Jalisco civil records for that time though. Any other leads would be wonderful. Thanks
>
> Maureen
>
There is an Ojo de Agua in the Santa Maria de Los Angeles area of
Jalisco but not so sure it doesn’t show up in the Colotlan records. . .I
can’t remember which of these two it was that the actual records showed
up in.
joseph
===================
Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
Maureen Bejar wrote:
> Dear Emilie:
> Do you have any information on where I might find records for Ojo de Agua in Jalisco? Catarina would have been born between 1876 and 1877. The LDS has Oje de Agua for Chiapas, but nothing for Jalisco. I might try the Jalisco civil records for that time though. Any other leads would be wonderful. Thanks
>
> Maureen
>
Joseph,
That could be the one my husband’s ancestor was born in because many of his ancestors also hailed from a “Santa Maria” (near Encarnacion de Diaz?) and others from Colotlan, also Atotonilco, Ayo el Chico, Ayotlan, Lagos de Moreno and San Juan de Los Lagos.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA —
—– Original Message —–
From: Joseph Puentes
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origin of Catarina Jauregui
There is an Ojo de Agua in the Santa Maria de Los Angeles area of
Jalisco but not so sure it doesn’t show up in the Colotlan records. . .I
can’t remember which of these two it was that the actual records showed
up in.
joseph
===================
Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
Maureen Bejar wrote:
> Dear Emilie:
> Do you have any information on where I might find records for Ojo de Agua in Jalisco? Catarina would have been born between 1876 and 1877. The LDS has Oje de Agua for Chiapas, but nothing for Jalisco. I might try the Jalisco civil records for that time though. Any other leads would be wonderful. Thanks
>
> Maureen
>
Joseph,
That could be the one my husband’s ancestor was born in because many of his ancestors also hailed from a “Santa Maria” (near Encarnacion de Diaz?) and others from Colotlan, also Atotonilco, Ayo el Chico, Ayotlan, Lagos de Moreno and San Juan de Los Lagos.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA —
—– Original Message —–
From: Joseph Puentes
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origin of Catarina Jauregui
There is an Ojo de Agua in the Santa Maria de Los Angeles area of
Jalisco but not so sure it doesn’t show up in the Colotlan records. . .I
can’t remember which of these two it was that the actual records showed
up in.
joseph
===================
Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
Maureen Bejar wrote:
> Dear Emilie:
> Do you have any information on where I might find records for Ojo de Agua in Jalisco? Catarina would have been born between 1876 and 1877. The LDS has Oje de Agua for Chiapas, but nothing for Jalisco. I might try the Jalisco civil records for that time though. Any other leads would be wonderful. Thanks
>
> Maureen
>
In my opinion they weren’t written by the same person. Look at the first
documents for Jose de Jesus. Look at just the first three words: “En La
Yglesia” Notice that each of these words has no “tails” while the scribe
that wrote the record for Catarina insisted in using “tails” for almost
every word. Two different scribes.
but regardless of that is sure does look like Ojo de Agua. . .its just
funny that the same scribe who wrote the Catarina document used two
different styles of Capital “A’s” within the same document. It might be
worthwhile to pursue the Ojo de Agua theory since you do have an Ojo de
Agua close to San Juan de los Lagos like Irma said.
but next time you have a look at that film you could look on the same
page as you found the Catarina document and copy some of the documents
right next to your Catarina. A full two or three pages before and after.
Look for those “tails” and upload those pages I’d like to hunt for that
letter that I’m not convinced is an “A” but then you never know.
hmmm, the investigation continues. . .ultimately your opinion for your
research is the one that prevails.
joseph
===================
Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
Maureen Bejar wrote:
> Dear Joseph and Emilie:
> I think Emilie is correct that the place name is Ojo de Agua. I have placed another document written by the same person where the “a” is written the same. I have it in my folder in albums:
>
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15440
In my opinion they weren’t written by the same person. Look at the first
documents for Jose de Jesus. Look at just the first three words: “En La
Yglesia” Notice that each of these words has no “tails” while the scribe
that wrote the record for Catarina insisted in using “tails” for almost
every word. Two different scribes.
but regardless of that is sure does look like Ojo de Agua. . .its just
funny that the same scribe who wrote the Catarina document used two
different styles of Capital “A’s” within the same document. It might be
worthwhile to pursue the Ojo de Agua theory since you do have an Ojo de
Agua close to San Juan de los Lagos like Irma said.
but next time you have a look at that film you could look on the same
page as you found the Catarina document and copy some of the documents
right next to your Catarina. A full two or three pages before and after.
Look for those “tails” and upload those pages I’d like to hunt for that
letter that I’m not convinced is an “A” but then you never know.
hmmm, the investigation continues. . .ultimately your opinion for your
research is the one that prevails.
joseph
===================
Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
Maureen Bejar wrote:
> Dear Joseph and Emilie:
> I think Emilie is correct that the place name is Ojo de Agua. I have placed another document written by the same person where the “a” is written the same. I have it in my folder in albums:
>
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15440
