Thanks Bill for your words, well both of my Esparza lines are currently Francisco Esparsa (estimated birth 1828) and my other line is Matiana Esparsa (Est. birth 1832). My grandfather actually believes these two people are first cousins since all of our “families” would intermarry within our family and I too believe this.
Thanks Bill for your words, well both of my Esparza lines are currently Francisco Esparsa (estimated birth 1828) and my other line is Matiana Esparsa (Est. birth 1832). My grandfather actually believes these two people are first cousins since all of our “families” would intermarry within our family and I too believe this. Anything is possible. I mean they both came from the same place and same time and lived in the same place which is Huanusco in Zacatecas. In the same ranch. I mean what are the odds. I think they came from Calvillo in Ags. Or near Ags city. Francisco Esparsa married Maria de la Luz AVILA. And for Matiana, she married Pablo Vasquez; they are the parents of one the six original founders of Hacienda La Luz. (Long story short the Zacatecaian Gov’t gave money to Mariano Camino my 3rd grt grandfather to start up a Hacienda in Huanusco which he named La Hacienda de La Luz de Nuestra Senora Guadalupe (“La Luz”) for short. The founders are Mariano Camino, Ambrosio Garcia, Leandro Vasquez, Rumauldo Lizalde, Mateo Velasco and Estevan Lopez. I descend from all of these gentlemen. Everyone on that ranch descends from most of these men since they intermarried. Thanks Bill. Hope you can help me on my Esparza quest.
Daniel:
The descendants of Lope Ruiz de Esparza are well documented up to a certain point, as Bill mentioned. The records in Aguascalientes are pretty decent as well so if you could provide us with some more details about Francisco Esparza and Matiana Esparza (i.e. whom did they marry and approximately what year?) we can probably trace them back to one of the documented branches of the Ruiz de Esparza family.
Is this the same Matiana per chance? If so, you can order the film and find out who her parents were. There are too many Franciscos for me to list but as I said if you can help us with his spouse’s name we may be able to track him down too.
MATIANA ESPARZA
Spouse: PABLO VILLALOBOS
Marriage: 03 JUN 1865 San Jose, Calvillo, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Batch No.: M604355 Film No.: 0635888
Daniel:
The descendants of Lope Ruiz de Esparza are well documented up to a certain point, as Bill mentioned. The records in Aguascalientes are pretty decent as well so if you could provide us with some more details about Francisco Esparza and Matiana Esparza (i.e. whom did they marry and approximately what year?) we can probably trace them back to one of the documented branches of the Ruiz de Esparza family.
Is this the same Matiana per chance? If so, you can order the film and find out who her parents were. There are too many Franciscos for me to list but as I said if you can help us with his spouse’s name we may be able to track him down too.
MATIANA ESPARZA
Spouse: PABLO VILLALOBOS
Marriage: 03 JUN 1865 San Jose, Calvillo, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Batch No.: M604355 Film No.: 0635888
Daniel,
Both Francisco and Matiana Esparza were common names among the families of Aguascalientes and neighboring states. However, you already know that Francisco married María de la Luz Avila and Matiana married Pablo Vazquez, and that they moved to Huanusco in the mid-1800s. I have not looked for any ancestors in Huanusco, but if I had to, I would probably start by checking catholic church records for the period when my ancestors lived there. Who knows, maybe they were married, baptized their children or were buried in the area. You can order Registros parroquiales, 1747-1925 for the “Iglesia Católica. Santa María Mecatabasco (Villa del Refugio, Zacatecas)” through your local FHC. FamilySearch also lists “Registros parroquiales, 1914-1920 Iglesia Católica (Huanusco, Zacatecas)”. The more recent ones would probably not be much help to you. A word of caution: start from WHAT YOU KNOW and try to work your way back to previous generations, not the other way around. There have been literaly hundreds of Franciscos and Matianas Esparza throughout the centuries. Where did you find the information you have about Francisco and Matiana?
Bill
Daniel,
Both Francisco and Matiana Esparza were common names among the families of Aguascalientes and neighboring states. However, you already know that Francisco married María de la Luz Avila and Matiana married Pablo Vazquez, and that they moved to Huanusco in the mid-1800s. I have not looked for any ancestors in Huanusco, but if I had to, I would probably start by checking catholic church records for the period when my ancestors lived there. Who knows, maybe they were married, baptized their children or were buried in the area. You can order Registros parroquiales, 1747-1925 for the “Iglesia Católica. Santa María Mecatabasco (Villa del Refugio, Zacatecas)” through your local FHC. FamilySearch also lists “Registros parroquiales, 1914-1920 Iglesia Católica (Huanusco, Zacatecas)”. The more recent ones would probably not be much help to you. A word of caution: start from WHAT YOU KNOW and try to work your way back to previous generations, not the other way around. There have been literaly hundreds of Franciscos and Matianas Esparza throughout the centuries. Where did you find the information you have about Francisco and Matiana?
Bill
Daniel,
I found a Matiana Esparza that married Pablo Villalobos in Calvillo on 3 June 1865. Check Batch No. M604355 Source Call No. 0635888 Marriages 1854-1874 San Jose Calvillo Aguascalientes. This is the only Matiana Esparza I found in Calvillo in the mid-1800s. I have experienced many times that when last names are abbreviated or not clearly written in the manuscripts, they are sometimes incorrectly transcribed, so “Pablo Villalobos” may have been your “Pablo Vazquez”. Also, there could be an error in the church records. Fortunately, this marriage is in the same microfilm that has the record of Francisco Esparza and Maria de la Luz Avila’s marriage, so you can check them both at the same time.
Bill
Daniel,
I found a Matiana Esparza that married Pablo Villalobos in Calvillo on 3 June 1865. Check Batch No. M604355 Source Call No. 0635888 Marriages 1854-1874 San Jose Calvillo Aguascalientes. This is the only Matiana Esparza I found in Calvillo in the mid-1800s. I have experienced many times that when last names are abbreviated or not clearly written in the manuscripts, they are sometimes incorrectly transcribed, so “Pablo Villalobos” may have been your “Pablo Vazquez”. Also, there could be an error in the church records. Fortunately, this marriage is in the same microfilm that has the record of Francisco Esparza and Maria de la Luz Avila’s marriage, so you can check them both at the same time.
Bill
Maria de la Luz AVILA Calvillo had one sibling that I know of:
Luis Serapio AVILA Calvillo #299471
baptized 3 Sep 1838, El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Ags
hijo legitimo de Don Joaquin AVILA y doña Feliciana CALVILLO
Abuelos paternos: Don Antonio de AVILA y doña Ynes DIAS de TISCARENO
Abuelos maternos: Don Rodrigo CALVILLO y doña Ana LOPEZ PORTILLO
Madrina: Doña Mariana CALVILLO
p 215 (I don’t have a batch number, these are from my notes years ago when I read the film)
Don Joaquin AVILA had a sister:
Maria Gertrudis AVILA Dias-Tiscareno, c. 1775
A submission to the IGI gives her husband as:
Joseph Sotero CALBILLO Ximenes
hijo de Vicente CALVILLO y Maria Jeronima XIMENEZ Albarado
I have not checked this out.
A Sotero CALVILLO was the testigo to the marriage of:
Jose Maria MACIAS Calvillo to Anna Maria DIAS Medina, Jun 1791
Joseph Sotero CALBILLO and Maria Gertrudis AVILA were married in 1803, according to a submission to IGI.
They had at least 5 children that I know of, the first child I would recheck:
Joseph Eduardo, bap 15 Oct 1792, El Sagrario, Ags, Ags [from IGI]
Juan Jose Nepomuceno, born 2 Jan, bap 5 Jan 1802 – #299457
Jose Lorenzo Cesilio, born 01 Feb, bap 3 Feb 1803 – #299457
Padrinos: Don Jose Maria AVILA y doña M. Josefa AVILA
Maria del Rosario, about 1805
Jose Ygnacio, born 11 Jul, bap 15 Jul 1808 – #299457
About Matiana ESPARSA – I’ve got at least 5 of them in my database, all from the same area and time frame. Matiana was a very popular name back then.
Gloria
Maria de la Luz AVILA Calvillo had one sibling that I know of:
Luis Serapio AVILA Calvillo #299471
baptized 3 Sep 1838, El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Ags
hijo legitimo de Don Joaquin AVILA y doña Feliciana CALVILLO
Abuelos paternos: Don Antonio de AVILA y doña Ynes DIAS de TISCARENO
Abuelos maternos: Don Rodrigo CALVILLO y doña Ana LOPEZ PORTILLO
Madrina: Doña Mariana CALVILLO
p 215 (I don’t have a batch number, these are from my notes years ago when I read the film)
Don Joaquin AVILA had a sister:
Maria Gertrudis AVILA Dias-Tiscareno, c. 1775
A submission to the IGI gives her husband as:
Joseph Sotero CALBILLO Ximenes
hijo de Vicente CALVILLO y Maria Jeronima XIMENEZ Albarado
I have not checked this out.
A Sotero CALVILLO was the testigo to the marriage of:
Jose Maria MACIAS Calvillo to Anna Maria DIAS Medina, Jun 1791
Joseph Sotero CALBILLO and Maria Gertrudis AVILA were married in 1803, according to a submission to IGI.
They had at least 5 children that I know of, the first child I would recheck:
Joseph Eduardo, bap 15 Oct 1792, El Sagrario, Ags, Ags [from IGI]
Juan Jose Nepomuceno, born 2 Jan, bap 5 Jan 1802 – #299457
Jose Lorenzo Cesilio, born 01 Feb, bap 3 Feb 1803 – #299457
Padrinos: Don Jose Maria AVILA y doña M. Josefa AVILA
Maria del Rosario, about 1805
Jose Ygnacio, born 11 Jul, bap 15 Jul 1808 – #299457
About Matiana ESPARSA – I’ve got at least 5 of them in my database, all from the same area and time frame. Matiana was a very popular name back then.
Gloria
I found Francisco Esparza and Ma. Luz Avila on a death of one of there
daughters who I cant name right at the moment.
>From: “Bill Figueroa”
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ruiz de Esparsa
>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:20:57 -0600
>
>Daniel,
>
>Both Francisco and Matiana Esparza were common names among the families of
>Aguascalientes and neighboring states. However, you already know that
>Francisco married María de la Luz Avila and Matiana married Pablo Vazquez,
>and that they moved to Huanusco in the mid-1800s. I have not looked for
>any ancestors in Huanusco, but if I had to, I would probably start by
>checking catholic church records for the period when my ancestors lived
>there. Who knows, maybe they were married, baptized their children or were
>buried in the area. You can order Registros parroquiales, 1747-1925 for
>the “Iglesia Católica. Santa María Mecatabasco (Villa del Refugio,
>Zacatecas)” through your local FHC. FamilySearch also lists “Registros
>parroquiales, 1914-1920 Iglesia Católica (Huanusco, Zacatecas)”. The more
>recent ones would probably not be much help to you. A word of caution:
>start from WHAT YOU KNOW and try to work your way back to previous
>generations, not the other way around. There have been literaly hundreds
>of Franciscos and Matianas Esparza throughout the centuries. Where did you
>find the information you have about Francisco and Matiana?
>
>Bill
I found Francisco Esparza and Ma. Luz Avila on a death of one of there
daughters who I cant name right at the moment.
>From: “Bill Figueroa”
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ruiz de Esparsa
>Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 10:20:57 -0600
>
>Daniel,
>
>Both Francisco and Matiana Esparza were common names among the families of
>Aguascalientes and neighboring states. However, you already know that
>Francisco married María de la Luz Avila and Matiana married Pablo Vazquez,
>and that they moved to Huanusco in the mid-1800s. I have not looked for
>any ancestors in Huanusco, but if I had to, I would probably start by
>checking catholic church records for the period when my ancestors lived
>there. Who knows, maybe they were married, baptized their children or were
>buried in the area. You can order Registros parroquiales, 1747-1925 for
>the “Iglesia Católica. Santa María Mecatabasco (Villa del Refugio,
>Zacatecas)” through your local FHC. FamilySearch also lists “Registros
>parroquiales, 1914-1920 Iglesia Católica (Huanusco, Zacatecas)”. The more
>recent ones would probably not be much help to you. A word of caution:
>start from WHAT YOU KNOW and try to work your way back to previous
>generations, not the other way around. There have been literaly hundreds
>of Franciscos and Matianas Esparza throughout the centuries. Where did you
>find the information you have about Francisco and Matiana?
>
>Bill
Arturo,
I’ve been wondering about this surname Ruiz de Esparza. There are so many Ruiz and so many Esparza in Aguascalientes, but few have kept the whole name Ruiz de Esparza to the present. Did some drop the Ruiz and kept Esparza or was Esparza a separate line? I have traced one of my husband’s lines to a Hacienda de Santiago and Hacienda de Morcenique as far back as his gggggg grandparents Maria Cecilia de Esparza who married a Francisco Duron, son of Felis Antonio Duron and Michaela de Avalos Villasenor, in Aguascalientes (Ciudad) on 4 OCT 1745. They lived in Hacienda de Santiago at the time. Their children were born in Morcenique. Francisco Duron was from “Asientos”. Maria Cecilia’s parents were listed as Miguel de Esparsa and Efigenia de Cordoba. They must have been born around the late 1600s. Could this Miguel de Esparza be traced back to one of the documented branches of the Ruiz de Esparza?
Thanks,
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA —
—– Original Message —–
From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 7:04 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ruiz de Esparza in Aguascalientes
Daniel:
The descendants of Lope Ruiz de Esparza are well documented up to a certain point, as Bill mentioned. The records in Aguascalientes are pretty decent as well so if you could provide us with some more details about Francisco Esparza and Matiana Esparza (i.e. whom did they marry and approximately what year?) we can probably trace them back to one of the documented branches of the Ruiz de Esparza family.
Is this the same Matiana per chance? If so, you can order the film and find out who her parents were. There are too many Franciscos for me to list but as I said if you can help us with his spouse’s name we may be able to track him down too.
MATIANA ESPARZA
Spouse: PABLO VILLALOBOS
Marriage: 03 JUN 1865 San Jose, Calvillo, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Batch No.: M604355 Film No.: 0635888
Arturo,
I’ve been wondering about this surname Ruiz de Esparza. There are so many Ruiz and so many Esparza in Aguascalientes, but few have kept the whole name Ruiz de Esparza to the present. Did some drop the Ruiz and kept Esparza or was Esparza a separate line? I have traced one of my husband’s lines to a Hacienda de Santiago and Hacienda de Morcenique as far back as his gggggg grandparents Maria Cecilia de Esparza who married a Francisco Duron, son of Felis Antonio Duron and Michaela de Avalos Villasenor, in Aguascalientes (Ciudad) on 4 OCT 1745. They lived in Hacienda de Santiago at the time. Their children were born in Morcenique. Francisco Duron was from “Asientos”. Maria Cecilia’s parents were listed as Miguel de Esparsa and Efigenia de Cordoba. They must have been born around the late 1600s. Could this Miguel de Esparza be traced back to one of the documented branches of the Ruiz de Esparza?
Thanks,
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA —
—– Original Message —–
From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 7:04 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ruiz de Esparza in Aguascalientes
Daniel:
The descendants of Lope Ruiz de Esparza are well documented up to a certain point, as Bill mentioned. The records in Aguascalientes are pretty decent as well so if you could provide us with some more details about Francisco Esparza and Matiana Esparza (i.e. whom did they marry and approximately what year?) we can probably trace them back to one of the documented branches of the Ruiz de Esparza family.
Is this the same Matiana per chance? If so, you can order the film and find out who her parents were. There are too many Franciscos for me to list but as I said if you can help us with his spouse’s name we may be able to track him down too.
MATIANA ESPARZA
Spouse: PABLO VILLALOBOS
Marriage: 03 JUN 1865 San Jose, Calvillo, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Batch No.: M604355 Film No.: 0635888
Emilie:
Composed surnames were quite common in the early centuries of Mexican colonial history… I know in my area there were the Carlos de Godoy, the Valdes y Llanos, the Ortiz de San Pedro, Lopes de Talamantes, etc. Over time people began shortening the names so some ended up simply Carlos, others Godoy, others Valdes, etc.
I read somewhere that at the time of independence there was a lot of Hispanophobia in Mexico and many gachupines were expelled or killed. Many of the families with composed names like these dropped part of their name at the time because they felt it linked them to strongly to Spain and kept more simple “Mexican” sounding names.
I don’t know how true this is since I have seen the name dropping occurring way before independece. Maybe the priests just didn’t want to waste ink! 🙂
I would say there is a decent chance that the Esparza you are writing about might be a descendant of Lope Ruiz de Esparza. It is also important to note that indigenous people and africans had the habit of taking the surnames of their masters or encomenderos, etc. so some of the very common names are due to the original Spanish ancestor having been ery wealthy and having many people name themselves after him.
I also know that around Jerez a lot of the local indigenous people took the name Caldera (including a couple of Guachichil chiefs) in honor of Miguel Caldera because they revered him so much for ringing peace to the region and because he himself was a Guachichil mestizo serving in the Spanish army which they must have been somewhat proud of in a twisted kind of way.
Emilie:
Composed surnames were quite common in the early centuries of Mexican colonial history… I know in my area there were the Carlos de Godoy, the Valdes y Llanos, the Ortiz de San Pedro, Lopes de Talamantes, etc. Over time people began shortening the names so some ended up simply Carlos, others Godoy, others Valdes, etc.
I read somewhere that at the time of independence there was a lot of Hispanophobia in Mexico and many gachupines were expelled or killed. Many of the families with composed names like these dropped part of their name at the time because they felt it linked them to strongly to Spain and kept more simple “Mexican” sounding names.
I don’t know how true this is since I have seen the name dropping occurring way before independece. Maybe the priests just didn’t want to waste ink! 🙂
I would say there is a decent chance that the Esparza you are writing about might be a descendant of Lope Ruiz de Esparza. It is also important to note that indigenous people and africans had the habit of taking the surnames of their masters or encomenderos, etc. so some of the very common names are due to the original Spanish ancestor having been ery wealthy and having many people name themselves after him.
I also know that around Jerez a lot of the local indigenous people took the name Caldera (including a couple of Guachichil chiefs) in honor of Miguel Caldera because they revered him so much for ringing peace to the region and because he himself was a Guachichil mestizo serving in the Spanish army which they must have been somewhat proud of in a twisted kind of way.
