Take this as an opinion and preferance: I would like to have access to the gedcoms and family reports of those members that have to be axed from the group; so for me people go and reports have to stay as long as the group deserve to have those reports in the files section, because it is data, that in some cases “fell as gift from heaven”, maybe it should be a explicit rule when someone subscribe.

Most of the time I don´t participate because not many share my genes, so I expect not to be axed. In fact nobody in the group share family members nor places, as long as I know, but instead I enjoy so much the sense that I belong in a group that share the same pasion. It is my refuge to look for mail mostly when there are so many adobe walls to brake or to pray at.

Hope it is a strong rason for not to be expelled.

Thanks for your kindness and help in advance.

Joseph Puentes escribió:

hi,

first my apologies for posting this to the “research” list but I did it
since that is the group with the highest number of subscribed members.

I’m overwhelmed. I thought that moving from Yahoo to the new site would
be better and so far it is vastly better and the site is a beautiful
creation of Arturo Ramos the webmaster. Thanks Arturo!

. . .but it one way, a critical way, it is way to much better. I thought
that the amount of work would stay about the same or even less with the
new sites functionality and added features. Some how the new site is
attracting new members to the group in a way that is very much superior
to the yahoo group and that is making my job one that can’t continue the
way it is going. I’ve got a lot of other things going on
( http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com and http://H2Opodcast.com) and adding
new projects as well and the work for the Nuestros Ranchos site needs to
be trimmed for me to continue as the originating Moderator of the group.

For those reasons I’m thinking to make group membership available only
to persons that:

1) have their representative genealogies in hand and will send them in
as part of being accepted into the group.

or

2) if they are a brand new researcher and have nothing to submit. A
brief written report stating the oral history or other reasons why they
believe they are tied to the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes.

or

3) They request a special exemption that will need to considered on a
case by case basis.

What do you as the membership think about this?

joseph

=========================================

pardon esta traducción terrible pero aquí es los pescados de Babel
( http://babelfish.altavista.com/):

hola,

primero mis apologías por fijar esto la lista pero a mí de la
“investigación” la hicieron desde entonces que es el grupo con el número
más alto de miembros suscritos.

Me abruman. Pensé que la mudanza desde Yahoo al sitio nuevo estaría
mejor y es hasta ahora sumamente mejor y el sitio es una creación
hermosa de Arturo Ramos el webmaster. ¡Gracias Arturo!

. . but una forma, una manera crítica, él es manera a mucho mejor.
Pensé que la cantidad de trabajo permanecería casi igual o aún menos con
la nueva funcionalidad de los sitios y las características agregadas.
Vaya algo cómo el sitio nuevo está atrayendo a nuevos miembros al grupo
de una manera que sea mucho superior al grupo del yahoo y que está
haciendo mi trabajo uno que no pueda continuar la manera él. Tengo
muchos de otras cosas que van encendido ( http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com
y http://H2Opodcast.com) y la adición de los nuevos proyectos también y
del trabajo para el sitio de los ranchos de Nuestros necesita ser
ajustada para que continúe como el asesor el originar del grupo. Por
esas razones estoy pensando para poner calidad de miembro de grupo a
disposición solamente las personas eso:

1) tiene sus genealogías representativas a disposición y las enviará
adentro como parte de ser aceptado en el grupo.

o

2) si son investigador nuevos y no tienen nada someter. Un breve informe
escrito que indica la historia oral u otras razones por las que los
creen se ata a los estados de Jalisco, de Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes.

o

3) solicitan una exención especial que necesite considerado caso por caso.

¿Qué usted como la calidad de miembro piensa de esto?

joseph

Take this as an opinion and preferance: I would like to have access to the gedcoms and family reports of those members that have to be axed from the group; so for me people go and reports have to stay as long as the group deserve to have those reports in the files section, because it is data, that in some cases “fell as gift from heaven”, maybe it should be a explicit rule when someone subscribe.

Most of the time I don´t participate because not many share my genes, so I expect not to be axed. In fact nobody in the group share family members nor places, as long as I know, but instead I enjoy so much the sense that I belong in a group that share the same pasion. It is my refuge to look for mail mostly when there are so many adobe walls to brake or to pray at.

Hope it is a strong rason for not to be expelled.

Thanks for your kindness and help in advance.

Joseph Puentes escribió:

hi,

first my apologies for posting this to the “research” list but I did it
since that is the group with the highest number of subscribed members.

I’m overwhelmed. I thought that moving from Yahoo to the new site would
be better and so far it is vastly better and the site is a beautiful
creation of Arturo Ramos the webmaster. Thanks Arturo!

. . .but it one way, a critical way, it is way to much better. I thought
that the amount of work would stay about the same or even less with the
new sites functionality and added features. Some how the new site is
attracting new members to the group in a way that is very much superior
to the yahoo group and that is making my job one that can’t continue the
way it is going. I’ve got a lot of other things going on
( http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com and http://H2Opodcast.com) and adding
new projects as well and the work for the Nuestros Ranchos site needs to
be trimmed for me to continue as the originating Moderator of the group.

For those reasons I’m thinking to make group membership available only
to persons that:

1) have their representative genealogies in hand and will send them in
as part of being accepted into the group.

or

2) if they are a brand new researcher and have nothing to submit. A
brief written report stating the oral history or other reasons why they
believe they are tied to the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes.

or

3) They request a special exemption that will need to considered on a
case by case basis.

What do you as the membership think about this?

joseph

=========================================

pardon esta traducción terrible pero aquí es los pescados de Babel
( http://babelfish.altavista.com/):

hola,

primero mis apologías por fijar esto la lista pero a mí de la
“investigación” la hicieron desde entonces que es el grupo con el número
más alto de miembros suscritos.

Me abruman. Pensé que la mudanza desde Yahoo al sitio nuevo estaría
mejor y es hasta ahora sumamente mejor y el sitio es una creación
hermosa de Arturo Ramos el webmaster. ¡Gracias Arturo!

. . but una forma, una manera crítica, él es manera a mucho mejor.
Pensé que la cantidad de trabajo permanecería casi igual o aún menos con
la nueva funcionalidad de los sitios y las características agregadas.
Vaya algo cómo el sitio nuevo está atrayendo a nuevos miembros al grupo
de una manera que sea mucho superior al grupo del yahoo y que está
haciendo mi trabajo uno que no pueda continuar la manera él. Tengo
muchos de otras cosas que van encendido ( http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com
y http://H2Opodcast.com) y la adición de los nuevos proyectos también y
del trabajo para el sitio de los ranchos de Nuestros necesita ser
ajustada para que continúe como el asesor el originar del grupo. Por
esas razones estoy pensando para poner calidad de miembro de grupo a
disposición solamente las personas eso:

1) tiene sus genealogías representativas a disposición y las enviará
adentro como parte de ser aceptado en el grupo.

o

2) si son investigador nuevos y no tienen nada someter. Un breve informe
escrito que indica la historia oral u otras razones por las que los
creen se ata a los estados de Jalisco, de Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes.

o

3) solicitan una exención especial que necesite considerado caso por caso.

¿Qué usted como la calidad de miembro piensa de esto?

joseph

Joseph – Marionicia found the perfect words to say how I feel also.
Thank you to Marionicia…………

Joseph – Marionicia found the perfect words to say how I feel also.
Thank you to Marionicia…………

Sorry, but a person’s genealogy work is their copyright protected work.
I can’t make any kind of rule saying that even if they choose to leave
their work needs to stay behind. If people choose to leave and they
decide on their own to leave their files then that is their choice, but
I can’t force that decision.

In the recent case of the member who chose to be unsubscribed he never
submitted a genealogy so there was none to be left behind.

Also there is a misunderstanding. The people that “Have To” be
unsubscribed from will not be voluntarily requesting to be unsubscribed.
If I “Have To” unsubscribe someone it will be because they “agreed” in
writing to satisfy two requirements and they failed to comply with one
or both of the requirements, in most cases the only one I can prove,
“Not sending in a representative example of their genealogy from our
target research area.” Once a person does that even if it is only a
paragraph or two written in an email with a generation or two with some
dates and places in our research area they have met the requirement “for
life.” I will never be coming around asking for more and more and more.
[note: yes from time to time I might suggest that people update their
information as they progress, but I’ll never make it mandatory to remain
a member of the group].

Yes a simple paragraph or two in an email is enough to “SECURE” a
life-time membership in the group.

joseph

Leticia Leon wrote:

>Take this as an opinion and preferance: I would like to have access to the gedcoms and family reports of those members that have to be axed from the group; so for me people go and reports have to stay as long as the group deserve to have those reports in the files section, because it is data, that in some cases “fell as gift from heaven”, maybe it should be a explicit rule when someone subscribe.
>
> Most of the time I don´t participate because not many share my genes, so I expect not to be axed. In fact nobody in the group share family members nor places, as long as I know, but instead I enjoy so much the sense that I belong in a group that share the same pasion. It is my refuge to look for mail mostly when there are so many adobe walls to brake or to pray at.
>
> Hope it is a strong rason for not to be expelled.
>
> Thanks for your kindness and help in advance.
>
>
>Joseph Puentes escribió:
>
>hi,
>
>first my apologies for posting this to the “research” list but I did it
>since that is the group with the highest number of subscribed members.
>
>I’m overwhelmed. I thought that moving from Yahoo to the new site would
>be better and so far it is vastly better and the site is a beautiful
>creation of Arturo Ramos the webmaster. Thanks Arturo!
>
>. . .but it one way, a critical way, it is way to much better. I thought
>that the amount of work would stay about the same or even less with the
>new sites functionality and added features. Some how the new site is
>attracting new members to the group in a way that is very much superior
>to the yahoo group and that is making my job one that can’t continue the
>way it is going. I’ve got a lot of other things going on
>( http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com and http://H2Opodcast.com) and adding
>new projects as well and the work for the Nuestros Ranchos site needs to
>be trimmed for me to continue as the originating Moderator of the group.
>
>For those reasons I’m thinking to make group membership available only
>to persons that:
>
>1) have their representative genealogies in hand and will send them in
>as part of being accepted into the group.
>
>or
>
>2) if they are a brand new researcher and have nothing to submit. A
>brief written report stating the oral history or other reasons why they
>believe they are tied to the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
>Aguascalientes.
>
>or
>
>3) They request a special exemption that will need to considered on a
>case by case basis.
>
>
>What do you as the membership think about this?
>
>joseph
>
>=========================================
>
>pardon esta traducción terrible pero aquí es los pescados de Babel
>( http://babelfish.altavista.com/):
>
>hola,
>
>primero mis apologías por fijar esto la lista pero a mí de la
>”investigación” la hicieron desde entonces que es el grupo con el número
>más alto de miembros suscritos.
>
>Me abruman. Pensé que la mudanza desde Yahoo al sitio nuevo estaría
>mejor y es hasta ahora sumamente mejor y el sitio es una creación
>hermosa de Arturo Ramos el webmaster. ¡Gracias Arturo!
>
>. . but una forma, una manera crítica, él es manera a mucho mejor.
>Pensé que la cantidad de trabajo permanecería casi igual o aún menos con
>la nueva funcionalidad de los sitios y las características agregadas.
>Vaya algo cómo el sitio nuevo está atrayendo a nuevos miembros al grupo
>de una manera que sea mucho superior al grupo del yahoo y que está
>haciendo mi trabajo uno que no pueda continuar la manera él. Tengo
>muchos de otras cosas que van encendido ( http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com
>y http://H2Opodcast.com) y la adición de los nuevos proyectos también y
>del trabajo para el sitio de los ranchos de Nuestros necesita ser
>ajustada para que continúe como el asesor el originar del grupo. Por
>esas razones estoy pensando para poner calidad de miembro de grupo a
>disposición solamente las personas eso:
>
>1) tiene sus genealogías representativas a disposición y las enviará
>adentro como parte de ser aceptado en el grupo.
>
>o
>
>2) si son investigador nuevos y no tienen nada someter. Un breve informe
>escrito que indica la historia oral u otras razones por las que los
>creen se ata a los estados de Jalisco, de Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes.
>
>o
>
>3) solicitan una exención especial que necesite considerado caso por caso.
>
>¿Qué usted como la calidad de miembro piensa de esto?
>
>joseph
>
>
>

Sorry, but a person’s genealogy work is their copyright protected work.
I can’t make any kind of rule saying that even if they choose to leave
their work needs to stay behind. If people choose to leave and they
decide on their own to leave their files then that is their choice, but
I can’t force that decision.

In the recent case of the member who chose to be unsubscribed he never
submitted a genealogy so there was none to be left behind.

Also there is a misunderstanding. The people that “Have To” be
unsubscribed from will not be voluntarily requesting to be unsubscribed.
If I “Have To” unsubscribe someone it will be because they “agreed” in
writing to satisfy two requirements and they failed to comply with one
or both of the requirements, in most cases the only one I can prove,
“Not sending in a representative example of their genealogy from our
target research area.” Once a person does that even if it is only a
paragraph or two written in an email with a generation or two with some
dates and places in our research area they have met the requirement “for
life.” I will never be coming around asking for more and more and more.
[note: yes from time to time I might suggest that people update their
information as they progress, but I’ll never make it mandatory to remain
a member of the group].

Yes a simple paragraph or two in an email is enough to “SECURE” a
life-time membership in the group.

joseph

Leticia Leon wrote:

>Take this as an opinion and preferance: I would like to have access to the gedcoms and family reports of those members that have to be axed from the group; so for me people go and reports have to stay as long as the group deserve to have those reports in the files section, because it is data, that in some cases “fell as gift from heaven”, maybe it should be a explicit rule when someone subscribe.
>
> Most of the time I don´t participate because not many share my genes, so I expect not to be axed. In fact nobody in the group share family members nor places, as long as I know, but instead I enjoy so much the sense that I belong in a group that share the same pasion. It is my refuge to look for mail mostly when there are so many adobe walls to brake or to pray at.
>
> Hope it is a strong rason for not to be expelled.
>
> Thanks for your kindness and help in advance.
>
>
>Joseph Puentes escribió:
>
>hi,
>
>first my apologies for posting this to the “research” list but I did it
>since that is the group with the highest number of subscribed members.
>
>I’m overwhelmed. I thought that moving from Yahoo to the new site would
>be better and so far it is vastly better and the site is a beautiful
>creation of Arturo Ramos the webmaster. Thanks Arturo!
>
>. . .but it one way, a critical way, it is way to much better. I thought
>that the amount of work would stay about the same or even less with the
>new sites functionality and added features. Some how the new site is
>attracting new members to the group in a way that is very much superior
>to the yahoo group and that is making my job one that can’t continue the
>way it is going. I’ve got a lot of other things going on
>( http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com and http://H2Opodcast.com) and adding
>new projects as well and the work for the Nuestros Ranchos site needs to
>be trimmed for me to continue as the originating Moderator of the group.
>
>For those reasons I’m thinking to make group membership available only
>to persons that:
>
>1) have their representative genealogies in hand and will send them in
>as part of being accepted into the group.
>
>or
>
>2) if they are a brand new researcher and have nothing to submit. A
>brief written report stating the oral history or other reasons why they
>believe they are tied to the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
>Aguascalientes.
>
>or
>
>3) They request a special exemption that will need to considered on a
>case by case basis.
>
>
>What do you as the membership think about this?
>
>joseph
>
>=========================================
>
>pardon esta traducción terrible pero aquí es los pescados de Babel
>( http://babelfish.altavista.com/):
>
>hola,
>
>primero mis apologías por fijar esto la lista pero a mí de la
>”investigación” la hicieron desde entonces que es el grupo con el número
>más alto de miembros suscritos.
>
>Me abruman. Pensé que la mudanza desde Yahoo al sitio nuevo estaría
>mejor y es hasta ahora sumamente mejor y el sitio es una creación
>hermosa de Arturo Ramos el webmaster. ¡Gracias Arturo!
>
>. . but una forma, una manera crítica, él es manera a mucho mejor.
>Pensé que la cantidad de trabajo permanecería casi igual o aún menos con
>la nueva funcionalidad de los sitios y las características agregadas.
>Vaya algo cómo el sitio nuevo está atrayendo a nuevos miembros al grupo
>de una manera que sea mucho superior al grupo del yahoo y que está
>haciendo mi trabajo uno que no pueda continuar la manera él. Tengo
>muchos de otras cosas que van encendido ( http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com
>y http://H2Opodcast.com) y la adición de los nuevos proyectos también y
>del trabajo para el sitio de los ranchos de Nuestros necesita ser
>ajustada para que continúe como el asesor el originar del grupo. Por
>esas razones estoy pensando para poner calidad de miembro de grupo a
>disposición solamente las personas eso:
>
>1) tiene sus genealogías representativas a disposición y las enviará
>adentro como parte de ser aceptado en el grupo.
>
>o
>
>2) si son investigador nuevos y no tienen nada someter. Un breve informe
>escrito que indica la historia oral u otras razones por las que los
>creen se ata a los estados de Jalisco, de Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes.
>
>o
>
>3) solicitan una exención especial que necesite considerado caso por caso.
>
>¿Qué usted como la calidad de miembro piensa de esto?
>
>joseph
>
>
>

Thank you Joseph, I understood clearly now.

Joseph Puentes escribió:
Sorry, but a person’s genealogy work is their copyright protected work.

———————————
Do You Yahoo!? La mejor conexión a Internet y 2GB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx

Thank you Joseph, I understood clearly now.

Joseph Puentes escribió:
Sorry, but a person’s genealogy work is their copyright protected work.

———————————
Do You Yahoo!? La mejor conexión a Internet y 2GB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx

I haven’t submitted anything yet since I really haven’t had time to do any
research. All I still know if what I submitted when I first subscribed.
Sounds bad but I have a 2 year old, full time job and in about a month will
have another baby so as much as I want to I can’t seem to find the time to
dedicate to research. I subscribed hoping to be able to add my information
and be able to learn from others searching for ancestors in the same area. I
have learned a lot just from reading the posts of members of the group and
hope that I will not get the axe. I promise to submit info as soon as I find
the time to do a little research. I thank you for your patience with those
of us that rarely enter into group conversation-and provide really no
information on our “antepasados” although I can say for myself I enjoy
learning from all of you.

Thanks- Jessica Castaneda
—– Original Message —–
From: “Joseph Puentes”
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Seriously Considering a Policy
Change/Seriamente en vista de un cambio policial

Sorry, but a person’s genealogy work is their copyright protected work.
I can’t make any kind of rule saying that even if they choose to leave
their work needs to stay behind. If people choose to leave and they
decide on their own to leave their files then that is their choice, but
I can’t force that decision.

In the recent case of the member who chose to be unsubscribed he never
submitted a genealogy so there was none to be left behind.

Also there is a misunderstanding. The people that “Have To” be
unsubscribed from will not be voluntarily requesting to be unsubscribed.
If I “Have To” unsubscribe someone it will be because they “agreed” in
writing to satisfy two requirements and they failed to comply with one
or both of the requirements, in most cases the only one I can prove,
“Not sending in a representative example of their genealogy from our
target research area.” Once a person does that even if it is only a
paragraph or two written in an email with a generation or two with some
dates and places in our research area they have met the requirement “for
life.” I will never be coming around asking for more and more and more.
[note: yes from time to time I might suggest that people update their
information as they progress, but I’ll never make it mandatory to remain
a member of the group].

Yes a simple paragraph or two in an email is enough to “SECURE” a
life-time membership in the group.

joseph

Leticia Leon wrote:

>Take this as an opinion and preferance: I would like to have access to the
>gedcoms and family reports of those members that have to be axed from the
>group; so for me people go and reports have to stay as long as the group
>deserve to have those reports in the files section, because it is data,
>that in some cases “fell as gift from heaven”, maybe it should be a
>explicit rule when someone subscribe.
>
> Most of the time I don´t participate because not many share my genes, so
> I expect not to be axed. In fact nobody in the group share family members
> nor places, as long as I know, but instead I enjoy so much the sense that
> I belong in a group that share the same pasion. It is my refuge to look
> for mail mostly when there are so many adobe walls to brake or to pray at.
>
> Hope it is a strong rason for not to be expelled.
>
> Thanks for your kindness and help in advance.
>
>
>Joseph Puentes escribió:
>
>hi,
>
>first my apologies for posting this to the “research” list but I did it
>since that is the group with the highest number of subscribed members.
>
>I’m overwhelmed. I thought that moving from Yahoo to the new site would
>be better and so far it is vastly better and the site is a beautiful
>creation of Arturo Ramos the webmaster. Thanks Arturo!
>
>. . .but it one way, a critical way, it is way to much better. I thought
>that the amount of work would stay about the same or even less with the
>new sites functionality and added features. Some how the new site is
>attracting new members to the group in a way that is very much superior
>to the yahoo group and that is making my job one that can’t continue the
>way it is going. I’ve got a lot of other things going on
>( http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com and http://H2Opodcast.com) and adding
>new projects as well and the work for the Nuestros Ranchos site needs to
>be trimmed for me to continue as the originating Moderator of the group.
>
>For those reasons I’m thinking to make group membership available only
>to persons that:
>
>1) have their representative genealogies in hand and will send them in
>as part of being accepted into the group.
>
>or
>
>2) if they are a brand new researcher and have nothing to submit. A
>brief written report stating the oral history or other reasons why they
>believe they are tied to the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
>Aguascalientes.
>
>or
>
>3) They request a special exemption that will need to considered on a
>case by case basis.
>
>
>What do you as the membership think about this?
>
>joseph
>
>=========================================
>
>pardon esta traducción terrible pero aquí es los pescados de Babel
>( http://babelfish.altavista.com/):
>
>hola,
>
>primero mis apologías por fijar esto la lista pero a mí de la
>”investigación” la hicieron desde entonces que es el grupo con el número
>más alto de miembros suscritos.
>
>Me abruman. Pensé que la mudanza desde Yahoo al sitio nuevo estaría
>mejor y es hasta ahora sumamente mejor y el sitio es una creación
>hermosa de Arturo Ramos el webmaster. ¡Gracias Arturo!
>
>. . but una forma, una manera crítica, él es manera a mucho mejor.
>Pensé que la cantidad de trabajo permanecería casi igual o aún menos con
>la nueva funcionalidad de los sitios y las características agregadas.
>Vaya algo cómo el sitio nuevo está atrayendo a nuevos miembros al grupo
>de una manera que sea mucho superior al grupo del yahoo y que está
>haciendo mi trabajo uno que no pueda continuar la manera él. Tengo
>muchos de otras cosas que van encendido ( http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com
>y http://H2Opodcast.com) y la adición de los nuevos proyectos también y
>del trabajo para el sitio de los ranchos de Nuestros necesita ser
>ajustada para que continúe como el asesor el originar del grupo. Por
>esas razones estoy pensando para poner calidad de miembro de grupo a
>disposición solamente las personas eso:
>
>1) tiene sus genealogías representativas a disposición y las enviará
>adentro como parte de ser aceptado en el grupo.
>
>o
>
>2) si son investigador nuevos y no tienen nada someter. Un breve informe
>escrito que indica la historia oral u otras razones por las que los
>creen se ata a los estados de Jalisco, de Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes.
>
>o
>
>3) solicitan una exención especial que necesite considerado caso por caso.
>
>¿Qué usted como la calidad de miembro piensa de esto?
>
>joseph
>
>
>

I haven’t submitted anything yet since I really haven’t had time to do any
research. All I still know if what I submitted when I first subscribed.
Sounds bad but I have a 2 year old, full time job and in about a month will
have another baby so as much as I want to I can’t seem to find the time to
dedicate to research. I subscribed hoping to be able to add my information
and be able to learn from others searching for ancestors in the same area. I
have learned a lot just from reading the posts of members of the group and
hope that I will not get the axe. I promise to submit info as soon as I find
the time to do a little research. I thank you for your patience with those
of us that rarely enter into group conversation-and provide really no
information on our “antepasados” although I can say for myself I enjoy
learning from all of you.

Thanks- Jessica Castaneda
—– Original Message —–
From: “Joseph Puentes”
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Seriously Considering a Policy
Change/Seriamente en vista de un cambio policial

Sorry, but a person’s genealogy work is their copyright protected work.
I can’t make any kind of rule saying that even if they choose to leave
their work needs to stay behind. If people choose to leave and they
decide on their own to leave their files then that is their choice, but
I can’t force that decision.

In the recent case of the member who chose to be unsubscribed he never
submitted a genealogy so there was none to be left behind.

Also there is a misunderstanding. The people that “Have To” be
unsubscribed from will not be voluntarily requesting to be unsubscribed.
If I “Have To” unsubscribe someone it will be because they “agreed” in
writing to satisfy two requirements and they failed to comply with one
or both of the requirements, in most cases the only one I can prove,
“Not sending in a representative example of their genealogy from our
target research area.” Once a person does that even if it is only a
paragraph or two written in an email with a generation or two with some
dates and places in our research area they have met the requirement “for
life.” I will never be coming around asking for more and more and more.
[note: yes from time to time I might suggest that people update their
information as they progress, but I’ll never make it mandatory to remain
a member of the group].

Yes a simple paragraph or two in an email is enough to “SECURE” a
life-time membership in the group.

joseph

Leticia Leon wrote:

>Take this as an opinion and preferance: I would like to have access to the
>gedcoms and family reports of those members that have to be axed from the
>group; so for me people go and reports have to stay as long as the group
>deserve to have those reports in the files section, because it is data,
>that in some cases “fell as gift from heaven”, maybe it should be a
>explicit rule when someone subscribe.
>
> Most of the time I don´t participate because not many share my genes, so
> I expect not to be axed. In fact nobody in the group share family members
> nor places, as long as I know, but instead I enjoy so much the sense that
> I belong in a group that share the same pasion. It is my refuge to look
> for mail mostly when there are so many adobe walls to brake or to pray at.
>
> Hope it is a strong rason for not to be expelled.
>
> Thanks for your kindness and help in advance.
>
>
>Joseph Puentes escribió:
>
>hi,
>
>first my apologies for posting this to the “research” list but I did it
>since that is the group with the highest number of subscribed members.
>
>I’m overwhelmed. I thought that moving from Yahoo to the new site would
>be better and so far it is vastly better and the site is a beautiful
>creation of Arturo Ramos the webmaster. Thanks Arturo!
>
>. . .but it one way, a critical way, it is way to much better. I thought
>that the amount of work would stay about the same or even less with the
>new sites functionality and added features. Some how the new site is
>attracting new members to the group in a way that is very much superior
>to the yahoo group and that is making my job one that can’t continue the
>way it is going. I’ve got a lot of other things going on
>( http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com and http://H2Opodcast.com) and adding
>new projects as well and the work for the Nuestros Ranchos site needs to
>be trimmed for me to continue as the originating Moderator of the group.
>
>For those reasons I’m thinking to make group membership available only
>to persons that:
>
>1) have their representative genealogies in hand and will send them in
>as part of being accepted into the group.
>
>or
>
>2) if they are a brand new researcher and have nothing to submit. A
>brief written report stating the oral history or other reasons why they
>believe they are tied to the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
>Aguascalientes.
>
>or
>
>3) They request a special exemption that will need to considered on a
>case by case basis.
>
>
>What do you as the membership think about this?
>
>joseph
>
>=========================================
>
>pardon esta traducción terrible pero aquí es los pescados de Babel
>( http://babelfish.altavista.com/):
>
>hola,
>
>primero mis apologías por fijar esto la lista pero a mí de la
>”investigación” la hicieron desde entonces que es el grupo con el número
>más alto de miembros suscritos.
>
>Me abruman. Pensé que la mudanza desde Yahoo al sitio nuevo estaría
>mejor y es hasta ahora sumamente mejor y el sitio es una creación
>hermosa de Arturo Ramos el webmaster. ¡Gracias Arturo!
>
>. . but una forma, una manera crítica, él es manera a mucho mejor.
>Pensé que la cantidad de trabajo permanecería casi igual o aún menos con
>la nueva funcionalidad de los sitios y las características agregadas.
>Vaya algo cómo el sitio nuevo está atrayendo a nuevos miembros al grupo
>de una manera que sea mucho superior al grupo del yahoo y que está
>haciendo mi trabajo uno que no pueda continuar la manera él. Tengo
>muchos de otras cosas que van encendido ( http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com
>y http://H2Opodcast.com) y la adición de los nuevos proyectos también y
>del trabajo para el sitio de los ranchos de Nuestros necesita ser
>ajustada para que continúe como el asesor el originar del grupo. Por
>esas razones estoy pensando para poner calidad de miembro de grupo a
>disposición solamente las personas eso:
>
>1) tiene sus genealogías representativas a disposición y las enviará
>adentro como parte de ser aceptado en el grupo.
>
>o
>
>2) si son investigador nuevos y no tienen nada someter. Un breve informe
>escrito que indica la historia oral u otras razones por las que los
>creen se ata a los estados de Jalisco, de Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes.
>
>o
>
>3) solicitan una exención especial que necesite considerado caso por caso.
>
>¿Qué usted como la calidad de miembro piensa de esto?
>
>joseph
>
>
>

I think it’s a wonderful requirement to make posting what we want to share of our genealogy work. Some people like Jessica are new and learn from our research, others learn from the things we share about how to go abt finding and reading information. By requiring people to share it stops those who would only take and not share.. I’m sure there is something to be learned by all of us from each person who has agreed to work as part of this group.

Personally I like sharing whatever I have since I know time and money limits many people. Because of that I’ve posted my records of close to 38,000 names on ancestry world tree, the free site of Ancestry.com. I do know that they put them on their pay site too but my records are wasted if I hoard them for myself. I do understand that others make a living researching for others and may use and sell whatever I post, I’m okay with that.. as long as someone somewhere gets a chance to find and reclaim their family.. I’m just part of a chain that helps people from Mexico reclaim and remember their families.. just my opinion..

Linda in B.C.

Jessica Castaneda wrote:
“I haven’t submitted anything yet since I really haven’t had time to do any
research. All I still know if what I submitted when I first subscribed. . I subscribed hoping to be able to add my information and be able to learn from others searching for ancestors in the same area. I have learned a lot just from reading the posts of members of the group and hope that I will not get the axe. I thank you for your patience with those of us that rarely enter into group conversation-and provide really no information on our “antepasados” although I can say for myself I enjoy learning from all of you.”

Thanks- Jessica Castaneda

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I think it’s a wonderful requirement to make posting what we want to share of our genealogy work. Some people like Jessica are new and learn from our research, others learn from the things we share about how to go abt finding and reading information. By requiring people to share it stops those who would only take and not share.. I’m sure there is something to be learned by all of us from each person who has agreed to work as part of this group.

Personally I like sharing whatever I have since I know time and money limits many people. Because of that I’ve posted my records of close to 38,000 names on ancestry world tree, the free site of Ancestry.com. I do know that they put them on their pay site too but my records are wasted if I hoard them for myself. I do understand that others make a living researching for others and may use and sell whatever I post, I’m okay with that.. as long as someone somewhere gets a chance to find and reclaim their family.. I’m just part of a chain that helps people from Mexico reclaim and remember their families.. just my opinion..

Linda in B.C.

Jessica Castaneda wrote:
“I haven’t submitted anything yet since I really haven’t had time to do any
research. All I still know if what I submitted when I first subscribed. . I subscribed hoping to be able to add my information and be able to learn from others searching for ancestors in the same area. I have learned a lot just from reading the posts of members of the group and hope that I will not get the axe. I thank you for your patience with those of us that rarely enter into group conversation-and provide really no information on our “antepasados” although I can say for myself I enjoy learning from all of you.”

Thanks- Jessica Castaneda

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large correction… I now have almost 28,000 names not 38,000… I had a worm and had not backed up my files and lost close to 5,000 names before posting them online… I do have the original files so am now in the process of reentering… another lesson newbees can learn… back up your files!
Linda in B.C.

Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
I think it’s a wonderful requirement to make posting what we want to share of our genealogy work. Some people like Jessica are new and learn from our research, others learn from the things we share about how to go abt finding and reading information. By requiring people to share it stops those who would only take and not share.. I’m sure there is something to be learned by all of us from each person who has agreed to work as part of this group.

Personally I like sharing whatever I have since I know time and money limits many people. Because of that I’ve posted my records of close to 38,000 names on ancestry world tree, the free site of Ancestry.com. I do know that they put them on their pay site too but my records are wasted if I hoard them for myself. I do understand that others make a living researching for others and may use and sell whatever I post, I’m okay with that.. as long as someone somewhere gets a chance to find and reclaim their family.. I’m just part of a chain that helps people from Mexico reclaim and remember their families.. just my opinion..

Linda in B.C.

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large correction… I now have almost 28,000 names not 38,000… I had a worm and had not backed up my files and lost close to 5,000 names before posting them online… I do have the original files so am now in the process of reentering… another lesson newbees can learn… back up your files!
Linda in B.C.

Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
I think it’s a wonderful requirement to make posting what we want to share of our genealogy work. Some people like Jessica are new and learn from our research, others learn from the things we share about how to go abt finding and reading information. By requiring people to share it stops those who would only take and not share.. I’m sure there is something to be learned by all of us from each person who has agreed to work as part of this group.

Personally I like sharing whatever I have since I know time and money limits many people. Because of that I’ve posted my records of close to 38,000 names on ancestry world tree, the free site of Ancestry.com. I do know that they put them on their pay site too but my records are wasted if I hoard them for myself. I do understand that others make a living researching for others and may use and sell whatever I post, I’m okay with that.. as long as someone somewhere gets a chance to find and reclaim their family.. I’m just part of a chain that helps people from Mexico reclaim and remember their families.. just my opinion..

Linda in B.C.

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Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.