Hi
I am familiar with lots of sources, but not from Mexico so I would appreciate any source info there. I have traced 3 branches of my mother’s family back to the early 1600s, so am familiar with several online sources. From my dad’s family I only have a few baptismal certificates from the US and two from MExico, and names of my great grandparents but no info on where they lived. My dad was born in Aguascalientes, and my grandparents too. That’s about all I know, except that I have family members who I have never met living in Puebla, Pbla.
I will get together what I have and submit it later.
John
Emilie Garcia wrote:
John,
Also let us know what genealogical resources you are familiar with so far. Have you looked in FamilySearch.com or WorldConnect or visited any of the Family History Centers in your area? Can you read Spanish? There is a website called “Municipios de Mexico” that gives a lot of history of each state and city in Mexico.
It sounds like your folks may be from Aguascalientes if you say you looked in the Ex-Haciendas file. There is also a file called Diccionario Geografico that lists many place names. I found a baptism record for my husband’s ancestors for 1748 in a microfilm for Aguascalientes that said his ancestors were born in “Mariquitas”. Well, according to the Diccionario, Mariquitas was a ranch near Acoponita, Territory of Tepic, which is in another state entirely. I think this will lead me to what is now the state of Nayarit where the current Tepic is. I have found by experience that the priests or whoever wrote in the records would mention the name of the town someone was born in but not the state. Also, there are many in this group whose ancestors have been traced as far back as the late 1600s in Aguascalientes, so you might find a lot of help from them. Good luck.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA —-
—– Original Message —–
From: Joseph Puentes
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 9:20 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
You just joined a few days ago. Let’s put aside the discussion about
quitting for the moment. Why not start at the beginning and send in an
Introduction. Give us the surnames you are researching along with the
specific places in either Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. If
you don’t have any of that information give us what you have and why you
believe that you have roots in one of those three states. It’s a lot
easier for the members of the group to advise if they have some
information to go on.
thanks,
joseph
john robles wrote:
>I for one am not sure how to share my info. Plus, I only have one generation in Mexico, and no siblings. The places my grandparents were born are not listed in the Ex Haciendas, and I haven’t been able to make a connection yet. So I am not sure if I should quit or wait and see if someone hooks their info to mine!
> Any pointers on how to get started in the group??
> John Robles
>
>
>
I am familiar with that practice. Actually, it frustrates me in my job – I work for Ventura County Probation Work Release program, and the staff always enters the mother’s surname as the last name of the client, so when ‘Antonio Garcia Acosta’ comes in to the office and gives his name as Antonio Garcia, the staff complains they can’t find the file – because it is listed as Antonio G. Acosta…arrgh….
Emilie Garcia wrote: John,
The reason I asked if you were familiar with the Spanish language is that there was/is a certain way that people in Mexico are named. They use as their surname both their father’s followed by their mother’s most of the time. You need to enter both surnames in certain fields in the FamilySearch.com’s IGI database. My husband is not Antonio Garcia in Mexico; he would be Antonio Garcia Acosta, Acosta being his mother’s surname. To clarify which Antonio Garcia Acosta he is, that being a common name, he might add his middle name of Carlos and then he would be Antonio Carlos Garcia Acosta. He would be addressed as Senor Garcia, not Senor Acosta.
Also, way back, men often used their mother’s surnames and ignored their father’s surnames even if they were legitimate, or even in the case of my husband’s ancestors, some would give as their father’s surname, the surname that their mother was born with. Also women often died young, and men would sometimes end up having had two or three wives and the children of the first marriages would give as their mother’s name the name of their step-mother. All this makes it very interesting in finding our ancestors. You have to hunt for them by entering various combinations of known surnames and the various spellings for each. Good luck.
Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
John,
Also let us know what genealogical resources you are familiar with so far. Have you looked in FamilySearch.com or WorldConnect or visited any of the Family History Centers in your area? Can you read Spanish? There is a website called “Municipios de Mexico” that gives a lot of history of each state and city in Mexico.
It sounds like your folks may be from Aguascalientes if you say you looked in the Ex-Haciendas file. There is also a file called Diccionario Geografico that lists many place names. I found a baptism record for my husband’s ancestors for 1748 in a microfilm for Aguascalientes that said his ancestors were born in “Mariquitas”. Well, according to the Diccionario, Mariquitas was a ranch near Acoponita, Territory of Tepic, which is in another state entirely. I think this will lead me to what is now the state of Nayarit where the current Tepic is. I have found by experience that the priests or whoever wrote in the records would mention the name of the town someone was born in but not the state. Also, there are many in this group whose ancestors have been traced as far back as the late 1600s in Aguascalientes, so you might find a lot of help from them. Good luck.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA —-
—– Original Message —–
From: Joseph Puentes>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 9:20 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
You just joined a few days ago. Let’s put aside the discussion about
quitting for the moment. Why not start at the beginning and send in an
Introduction. Give us the surnames you are researching along with the
specific places in either Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. If
you don’t have any of that information give us what you have and why you
believe that you have roots in one of those three states. It’s a lot
easier for the members of the group to advise if they have some
information to go on.
thanks,
joseph
john robles wrote:
>I for one am not sure how to share my info. Plus, I only have one generation in Mexico, and no siblings. The places my grandparents were born are not listed in the Ex Haciendas, and I haven’t been able to make a connection yet. So I am not sure if I should quit or wait and see if someone hooks their info to mine!
> Any pointers on how to get started in the group??
> John Robles
>
>
>
I am familiar with that practice. Actually, it frustrates me in my job – I work for Ventura County Probation Work Release program, and the staff always enters the mother’s surname as the last name of the client, so when ‘Antonio Garcia Acosta’ comes in to the office and gives his name as Antonio Garcia, the staff complains they can’t find the file – because it is listed as Antonio G. Acosta…arrgh….
Emilie Garcia wrote: John,
The reason I asked if you were familiar with the Spanish language is that there was/is a certain way that people in Mexico are named. They use as their surname both their father’s followed by their mother’s most of the time. You need to enter both surnames in certain fields in the FamilySearch.com’s IGI database. My husband is not Antonio Garcia in Mexico; he would be Antonio Garcia Acosta, Acosta being his mother’s surname. To clarify which Antonio Garcia Acosta he is, that being a common name, he might add his middle name of Carlos and then he would be Antonio Carlos Garcia Acosta. He would be addressed as Senor Garcia, not Senor Acosta.
Also, way back, men often used their mother’s surnames and ignored their father’s surnames even if they were legitimate, or even in the case of my husband’s ancestors, some would give as their father’s surname, the surname that their mother was born with. Also women often died young, and men would sometimes end up having had two or three wives and the children of the first marriages would give as their mother’s name the name of their step-mother. All this makes it very interesting in finding our ancestors. You have to hunt for them by entering various combinations of known surnames and the various spellings for each. Good luck.
Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
John,
Also let us know what genealogical resources you are familiar with so far. Have you looked in FamilySearch.com or WorldConnect or visited any of the Family History Centers in your area? Can you read Spanish? There is a website called “Municipios de Mexico” that gives a lot of history of each state and city in Mexico.
It sounds like your folks may be from Aguascalientes if you say you looked in the Ex-Haciendas file. There is also a file called Diccionario Geografico that lists many place names. I found a baptism record for my husband’s ancestors for 1748 in a microfilm for Aguascalientes that said his ancestors were born in “Mariquitas”. Well, according to the Diccionario, Mariquitas was a ranch near Acoponita, Territory of Tepic, which is in another state entirely. I think this will lead me to what is now the state of Nayarit where the current Tepic is. I have found by experience that the priests or whoever wrote in the records would mention the name of the town someone was born in but not the state. Also, there are many in this group whose ancestors have been traced as far back as the late 1600s in Aguascalientes, so you might find a lot of help from them. Good luck.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA —-
—– Original Message —–
From: Joseph Puentes>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 9:20 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
You just joined a few days ago. Let’s put aside the discussion about
quitting for the moment. Why not start at the beginning and send in an
Introduction. Give us the surnames you are researching along with the
specific places in either Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. If
you don’t have any of that information give us what you have and why you
believe that you have roots in one of those three states. It’s a lot
easier for the members of the group to advise if they have some
information to go on.
thanks,
joseph
john robles wrote:
>I for one am not sure how to share my info. Plus, I only have one generation in Mexico, and no siblings. The places my grandparents were born are not listed in the Ex Haciendas, and I haven’t been able to make a connection yet. So I am not sure if I should quit or wait and see if someone hooks their info to mine!
> Any pointers on how to get started in the group??
> John Robles
>
>
>
EUREKA! Thanks for the note – I may have found an important clue thank to you! After reading your note about names, I started thinking how somewhere I had seen my grandfather referred to as Antonio Nieves Robles, not just Nieves Robles. I looked thru my archives and found his death certificate, and his father’s name is given not as Marcial Robles, but as Marcial Nieves!!!! I will now start searching under that name and see what I can find! I also found the handwritten birth certificates of my dad and two siblings who died before the family left Mexico. The earliest was born in 1905. My aunt told me that my grandmother remembered giving birth to one of her children under a tree on a hill..tough days…
John
Emilie Garcia wrote:
John,
The reason I asked if you were familiar with the Spanish language is that there was/is a certain way that people in Mexico are named. They use as their surname both their father’s followed by their mother’s most of the time. You need to enter both surnames in certain fields in the FamilySearch.com’s IGI database. My husband is not Antonio Garcia in Mexico; he would be Antonio Garcia Acosta, Acosta being his mother’s surname. To clarify which Antonio Garcia Acosta he is, that being a common name, he might add his middle name of Carlos and then he would be Antonio Carlos Garcia Acosta. He would be addressed as Senor Garcia, not Senor Acosta.
Also, way back, men often used their mother’s surnames and ignored their father’s surnames even if they were legitimate, or even in the case of my husband’s ancestors, some would give as their father’s surname, the surname that their mother was born with. Also women often died young, and men would sometimes end up having had two or three wives and the children of the first marriages would give as their mother’s name the name of their step-mother. All this makes it very interesting in finding our ancestors. You have to hunt for them by entering various combinations of known surnames and the various spellings for each. Good luck.
Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
John,
Also let us know what genealogical resources you are familiar with so far. Have you looked in FamilySearch.com or WorldConnect or visited any of the Family History Centers in your area? Can you read Spanish? There is a website called “Municipios de Mexico” that gives a lot of history of each state and city in Mexico.
It sounds like your folks may be from Aguascalientes if you say you looked in the Ex-Haciendas file. There is also a file called Diccionario Geografico that lists many place names. I found a baptism record for my husband’s ancestors for 1748 in a microfilm for Aguascalientes that said his ancestors were born in “Mariquitas”. Well, according to the Diccionario, Mariquitas was a ranch near Acoponita, Territory of Tepic, which is in another state entirely. I think this will lead me to what is now the state of Nayarit where the current Tepic is. I have found by experience that the priests or whoever wrote in the records would mention the name of the town someone was born in but not the state. Also, there are many in this group whose ancestors have been traced as far back as the late 1600s in Aguascalientes, so you might find a lot of help from them. Good luck.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA —-
—– Original Message —–
From: Joseph Puentes>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 9:20 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
You just joined a few days ago. Let’s put aside the discussion about
quitting for the moment. Why not start at the beginning and send in an
Introduction. Give us the surnames you are researching along with the
specific places in either Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. If
you don’t have any of that information give us what you have and why you
believe that you have roots in one of those three states. It’s a lot
easier for the members of the group to advise if they have some
information to go on.
thanks,
joseph
john robles wrote:
>I for one am not sure how to share my info. Plus, I only have one generation in Mexico, and no siblings. The places my grandparents were born are not listed in the Ex Haciendas, and I haven’t been able to make a connection yet. So I am not sure if I should quit or wait and see if someone hooks their info to mine!
> Any pointers on how to get started in the group??
> John Robles
>
>
>
EUREKA! Thanks for the note – I may have found an important clue thank to you! After reading your note about names, I started thinking how somewhere I had seen my grandfather referred to as Antonio Nieves Robles, not just Nieves Robles. I looked thru my archives and found his death certificate, and his father’s name is given not as Marcial Robles, but as Marcial Nieves!!!! I will now start searching under that name and see what I can find! I also found the handwritten birth certificates of my dad and two siblings who died before the family left Mexico. The earliest was born in 1905. My aunt told me that my grandmother remembered giving birth to one of her children under a tree on a hill..tough days…
John
Emilie Garcia wrote:
John,
The reason I asked if you were familiar with the Spanish language is that there was/is a certain way that people in Mexico are named. They use as their surname both their father’s followed by their mother’s most of the time. You need to enter both surnames in certain fields in the FamilySearch.com’s IGI database. My husband is not Antonio Garcia in Mexico; he would be Antonio Garcia Acosta, Acosta being his mother’s surname. To clarify which Antonio Garcia Acosta he is, that being a common name, he might add his middle name of Carlos and then he would be Antonio Carlos Garcia Acosta. He would be addressed as Senor Garcia, not Senor Acosta.
Also, way back, men often used their mother’s surnames and ignored their father’s surnames even if they were legitimate, or even in the case of my husband’s ancestors, some would give as their father’s surname, the surname that their mother was born with. Also women often died young, and men would sometimes end up having had two or three wives and the children of the first marriages would give as their mother’s name the name of their step-mother. All this makes it very interesting in finding our ancestors. You have to hunt for them by entering various combinations of known surnames and the various spellings for each. Good luck.
Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
John,
Also let us know what genealogical resources you are familiar with so far. Have you looked in FamilySearch.com or WorldConnect or visited any of the Family History Centers in your area? Can you read Spanish? There is a website called “Municipios de Mexico” that gives a lot of history of each state and city in Mexico.
It sounds like your folks may be from Aguascalientes if you say you looked in the Ex-Haciendas file. There is also a file called Diccionario Geografico that lists many place names. I found a baptism record for my husband’s ancestors for 1748 in a microfilm for Aguascalientes that said his ancestors were born in “Mariquitas”. Well, according to the Diccionario, Mariquitas was a ranch near Acoponita, Territory of Tepic, which is in another state entirely. I think this will lead me to what is now the state of Nayarit where the current Tepic is. I have found by experience that the priests or whoever wrote in the records would mention the name of the town someone was born in but not the state. Also, there are many in this group whose ancestors have been traced as far back as the late 1600s in Aguascalientes, so you might find a lot of help from them. Good luck.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA —-
—– Original Message —–
From: Joseph Puentes>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 9:20 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
You just joined a few days ago. Let’s put aside the discussion about
quitting for the moment. Why not start at the beginning and send in an
Introduction. Give us the surnames you are researching along with the
specific places in either Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. If
you don’t have any of that information give us what you have and why you
believe that you have roots in one of those three states. It’s a lot
easier for the members of the group to advise if they have some
information to go on.
thanks,
joseph
john robles wrote:
>I for one am not sure how to share my info. Plus, I only have one generation in Mexico, and no siblings. The places my grandparents were born are not listed in the Ex Haciendas, and I haven’t been able to make a connection yet. So I am not sure if I should quit or wait and see if someone hooks their info to mine!
> Any pointers on how to get started in the group??
> John Robles
>
>
>
That is great John. It gives me such a warm fuzzy feeling when I have helped someone break through a wall. Thanks for telling me. Did you do the Genealogist’s Happy Dance?
Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: john robles
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
EUREKA! Thanks for the note – I may have found an important clue thank to you! After reading your note about names, I started thinking how somewhere I had seen my grandfather referred to as Antonio Nieves Robles, not just Nieves Robles. I looked thru my archives and found his death certificate, and his father’s name is given not as Marcial Robles, but as Marcial Nieves!!!! I will now start searching under that name and see what I can find! I also found the handwritten birth certificates of my dad and two siblings who died before the family left Mexico. The earliest was born in 1905. My aunt told me that my grandmother remembered giving birth to one of her children under a tree on a hill..tough days…
John
Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com> wrote:
John,
The reason I asked if you were familiar with the Spanish language is that there was/is a certain way that people in Mexico are named. They use as their surname both their father’s followed by their mother’s most of the time. You need to enter both surnames in certain fields in the FamilySearch.com’s IGI database. My husband is not Antonio Garcia in Mexico; he would be Antonio Garcia Acosta, Acosta being his mother’s surname. To clarify which Antonio Garcia Acosta he is, that being a common name, he might add his middle name of Carlos and then he would be Antonio Carlos Garcia Acosta. He would be addressed as Senor Garcia, not Senor Acosta.
Also, way back, men often used their mother’s surnames and ignored their father’s surnames even if they were legitimate, or even in the case of my husband’s ancestors, some would give as their father’s surname, the surname that their mother was born with. Also women often died young, and men would sometimes end up having had two or three wives and the children of the first marriages would give as their mother’s name the name of their step-mother. All this makes it very interesting in finding our ancestors. You have to hunt for them by entering various combinations of known surnames and the various spellings for each. Good luck.
Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
John,
Also let us know what genealogical resources you are familiar with so far. Have you looked in FamilySearch.com or WorldConnect or visited any of the Family History Centers in your area? Can you read Spanish? There is a website called “Municipios de Mexico” that gives a lot of history of each state and city in Mexico.
It sounds like your folks may be from Aguascalientes if you say you looked in the Ex-Haciendas file. There is also a file called Diccionario Geografico that lists many place names. I found a baptism record for my husband’s ancestors for 1748 in a microfilm for Aguascalientes that said his ancestors were born in “Mariquitas”. Well, according to the Diccionario, Mariquitas was a ranch near Acoponita, Territory of Tepic, which is in another state entirely. I think this will lead me to what is now the state of Nayarit where the current Tepic is. I have found by experience that the priests or whoever wrote in the records would mention the name of the town someone was born in but not the state. Also, there are many in this group whose ancestors have been traced as far back as the late 1600s in Aguascalientes, so you might find a lot of help from them. Good luck.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA —-
—– Original Message —–
From: Joseph Puentes>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 9:20 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
You just joined a few days ago. Let’s put aside the discussion about
quitting for the moment. Why not start at the beginning and send in an
Introduction. Give us the surnames you are researching along with the
specific places in either Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. If
you don’t have any of that information give us what you have and why you
believe that you have roots in one of those three states. It’s a lot
easier for the members of the group to advise if they have some
information to go on.
thanks,
joseph
john robles wrote:
>I for one am not sure how to share my info. Plus, I only have one generation in Mexico, and no siblings. The places my grandparents were born are not listed in the Ex Haciendas, and I haven’t been able to make a connection yet. So I am not sure if I should quit or wait and see if someone hooks their info to mine!
> Any pointers on how to get started in the group??
> John Robles
>
>
>
That is great John. It gives me such a warm fuzzy feeling when I have helped someone break through a wall. Thanks for telling me. Did you do the Genealogist’s Happy Dance?
Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: john robles
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
EUREKA! Thanks for the note – I may have found an important clue thank to you! After reading your note about names, I started thinking how somewhere I had seen my grandfather referred to as Antonio Nieves Robles, not just Nieves Robles. I looked thru my archives and found his death certificate, and his father’s name is given not as Marcial Robles, but as Marcial Nieves!!!! I will now start searching under that name and see what I can find! I also found the handwritten birth certificates of my dad and two siblings who died before the family left Mexico. The earliest was born in 1905. My aunt told me that my grandmother remembered giving birth to one of her children under a tree on a hill..tough days…
John
Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com> wrote:
John,
The reason I asked if you were familiar with the Spanish language is that there was/is a certain way that people in Mexico are named. They use as their surname both their father’s followed by their mother’s most of the time. You need to enter both surnames in certain fields in the FamilySearch.com’s IGI database. My husband is not Antonio Garcia in Mexico; he would be Antonio Garcia Acosta, Acosta being his mother’s surname. To clarify which Antonio Garcia Acosta he is, that being a common name, he might add his middle name of Carlos and then he would be Antonio Carlos Garcia Acosta. He would be addressed as Senor Garcia, not Senor Acosta.
Also, way back, men often used their mother’s surnames and ignored their father’s surnames even if they were legitimate, or even in the case of my husband’s ancestors, some would give as their father’s surname, the surname that their mother was born with. Also women often died young, and men would sometimes end up having had two or three wives and the children of the first marriages would give as their mother’s name the name of their step-mother. All this makes it very interesting in finding our ancestors. You have to hunt for them by entering various combinations of known surnames and the various spellings for each. Good luck.
Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
John,
Also let us know what genealogical resources you are familiar with so far. Have you looked in FamilySearch.com or WorldConnect or visited any of the Family History Centers in your area? Can you read Spanish? There is a website called “Municipios de Mexico” that gives a lot of history of each state and city in Mexico.
It sounds like your folks may be from Aguascalientes if you say you looked in the Ex-Haciendas file. There is also a file called Diccionario Geografico that lists many place names. I found a baptism record for my husband’s ancestors for 1748 in a microfilm for Aguascalientes that said his ancestors were born in “Mariquitas”. Well, according to the Diccionario, Mariquitas was a ranch near Acoponita, Territory of Tepic, which is in another state entirely. I think this will lead me to what is now the state of Nayarit where the current Tepic is. I have found by experience that the priests or whoever wrote in the records would mention the name of the town someone was born in but not the state. Also, there are many in this group whose ancestors have been traced as far back as the late 1600s in Aguascalientes, so you might find a lot of help from them. Good luck.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA —-
—– Original Message —–
From: Joseph Puentes>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 9:20 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
You just joined a few days ago. Let’s put aside the discussion about
quitting for the moment. Why not start at the beginning and send in an
Introduction. Give us the surnames you are researching along with the
specific places in either Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. If
you don’t have any of that information give us what you have and why you
believe that you have roots in one of those three states. It’s a lot
easier for the members of the group to advise if they have some
information to go on.
thanks,
joseph
john robles wrote:
>I for one am not sure how to share my info. Plus, I only have one generation in Mexico, and no siblings. The places my grandparents were born are not listed in the Ex Haciendas, and I haven’t been able to make a connection yet. So I am not sure if I should quit or wait and see if someone hooks their info to mine!
> Any pointers on how to get started in the group??
> John Robles
>
>
>
Yes, and then I did the dance of befuddlement because now I have to find the connectons! There are no films from the years I am looking for, but I have a pal who is going to help me get them from the LDS library.
John
Emilie Garcia wrote:
That is great John. It gives me such a warm fuzzy feeling when I have helped someone break through a wall. Thanks for telling me. Did you do the Genealogist’s Happy Dance?
Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: john robles
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
EUREKA! Thanks for the note – I may have found an important clue thank to you! After reading your note about names, I started thinking how somewhere I had seen my grandfather referred to as Antonio Nieves Robles, not just Nieves Robles. I looked thru my archives and found his death certificate, and his father’s name is given not as Marcial Robles, but as Marcial Nieves!!!! I will now start searching under that name and see what I can find! I also found the handwritten birth certificates of my dad and two siblings who died before the family left Mexico. The earliest was born in 1905. My aunt told me that my grandmother remembered giving birth to one of her children under a tree on a hill..tough days…
John
Emilie Garcia > wrote:
John,
The reason I asked if you were familiar with the Spanish language is that there was/is a certain way that people in Mexico are named. They use as their surname both their father’s followed by their mother’s most of the time. You need to enter both surnames in certain fields in the FamilySearch.com’s IGI database. My husband is not Antonio Garcia in Mexico; he would be Antonio Garcia Acosta, Acosta being his mother’s surname. To clarify which Antonio Garcia Acosta he is, that being a common name, he might add his middle name of Carlos and then he would be Antonio Carlos Garcia Acosta. He would be addressed as Senor Garcia, not Senor Acosta.
Also, way back, men often used their mother’s surnames and ignored their father’s surnames even if they were legitimate, or even in the case of my husband’s ancestors, some would give as their father’s surname, the surname that their mother was born with. Also women often died young, and men would sometimes end up having had two or three wives and the children of the first marriages would give as their mother’s name the name of their step-mother. All this makes it very interesting in finding our ancestors. You have to hunt for them by entering various combinations of known surnames and the various spellings for each. Good luck.
Emilie
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From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
John,
Also let us know what genealogical resources you are familiar with so far. Have you looked in FamilySearch.com or WorldConnect or visited any of the Family History Centers in your area? Can you read Spanish? There is a website called “Municipios de Mexico” that gives a lot of history of each state and city in Mexico.
It sounds like your folks may be from Aguascalientes if you say you looked in the Ex-Haciendas file. There is also a file called Diccionario Geografico that lists many place names. I found a baptism record for my husband’s ancestors for 1748 in a microfilm for Aguascalientes that said his ancestors were born in “Mariquitas”. Well, according to the Diccionario, Mariquitas was a ranch near Acoponita, Territory of Tepic, which is in another state entirely. I think this will lead me to what is now the state of Nayarit where the current Tepic is. I have found by experience that the priests or whoever wrote in the records would mention the name of the town someone was born in but not the state. Also, there are many in this group whose ancestors have been traced as far back as the late 1600s in Aguascalientes, so you might find a lot of help from them. Good luck.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA —-
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From: Joseph Puentes>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 9:20 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
You just joined a few days ago. Let’s put aside the discussion about
quitting for the moment. Why not start at the beginning and send in an
Introduction. Give us the surnames you are researching along with the
specific places in either Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. If
you don’t have any of that information give us what you have and why you
believe that you have roots in one of those three states. It’s a lot
easier for the members of the group to advise if they have some
information to go on.
thanks,
joseph
john robles wrote:
>I for one am not sure how to share my info. Plus, I only have one generation in Mexico, and no siblings. The places my grandparents were born are not listed in the Ex Haciendas, and I haven’t been able to make a connection yet. So I am not sure if I should quit or wait and see if someone hooks their info to mine!
> Any pointers on how to get started in the group??
> John Robles
>
>
>
Yes, and then I did the dance of befuddlement because now I have to find the connectons! There are no films from the years I am looking for, but I have a pal who is going to help me get them from the LDS library.
John
Emilie Garcia wrote:
That is great John. It gives me such a warm fuzzy feeling when I have helped someone break through a wall. Thanks for telling me. Did you do the Genealogist’s Happy Dance?
Emilie
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From: john robles
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
EUREKA! Thanks for the note – I may have found an important clue thank to you! After reading your note about names, I started thinking how somewhere I had seen my grandfather referred to as Antonio Nieves Robles, not just Nieves Robles. I looked thru my archives and found his death certificate, and his father’s name is given not as Marcial Robles, but as Marcial Nieves!!!! I will now start searching under that name and see what I can find! I also found the handwritten birth certificates of my dad and two siblings who died before the family left Mexico. The earliest was born in 1905. My aunt told me that my grandmother remembered giving birth to one of her children under a tree on a hill..tough days…
John
Emilie Garcia > wrote:
John,
The reason I asked if you were familiar with the Spanish language is that there was/is a certain way that people in Mexico are named. They use as their surname both their father’s followed by their mother’s most of the time. You need to enter both surnames in certain fields in the FamilySearch.com’s IGI database. My husband is not Antonio Garcia in Mexico; he would be Antonio Garcia Acosta, Acosta being his mother’s surname. To clarify which Antonio Garcia Acosta he is, that being a common name, he might add his middle name of Carlos and then he would be Antonio Carlos Garcia Acosta. He would be addressed as Senor Garcia, not Senor Acosta.
Also, way back, men often used their mother’s surnames and ignored their father’s surnames even if they were legitimate, or even in the case of my husband’s ancestors, some would give as their father’s surname, the surname that their mother was born with. Also women often died young, and men would sometimes end up having had two or three wives and the children of the first marriages would give as their mother’s name the name of their step-mother. All this makes it very interesting in finding our ancestors. You have to hunt for them by entering various combinations of known surnames and the various spellings for each. Good luck.
Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
John,
Also let us know what genealogical resources you are familiar with so far. Have you looked in FamilySearch.com or WorldConnect or visited any of the Family History Centers in your area? Can you read Spanish? There is a website called “Municipios de Mexico” that gives a lot of history of each state and city in Mexico.
It sounds like your folks may be from Aguascalientes if you say you looked in the Ex-Haciendas file. There is also a file called Diccionario Geografico that lists many place names. I found a baptism record for my husband’s ancestors for 1748 in a microfilm for Aguascalientes that said his ancestors were born in “Mariquitas”. Well, according to the Diccionario, Mariquitas was a ranch near Acoponita, Territory of Tepic, which is in another state entirely. I think this will lead me to what is now the state of Nayarit where the current Tepic is. I have found by experience that the priests or whoever wrote in the records would mention the name of the town someone was born in but not the state. Also, there are many in this group whose ancestors have been traced as far back as the late 1600s in Aguascalientes, so you might find a lot of help from them. Good luck.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA —-
—– Original Message —–
From: Joseph Puentes>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 9:20 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] John Robles
You just joined a few days ago. Let’s put aside the discussion about
quitting for the moment. Why not start at the beginning and send in an
Introduction. Give us the surnames you are researching along with the
specific places in either Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. If
you don’t have any of that information give us what you have and why you
believe that you have roots in one of those three states. It’s a lot
easier for the members of the group to advise if they have some
information to go on.
thanks,
joseph
john robles wrote:
>I for one am not sure how to share my info. Plus, I only have one generation in Mexico, and no siblings. The places my grandparents were born are not listed in the Ex Haciendas, and I haven’t been able to make a connection yet. So I am not sure if I should quit or wait and see if someone hooks their info to mine!
> Any pointers on how to get started in the group??
> John Robles
>
>
>
I would like to commend “Linda in B.C.” for her comments. I have perused these postings for 2-3 months now and I have always found Linda’s to be refreshingly sincere, caring, open and honest. I sense a genuine willingness on her part to be helpful to the less resourceful and I’ve never sensed the slightest hint of self importance in her comments.
Bernardino
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
I think it’s a wonderful requirement to make posting what we want to share of our genealogy work. Some people like Jessica are new and learn from our research, others learn from the things we share about how to go abt finding and reading information. By requiring people to share it stops those who would only take and not share.. I’m sure there is something to be learned by all of us from each person who has agreed to work as part of this group.
Personally I like sharing whatever I have since I know time and money limits many people. Because of that I’ve posted my records of close to 38,000 names on ancestry world tree, the free site of Ancestry.com. I do know that they put them on their pay site too but my records are wasted if I hoard them for myself. I do understand that others make a living researching for others and may use and sell whatever I post, I’m okay with that.. as long as someone somewhere gets a chance to find and reclaim their family.. I’m just part of a chain that helps people from Mexico reclaim and remember their families.. just my opinion..
Linda in B.C.
Jessica Castaneda wrote:
“I haven’t submitted anything yet since I really haven’t had time to do any
research. All I still know if what I submitted when I first subscribed. . I subscribed hoping to be able to add my information and be able to learn from others searching for ancestors in the same area. I have learned a lot just from reading the posts of members of the group and hope that I will not get the axe. I thank you for your patience with those of us that rarely enter into group conversation-and provide really no information on our “antepasados” although I can say for myself I enjoy learning from all of you.”
Thanks- Jessica Castaneda
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I would like to commend “Linda in B.C.” for her comments. I have perused these postings for 2-3 months now and I have always found Linda’s to be refreshingly sincere, caring, open and honest. I sense a genuine willingness on her part to be helpful to the less resourceful and I’ve never sensed the slightest hint of self importance in her comments.
Bernardino
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
I think it’s a wonderful requirement to make posting what we want to share of our genealogy work. Some people like Jessica are new and learn from our research, others learn from the things we share about how to go abt finding and reading information. By requiring people to share it stops those who would only take and not share.. I’m sure there is something to be learned by all of us from each person who has agreed to work as part of this group.
Personally I like sharing whatever I have since I know time and money limits many people. Because of that I’ve posted my records of close to 38,000 names on ancestry world tree, the free site of Ancestry.com. I do know that they put them on their pay site too but my records are wasted if I hoard them for myself. I do understand that others make a living researching for others and may use and sell whatever I post, I’m okay with that.. as long as someone somewhere gets a chance to find and reclaim their family.. I’m just part of a chain that helps people from Mexico reclaim and remember their families.. just my opinion..
Linda in B.C.
Jessica Castaneda wrote:
“I haven’t submitted anything yet since I really haven’t had time to do any
research. All I still know if what I submitted when I first subscribed. . I subscribed hoping to be able to add my information and be able to learn from others searching for ancestors in the same area. I have learned a lot just from reading the posts of members of the group and hope that I will not get the axe. I thank you for your patience with those of us that rarely enter into group conversation-and provide really no information on our “antepasados” although I can say for myself I enjoy learning from all of you.”
Thanks- Jessica Castaneda
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Bernardo, you’re very generous.. I love this group because I find the majority are of a like mind when it comes to genealogy and helping others to learn and use all resources available.. One person can not do this alone…
thank you, Linda in B.C.
side note: Today I was contacted by a member of the Mendez family originally from Tamazula Jalisco Mexico, it is my gr-grandmother Maria Mendez line.. He found my records on Ancestry World Tree. I have photo’s from my grandmothers album that are of this gentelmans grandparents and can’t tell you how happy I am to be able to give them to him.. He lives in San Jose Ca. which is less than 2 hours from where I grew up in Stockton Ca and yet we never knew of each other.. what doors genealogy opens for us..
Mike Bernard Lopez wrote:
I would like to commend “Linda in B.C.” for her comments. I have perused these postings for 2-3 months now and I have always found Linda’s to be refreshingly sincere, caring, open and honest. I sense a genuine willingness on her part to be helpful to the less resourceful and I’ve never sensed the slightest hint of self importance in her comments.
Bernardino
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Bernardo, you’re very generous.. I love this group because I find the majority are of a like mind when it comes to genealogy and helping others to learn and use all resources available.. One person can not do this alone…
thank you, Linda in B.C.
side note: Today I was contacted by a member of the Mendez family originally from Tamazula Jalisco Mexico, it is my gr-grandmother Maria Mendez line.. He found my records on Ancestry World Tree. I have photo’s from my grandmothers album that are of this gentelmans grandparents and can’t tell you how happy I am to be able to give them to him.. He lives in San Jose Ca. which is less than 2 hours from where I grew up in Stockton Ca and yet we never knew of each other.. what doors genealogy opens for us..
Mike Bernard Lopez wrote:
I would like to commend “Linda in B.C.” for her comments. I have perused these postings for 2-3 months now and I have always found Linda’s to be refreshingly sincere, caring, open and honest. I sense a genuine willingness on her part to be helpful to the less resourceful and I’ve never sensed the slightest hint of self importance in her comments.
Bernardino
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