If you want to find out where San Ignacio is, go to Maps of Mexico, select
Aguascalientes (it is the smallest state, right in the center of Mexico)
click right on the city to zoom in, you will see San Ignacio just outside
the city limits, on the West side of Aguascalientes..

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
—– Original Message —–
From: “John Gonzalez”
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Info for Emilie

> Emilie:
>
> Here’s some information that I am hoping will help you.
>
> LDS Batch F868769, Film #1396289
>
> Lope de Esparza 2nd Marriage: Batch 7412803 Film #0934233
>
> Lope Ruiz de Esparza married Francisca Gabay and Lorenza, Married to
> Capitan
> Luis Tiscareño Molina y Marquez, was their daughter.
>
> Capitan Luis Tiscareño de Molina: Batch F868327 Film #1396258
>
> Here’s some information about the Hacienda:
>
> “La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique”
> Aguascalientes, Ags, Mexico.
>
> La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique debe su nombre a su cercanía con el rio
> del
> mismo nombre. Se ubica sobre el camino real a Calvillo, camino que
> tambien
> comunicaba con las haciendas de Gracias a Dios, San Jose de Gudalupe y el
> Sauz. Fue una de las haciendas mas chicas en el estado. En 1972 tenía
> una
> superficie de 2,600 hectáreas; habia sido propiedad del presbítero Ignacio
> Rincón Gallardo, quien en 1820 la cedió como parte de un patronato
> benéfico
> que sería administrado por el Ayntamiento de Aguascalientes. Estaba
> dotada
> de una buenapresa, canales y acequias, además de una gran casa principal.
> Apartir de 1855, el Ayuntamiento decidió venderla en fracciones. Su presa
> fue traspasada en 1863 a los señores Cornú y Stiker, para formar parte de
> su
> hacienda industrial de San Ignacio.
>
> .com
>

If you want to find out where San Ignacio is, go to Maps of Mexico, select
Aguascalientes (it is the smallest state, right in the center of Mexico)
click right on the city to zoom in, you will see San Ignacio just outside
the city limits, on the West side of Aguascalientes..

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
—– Original Message —–
From: “John Gonzalez”
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Info for Emilie

> Emilie:
>
> Here’s some information that I am hoping will help you.
>
> LDS Batch F868769, Film #1396289
>
> Lope de Esparza 2nd Marriage: Batch 7412803 Film #0934233
>
> Lope Ruiz de Esparza married Francisca Gabay and Lorenza, Married to
> Capitan
> Luis Tiscareño Molina y Marquez, was their daughter.
>
> Capitan Luis Tiscareño de Molina: Batch F868327 Film #1396258
>
> Here’s some information about the Hacienda:
>
> “La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique”
> Aguascalientes, Ags, Mexico.
>
> La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique debe su nombre a su cercanía con el rio
> del
> mismo nombre. Se ubica sobre el camino real a Calvillo, camino que
> tambien
> comunicaba con las haciendas de Gracias a Dios, San Jose de Gudalupe y el
> Sauz. Fue una de las haciendas mas chicas en el estado. En 1972 tenía
> una
> superficie de 2,600 hectáreas; habia sido propiedad del presbítero Ignacio
> Rincón Gallardo, quien en 1820 la cedió como parte de un patronato
> benéfico
> que sería administrado por el Ayntamiento de Aguascalientes. Estaba
> dotada
> de una buenapresa, canales y acequias, además de una gran casa principal.
> Apartir de 1855, el Ayuntamiento decidió venderla en fracciones. Su presa
> fue traspasada en 1863 a los señores Cornú y Stiker, para formar parte de
> su
> hacienda industrial de San Ignacio.
>
> .com
>

Hi! this event deservs tequila con limón y un poco de ron!
I live in Tijuana BC, where are you?
I think I never look at those places in films.
There must be a good link between us, I suspect that Cozyleon, Cossyleon, Concilion, and all the written forms that I had found decend from one branch, it is one of the genealogies to appear in next Lic Mariano Gonzalez-Leal (expecto for it next year, God´s providence)
Take a look at my gedcom in the section in this group. I´loo at your´s.
God blessings prima. I´ll go crazy for a while an look into your genealogy. Write to you soon.

My Cozyleon are from Jalisco indeed. Lic Mariano Gonzalez-Leon told me there is a decendancy from Juan De Cos Y Leon (maybe De Leon) and Maria De Escapa, they where from Aragon, Spain.

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Hi! this event deservs tequila con limón y un poco de ron!
I live in Tijuana BC, where are you?
I think I never look at those places in films.
There must be a good link between us, I suspect that Cozyleon, Cossyleon, Concilion, and all the written forms that I had found decend from one branch, it is one of the genealogies to appear in next Lic Mariano Gonzalez-Leal (expecto for it next year, God´s providence)
Take a look at my gedcom in the section in this group. I´loo at your´s.
God blessings prima. I´ll go crazy for a while an look into your genealogy. Write to you soon.

My Cozyleon are from Jalisco indeed. Lic Mariano Gonzalez-Leon told me there is a decendancy from Juan De Cos Y Leon (maybe De Leon) and Maria De Escapa, they where from Aragon, Spain.

———————————
Do You Yahoo!? La mejor conexión a Internet y 2GB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx

thanks for your answer.

I´ll be asking to my father, over and over until I squeez his brain as I am used to do. He´ll be 84 on oct, some times I brake adobe walls with this technique! He could remember something, I almost hear the whispering spirits around, if I were a dog my ears would be pointing up. If any news, be sure I´ll tell.

AliceBB escribió:
Hi Leticia, My mother’s maiden name was Enedina Onate; she grew up believing she was born in Aguascalientes, Aguas. May 14, 1915. Her parents were Luis Onate and Agustina Santelices, who separated, and therein lies the rub. My mother was estranged from the Onates all her life and when she sought them out about 40 years ago, she found an aunt Leonarda Onate in Aguas.,Aguas. who in turn took us to meet an uncle Adolfo Onate in Guadalajara, Jalisco. They told us of another sister Maria Onate in the US. who married a first cousin Eduardo Onate! I was with Mom on this trip, and Tia Leonarda took us to a church where her father/my ggrandfather Rosalio de Onate was a benefactor, and is entombed. Unfortunately, I was about 12 at the time, and while I remember the white marble tomb, I wasn’t much interested. It was on that trip that Tia Leonarda and Uncle Adolfo informed my mother that she was actually born in Villa Garcia, Zac. GGrandfather Rosalio and ggrandmother Petra
Candelas/or Candelario supposedly had a tobacco hacienda that was lost in the revolution. After all that effort, my mother never kept up correspondence with the Onate’s. To date, the only family info I have been able to verify through FHC records, is the marriage of my grandmother Agustina Santelices’ parents: ggrandmother Maria Valderramas to ggrandfather Francisco Santelices in Panuco,Zac. on April 20. 1882, although it states they were from Vetagrande, Zac. That entry states no children, when they actually had two daugthers. And that’s about it. My Onates are NOWHERE to be found and that FHC entry is the only mention of a Santelices. It’s been a brick wall ever since! There are lots of Valderramas and Candelas, but until I find a link, I don’t know which ones to follow. Thanks so much, Alice B. Blake

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thanks for your answer.

I´ll be asking to my father, over and over until I squeez his brain as I am used to do. He´ll be 84 on oct, some times I brake adobe walls with this technique! He could remember something, I almost hear the whispering spirits around, if I were a dog my ears would be pointing up. If any news, be sure I´ll tell.

AliceBB escribió:
Hi Leticia, My mother’s maiden name was Enedina Onate; she grew up believing she was born in Aguascalientes, Aguas. May 14, 1915. Her parents were Luis Onate and Agustina Santelices, who separated, and therein lies the rub. My mother was estranged from the Onates all her life and when she sought them out about 40 years ago, she found an aunt Leonarda Onate in Aguas.,Aguas. who in turn took us to meet an uncle Adolfo Onate in Guadalajara, Jalisco. They told us of another sister Maria Onate in the US. who married a first cousin Eduardo Onate! I was with Mom on this trip, and Tia Leonarda took us to a church where her father/my ggrandfather Rosalio de Onate was a benefactor, and is entombed. Unfortunately, I was about 12 at the time, and while I remember the white marble tomb, I wasn’t much interested. It was on that trip that Tia Leonarda and Uncle Adolfo informed my mother that she was actually born in Villa Garcia, Zac. GGrandfather Rosalio and ggrandmother Petra
Candelas/or Candelario supposedly had a tobacco hacienda that was lost in the revolution. After all that effort, my mother never kept up correspondence with the Onate’s. To date, the only family info I have been able to verify through FHC records, is the marriage of my grandmother Agustina Santelices’ parents: ggrandmother Maria Valderramas to ggrandfather Francisco Santelices in Panuco,Zac. on April 20. 1882, although it states they were from Vetagrande, Zac. That entry states no children, when they actually had two daugthers. And that’s about it. My Onates are NOWHERE to be found and that FHC entry is the only mention of a Santelices. It’s been a brick wall ever since! There are lots of Valderramas and Candelas, but until I find a link, I don’t know which ones to follow. Thanks so much, Alice B. Blake

———————————
Do You Yahoo!? La mejor conexión a Internet y 2GB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx

Yes, it’s me again, John Gonzalez

Do you have Googleearth?

If you do, you can go to:

21 55′ 28.83″N 102 25′ 21.61″W

You’ll see the Dam and the town of San Ignacio! What used to be Hacienda
Nueva de Morcinique.

If you don’t have it, I highly recommend that you get it from
Googleearth.com, it is free! This view from space is a great tool for
looking and finding places all over the world. I located my GGgrandfather’s
house, just outside of Jalostotitlán, Jalisco. They have a lot of areas in
Mexico which are in high resolution, allowing you to see the streets,
buildings, and even vehicles, It includes: Jalisco, Zacatecas and
Aguascalientes , just to name a few.
Type in your address and you’ll see your house from space.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

Yes, it’s me again, John Gonzalez

Do you have Googleearth?

If you do, you can go to:

21 55′ 28.83″N 102 25′ 21.61″W

You’ll see the Dam and the town of San Ignacio! What used to be Hacienda
Nueva de Morcinique.

If you don’t have it, I highly recommend that you get it from
Googleearth.com, it is free! This view from space is a great tool for
looking and finding places all over the world. I located my GGgrandfather’s
house, just outside of Jalostotitlán, Jalisco. They have a lot of areas in
Mexico which are in high resolution, allowing you to see the streets,
buildings, and even vehicles, It includes: Jalisco, Zacatecas and
Aguascalientes , just to name a few.
Type in your address and you’ll see your house from space.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

Thanks, John. Appreciate it much.

Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: John Gonzalez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Info for Emilie

Emilie:

Here’s some information that I am hoping will help you.

LDS Batch F868769, Film #1396289

Lope de Esparza 2nd Marriage: Batch 7412803 Film #0934233

Lope Ruiz de Esparza married Francisca Gabay and Lorenza, Married to Capitan
Luis Tiscareño Molina y Marquez, was their daughter.

Capitan Luis Tiscareño de Molina: Batch F868327 Film #1396258

Here’s some information about the Hacienda:

“La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique”
Aguascalientes, Ags, Mexico.

La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique debe su nombre a su cercanía con el rio del
mismo nombre. Se ubica sobre el camino real a Calvillo, camino que tambien
comunicaba con las haciendas de Gracias a Dios, San Jose de Gudalupe y el
Sauz. Fue una de las haciendas mas chicas en el estado. En 1972 tenía una
superficie de 2,600 hectáreas; habia sido propiedad del presbítero Ignacio
Rincón Gallardo, quien en 1820 la cedió como parte de un patronato benéfico
que sería administrado por el Ayntamiento de Aguascalientes. Estaba dotada
de una buenapresa, canales y acequias, además de una gran casa principal.
Apartir de 1855, el Ayuntamiento decidió venderla en fracciones. Su presa
fue traspasada en 1863 a los señores Cornú y Stiker, para formar parte de su
hacienda industrial de San Ignacio.

.com

Thanks, John. Appreciate it much.

Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: John Gonzalez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Info for Emilie

Emilie:

Here’s some information that I am hoping will help you.

LDS Batch F868769, Film #1396289

Lope de Esparza 2nd Marriage: Batch 7412803 Film #0934233

Lope Ruiz de Esparza married Francisca Gabay and Lorenza, Married to Capitan
Luis Tiscareño Molina y Marquez, was their daughter.

Capitan Luis Tiscareño de Molina: Batch F868327 Film #1396258

Here’s some information about the Hacienda:

“La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique”
Aguascalientes, Ags, Mexico.

La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique debe su nombre a su cercanía con el rio del
mismo nombre. Se ubica sobre el camino real a Calvillo, camino que tambien
comunicaba con las haciendas de Gracias a Dios, San Jose de Gudalupe y el
Sauz. Fue una de las haciendas mas chicas en el estado. En 1972 tenía una
superficie de 2,600 hectáreas; habia sido propiedad del presbítero Ignacio
Rincón Gallardo, quien en 1820 la cedió como parte de un patronato benéfico
que sería administrado por el Ayntamiento de Aguascalientes. Estaba dotada
de una buenapresa, canales y acequias, además de una gran casa principal.
Apartir de 1855, el Ayuntamiento decidió venderla en fracciones. Su presa
fue traspasada en 1863 a los señores Cornú y Stiker, para formar parte de su
hacienda industrial de San Ignacio.

.com

John,

Yes, I think I have GoogleEarth. I am so technically challenged. I vaguely remember that some time ago it was you who helped me find my house here in Port Orchard from the satellite view. I was surprised that we were so close to the Pacific Ocean. It looks close, anyway, from the satellite. My MSN service also has something like GoogleEarth. Thanks again for all the info.

Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: John Gonzalez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 4:15 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] San Ignacio

Emilie:

Yes, it’s me again, John Gonzalez

Do you have Googleearth?

If you do, you can go to:

21 55′ 28.83″N 102 25′ 21.61″W

You’ll see the Dam and the town of San Ignacio! What used to be Hacienda
Nueva de Morcinique.

If you don’t have it, I highly recommend that you get it from
Googleearth.com, it is free! This view from space is a great tool for
looking and finding places all over the world. I located my GGgrandfather’s
house, just outside of Jalostotitlán, Jalisco. They have a lot of areas in
Mexico which are in high resolution, allowing you to see the streets,
buildings, and even vehicles, It includes: Jalisco, Zacatecas and
Aguascalientes , just to name a few.
Type in your address and you’ll see your house from space.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

John,

Yes, I think I have GoogleEarth. I am so technically challenged. I vaguely remember that some time ago it was you who helped me find my house here in Port Orchard from the satellite view. I was surprised that we were so close to the Pacific Ocean. It looks close, anyway, from the satellite. My MSN service also has something like GoogleEarth. Thanks again for all the info.

Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: John Gonzalez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 4:15 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] San Ignacio

Emilie:

Yes, it’s me again, John Gonzalez

Do you have Googleearth?

If you do, you can go to:

21 55′ 28.83″N 102 25′ 21.61″W

You’ll see the Dam and the town of San Ignacio! What used to be Hacienda
Nueva de Morcinique.

If you don’t have it, I highly recommend that you get it from
Googleearth.com, it is free! This view from space is a great tool for
looking and finding places all over the world. I located my GGgrandfather’s
house, just outside of Jalostotitlán, Jalisco. They have a lot of areas in
Mexico which are in high resolution, allowing you to see the streets,
buildings, and even vehicles, It includes: Jalisco, Zacatecas and
Aguascalientes , just to name a few.
Type in your address and you’ll see your house from space.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

Thanks again, John,

Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: John Gonzalez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 3:30 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] San Ignacio

Emilie:

If you want to find out where San Ignacio is, go to Maps of Mexico, select
Aguascalientes (it is the smallest state, right in the center of Mexico)
click right on the city to zoom in, you will see San Ignacio just outside
the city limits, on the West side of Aguascalientes..

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
—– Original Message —–
From: “John Gonzalez” <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
To: <research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Info for Emilie

> Emilie:
>
> Here’s some information that I am hoping will help you.
>
> LDS Batch F868769, Film #1396289
>
> Lope de Esparza 2nd Marriage: Batch 7412803 Film #0934233
>
> Lope Ruiz de Esparza married Francisca Gabay and Lorenza, Married to
> Capitan
> Luis Tiscareño Molina y Marquez, was their daughter.
>
> Capitan Luis Tiscareño de Molina: Batch F868327 Film #1396258
>
> Here’s some information about the Hacienda:
>
> “La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique”
> Aguascalientes, Ags, Mexico.
>
> La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique debe su nombre a su cercanía con el rio
> del
> mismo nombre. Se ubica sobre el camino real a Calvillo, camino que
> tambien
> comunicaba con las haciendas de Gracias a Dios, San Jose de Gudalupe y el
> Sauz. Fue una de las haciendas mas chicas en el estado. En 1972 tenía
> una
> superficie de 2,600 hectáreas; habia sido propiedad del presbítero Ignacio
> Rincón Gallardo, quien en 1820 la cedió como parte de un patronato
> benéfico
> que sería administrado por el Ayntamiento de Aguascalientes. Estaba
> dotada
> de una buenapresa, canales y acequias, además de una gran casa principal.
> Apartir de 1855, el Ayuntamiento decidió venderla en fracciones. Su presa
> fue traspasada en 1863 a los señores Cornú y Stiker, para formar parte de
> su
> hacienda industrial de San Ignacio.
>
> .com
>

Thanks again, John,

Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: John Gonzalez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 3:30 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] San Ignacio

Emilie:

If you want to find out where San Ignacio is, go to Maps of Mexico, select
Aguascalientes (it is the smallest state, right in the center of Mexico)
click right on the city to zoom in, you will see San Ignacio just outside
the city limits, on the West side of Aguascalientes..

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
—– Original Message —–
From: “John Gonzalez” <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
To: <research@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Info for Emilie

> Emilie:
>
> Here’s some information that I am hoping will help you.
>
> LDS Batch F868769, Film #1396289
>
> Lope de Esparza 2nd Marriage: Batch 7412803 Film #0934233
>
> Lope Ruiz de Esparza married Francisca Gabay and Lorenza, Married to
> Capitan
> Luis Tiscareño Molina y Marquez, was their daughter.
>
> Capitan Luis Tiscareño de Molina: Batch F868327 Film #1396258
>
> Here’s some information about the Hacienda:
>
> “La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique”
> Aguascalientes, Ags, Mexico.
>
> La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique debe su nombre a su cercanía con el rio
> del
> mismo nombre. Se ubica sobre el camino real a Calvillo, camino que
> tambien
> comunicaba con las haciendas de Gracias a Dios, San Jose de Gudalupe y el
> Sauz. Fue una de las haciendas mas chicas en el estado. En 1972 tenía
> una
> superficie de 2,600 hectáreas; habia sido propiedad del presbítero Ignacio
> Rincón Gallardo, quien en 1820 la cedió como parte de un patronato
> benéfico
> que sería administrado por el Ayntamiento de Aguascalientes. Estaba
> dotada
> de una buenapresa, canales y acequias, además de una gran casa principal.
> Apartir de 1855, el Ayuntamiento decidió venderla en fracciones. Su presa
> fue traspasada en 1863 a los señores Cornú y Stiker, para formar parte de
> su
> hacienda industrial de San Ignacio.
>
> .com
>