While researching the ancestry of my fifth great-grandmother Lorenza de Aguilar y García de Alba (born 1740 in Cocula, Jalisco), I discovered that she descended through her maternal line from Francis
While researching the ancestry of my fifth great-grandmother Lorenza de Aguilar y García de Alba (born 1740 in Cocula, Jalisco), I discovered that she descended through her maternal line from Francisco García de Alba, who in 1563, was granted land in Ayutla, Jalisco by the second Viceroy of New Spain. According to Jesús Amaya Topete, historian of Ameca, the García de Alba family “flooded” places such as Ahualulco, Ameca, Autlán, Ejutla, and Tecolotlán and Cocula as well. Francisco García de Alba’s great-grandson of the same name married Casilda de Ortega Maldonado, who was related to the Topete family of Ameca.
Does anyone also descend from this family?
I’m also trying to look for the book “Ameca, protofundación mexicana”, which is the brilliant work of Jesús Amaya Topete, and which contains more information on this family. Does anyone know where I could buy it from?
I have Francisco Garcia de alba Ruiz married to Mariana Clara Casilda
Ortega Maldonado as parents of Fernando Garcia de Alba Ortega (born 25
april 1671 tecolotlan) that married Clara Guzman, their daughter Clara
Garcia de Alba Guzman married Antonio Cobian on feb 14 1733 in Ejutla they
are my 9th. direct antecesors.
And they are related to the Michel, Santaana, Covian, and serveral other
families in the area…
Do you have the link between Francisco Garcia de Alba and the one you
called his great grand son that I have in my tree.
Let me if I can find that book I am sure I would be very interesting for my
own research!
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:34 AM, wrote:
> While researching the ancestry of my fifth great-grandmother Lorenza de
> Aguilar y García de Alba (born 1740 in Cocula, Jalisco), I discovered that
> she descended through her maternal line from Francisco García de Alba, who
> in 1563, was granted land in Ayutla, Jalisco by the second Viceroy of New
> Spain. According to Jesús Amaya Topete, historian of Ameca, the García de
> Alba family “flooded” places such as Ahualulco, Ameca, Autlán, Ejutla, and
> Tecolotlán and Cocula as well. Francisco García de Alba’s great-grandson of
> the same name married Casilda de Ortega Maldonado, who was related to the
> Topete family of Ameca.
> Does anyone also descend from this family?
> I’m also trying to look for the book “Ameca, protofundación mexicana”,
> which is the brilliant work of Jesús Amaya Topete, and which contains more
> information on this family. Does anyone know where I could buy it from?
Hello Marthaharo, and thank you for replying!
I descend directly from Manuel García de Alba y Ortega (born in 1678 in Ameca), the son of Francisco García de Alba and Casilda de Ortega Maldonado. Manuel married Nicolasa Santa Ana in 1704 in Tecolotlán. Their daughter, Casilda García de Alba y Santa Ana (named after her paternal grandmother, matronymic), married Juan Martín de Aguilar of Cocula. Juan Martín and Casilda had Lorenza de Aguilar y García de Alba, my fifth great-grandmother.
As Amaya Topete describes in his book, the first patriarch of the family was Francisco García de Alba who lived in Ayutla during the 16th century, and whose descendants spread all over central Jalisco. I found this out, because when searching for Francisco García de Alba in Google Books, an excerpt came up with these words and attributing as a preview of “Ameca, protofundación mexicana” by Amaya Topete.
Here’s the excerpt:
“Un patriarca de la región, don Francisco García de Alba, se instaló por 1563 en la villa de San Miguel (Ayutla), por merced que le hizo el primer virrey Velasco, de tierras “en la parte y lugar donde hubiere”,
En 1693, el bisnieto homónimo [which means “of the same name”] de García de Alba agregó a la propiedad heredada, otra colindante, que por cien pesos le mercedó el virrey conde de Galve; había casado con una señora Ortega Maldonado [which is Casilda] tía de los Topete,”
And here are the links to the excerpt:
Each of us benefits when we work together–and this is a major find. Thank you for sharing.
I too have this line through Francisco and Casilda’s son: Fernando Garcia de Alba and Clara Gusman de Velasco. I checked on this book (Ameca Protofundacion Mexicana; by Jesus Amaya Topete) and it is currently unavailable for sale anywhere, but there is a copy at UC Berkley–I’m not sure if they would allow a loan.
I know that many of us have Garcia de Alba lines and also Gomes, Michel, Dias, Cobian, and others from this area–this information would be extremely helpful.
Thank you
Deedra Corona
Books that are listed as out of print, etc may be true. When this is the case you need to hunt down private collectors or private libraries that are selling the book. With luck any book can be located. I found a copy of Ameca, Protofundación Mexicana por Amaya, Jesús. It is quite a bit of money, about $400 it ships from Mexico City, Librería Tardes en la Alameda.
Here is the link:
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/AMECA-PROTOFUNDACI%C3%93N-MEXICANA-Historia-propiedad-valle/1378008608/bd
Saludos,
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
Río de Janeiro, Brasil
o puedo ir a buscarlo ja!!!, gracias Daniel a ver si me doy una vueltita el
fin de semana igual y me sirve de paseo
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:46 AM, wrote:
> Books that are listed as out of print, etc may be true. When this is the
> case you need to hunt down private collectors or private libraries that are
> selling the book. With luck any book can be located. I found a copy of
> Ameca, Protofundación Mexicana por Amaya, Jesús. It is quite a bit of
> money, about $400 it ships from Mexico City, Librería Tardes en la Alameda.
>
> Here is the link:
> http://www.abebooks.co.uk/**AMECA-PROTOFUNDACI%C3%93N-**
> MEXICANA-Historia-propiedad-**valle/1378008608/bd
>
> Saludos,
> Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
> Río de Janeiro, Brasil
>
>
De nada Patty,
Tu primo,
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
Río de Janeiro, Brasil
I photocopied the book you are looking for in the early 1990’s. It was at the library in Juchitlán, where my family is from. If there is any information you would like from the book I would be more than happy to get it for you.
I also descend from the Garcia de Alba line from Tecolotlán.
Mabel Covarrubias de Doucette
Hello Mabel,
Several of us have the same Garcia de Alba line. Does the book provide any more detail to the information than what was already mentioned, such as the names or dates of the other descendants? What other families are mentioned? How many pages does the book contain?
Thank you for this wonderful offer.
Deedra
I am very grateful for my copy. It cost me, no lie, about $14.00 dollars. It’s the 1951 edition. The quality of the paper is not that great since it’s post WWII paper. The paper looks almost tan. The central public Library in Los Angeles has a copy in the genealogy reference section. I had been photocopying that book until I got my copy.
If you want, shoot me an email on the particular surname that interests you and I will scan those pages that refer. The book has two major sections. The first part deals with Spanish land grants, who inhereted what, sold what to whom, some quotations from last wills and testaments (where the genealogy gems come from). The second part of the book is entitled Bioteca de Occidente Conquistadores y Conquista Fundadores y Fundaciones Pobladores y Plobazones – Incluso lo de Ameca.
P 67 of this second section for Garcia de Alba reads as follows:
GARCIA DE ALBA, CAP. JUAN – Originario de Tecolotlan hijo de Francisco Garcia de Alba y de Casilda de Ortega Y Maldonado. Era vecino de Ameca en 1695 y actuo como apuntador en la medicion del sitio de Amequilla. Caso con Juana Robles Rico, tataranieta de Luis de Ahumada, y uno de sus hijos fue el reverendo Juan Garcia de Alba, sacerdote Jesuita, telogo en Guatemala y autor sagrado. Testo y murio en 1738.
Hi Deedra,
It seems that I do not have the ability to upload content to Nuestros Ranchos, otherwise I would have uploaded the pages where the GARCIA DE ALBA are mentioned in the book Ameca Protofundacion.
In addition to the direct quote provided in another post, the GARCIA DE ALBA are mentioned in pages 220 (two instances), p.233 and p. 261.
I will scan these pages sometime next week for you and we will find a way to get them to you so you.
topete
See page 67 for exact details http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20833
I have a Juan Garcia de Alva married to a Rosa de la Cueva, and they had a daughter named Damiana Vicencia Garcia de Alva born on 23 Sep 1743 in Ejutla. Damiana married Francisco Moscoso Gonzalez-Corona on 15 Dec 1766 in Autlan. Does anyone have the parents for Juan Garcia de Alva that might connect him with the already mentioned Garcia de Alvas?
Thanks!
Sergio Salés
I believe I have the same couple as you: Here is the marriage I have:
14 April, 1738
Page 75
Image 392
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18715-15394-58?cc=1874591&wc=12509487
Rosa was the first wife and Juan Francisco later married Josefa Rosales:
19 February, 1746
Page 44, #212
Image 60
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18567-3932-9?cc=1874591&wc=12504040
This is the baptism I have for Juan Francisco:
12 October, 1717
Page 58
Image 337
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-66057-35?cc=1874591&wc=12508783
His Burial:
13 February, 1773
Page 26
Image 76
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18562-7901-48?cc=1874591&wc=12503947
Hope this is helpful–if this is the same Juan then you and my husband are related!!! Contact me for any questions
Deedra Corona
Thanks Deedra,
That was extremely helpful! My only question is why you determined that Juan and Francisco Garcia de Alva are the same person rather than brothers? If they are the same person, I am wondering why at his second marriage they did not mention his first wife? Usually they say that a person was married and give the name of the dead spouse.
Thanks again!
Sergio Salés
