Please do, Sally, I would love to have it…thank you so much. I think
you and I are both descended from Pedro Bañuelos Chaves and Agueda de
Olague but their son Francisco and his wife, Clara Reyes, are my
ancestors. Thanks again! Marge:)
On Apr 28, 2006, at 3:52 PM, Sally Quinones wrote:
> Margarita,
>
> I have 2 dispensas that give the parents name for Pedro Chavez
> Bañuelos.
> they are Juan Chavez Banuelos and Ysabel Soto Almeida. Pedro is my
> descendant also. I also have a death date for his mother 2 Nov 1697 in
> Jerez, Zac.
> Would be glad to send you copies if you like.
>
> Sally
>
> Margarita Vallazza wrote:
> I’m a descendant of Pedro de Chabes Bañuelos and Agueda Olague; it’s
> possible that his father was also a Pedro de Chabes Bañuelos. Could
> you send me the info on that couple in 1637 below? I’d surely
> appreciate it. Marge:)
> On Apr 10, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Arturo Ramos wrote:
>
>> I have begun to systematically go through film 0443967 (Tlaltenango
>> Matrimonios 1626-1723) since the film is not indexed. I am up to
>> about 1642 now and about 80-90% of the marriages are for Indios with
>> no surnames. However, there are a few indios with surnames and a few
>> Spanish marriages interspersed there and I imagine that will increase
>> as I go further in time on the film.
>>
>> If anybody has any families/lineages that they want me to keep an eye
>> open for while I do this, please let me know.
>>
>> I have run across the following thus far. If you would like further
>> details on any of these marriages let me know.
>>
>> 1629 Juan Garcia de Miramontes con Ana de Lopez
>> 1629 Pablo de Ortiz con Ynez de Saucedo
>> 1630 Juan de Frias Vandal con Alfonsina de la Paz
>> 1630 Manuel Diaz con Maria Ruiz
>> 1632 Jacintro de Lamas con Mariana Rodriguez
>> 1632 Juan de Isabel Pinedo con Juana de Castro
>> 1632 Antonio de Ribera con Maria de Solis
>> 1633 Gerardo Cardosso con Catalina de Haro
>> 1633 Pablo Flores de la Torre con Clara de Miramontes
>> 1634 Juan de Vera con Maria de Miramontes
>> 1634 Juan Sanchez con Tomasina Saucedo
>> 1634 Juan Gallardo con Maria Delgado
>> 1636 Rodrigo de Castro con Francisca de Rodas
>> 1637 Pedro de Chabes Banuelos con Catalina de Haro
>> 1638 Benito Gonzalez con Mariana Lopez
>> 1638 Juan Ruiz con Marta de Bobadilla
>> 1638 Francisco de Guzman con Catalina Gonzalez
>> 1639 Gerardo de Lamas con Leonor Ortiz
>> 1642 Antonio Lopez de la O con Maria Perez
>> 1644 Joseph Munoz con Maria Cid
>> 1644 Nicolas Perez con Gertrudis de Haro
Please do, Sally, I would love to have it…thank you so much. I think
you and I are both descended from Pedro Bañuelos Chaves and Agueda de
Olague but their son Francisco and his wife, Clara Reyes, are my
ancestors. Thanks again! Marge:)
On Apr 28, 2006, at 3:52 PM, Sally Quinones wrote:
> Margarita,
>
> I have 2 dispensas that give the parents name for Pedro Chavez
> Bañuelos.
> they are Juan Chavez Banuelos and Ysabel Soto Almeida. Pedro is my
> descendant also. I also have a death date for his mother 2 Nov 1697 in
> Jerez, Zac.
> Would be glad to send you copies if you like.
>
> Sally
>
> Margarita Vallazza wrote:
> I’m a descendant of Pedro de Chabes Bañuelos and Agueda Olague; it’s
> possible that his father was also a Pedro de Chabes Bañuelos. Could
> you send me the info on that couple in 1637 below? I’d surely
> appreciate it. Marge:)
> On Apr 10, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Arturo Ramos wrote:
>
>> I have begun to systematically go through film 0443967 (Tlaltenango
>> Matrimonios 1626-1723) since the film is not indexed. I am up to
>> about 1642 now and about 80-90% of the marriages are for Indios with
>> no surnames. However, there are a few indios with surnames and a few
>> Spanish marriages interspersed there and I imagine that will increase
>> as I go further in time on the film.
>>
>> If anybody has any families/lineages that they want me to keep an eye
>> open for while I do this, please let me know.
>>
>> I have run across the following thus far. If you would like further
>> details on any of these marriages let me know.
>>
>> 1629 Juan Garcia de Miramontes con Ana de Lopez
>> 1629 Pablo de Ortiz con Ynez de Saucedo
>> 1630 Juan de Frias Vandal con Alfonsina de la Paz
>> 1630 Manuel Diaz con Maria Ruiz
>> 1632 Jacintro de Lamas con Mariana Rodriguez
>> 1632 Juan de Isabel Pinedo con Juana de Castro
>> 1632 Antonio de Ribera con Maria de Solis
>> 1633 Gerardo Cardosso con Catalina de Haro
>> 1633 Pablo Flores de la Torre con Clara de Miramontes
>> 1634 Juan de Vera con Maria de Miramontes
>> 1634 Juan Sanchez con Tomasina Saucedo
>> 1634 Juan Gallardo con Maria Delgado
>> 1636 Rodrigo de Castro con Francisca de Rodas
>> 1637 Pedro de Chabes Banuelos con Catalina de Haro
>> 1638 Benito Gonzalez con Mariana Lopez
>> 1638 Juan Ruiz con Marta de Bobadilla
>> 1638 Francisco de Guzman con Catalina Gonzalez
>> 1639 Gerardo de Lamas con Leonor Ortiz
>> 1642 Antonio Lopez de la O con Maria Perez
>> 1644 Joseph Munoz con Maria Cid
>> 1644 Nicolas Perez con Gertrudis de Haro
Margarita,
Please send me your address to my e-mail as I have no other way of sending you this information. I will send you everthing I have on Pedro Chavez Bañuelos.
I also have a dispensa that I think may be Pedro’s grandparents but have’nt 100% proof yet. I’ll send that also. My ancestors are also Francisco Chavez and Clara de los Reyes.
Sally
Margarita Vallazza wrote:
Please do, Sally, I would love to have it…thank you so much. I think
you and I are both descended from Pedro Bañuelos Chaves and Agueda de
Olague but their son Francisco and his wife, Clara Reyes, are my
ancestors. Thanks again! Marge:)
On Apr 28, 2006, at 3:52 PM, Sally Quinones wrote:
> Margarita,
>
> I have 2 dispensas that give the parents name for Pedro Chavez
> Bañuelos.
> they are Juan Chavez Banuelos and Ysabel Soto Almeida. Pedro is my
> descendant also. I also have a death date for his mother 2 Nov 1697 in
> Jerez, Zac.
> Would be glad to send you copies if you like.
>
> Sally
>
> Margarita Vallazza wrote:
> I’m a descendant of Pedro de Chabes Bañuelos and Agueda Olague; it’s
> possible that his father was also a Pedro de Chabes Bañuelos. Could
> you send me the info on that couple in 1637 below? I’d surely
> appreciate it. Marge:)
> On Apr 10, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Arturo Ramos wrote:
>
>> I have begun to systematically go through film 0443967 (Tlaltenango
>> Matrimonios 1626-1723) since the film is not indexed. I am up to
>> about 1642 now and about 80-90% of the marriages are for Indios with
>> no surnames. However, there are a few indios with surnames and a few
>> Spanish marriages interspersed there and I imagine that will increase
>> as I go further in time on the film.
>>
>> If anybody has any families/lineages that they want me to keep an eye
>> open for while I do this, please let me know.
>>
>> I have run across the following thus far. If you would like further
>> details on any of these marriages let me know.
>>
>> 1629 Juan Garcia de Miramontes con Ana de Lopez
>> 1629 Pablo de Ortiz con Ynez de Saucedo
>> 1630 Juan de Frias Vandal con Alfonsina de la Paz
>> 1630 Manuel Diaz con Maria Ruiz
>> 1632 Jacintro de Lamas con Mariana Rodriguez
>> 1632 Juan de Isabel Pinedo con Juana de Castro
>> 1632 Antonio de Ribera con Maria de Solis
>> 1633 Gerardo Cardosso con Catalina de Haro
>> 1633 Pablo Flores de la Torre con Clara de Miramontes
>> 1634 Juan de Vera con Maria de Miramontes
>> 1634 Juan Sanchez con Tomasina Saucedo
>> 1634 Juan Gallardo con Maria Delgado
>> 1636 Rodrigo de Castro con Francisca de Rodas
>> 1637 Pedro de Chabes Banuelos con Catalina de Haro
>> 1638 Benito Gonzalez con Mariana Lopez
>> 1638 Juan Ruiz con Marta de Bobadilla
>> 1638 Francisco de Guzman con Catalina Gonzalez
>> 1639 Gerardo de Lamas con Leonor Ortiz
>> 1642 Antonio Lopez de la O con Maria Perez
>> 1644 Joseph Munoz con Maria Cid
>> 1644 Nicolas Perez con Gertrudis de Haro
Margarita,
Please send me your address to my e-mail as I have no other way of sending you this information. I will send you everthing I have on Pedro Chavez Bañuelos.
I also have a dispensa that I think may be Pedro’s grandparents but have’nt 100% proof yet. I’ll send that also. My ancestors are also Francisco Chavez and Clara de los Reyes.
Sally
Margarita Vallazza wrote:
Please do, Sally, I would love to have it…thank you so much. I think
you and I are both descended from Pedro Bañuelos Chaves and Agueda de
Olague but their son Francisco and his wife, Clara Reyes, are my
ancestors. Thanks again! Marge:)
On Apr 28, 2006, at 3:52 PM, Sally Quinones wrote:
> Margarita,
>
> I have 2 dispensas that give the parents name for Pedro Chavez
> Bañuelos.
> they are Juan Chavez Banuelos and Ysabel Soto Almeida. Pedro is my
> descendant also. I also have a death date for his mother 2 Nov 1697 in
> Jerez, Zac.
> Would be glad to send you copies if you like.
>
> Sally
>
> Margarita Vallazza wrote:
> I’m a descendant of Pedro de Chabes Bañuelos and Agueda Olague; it’s
> possible that his father was also a Pedro de Chabes Bañuelos. Could
> you send me the info on that couple in 1637 below? I’d surely
> appreciate it. Marge:)
> On Apr 10, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Arturo Ramos wrote:
>
>> I have begun to systematically go through film 0443967 (Tlaltenango
>> Matrimonios 1626-1723) since the film is not indexed. I am up to
>> about 1642 now and about 80-90% of the marriages are for Indios with
>> no surnames. However, there are a few indios with surnames and a few
>> Spanish marriages interspersed there and I imagine that will increase
>> as I go further in time on the film.
>>
>> If anybody has any families/lineages that they want me to keep an eye
>> open for while I do this, please let me know.
>>
>> I have run across the following thus far. If you would like further
>> details on any of these marriages let me know.
>>
>> 1629 Juan Garcia de Miramontes con Ana de Lopez
>> 1629 Pablo de Ortiz con Ynez de Saucedo
>> 1630 Juan de Frias Vandal con Alfonsina de la Paz
>> 1630 Manuel Diaz con Maria Ruiz
>> 1632 Jacintro de Lamas con Mariana Rodriguez
>> 1632 Juan de Isabel Pinedo con Juana de Castro
>> 1632 Antonio de Ribera con Maria de Solis
>> 1633 Gerardo Cardosso con Catalina de Haro
>> 1633 Pablo Flores de la Torre con Clara de Miramontes
>> 1634 Juan de Vera con Maria de Miramontes
>> 1634 Juan Sanchez con Tomasina Saucedo
>> 1634 Juan Gallardo con Maria Delgado
>> 1636 Rodrigo de Castro con Francisca de Rodas
>> 1637 Pedro de Chabes Banuelos con Catalina de Haro
>> 1638 Benito Gonzalez con Mariana Lopez
>> 1638 Juan Ruiz con Marta de Bobadilla
>> 1638 Francisco de Guzman con Catalina Gonzalez
>> 1639 Gerardo de Lamas con Leonor Ortiz
>> 1642 Antonio Lopez de la O con Maria Perez
>> 1644 Joseph Munoz con Maria Cid
>> 1644 Nicolas Perez con Gertrudis de Haro
Hi Ullabritt:
Are there any “Perez” in your family? It is hard to say without looking at
the original, looks like it could be “Perez”.
John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net
From: “ullabritt”
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:22 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] marriage of 1712,Tlaltenango
>
> Hi, I have just read the marriage information entry on F 443843 about
> Fransisco Antonio De MIRAMONTES and Salbadora DE LLAMAS., Mars 6,1712.
> Father of Fransisco is Fransisco P? de Miramontes. I could not read what
> P was standing for. It was abreviated and looked like Poiez….? I could
> use help with that name!. His mother was Ana Diaz.
> Father of Salbadora was Juan de Llamas and mother was listed to be
> Isabel de Mondragon. They lived in the vicinity of Taltenango.
> ullabritt
Hi Ullabritt:
Are there any “Perez” in your family? It is hard to say without looking at
the original, looks like it could be “Perez”.
John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net
From: “ullabritt”
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:22 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] marriage of 1712,Tlaltenango
>
> Hi, I have just read the marriage information entry on F 443843 about
> Fransisco Antonio De MIRAMONTES and Salbadora DE LLAMAS., Mars 6,1712.
> Father of Fransisco is Fransisco P? de Miramontes. I could not read what
> P was standing for. It was abreviated and looked like Poiez….? I could
> use help with that name!. His mother was Ana Diaz.
> Father of Salbadora was Juan de Llamas and mother was listed to be
> Isabel de Mondragon. They lived in the vicinity of Taltenango.
> ullabritt
Margarita,
Do you have the name of the wife of Pedro Chavez y Banuelos. I have that he
was the son of Juan Chavez y Banuelos and Ysabel Soto Almeida, but I don’t
have the name of his wife.
susana leniski
Margarita,
Do you have the name of the wife of Pedro Chavez y Banuelos. I have that he
was the son of Juan Chavez y Banuelos and Ysabel Soto Almeida, but I don’t
have the name of his wife.
susana leniski
His wife was Agueda de Olague–her parents were Miguel Olague (Etualin)
and Juana de la Torre (del Rio).
On Apr 29, 2006, at 7:44 PM, Susana Leniski wrote:
> Margarita,
>
> Do you have the name of the wife of Pedro Chavez y Banuelos. I have
> that he
> was the son of Juan Chavez y Banuelos and Ysabel Soto Almeida, but I
> don’t
> have the name of his wife.
>
> susana leniski
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Sally Quinones”
> To:
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tlaltenango Marriages 1600s
>
>
> Margarita,
>
> I have 2 dispensas that give the parents name for Pedro Chavez
> Bañuelos.
> they are Juan Chavez Banuelos and Ysabel Soto Almeida. Pedro is my
> descendant also. I also have a death date for his mother 2 Nov 1697 in
> Jerez, Zac.
> Would be glad to send you copies if you like.
>
>
>
>
His wife was Agueda de Olague–her parents were Miguel Olague (Etualin)
and Juana de la Torre (del Rio).
On Apr 29, 2006, at 7:44 PM, Susana Leniski wrote:
> Margarita,
>
> Do you have the name of the wife of Pedro Chavez y Banuelos. I have
> that he
> was the son of Juan Chavez y Banuelos and Ysabel Soto Almeida, but I
> don’t
> have the name of his wife.
>
> susana leniski
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Sally Quinones”
> To:
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tlaltenango Marriages 1600s
>
>
> Margarita,
>
> I have 2 dispensas that give the parents name for Pedro Chavez
> Bañuelos.
> they are Juan Chavez Banuelos and Ysabel Soto Almeida. Pedro is my
> descendant also. I also have a death date for his mother 2 Nov 1697 in
> Jerez, Zac.
> Would be glad to send you copies if you like.
>
>
>
>
Susana,
I have Pedro Chavez Bañuelos wife as Agueda Olague Etulain. her parents Miguel Olague Etulain and Juana De La Torre .His parents Cap. Juan Chavez Bañuelos and Ysabel Soto Almeida. I also seen both daughter and mother with the surname Del Rio.
About a year or more ago I found in Salvador Cabral Valdez website notes that gave the marriage information for Pedro and Agueda it has them married on 8 Dec 1681 with a dispensa in the 3 with 4 grado on 13 Nov 1681 . These notes state who were the testigos and the following.
(Esta partida esta sentada en el libro don de se sientan los casamientos de los espanols) This dispensa does not appear in Maria de la Luz Montejano Hilton’s book
of dispensas. Is there some other book of marriages for espanols????
These notes are no longer on Salvador’s website. I also wrote to Salvador and never got a response.
Sally
Susana Leniski wrote:
Margarita,
Do you have the name of the wife of Pedro Chavez y Banuelos. I have that he
was the son of Juan Chavez y Banuelos and Ysabel Soto Almeida, but I don’t
have the name of his wife.
susana leniski
Susana,
I have Pedro Chavez Bañuelos wife as Agueda Olague Etulain. her parents Miguel Olague Etulain and Juana De La Torre .His parents Cap. Juan Chavez Bañuelos and Ysabel Soto Almeida. I also seen both daughter and mother with the surname Del Rio.
About a year or more ago I found in Salvador Cabral Valdez website notes that gave the marriage information for Pedro and Agueda it has them married on 8 Dec 1681 with a dispensa in the 3 with 4 grado on 13 Nov 1681 . These notes state who were the testigos and the following.
(Esta partida esta sentada en el libro don de se sientan los casamientos de los espanols) This dispensa does not appear in Maria de la Luz Montejano Hilton’s book
of dispensas. Is there some other book of marriages for espanols????
These notes are no longer on Salvador’s website. I also wrote to Salvador and never got a response.
Sally
Susana Leniski wrote:
Margarita,
Do you have the name of the wife of Pedro Chavez y Banuelos. I have that he
was the son of Juan Chavez y Banuelos and Ysabel Soto Almeida, but I don’t
have the name of his wife.
susana leniski
Sally and Margarita,
Thank-you for the information. I found in my notes, a transcription of the
record:
CHAVEZ BAÑUELOS PEDRO DE, originario y vecino de la villa de Jerez, hijo
legítimo del Capitán Juan de Chávez Bañuelos y de doña Isabel de Soto y
Almeida, vecinos de la villa de Jerez. Pretende contraer matrimonio
eclesiástico en Jerez con doña Águeda del Río, originaria y vecina de la
villa de Jerez, hija legítima de Miguel de Olague y de doña Juana del Río,
vecinos y feligreses del partido de Jerez. Testigos: 1.- Capitán Pedro de la
Torre Gamboa, de 30 años de edad, vecino de la villa de Jerez y Teniente
General en la jurisdicción de Jerez. Declaró ser deudo de los pretensos.
Firmó. 2.- Antonio Flores, español, vecinos de la villa de Jerez. Dijo
conocer a los pretensos desde hace 16 años. Firmó. 3.- Mateo del Río, de 60
años de edad, vecino de la villa de Jerez. Pariente en tercer grado de la
contrayente. Firmó. Dispensa de matrimonio por impedimento de tercero con
cuarto grado de sangre, dada en la hacienda de San Antonio de los Griegos,
feligresía de El Ojo Caliente el 13 de noviembre de 1681 estando el
Ilustrísimo Señor Obispo de Guadalajara, Doctor don Juan de Santiago de León
Garabito en su actual y general Visita pastoral. Amonestados en 23, 25 (día
de Santa Catalina) y domingo 30 de noviembre, y casados en la ciudad de
Zacatecas el 8 de diciembre de 1681 por el Padre don Juan de Lara, siendo
testigos, Jacinto de Herrera, Francisco Castellón y Cristóbal Carrasco y
otras muchas personas que se hallaron presentes a dicha celebración. Esta
partida esta sentada en el libro donde se sientan los casamientos de los
españoles. Fojas: 11 – 14v.
I guess I took it from the website from Salvador, but I FILED it. I will be
in SLC in 2 weeks there I will try to get copies of this dispensation
(Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara).
Thank you again
susana
Sally and Margarita,
Thank-you for the information. I found in my notes, a transcription of the
record:
CHAVEZ BAÑUELOS PEDRO DE, originario y vecino de la villa de Jerez, hijo
legítimo del Capitán Juan de Chávez Bañuelos y de doña Isabel de Soto y
Almeida, vecinos de la villa de Jerez. Pretende contraer matrimonio
eclesiástico en Jerez con doña Águeda del Río, originaria y vecina de la
villa de Jerez, hija legítima de Miguel de Olague y de doña Juana del Río,
vecinos y feligreses del partido de Jerez. Testigos: 1.- Capitán Pedro de la
Torre Gamboa, de 30 años de edad, vecino de la villa de Jerez y Teniente
General en la jurisdicción de Jerez. Declaró ser deudo de los pretensos.
Firmó. 2.- Antonio Flores, español, vecinos de la villa de Jerez. Dijo
conocer a los pretensos desde hace 16 años. Firmó. 3.- Mateo del Río, de 60
años de edad, vecino de la villa de Jerez. Pariente en tercer grado de la
contrayente. Firmó. Dispensa de matrimonio por impedimento de tercero con
cuarto grado de sangre, dada en la hacienda de San Antonio de los Griegos,
feligresía de El Ojo Caliente el 13 de noviembre de 1681 estando el
Ilustrísimo Señor Obispo de Guadalajara, Doctor don Juan de Santiago de León
Garabito en su actual y general Visita pastoral. Amonestados en 23, 25 (día
de Santa Catalina) y domingo 30 de noviembre, y casados en la ciudad de
Zacatecas el 8 de diciembre de 1681 por el Padre don Juan de Lara, siendo
testigos, Jacinto de Herrera, Francisco Castellón y Cristóbal Carrasco y
otras muchas personas que se hallaron presentes a dicha celebración. Esta
partida esta sentada en el libro donde se sientan los casamientos de los
españoles. Fojas: 11 – 14v.
I guess I took it from the website from Salvador, but I FILED it. I will be
in SLC in 2 weeks there I will try to get copies of this dispensation
(Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara).
Thank you again
susana
Thanks for your thought abt the name Perez. We have never seen that name before in the family, this might be the first time! However, I am not convinced…..more research is needed. Ullabritt
