Gus Meza
Arturo
If you would be so kind to keep an eye for a marriage in the vicinity of 1720 or so for Nicolas Miramontes and Juana de Sandoval in Tllaltenango.
They are the parents of Lorenso de Miramontes who married Agueda de Jesus Gonsales Llamas and were married 14 Jan 1741 in Tlaltenango. Mateo de Llamas and Maria Gonsales were the parents of Agueda de Jesus Llamas.
Thanks for your offer for assistance.
Gus
Gus et al:
Before the local family history center closed for remodeling in June, I had just gotten up to about 1700 on extracting the early Tlaltenango marriage records. There is still about a quarter of the film left to go so I imagine that is where the later year marriages are, though I know that the film skips whole decades and then goes back and forth. I think the latter part of the film and the beginning part of the next film are remnants of books which encompass the late 1600s and early 1700s. Hopefully there are not too many years missing between the two.
Most of what I have is in the GEDCOM database and I have begun compiling the information for publication with a name index. I will have to decide whether to wait to finish going through the whole film before publishing or publishing what I have to date. I also would like to put together genealogies of the earliest families, i.e. Haro, Miramontes, Vergara, Covarrubias, Bugarin, etc.
If anybody is interested in collaborating on such a project, please let me know.
Hola Arturo,
I’m a direct descendant of the first family’s of Tlaltenango, Miramontes, aka Haros, Luna, Lamas, Esquivel, etc, I’ll be very glad to share what i have with you, you can contact me directly.
Anna arellano Smith
arturoramos wrote:
Gus et al:
Before the local family history center closed for remodeling in June, I had just gotten up to about 1700 on extracting the early Tlaltenango marriage records. There is still about a quarter of the film left to go so I imagine that is where the later year marriages are, though I know that the film skips whole decades and then goes back and forth. I think the latter part of the film and the beginning part of the next film are remnants of books which encompass the late 1600s and early 1700s. Hopefully there are not too many years missing between the two.
Most of what I have is in the GEDCOM database and I have begun compiling the information for publication with a name index. I will have to decide whether to wait to finish going through the whole film before publishing or publishing what I have to date. I also would like to put together genealogies of the earliest families, i.e. Haro, Miramontes, Vergara, Covarrubias, Bugarin, etc.
If anybody is interested in collaborating on such a project, please let me know.
Hi Anna…
You mentioned Luna family….I am a Luna from Tlaltenango area…I have
gotten “stuck” with my research regarding that surname….to the early
1800’s….would you mind sharing with our whole board what you have? Many of us have
been able to make family connections because we have uploaded our trees on to
this site!
Esperanza
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Hi Esperanza,
My Lunas from the 1800’s are in my file, they married into my Arellano’s, I do however have the entire line of luna’s going back to the early 1600’s but have not been able to upload my file, I don’t know what i am doing wrong. I descend from Bartolome De Luna, son of Francisco De Luna and Maria De tapia, i have some info on His brother Luis De Luna going forward to early 1700’s, my line of Luna’s in the 1800 ‘s were already in El Teul and Tepechitlan. Let me know if I can help.
Anna
Latina1955@aol.com wrote:
Hi Anna…
You mentioned Luna family….I am a Luna from Tlaltenango area…I have
gotten “stuck” with my research regarding that surname….to the early
1800’s….would you mind sharing with our whole board what you have? Many of us have
been able to make family connections because we have uploaded our trees on to
this site!
Esperanza
Chicagoland area
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Anna:
Have you seen this marriage record which lists Francisco Luna with his sister-in-law as padrinos? What is the source that you have for Bartholome’s parents’ names?
1642-11-20
Antonio López de la O español con María Pérez vecinos de dicho pueblo [de Tlaltenango]. Padrinos: Francisco Luna y Catalina Jiménez, su cuñada.
Anna:
Also, I remember reading somewhere that the Tapias, like the Haros were descendants of Pedro de Bobadilla, original encomendero of Tepechitlan.
There is a marriage register of Bartholome de Luna y Tapia, marrying a daughter of Hernando de Haro and Cecilia Lopez, which indicates they were cousins and would seem to support this theory:
1659-01-08
Cuarto grado de parentesco con dispensación. Bartholomé de Luna y Tapia, español soltero con Doña Lorenza Ortiz de San Pedro, española vuida. Padrinos Ignacio Rubio de Loyola y Isabel Tello, su mujer. Testigos Alonzo ___, Juana de Reyes y Pedro Jiménez, todos españoles y vecinos del partido.
Arturo,
Thank very much for the info, i do have that record but it does not clarify the relationship, i look up the book that Hilton published on the dispensation’s of the sagrada mitra, but there is no entry for this couple, my source for the relationship of Bartolome De Luna and Francisco De Luna is the marriage record of Luis De Luna his brother, by the way Luis De Luna married Lorenza’s sister, Josepha Ortiz De Aro, her mother Cecilia De Lopez was actually, Ortiz De San Pedro, i have no idea where de Lopez came from.
Saludos,
Anna
arturoramos wrote:
Anna:
Also, I remember reading somewhere that the Tapias, like the Haros were descendants of Pedro de Bobadilla, original encomendero of Tepechitlan.
There is a marriage register of Bartholome de Luna y Tapia, marrying a daughter of Hernando de Haro and Cecilia Lopez, which indicates they were cousins and would seem to support this theory:
1659-01-08
Cuarto grado de parentesco con dispensación. Bartholomé de Luna y Tapia, español soltero con Doña Lorenza Ortiz de San Pedro, española vuida. Padrinos Ignacio Rubio de Loyola y Isabel Tello, su mujer. Testigos Alonzo ___, Juana de Reyes y Pedro Jiménez, todos españoles y vecinos del partido.
Anna:
As you have probably figured out reading 17th Century marriage records from Mexico, it was very common for people to take their maternal last names and in fact sometimes even the last name of a grandparent not shared by either of their parents.
For example, Cecilia Lopez’s husband, Hernando de Haro was the son of Juan de Miramontes and Maria de Haro y Saucedo. I believe that his mother’s Saucedo comes from her grandmother who was also Maria de Saucedo and was married to Pedro de Bobadilla.
Likewise Cecilia Lopez’s brothers took their father’s surname, i.e. Ortiz de San Pedro, but she took another name, perhaps her mother’s?… I don’t have her mother’s name anywhere… do you? Or perhaps even a grandmother. I have anecdotally found that children were often named for a grandparent and they were given the ENTIRE name, including surname of the grandparent. For girls, this would often imply giving them the surname of their maternal grandmother!
BTW, what was the date of Luis Luna’s wedding?
Cecilia’s mothers name was Maria De Esquivel, she appears several times in the baptismal records of the early 1600’s, in the priest notes He mentions her as the mother of Cecilia DE Lopez.
arturoramos wrote:
Anna:
As you have probably figured out reading 17th Century marriage records from Mexico, it was very common for people to take their maternal last names and in fact sometimes even the last name of a grandparent not shared by either of their parents.
For example, Cecilia Lopez’s husband, Hernando de Haro was the son of Juan de Miramontes and Maria de Haro y Saucedo. I believe that his mother’s Saucedo comes from her grandmother who was also Maria de Saucedo and was married to Pedro de Bobadilla.
Likewise Cecilia Lopez’s brothers took their father’s surname, i.e. Ortiz de San Pedro, but she took another name, perhaps her mother’s?… I don’t have her mother’s name anywhere… do you? Or perhaps even a grandmother. I have anecdotally found that children were often named for a grandparent and they were given the ENTIRE name, including surname of the grandparent. For girls, this would often imply giving them the surname of their maternal grandmother!
BTW, what was the date of Luis Luna’s wedding?
Wow…I had no idea that my Luna side of the family could have been among
the first settlers! I was beginning to think that they had come from another
area…The last information I was able to personally verify was Doroteo Luna
who was born in 1819 and married Antonia Atanacia Salas in 1839. Another
member indicated that Doroteo’s father was Mauricio Luna who married Guadalupe
Magallanes.
Doroteo and Antonia had the following children:
…Juana Maria Bautista Luna Salas
…Felix Luna married in 1851 Maria de los Angeles Trejo DOB:85/1829
……Antanacio Luna: DOB: 8/15/1855 married Maria Florencia Herrera Corchado
…..Gregorio Luna DOB: 3/1885
…..Maria de la Cruz Luna
…..Pedro Luna: DOB 10/1877
…..Manuel Luna DOB:11/22/1888 married Norberta Herrera Yniguez
…..Epigmenio Luna DOB:11/1900
…..Maria Soledad Luna
…..
So, if I am understanding you correctly, it appears that paort of the De
Luna family from Tlaltenango migrated to El Teul and Tepechitlan?
It would be absolutely amazing if we can make a connection!
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Anna:
Thank you for that very useful piece of information. I have not looked at the oldest Tlaltenango baptism film, since it is indexed… I was lazy but I bet there is lots of useful information in there. The Maria de Equivel name would explain daughters of Cecilia Lopez and Hernando Haro having the name Esquivel as well… another generation skipping surname. I would venture to bet that Maria de Esquivel’s mother or perhaps Pedro Ortiz de San Pedro’s mother was named Cecilia Lopez and she was named after her grandmother.
BTW, I see Luis de Luna’s marriage on 10 April 1649, where it states his father is Francisco de Luna. If you don’t mind me further askind, where did you get that Bartholome is his brother and that their mother was Maria de Tapia?
Luis de Luna, soltero con Josepha de Esquivel, doncella, españoles vecinos de este pueblo. Fue madrina Ana de López sola por estar ausente su marido Lázaro Ortiz de San Pedro que ha de ser el padrino de la velación y testigos el bachiller Juan Gallardo, Felipe Días de Santiago, padrastro de la desposada, Francisco de Luna padre del desposado y el Capitan Jacinto León Coronado e Igancio Rubio, vecinos de este pueblo.
Gus:
You had asked a while back to keep my eye opened for a marriage in Tlaltenango between a Nicolas de Miramontes and a Juana de Sandoval. I found one between a Nicolas de Miramontes and a Juana Gonzalez… probably the same Nicolas, perhaps a different wife…
1715-03-04 Nicolás de Miramontes hijo legítimo de Lorenzo de Miramontes y de Ana Díaz, difuntos, con Juana González hija legítima de Juan González y de María Carrillo españoles y vecinos de esta feligresía. Testigos Joseph Martínez y Juan Salvador.
Does anyone know any of the other children of Lorenzo de Miramontes and
Ana Diaz?
No estoy seguro pero los nombres suenan,
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arturoramos wrote:
> Gus:
>
> You had asked a while back to keep my eye opened for a marriage in Tlaltenango between a Nicolas de Miramontes and a Juana de Sandoval. I found one between a Nicolas de Miramontes and a Juana Gonzalez… probably the same Nicolas, perhaps a different wife…
>
> 1715-03-04 Nicolás de Miramontes hijo legítimo de Lorenzo de Miramontes y de Ana Díaz, difuntos, con Juana González hija legítima de Juan González y de María Carrillo españoles y vecinos de esta feligresía. Testigos Joseph Martínez y Juan Salvador.
>
>
Hello Jospeh, I have the following names in my info. For Lorenzo Miramontes & Ana Diaz
Gus, I found some children of Nicolas and Ana Diaz…
MARGARITA MIRAMONTES DIAS
Pedigree
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
02 SEP 1670
Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father:
LORENZO DE MIRAMONTES
Family
Mother:
ANA DIAS DE SANTIAGO
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:
C600891
1630 – 1676
0443799
Film
NONE
Sheet: 00
MIGUEL MIRAMONTES SANTIAGO
Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
28 FEB 1696
Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father:
LORENSO MIRAMONTES
Family
Mother:
ANA DE SANTIAGO
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:
C600892
1691 – 1704
0443800
Film
NONE
Sheet: 00
GETRUDIS MIRAMONTEZ SANTIAGO
Pedigree
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
05 JUN 1692
Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father:
LORENZO DE MIRAMONTEZ
Family
Mother:
ANA DE SANTIAGO
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:
C600892
1691 – 1704
0443800
Film
NONE
Sheet: 00
BRIGIDA DE MIRAMONTES
Pedigree
Female
Family
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father:
LORENZO DE MIRAMONTES
Family
Mother:
ANA DE SANTIAGO
Marriages:
Spouse:
X. DE MIRAMONTES
Family
Marriage:
02 JUL 1704
Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:
M607139
1704 – 1754
0443968
Film
NONE
Sheet: 00
-Daniel Mendez del Camino
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