Sorry guys…these are also from Leon, Guanajuato, Iglesia Sagrario matrimonios, around 1662 and 1674. Trying to see If i can find something where they migrated to Jerez..

Thank you again

Amalia Hernandez Arias

Nancy Blanche Perez

Viuda means widow, also abbreviated as vd.

Amalia

Could you give a full reference, including image number?

Thank you.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

It’s too bad this isn’t in a better format. Some names might be easier to
read if it were. Jpg isn’t meant for documents.

What I could make out of the first is the following –

(torn) ? Juo [Juan] de villalpando y franca [francisca] (torn)
? ya difuntos con ursula de olaes(torn)
de ? de olaes y isabel ? ; fueon (torn)
drinos [padrinos] el alcalde nicolas de villalpando (torn)
de vielma. y por verdad lo firne en dicho dia
mes y año.

I can’t make out the first name of the father of ursula de olae, or the last
name of the mother but it looks like Cos.

It looks like a lot of people need to correct their family tree to show that
Juan de Villalpando Olaes is from León, Guanajuato.

The second document

En veinte y seis dias del Mes de julio de mil (torn)
sientos Y setenta Y quatro en esta iglecia Barro(torn)
de Leon case con lisencia del ? Cura > Don Josep(torn)
de Ulloa con Ursula de Olais viuda de Juan de Vill(torn)
se les dijo missa Y se hisierion las diligencias ?(torn)
manda el Santo Consilio fue su padrindo Antto de herr(torn)
y Doña Maria de herrera –

Viuda means widow and it is after the name of Ursula de Olais [Olaes] saying
she is the widow of Juan de Villalpando. Obviously she remarried with Joseph
de Ulloa

Saludos,
Armando

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 5:20 PM, wrote:

> I found 2 more that I would kindly like some feedback on…some of the
> words just arent clear to me…thank you!!
>
> First doc citation at the top of the page..
>
> http://i30.photobucket.com/**albums/c302/1traviesa/**
> marriageunabletoread1page.jpg
>
> Second doc citation at the bottom of the page…
>
> http://i30.photobucket.com/**albums/c302/1traviesa/**
> UrsuladeolaesmarriagetoJosephd**eUlloa16601page.jpg
>
> does anyone know what it means when they put “viuda” before a persons
> name?? — — — — — — — — — — — — —
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Its Leon Guanajuato Sagrario 1672. Page 9 on familysearch.org Matrimonios..
Amalia Hernandez Arias

I think the first one is started on another page but the book is out of order and really damaged so I don’t know which Villalpando Ursula is marrying. Her parents are Martin de Olaes and Isabel Cortes. I’m searching for her birth record to see if she is Maria Ursula because Maria is on my Juan Villalpando record. And possibly if her son Juan migrated to Jerez. I found another VillAlpando that married a Francisca but her last name is Olaes too. So I’m fully confused. Lol. Who was looking for a Marcos that father is Tomas…I found Marcos birth record in Leon.
malia Hernandez Arias

The address of the website, URL, of each document at FamilySearch can be
copied and pasted into the the messages. Each page has it’s own specific
address. It’s makes it much easier for those that want to help.

Armando

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:57 PM, wrote:

> Its Leon Guanajuato Sagrario 1672. Page 9 on familysearch.orgMatrimonios..
> Amalia Hernandez Arias
>

Ohh yeah.. gotcha.. that was right under my nose.. thank you!! This is the important one..

https://www.familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20123-20733-8?cc=1860831&wc=11690523

Amalia Hernandez Arias

There are a lot of websites, including a post by Emilie Garcia, that mention
a son of Juan de Villalpando and Ursula Olaes also named Juan de Villalpando
that was a native of la villa de leon, and a soldier of Santa Fe, [New
Mexico] when he married Ana Maria Romero, June 2, 1694.

Since both the name Ursula and the surname Olaes aren’t the most common I am
going to assume that she is the same one in the document you provided. Since
the above info also states he was from León, again I am going to make the
assumption that it is the same Ursula de Olaes. Therefore, the groom most
likely is Juan de Villalpando that Ursula de Olaes is marrying.

Armando

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 7:05 PM, wrote:

> I think the first one is started on another page but the book is out of
> order and really damaged so I don’t know which Villalpando Ursula is
> marrying. Her parents are Martin de Olaes and Isabel Cortes. I’m searching
> for her birth record to see if she is Maria Ursula because Maria is on my
> Juan Villalpando record. And possibly if her son Juan migrated to Jerez. I
> found another VillAlpando that married a Francisca but her last name is
> Olaes too. So I’m fully confused. Lol. Who was looking for a Marcos that
> father is Tomas…I found Marcos birth record in Leon. malia Hernandez Arias
>

Amalia

Thank you!

One of the advantages of having the full citation is that a larger image can be saved. From the Family Search page, the image is about 2.4M, which is considerably larger than the one you had posted. This image can then be made much larger, and easier to read.

The software I use for viewing/printing images is Picassa 3. This software is free from the Picassa website.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

I forgot to mention that the second document shows who Ursula de Olaes
married in the first document. It states it was Juan de Villalpando. His
name has the common abbreviation for Juan which is Juo. Obviously the priest
wanted the two documents near each other and he found space in the preceding
page for her second marriage and as you stated we can see the dates and
years are not in order based on the link you provided.
https://www.familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20123-20733-8?cc=1860831&wc=11690523

Armando

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Armando wrote:

> There are a lot of websites, including a post by Emilie Garcia, that
> mention a son of Juan de Villalpando and Ursula Olaes also named Juan de
> Villalpando that was a native of la villa de leon, and a soldier of Santa
> Fe, [New Mexico] when he married Ana Maria Romero, June 2, 1694.
>
> Since both the name Ursula and the surname Olaes aren’t the most common I
> am going to assume that she is the same one in the document you provided.
> Since the above info also states he was from León, again I am going to make
> the assumption that it is the same Ursula de Olaes. Therefore, the groom
> most likely is Juan de Villalpando that Ursula de Olaes is marrying.
>
> Armando
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 7:05 PM, wrote:
>
>> I think the first one is started on another page but the book is out of
>> order and really damaged so I don’t know which Villalpando Ursula is
>> marrying. Her parents are Martin de Olaes and Isabel Cortes. I’m searching
>> for her birth record to see if she is Maria Ursula because Maria is on my
>> Juan Villalpando record. And possibly if her son Juan migrated to Jerez. I
>> found another VillAlpando that married a Francisca but her last name is
>> Olaes too. So I’m fully confused. Lol. Who was looking for a Marcos that
>> father is Tomas…I found Marcos birth record in Leon. malia Hernandez Arias
>>

Amalia

I looked at the record on image 9; it seems to be an incomplete record, or perhaps not a standard marriage record. True, there are some missing parts of the page, but if it were a complete record, there should be something in the margin that I think would have been larger than the missing piece.

The record at the bottom of image 8 seems to be related. I noticed that some of the other records read “case y vele”, but this one reads only “case.”

Perhaps the image 9 record is actually the “vele” portion of the marriage. However, this word does not seem to be in the fragment of the page.

My interest in the Villalpando family is that my wife descends from Tomas (II) de Villalpando and Maria de Jaen who were married in Aguascalientes. This Tomas (II) is the son of Tomas (I) from Leon.

Tomas (I) is also the father of Marcos de Villalpando who married Maria Lopez in Leon, in 1680.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

The mother of Juan is driving me crazy…it looks like Francisca _____ Mariza. Anyone heard of any spanish names similar to this one or perhaps it the ending to what was torn off on the edge…but it starts with a capital M so im assuming thats her complete last name..Mar or Mas is that a g or an I with a Z a? help!!

Amalia Hernandez Arias

Sorry if I missed previous exchanges on your question…but where is the document located (online films ?)that you’re viewing and trying to “figure-out.”

Pat Silva Corbera

Papagaia’s Journey of Discovry

www.patriciajcorbera.com

—– Original Message —–
From: hernandezmol@msn.com
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Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 3:00:55 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Francisca ??

The mother of Juan is driving me crazy…it looks like Francisca _____ Mariza. Anyone heard of any spanish names similar to this one or perhaps it the ending to what was torn off on the edge…but it starts with a capital M so im assuming thats her complete last name..Mar or Mas is that a g or an I with a Z a? help!!

Amalia Hernandez Arias