Arturo, thanks for all our help with this. I think I’m starting to get the hang of it. I found a lot of records already, just by going on familysearch.com. I thought the info. you found was for my great-grandfather, but it turns out to be another person with the same name. Anyway, you gave some see good ideas for my search. Can I e-mail you my file so you can create a tree for me. I do want to start filling in the blanks, but for now I have some placeholders in just so you can see the names. I only put that for the deceased for which I don’t have deceased dates. Anway, maybe you can take a look at it and tell me if you think I have too little or too much on it. I think I started adding people that maybe I shouldn’t be adding yet and just concentrate on one branch, to start.
Well, again, thanks for all of your help, as well as to all the members who have already helped me so much!!!
Cristina
arturoramos wrote:
Cristina:
As I wrote in an earlier message, there are many entries in the LDS databases of the extracts from Momax and Tlaltenango for your family. I think that is where you need to focus and start ordering films that are relevant to fill in the information.
If you would like to upload a GEDCOM just let me or Joseph know and we can create a tree for you in the GEDCOM database. You do not need to log on to that database seperately. Just click on the GEDCOM menu item once you have logged into Nuestros Ranchos. You can only read records unless we create a special tree for you to upload and edit records.
See the record I found for one of your ancestor’s marriage. This would be a good film to order so that you can find the names of the parents of these two individuals.
ATANACIO CAMPOS
Spouse: NATIVIDAD CORNEJO
Marriage:
24 JAN 1877 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
Batch: M607146 Film: 0443974
Arturo, thanks for all our help with this. I think I’m starting to get the hang of it. I found a lot of records already, just by going on familysearch.com. I thought the info. you found was for my great-grandfather, but it turns out to be another person with the same name. Anyway, you gave some see good ideas for my search. Can I e-mail you my file so you can create a tree for me. I do want to start filling in the blanks, but for now I have some placeholders in just so you can see the names. I only put that for the deceased for which I don’t have deceased dates. Anway, maybe you can take a look at it and tell me if you think I have too little or too much on it. I think I started adding people that maybe I shouldn’t be adding yet and just concentrate on one branch, to start.
Well, again, thanks for all of your help, as well as to all the members who have already helped me so much!!!
Cristina
arturoramos wrote:
Cristina:
As I wrote in an earlier message, there are many entries in the LDS databases of the extracts from Momax and Tlaltenango for your family. I think that is where you need to focus and start ordering films that are relevant to fill in the information.
If you would like to upload a GEDCOM just let me or Joseph know and we can create a tree for you in the GEDCOM database. You do not need to log on to that database seperately. Just click on the GEDCOM menu item once you have logged into Nuestros Ranchos. You can only read records unless we create a special tree for you to upload and edit records.
See the record I found for one of your ancestor’s marriage. This would be a good film to order so that you can find the names of the parents of these two individuals.
ATANACIO CAMPOS
Spouse: NATIVIDAD CORNEJO
Marriage:
24 JAN 1877 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
Batch: M607146 Film: 0443974
Cristina:
Yes, please email me what you have and I will try to organize it for you and create an Anhentafel or register table for you to post in your file folder. Did you take the files you had in there down?
One question, why do you think that this Atanacio Campos is not your ancestor? The dates and the name of the spouse seem to match the information you provided in your first introductory email.
One rule that should always be followed is that you have to go one generation at a time. It is always tempting to skip to the next generation based on a hunch or oral history when one is stuck, but it is imperative that each generation’s link to the next is well documented. Otherwise, the basis for the genealogy falls apart.
I will send you a personal message with my email address.
Cristina:
Yes, please email me what you have and I will try to organize it for you and create an Anhentafel or register table for you to post in your file folder. Did you take the files you had in there down?
One question, why do you think that this Atanacio Campos is not your ancestor? The dates and the name of the spouse seem to match the information you provided in your first introductory email.
One rule that should always be followed is that you have to go one generation at a time. It is always tempting to skip to the next generation based on a hunch or oral history when one is stuck, but it is imperative that each generation’s link to the next is well documented. Otherwise, the basis for the genealogy falls apart.
I will send you a personal message with my email address.
Thank you so much for your willingess to help. I know that I get ahead of myself, but this is all a new experience for me and I get so excited when I see a possible ancestor. I will try to reign in my emotions, lol, and go about this a little more logically. For now, I have mostly added only that I am sure of. For example, I obtained the names from my mother first, then looked them up to verify. That is how I found additional details such as birth dates and marriage dates to add. I suppose I should just try to complete one at a time before I continue. I just felt that the more info. I had on anyone, the more leads it could provide to find the next ancestor. Anyway, I will be very patient and do as suggested and, with your help and everyone elses, I’m sure it will be for the best. As for this Atanacio Campos, the reason I know he is not my great-grandfather is because his parents’ names were Valentín Campos Campos and Cruz Mota (his full name is Atanacio Campos
Mota) and he was married to María de Jesús Campos Cornejo, hence my grandmother being a Campos Campos. 🙂 Have you noticed this occurence in your family, where you have families marrying their own relatives? My brother calls our family the “Mexican Hillbillies…” LOL! For example, my grandfather is Haro Haro and his wife, my grandmother, is Campos Campos. Already we see a pattern, yet it doesn’t stop there. My granmother turns out to me my grandfather’s distant Aunt and also his cousin, or some such strange thing…It is so hard to keep track of the connections!!!
Cristina
P.S. I did delete my files so as not to confuse anyone else!!! I will be sending you my files, shortly. Thanks, again!
arturoramos wrote:
Cristina:
Yes, please email me what you have and I will try to organize it for you and create an Anhentafel or register table for you to post in your file folder. Did you take the files you had in there down?
One question, why do you think that this Atanacio Campos is not your ancestor? The dates and the name of the spouse seem to match the information you provided in your first introductory email.
One rule that should always be followed is that you have to go one generation at a time. It is always tempting to skip to the next generation based on a hunch or oral history when one is stuck, but it is imperative that each generation’s link to the next is well documented. Otherwise, the basis for the genealogy falls apart.
I will send you a personal message with my email address.
Thank you so much for your willingess to help. I know that I get ahead of myself, but this is all a new experience for me and I get so excited when I see a possible ancestor. I will try to reign in my emotions, lol, and go about this a little more logically. For now, I have mostly added only that I am sure of. For example, I obtained the names from my mother first, then looked them up to verify. That is how I found additional details such as birth dates and marriage dates to add. I suppose I should just try to complete one at a time before I continue. I just felt that the more info. I had on anyone, the more leads it could provide to find the next ancestor. Anyway, I will be very patient and do as suggested and, with your help and everyone elses, I’m sure it will be for the best. As for this Atanacio Campos, the reason I know he is not my great-grandfather is because his parents’ names were Valentín Campos Campos and Cruz Mota (his full name is Atanacio Campos
Mota) and he was married to María de Jesús Campos Cornejo, hence my grandmother being a Campos Campos. 🙂 Have you noticed this occurence in your family, where you have families marrying their own relatives? My brother calls our family the “Mexican Hillbillies…” LOL! For example, my grandfather is Haro Haro and his wife, my grandmother, is Campos Campos. Already we see a pattern, yet it doesn’t stop there. My granmother turns out to me my grandfather’s distant Aunt and also his cousin, or some such strange thing…It is so hard to keep track of the connections!!!
Cristina
P.S. I did delete my files so as not to confuse anyone else!!! I will be sending you my files, shortly. Thanks, again!
arturoramos wrote:
Cristina:
Yes, please email me what you have and I will try to organize it for you and create an Anhentafel or register table for you to post in your file folder. Did you take the files you had in there down?
One question, why do you think that this Atanacio Campos is not your ancestor? The dates and the name of the spouse seem to match the information you provided in your first introductory email.
One rule that should always be followed is that you have to go one generation at a time. It is always tempting to skip to the next generation based on a hunch or oral history when one is stuck, but it is imperative that each generation’s link to the next is well documented. Otherwise, the basis for the genealogy falls apart.
I will send you a personal message with my email address.
Cristina:
The name “Atanacio” is very unique as is the surname “Cornejo” thus I would venture to guess that there is a high likelihood that this Natividad Cornejo is the same person as Maria de Jesus Campos Cornejo. It is not uncommon to find people changing their name during their lives or having priests write down a wrong name, having the name mistranscribed by the person extracting the records or having someone misremember a name (incorrect oral history).
The fact that you have someone with the name “Atanacio Campos” marrying someone with the surname “Cornejo” should be enough to get you to look at the record. You will note that there is another entry for an Atanacio Campos marriage in Momax a decade later. This may be the same person remarrying.
ATANASIO CAMPOS
Marriages:
Spouse: AURELIA VALDIVIA
About 20 AUG 1885 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas
Batch No. M600845 Film No. 0444019
Alternatively, the name Atanacio may be incorrect. There are several baptisms in Momax where there is an “Atilano” Campos married to a Maria Campos having children in the 1860s and 1870s:
MA. DEL CARMEN CAMPOS CAMPOS
Christening: 26 APR 1862 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas
Father: ATILANO DE CAMPOS
Mother: MARIA DE CAMPOS
Batch No. C600844 Film No. 0443990
1. MA. DEL CARMEN CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Female Christening: 26 APR 1862 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
2. REFUGIO CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Female Christening: 04 APR 1864 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
3. VALENTIN CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Male Christening: 18 DEC 1869 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
4. MARGARITA CAMPOS
Gender: Female Christening: 10 JUN 1871 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
5. BONIFACIO CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Male Christening: 07 JUN 1867 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
Cristina:
The name “Atanacio” is very unique as is the surname “Cornejo” thus I would venture to guess that there is a high likelihood that this Natividad Cornejo is the same person as Maria de Jesus Campos Cornejo. It is not uncommon to find people changing their name during their lives or having priests write down a wrong name, having the name mistranscribed by the person extracting the records or having someone misremember a name (incorrect oral history).
The fact that you have someone with the name “Atanacio Campos” marrying someone with the surname “Cornejo” should be enough to get you to look at the record. You will note that there is another entry for an Atanacio Campos marriage in Momax a decade later. This may be the same person remarrying.
ATANASIO CAMPOS
Marriages:
Spouse: AURELIA VALDIVIA
About 20 AUG 1885 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas
Batch No. M600845 Film No. 0444019
Alternatively, the name Atanacio may be incorrect. There are several baptisms in Momax where there is an “Atilano” Campos married to a Maria Campos having children in the 1860s and 1870s:
MA. DEL CARMEN CAMPOS CAMPOS
Christening: 26 APR 1862 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas
Father: ATILANO DE CAMPOS
Mother: MARIA DE CAMPOS
Batch No. C600844 Film No. 0443990
1. MA. DEL CARMEN CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Female Christening: 26 APR 1862 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
2. REFUGIO CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Female Christening: 04 APR 1864 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
3. VALENTIN CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Male Christening: 18 DEC 1869 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
4. MARGARITA CAMPOS
Gender: Female Christening: 10 JUN 1871 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
5. BONIFACIO CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Male Christening: 07 JUN 1867 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
Hi, Arturo. One thing is for sure. Although the Atanacio Campos that married Natividad Cornejo is not my great-grandfather as I actually met him and my mom lived with him and her grandmother, María de Jesús Campos Cornejo (called “‘Amá Chuche” by her) so he could not have lived that long, I do know that you just gave me a good deal of missing information with your search! The information on Atiliano & María Campos are my ancestors (Atiliano de Santa Brigida Campos Álbares or Álvarez & María Apolina de Campos) as my mother had given me the names. They are my great-great-great grandparents, parents of Valentín Campos who married Cruz Mota. They are parents to my great-grandfather, Atanacio Campos. I didn’t have Valentín’s siblings name, but you just gave me a nice little gift. THANKS!
arturoramos wrote:
Cristina:
The name “Atanacio” is very unique as is the surname “Cornejo” thus I would venture to guess that there is a high likelihood that this Natividad Cornejo is the same person as Maria de Jesus Campos Cornejo. It is not uncommon to find people changing their name during their lives or having priests write down a wrong name, having the name mistranscribed by the person extracting the records or having someone misremember a name (incorrect oral history).
The fact that you have someone with the name “Atanacio Campos” marrying someone with the surname “Cornejo” should be enough to get you to look at the record. You will note that there is another entry for an Atanacio Campos marriage in Momax a decade later. This may be the same person remarrying.
ATANASIO CAMPOS
Marriages:
Spouse: AURELIA VALDIVIA
About 20 AUG 1885 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas
Batch No. M600845 Film No. 0444019
Alternatively, the name Atanacio may be incorrect. There are several baptisms in Momax where there is an “Atilano” Campos married to a Maria Campos having children in the 1860s and 1870s:
MA. DEL CARMEN CAMPOS CAMPOS
Christening: 26 APR 1862 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas
Father: ATILANO DE CAMPOS
Mother: MARIA DE CAMPOS
Batch No. C600844 Film No. 0443990
1. MA. DEL CARMEN CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Female Christening: 26 APR 1862 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
2. REFUGIO CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Female Christening: 04 APR 1864 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
3. VALENTIN CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Male Christening: 18 DEC 1869 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
4. MARGARITA CAMPOS
Gender: Female Christening: 10 JUN 1871 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
5. BONIFACIO CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Male Christening: 07 JUN 1867 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
Hi, Arturo. One thing is for sure. Although the Atanacio Campos that married Natividad Cornejo is not my great-grandfather as I actually met him and my mom lived with him and her grandmother, María de Jesús Campos Cornejo (called “‘Amá Chuche” by her) so he could not have lived that long, I do know that you just gave me a good deal of missing information with your search! The information on Atiliano & María Campos are my ancestors (Atiliano de Santa Brigida Campos Álbares or Álvarez & María Apolina de Campos) as my mother had given me the names. They are my great-great-great grandparents, parents of Valentín Campos who married Cruz Mota. They are parents to my great-grandfather, Atanacio Campos. I didn’t have Valentín’s siblings name, but you just gave me a nice little gift. THANKS!
arturoramos wrote:
Cristina:
The name “Atanacio” is very unique as is the surname “Cornejo” thus I would venture to guess that there is a high likelihood that this Natividad Cornejo is the same person as Maria de Jesus Campos Cornejo. It is not uncommon to find people changing their name during their lives or having priests write down a wrong name, having the name mistranscribed by the person extracting the records or having someone misremember a name (incorrect oral history).
The fact that you have someone with the name “Atanacio Campos” marrying someone with the surname “Cornejo” should be enough to get you to look at the record. You will note that there is another entry for an Atanacio Campos marriage in Momax a decade later. This may be the same person remarrying.
ATANASIO CAMPOS
Marriages:
Spouse: AURELIA VALDIVIA
About 20 AUG 1885 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas
Batch No. M600845 Film No. 0444019
Alternatively, the name Atanacio may be incorrect. There are several baptisms in Momax where there is an “Atilano” Campos married to a Maria Campos having children in the 1860s and 1870s:
MA. DEL CARMEN CAMPOS CAMPOS
Christening: 26 APR 1862 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas
Father: ATILANO DE CAMPOS
Mother: MARIA DE CAMPOS
Batch No. C600844 Film No. 0443990
1. MA. DEL CARMEN CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Female Christening: 26 APR 1862 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
2. REFUGIO CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Female Christening: 04 APR 1864 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
3. VALENTIN CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Male Christening: 18 DEC 1869 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
4. MARGARITA CAMPOS
Gender: Female Christening: 10 JUN 1871 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
5. BONIFACIO CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Male Christening: 07 JUN 1867 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
I guess my screenshot did come through. 🙁 You can find it at 
?t=1168986230. It shows my entries for the people mentioned below. I had originally obtained the names from my mother and then I used familysearch.com to verify & obtain dates.
Thanks!
La Plus Belle wrote:
Hi, Arturo. One thing is for sure. Although the Atanacio Campos that married Natividad Cornejo is not my great-grandfather as I actually met him and my mom lived with him and her grandmother, María de Jesús Campos Cornejo (called “‘Amá Chuche” by her) so he could not have lived that long, I do know that you just gave me a good deal of missing information with your search! The information on Atiliano & María Campos are my ancestors (Atiliano de Santa Brigida Campos Álbares or Álvarez & María Apolina de Campos) as my mother had given me the names. They are my great-great-great grandparents, parents of Valentín Campos who married Cruz Mota. They are parents to my great-grandfather, Atanacio Campos. I didn’t have Valentín’s siblings name, but you just gave me a nice little gift. THANKS!
arturoramos wrote:
Cristina:
The name “Atanacio” is very unique as is the surname “Cornejo” thus I would venture to guess that there is a high likelihood that this Natividad Cornejo is the same person as Maria de Jesus Campos Cornejo. It is not uncommon to find people changing their name during their lives or having priests write down a wrong name, having the name mistranscribed by the person extracting the records or having someone misremember a name (incorrect oral history).
The fact that you have someone with the name “Atanacio Campos” marrying someone with the surname “Cornejo” should be enough to get you to look at the record. You will note that there is another entry for an Atanacio Campos marriage in Momax a decade later. This may be the same person remarrying.
ATANASIO CAMPOS
Marriages:
Spouse: AURELIA VALDIVIA
About 20 AUG 1885 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas
Batch No. M600845 Film No. 0444019
Alternatively, the name Atanacio may be incorrect. There are several baptisms in Momax where there is an “Atilano” Campos married to a Maria Campos having children in the 1860s and 1870s:
MA. DEL CARMEN CAMPOS CAMPOS
Christening: 26 APR 1862 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas
Father: ATILANO DE CAMPOS
Mother: MARIA DE CAMPOS
Batch No. C600844 Film No. 0443990
1. MA. DEL CARMEN CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Female Christening: 26 APR 1862 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
2. REFUGIO CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Female Christening: 04 APR 1864 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
3. VALENTIN CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Male Christening: 18 DEC 1869 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
4. MARGARITA CAMPOS
Gender: Female Christening: 10 JUN 1871 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
5. BONIFACIO CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Male Christening: 07 JUN 1867 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
I guess my screenshot did come through. 🙁 You can find it at ?t=1168986230. It shows my entries for the people mentioned below. I had originally obtained the names from my mother and then I used familysearch.com to verify & obtain dates.
Thanks!
La Plus Belle wrote:
Hi, Arturo. One thing is for sure. Although the Atanacio Campos that married Natividad Cornejo is not my great-grandfather as I actually met him and my mom lived with him and her grandmother, María de Jesús Campos Cornejo (called “‘Amá Chuche” by her) so he could not have lived that long, I do know that you just gave me a good deal of missing information with your search! The information on Atiliano & María Campos are my ancestors (Atiliano de Santa Brigida Campos Álbares or Álvarez & María Apolina de Campos) as my mother had given me the names. They are my great-great-great grandparents, parents of Valentín Campos who married Cruz Mota. They are parents to my great-grandfather, Atanacio Campos. I didn’t have Valentín’s siblings name, but you just gave me a nice little gift. THANKS!
arturoramos wrote:
Cristina:
The name “Atanacio” is very unique as is the surname “Cornejo” thus I would venture to guess that there is a high likelihood that this Natividad Cornejo is the same person as Maria de Jesus Campos Cornejo. It is not uncommon to find people changing their name during their lives or having priests write down a wrong name, having the name mistranscribed by the person extracting the records or having someone misremember a name (incorrect oral history).
The fact that you have someone with the name “Atanacio Campos” marrying someone with the surname “Cornejo” should be enough to get you to look at the record. You will note that there is another entry for an Atanacio Campos marriage in Momax a decade later. This may be the same person remarrying.
ATANASIO CAMPOS
Marriages:
Spouse: AURELIA VALDIVIA
About 20 AUG 1885 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas
Batch No. M600845 Film No. 0444019
Alternatively, the name Atanacio may be incorrect. There are several baptisms in Momax where there is an “Atilano” Campos married to a Maria Campos having children in the 1860s and 1870s:
MA. DEL CARMEN CAMPOS CAMPOS
Christening: 26 APR 1862 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas
Father: ATILANO DE CAMPOS
Mother: MARIA DE CAMPOS
Batch No. C600844 Film No. 0443990
1. MA. DEL CARMEN CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Female Christening: 26 APR 1862 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
2. REFUGIO CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Female Christening: 04 APR 1864 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
3. VALENTIN CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Male Christening: 18 DEC 1869 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
4. MARGARITA CAMPOS
Gender: Female Christening: 10 JUN 1871 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
5. BONIFACIO CAMPOS CAMPOS
Gender: Male Christening: 07 JUN 1867 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
Cristina:
That is great that the information I gathered for you was useful. That is why it is important to show gnealogical information in a standard format and include dates whenever they are available. I was unable to decipher from your files who belonged to what generation nor did I have an idea of what years we were talking about. I suppose that the marriage between Valentin Campos and Cruz Mota was too recent to be indexed by LDS.
That means that you would have to manually look it up in the appropriate film. That should not be to difficult as by then most of the books had name indices. You should probably order Momax Film No. 444019 (Matrimonios 1776-1907). The fact that all of those marriages are on one film gives me pause and makes me think that many of the records are missing. However, there are seperate films for informacion matrimonial for most of the years. I would imagine if Valentin was born in 1867 he was married around 1892 or so.
FInding the marriage in the informacion matrimonial films is more difficult as there is more text (a couple of pages for wach marriage) and usually no indices. You would probably have to look through:
Información matrimonial 1879-1886 VAULT INTL Film
444001
Información matrimonial 1886-1894 FHL INTL Film
444002
Información matrimonial 1894-1901 FHL INTL Film
444003
Do you have the names of Cruz Mota’s parents? You can go into the FILMS section of the website and click on Zacatecas and then Momax and then click on the last baptism film. You should then be able to simply type “Mota” in the last name field and all of the Motas baptized in the given years will show up.
As an aside, you cannot put attachments on your postings. Only text shows up through email postings. If you want to share a file with the group, please upload it to either a file folder (your own genealogy or create a new one in the Books and Articles or Reference section as you see fit) or if it is a picture, the Albums section is the best place.
Good luck in your continued search.
Cristina:
That is great that the information I gathered for you was useful. That is why it is important to show gnealogical information in a standard format and include dates whenever they are available. I was unable to decipher from your files who belonged to what generation nor did I have an idea of what years we were talking about. I suppose that the marriage between Valentin Campos and Cruz Mota was too recent to be indexed by LDS.
That means that you would have to manually look it up in the appropriate film. That should not be to difficult as by then most of the books had name indices. You should probably order Momax Film No. 444019 (Matrimonios 1776-1907). The fact that all of those marriages are on one film gives me pause and makes me think that many of the records are missing. However, there are seperate films for informacion matrimonial for most of the years. I would imagine if Valentin was born in 1867 he was married around 1892 or so.
FInding the marriage in the informacion matrimonial films is more difficult as there is more text (a couple of pages for wach marriage) and usually no indices. You would probably have to look through:
Información matrimonial 1879-1886 VAULT INTL Film
444001
Información matrimonial 1886-1894 FHL INTL Film
444002
Información matrimonial 1894-1901 FHL INTL Film
444003
Do you have the names of Cruz Mota’s parents? You can go into the FILMS section of the website and click on Zacatecas and then Momax and then click on the last baptism film. You should then be able to simply type “Mota” in the last name field and all of the Motas baptized in the given years will show up.
As an aside, you cannot put attachments on your postings. Only text shows up through email postings. If you want to share a file with the group, please upload it to either a file folder (your own genealogy or create a new one in the Books and Articles or Reference section as you see fit) or if it is a picture, the Albums section is the best place.
Good luck in your continued search.
There are many reasons why the inter marriage, in most all the historical readings that I have done it truly was calculated and necessary.
Most of the conquistadors were nobles trying to reclaim their families financial to support their titles. If this was achieved it was kept in the family.
Then in addition to and separate they were hidden con versos, meaning public catholic. hidden Jew. It would take pages to explain all the reasons why, The inquisition was coming to new Spain as early as 1596– To learn more about this tragic time in history there is Cecil Roth’s works, Once I became enlightened to the whys, new doors opened up as to what i was finding in my familial search
La Plus Belle wrote:
Thank you so much for your willingess to help. I know that I get ahead of myself, but this is all a new experience for me and I get so excited when I see a possible ancestor. I will try to reign in my emotions, lol, and go about this a little more logically. For now, I have mostly added only that I am sure of. For example, I obtained the names from my mother first, then looked them up to verify. That is how I found additional details such as birth dates and marriage dates to add. I suppose I should just try to complete one at a time before I continue. I just felt that the more info. I had on anyone, the more leads it could provide to find the next ancestor. Anyway, I will be very patient and do as suggested and, with your help and everyone elses, I’m sure it will be for the best. As for this Atanacio Campos, the reason I know he is not my great-grandfather is because his parents’ names were Valentín Campos Campos and Cruz Mota (his full name is Atanacio Campos
Mota) and he was married to María de Jesús Campos Cornejo, hence my grandmother being a Campos Campos. 🙂 Have you noticed this occurence in your family, where you have families marrying their own relatives? My brother calls our family the “Mexican Hillbillies…” LOL! For example, my grandfather is Haro Haro and his wife, my grandmother, is Campos Campos. Already we see a pattern, yet it doesn’t stop there. My granmother turns out to me my grandfather’s distant Aunt and also his cousin, or some such strange thing…It is so hard to keep track of the connections!!!
Cristina
P.S. I did delete my files so as not to confuse anyone else!!! I will be sending you my files, shortly. Thanks, again!
arturoramos wrote:
Cristina:
Yes, please email me what you have and I will try to organize it for you and create an Anhentafel or register table for you to post in your file folder. Did you take the files you had in there down?
One question, why do you think that this Atanacio Campos is not your ancestor? The dates and the name of the spouse seem to match the information you provided in your first introductory email.
One rule that should always be followed is that you have to go one generation at a time. It is always tempting to skip to the next generation based on a hunch or oral history when one is stuck, but it is imperative that each generation’s link to the next is well documented. Otherwise, the basis for the genealogy falls apart.
I will send you a personal message with my email address.
