There are many reasons why the inter marriage, in most all the historical readings that I have done it truly was calculated and necessary.
Most of the conquistadors were nobles trying to reclaim their families financial to support their titles. If this was achieved it was kept in the family.
Then in addition to and separate they were hidden con versos, meaning public catholic. hidden Jew. It would take pages to explain all the reasons why, The inquisition was coming to new Spain as early as 1596– To learn more about this tragic time in history there is Cecil Roth’s works, Once I became enlightened to the whys, new doors opened up as to what i was finding in my familial search
La Plus Belle wrote:
Thank you so much for your willingess to help. I know that I get ahead of myself, but this is all a new experience for me and I get so excited when I see a possible ancestor. I will try to reign in my emotions, lol, and go about this a little more logically. For now, I have mostly added only that I am sure of. For example, I obtained the names from my mother first, then looked them up to verify. That is how I found additional details such as birth dates and marriage dates to add. I suppose I should just try to complete one at a time before I continue. I just felt that the more info. I had on anyone, the more leads it could provide to find the next ancestor. Anyway, I will be very patient and do as suggested and, with your help and everyone elses, I’m sure it will be for the best. As for this Atanacio Campos, the reason I know he is not my great-grandfather is because his parents’ names were Valentín Campos Campos and Cruz Mota (his full name is Atanacio Campos
Mota) and he was married to María de Jesús Campos Cornejo, hence my grandmother being a Campos Campos. 🙂 Have you noticed this occurence in your family, where you have families marrying their own relatives? My brother calls our family the “Mexican Hillbillies…” LOL! For example, my grandfather is Haro Haro and his wife, my grandmother, is Campos Campos. Already we see a pattern, yet it doesn’t stop there. My granmother turns out to me my grandfather’s distant Aunt and also his cousin, or some such strange thing…It is so hard to keep track of the connections!!!
Cristina
P.S. I did delete my files so as not to confuse anyone else!!! I will be sending you my files, shortly. Thanks, again!
arturoramos wrote:
Cristina:
Yes, please email me what you have and I will try to organize it for you and create an Anhentafel or register table for you to post in your file folder. Did you take the files you had in there down?
One question, why do you think that this Atanacio Campos is not your ancestor? The dates and the name of the spouse seem to match the information you provided in your first introductory email.
One rule that should always be followed is that you have to go one generation at a time. It is always tempting to skip to the next generation based on a hunch or oral history when one is stuck, but it is imperative that each generation’s link to the next is well documented. Otherwise, the basis for the genealogy falls apart.
I will send you a personal message with my email address.
Mari, thanks for sharing this insightful information. I have not traced my roots that far so I have not thought to ponder on the original reasons. I had thought that the more recent family unions were due to the fact that it was not as easy to travel long distances as it is now and, thus, people found their partners in the same small ranchos or towns and then the family kept growing in that same small area so there was more family to pick from, so to speak. That was my theory, but now I see that there are multiple factors involved…It’s interesting to think about what our ancestors might have gone through and all of the history…
mari deGuzman wrote: There are many reasons why the inter marriage, in most all the historical readings that I have done it truly was calculated and necessary.
Most of the conquistadors were nobles trying to reclaim their families financial to support their titles. If this was achieved it was kept in the family.
Then in addition to and separate they were hidden con versos, meaning public catholic. hidden Jew. It would take pages to explain all the reasons why, The inquisition was coming to new Spain as early as 1596– To learn more about this tragic time in history there is Cecil Roth’s works, Once I became enlightened to the whys, new doors opened up as to what i was finding in my familial search
La Plus Belle wrote:
Thank you so much for your willingess to help. I know that I get ahead of myself, but this is all a new experience for me and I get so excited when I see a possible ancestor. I will try to reign in my emotions, lol, and go about this a little more logically. For now, I have mostly added only that I am sure of. For example, I obtained the names from my mother first, then looked them up to verify. That is how I found additional details such as birth dates and marriage dates to add. I suppose I should just try to complete one at a time before I continue. I just felt that the more info. I had on anyone, the more leads it could provide to find the next ancestor. Anyway, I will be very patient and do as suggested and, with your help and everyone elses, I’m sure it will be for the best. As for this Atanacio Campos, the reason I know he is not my great-grandfather is because his parents’ names were Valentín Campos Campos and Cruz Mota (his full name is Atanacio Campos
Mota) and he was married to María de Jesús Campos Cornejo, hence my grandmother being a Campos Campos. 🙂 Have you noticed this occurence in your family, where you have families marrying their own relatives? My brother calls our family the “Mexican Hillbillies…” LOL! For example, my grandfather is Haro Haro and his wife, my grandmother, is Campos Campos. Already we see a pattern, yet it doesn’t stop there. My granmother turns out to me my grandfather’s distant Aunt and also his cousin, or some such strange thing…It is so hard to keep track of the connections!!!
Cristina
P.S. I did delete my files so as not to confuse anyone else!!! I will be sending you my files, shortly. Thanks, again!
arturoramos wrote:
Cristina:
Yes, please email me what you have and I will try to organize it for you and create an Anhentafel or register table for you to post in your file folder. Did you take the files you had in there down?
One question, why do you think that this Atanacio Campos is not your ancestor? The dates and the name of the spouse seem to match the information you provided in your first introductory email.
One rule that should always be followed is that you have to go one generation at a time. It is always tempting to skip to the next generation based on a hunch or oral history when one is stuck, but it is imperative that each generation’s link to the next is well documented. Otherwise, the basis for the genealogy falls apart.
I will send you a personal message with my email address.
Mari, thanks for sharing this insightful information. I have not traced my roots that far so I have not thought to ponder on the original reasons. I had thought that the more recent family unions were due to the fact that it was not as easy to travel long distances as it is now and, thus, people found their partners in the same small ranchos or towns and then the family kept growing in that same small area so there was more family to pick from, so to speak. That was my theory, but now I see that there are multiple factors involved…It’s interesting to think about what our ancestors might have gone through and all of the history…
mari deGuzman wrote: There are many reasons why the inter marriage, in most all the historical readings that I have done it truly was calculated and necessary.
Most of the conquistadors were nobles trying to reclaim their families financial to support their titles. If this was achieved it was kept in the family.
Then in addition to and separate they were hidden con versos, meaning public catholic. hidden Jew. It would take pages to explain all the reasons why, The inquisition was coming to new Spain as early as 1596– To learn more about this tragic time in history there is Cecil Roth’s works, Once I became enlightened to the whys, new doors opened up as to what i was finding in my familial search
La Plus Belle wrote:
Thank you so much for your willingess to help. I know that I get ahead of myself, but this is all a new experience for me and I get so excited when I see a possible ancestor. I will try to reign in my emotions, lol, and go about this a little more logically. For now, I have mostly added only that I am sure of. For example, I obtained the names from my mother first, then looked them up to verify. That is how I found additional details such as birth dates and marriage dates to add. I suppose I should just try to complete one at a time before I continue. I just felt that the more info. I had on anyone, the more leads it could provide to find the next ancestor. Anyway, I will be very patient and do as suggested and, with your help and everyone elses, I’m sure it will be for the best. As for this Atanacio Campos, the reason I know he is not my great-grandfather is because his parents’ names were Valentín Campos Campos and Cruz Mota (his full name is Atanacio Campos
Mota) and he was married to María de Jesús Campos Cornejo, hence my grandmother being a Campos Campos. 🙂 Have you noticed this occurence in your family, where you have families marrying their own relatives? My brother calls our family the “Mexican Hillbillies…” LOL! For example, my grandfather is Haro Haro and his wife, my grandmother, is Campos Campos. Already we see a pattern, yet it doesn’t stop there. My granmother turns out to me my grandfather’s distant Aunt and also his cousin, or some such strange thing…It is so hard to keep track of the connections!!!
Cristina
P.S. I did delete my files so as not to confuse anyone else!!! I will be sending you my files, shortly. Thanks, again!
arturoramos wrote:
Cristina:
Yes, please email me what you have and I will try to organize it for you and create an Anhentafel or register table for you to post in your file folder. Did you take the files you had in there down?
One question, why do you think that this Atanacio Campos is not your ancestor? The dates and the name of the spouse seem to match the information you provided in your first introductory email.
One rule that should always be followed is that you have to go one generation at a time. It is always tempting to skip to the next generation based on a hunch or oral history when one is stuck, but it is imperative that each generation’s link to the next is well documented. Otherwise, the basis for the genealogy falls apart.
I will send you a personal message with my email address.
Atanacio Campos (Jose Atanacio Campos Gonzalez) was son of Ramon Campos and Maria Alejandra Gonzalez my great grandparents. He was born in may 1853
Chema
