Maria and all,

It looks like this dream talking could become a reality and sure we can discuss it at our next meeting.

We have 5 dream travelers to date. I think this would make a tour, but of course we would love to have more travelers. Aside from visiting our ancestral towns and cities we can see if we coul have a guest speaker in Mexico do a presentation. Maybe we can get one of the cronistas? The dream continues…………….Yes, I do belive it would be a good topic for discussion at our next meeting.

1. Jose Aguayo,
2. Esperanza,
3. Helyn Sparkman
4. Alicia Carrillo
5. Patricia Corbera

The Dreamer,
Alicia

Alicia,

That sounds like an excellent idea. If you end up getting a group together
be sure to let us know.

How about discussing this at our next meeting? Can I add it to the agenda?

Maria

> Dream talking, huh?
>
> I love your idea….we did the same thing when we went to Puerto Vallarta
> and Cancun. We hired the driver and his van to take us around and paid
> for the
> meals (he went home at night). It wasn’t inexpensive (about $100.00 per
> day), but it was worth it because we got to hear the history of the
> towns, were
> taken places no tourists would have gone (and some places where they
> did go),
> ate area local places (both inexpensive/delicious and pricier ones).
>
> If you want to go from dreaming to reality….I would be the first to
> volunteer to go with you guys next summer. I have so wanted to see
> Tlalatenango….but most of my family members are not interested.
>
> Esperanza
>
>

Maria and all,

It looks like this dream talking could become a reality and sure we can discuss it at our next meeting.

We have 5 dream travelers to date. I think this would make a tour, but of course we would love to have more travelers. Aside from visiting our ancestral towns and cities we can see if we coul have a guest speaker in Mexico do a presentation. Maybe we can get one of the cronistas? The dream continues…………….Yes, I do belive it would be a good topic for discussion at our next meeting.

1. Jose Aguayo,
2. Esperanza,
3. Helyn Sparkman
4. Alicia Carrillo
5. Patricia Corbera

The Dreamer,
Alicia

Alicia,

That sounds like an excellent idea. If you end up getting a group together
be sure to let us know.

How about discussing this at our next meeting? Can I add it to the agenda?

Maria

> Dream talking, huh?
>
> I love your idea….we did the same thing when we went to Puerto Vallarta
> and Cancun. We hired the driver and his van to take us around and paid
> for the
> meals (he went home at night). It wasn’t inexpensive (about $100.00 per
> day), but it was worth it because we got to hear the history of the
> towns, were
> taken places no tourists would have gone (and some places where they
> did go),
> ate area local places (both inexpensive/delicious and pricier ones).
>
> If you want to go from dreaming to reality….I would be the first to
> volunteer to go with you guys next summer. I have so wanted to see
> Tlalatenango….but most of my family members are not interested.
>
> Esperanza
>
>

Hi Alicia,
Add one more to the “dream list,” my husband actually asked if he could be included when I told him about the “dream trip.”
Tino and Pat Corbera

Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Maria and all,

It looks like this dream talking could become a reality and sure we can discuss it at our next meeting.

We have 5 dream travelers to date. I think this would make a tour, but of course we would love to have more travelers. Aside from visiting our ancestral towns and cities we can see if we coul have a guest speaker in Mexico do a presentation. Maybe we can get one of the cronistas? The dream continues…………….Yes, I do belive it would be a good topic for discussion at our next meeting.

1. Jose Aguayo,
2. Esperanza,
3. Helyn Sparkman
4. Alicia Carrillo
5. Patricia Corbera

The Dreamer,
Alicia

Alicia,

That sounds like an excellent idea. If you end up getting a group together
be sure to let us know.

How about discussing this at our next meeting? Can I add it to the agenda?

Maria

> Dream talking, huh?
>
> I love your idea….we did the same thing when we went to Puerto Vallarta
> and Cancun. We hired the driver and his van to take us around and paid
> for the
> meals (he went home at night). It wasn’t inexpensive (about $100.00 per
> day), but it was worth it because we got to hear the history of the
> towns, were
> taken places no tourists would have gone (and some places where they
> did go),
> ate area local places (both inexpensive/delicious and pricier ones).
>
> If you want to go from dreaming to reality….I would be the first to
> volunteer to go with you guys next summer. I have so wanted to see
> Tlalatenango….but most of my family members are not interested.
>
> Esperanza
>
>

Hi Alicia,
Add one more to the “dream list,” my husband actually asked if he could be included when I told him about the “dream trip.”
Tino and Pat Corbera

Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Maria and all,

It looks like this dream talking could become a reality and sure we can discuss it at our next meeting.

We have 5 dream travelers to date. I think this would make a tour, but of course we would love to have more travelers. Aside from visiting our ancestral towns and cities we can see if we coul have a guest speaker in Mexico do a presentation. Maybe we can get one of the cronistas? The dream continues…………….Yes, I do belive it would be a good topic for discussion at our next meeting.

1. Jose Aguayo,
2. Esperanza,
3. Helyn Sparkman
4. Alicia Carrillo
5. Patricia Corbera

The Dreamer,
Alicia

Alicia,

That sounds like an excellent idea. If you end up getting a group together
be sure to let us know.

How about discussing this at our next meeting? Can I add it to the agenda?

Maria

> Dream talking, huh?
>
> I love your idea….we did the same thing when we went to Puerto Vallarta
> and Cancun. We hired the driver and his van to take us around and paid
> for the
> meals (he went home at night). It wasn’t inexpensive (about $100.00 per
> day), but it was worth it because we got to hear the history of the
> towns, were
> taken places no tourists would have gone (and some places where they
> did go),
> ate area local places (both inexpensive/delicious and pricier ones).
>
> If you want to go from dreaming to reality….I would be the first to
> volunteer to go with you guys next summer. I have so wanted to see
> Tlalatenango….but most of my family members are not interested.
>
> Esperanza
>
>

Depending on when you all do it, I may join you as well. As some of you know, my parents now live part time in Villa Guerrero, Jalisco now that they are retired.

I would also be more than happy to facilitate Esteban Valdes Salazar meeting and speaking with you all. He is extremely knowledgeable about the microhistory of Colotlan and Tlaltenango not to mention his native Totatiche. He is an avid genealogical researcher and has an almost infective passion for history and genealogy.

There is decent lodging in Colotlan and Totatiche. It gets a bit rougher in the smaller towns. You can probably hire a private bus for a few days to get you between places. Then you would just need a tour guide and someone to help you book lodging.

Depending on when you all do it, I may join you as well. As some of you know, my parents now live part time in Villa Guerrero, Jalisco now that they are retired.

I would also be more than happy to facilitate Esteban Valdes Salazar meeting and speaking with you all. He is extremely knowledgeable about the microhistory of Colotlan and Tlaltenango not to mention his native Totatiche. He is an avid genealogical researcher and has an almost infective passion for history and genealogy.

There is decent lodging in Colotlan and Totatiche. It gets a bit rougher in the smaller towns. You can probably hire a private bus for a few days to get you between places. Then you would just need a tour guide and someone to help you book lodging.

Arturo,

Thanks for offering up Esteban Valdes, Salazar, hopefully this will become a reality and not just a dream and if it does happen I hope you can join us. Since we are early into the dream/thought process we don’t know yet what the best time frame is for everyone. The Northern California group will meet July 29 in Brentwood and Maria Cortez has suggested that we add this Dream Trip to our agenda. Before we meet I would like to get an idea from those people who have expressed an interest in this trip to tell us what month in 2007 you would prefer. If we get a consensus or near consensus on the date or dates we can begin to discuss all the other issues and options and ideas such as guest speaker, lodging, transportation etc.

Aguascalientes and Teocaltiche also have very decent lodging as well as good eateries and as for the tour guide and ground transportation, my cousins in Nochistlan and Tlachichila can assist me with some of these details, unless someone else has other ideas or good resources.

Thanks everyone for your input.

Alicia

Depending on when you all do it, I may join you as well. As some of you know, my parents now live part time in Villa Guerrero, Jalisco now that they are retired.

I would also be more than happy to facilitate Esteban Valdes Salazar meeting and speaking with you all. He is extremely knowledgeable about the microhistory of Colotlan and Tlaltenango not to mention his native Totatiche. He is an avid genealogical researcher and has an almost infective passion for history and genealogy.

There is decent lodging in Colotlan and Totatiche. It gets a bit rougher in the smaller towns. You can probably hire a private bus for a few days to get you between places. Then you would just need a tour guide and someone to help you book lodging.

Arturo,

Thanks for offering up Esteban Valdes, Salazar, hopefully this will become a reality and not just a dream and if it does happen I hope you can join us. Since we are early into the dream/thought process we don’t know yet what the best time frame is for everyone. The Northern California group will meet July 29 in Brentwood and Maria Cortez has suggested that we add this Dream Trip to our agenda. Before we meet I would like to get an idea from those people who have expressed an interest in this trip to tell us what month in 2007 you would prefer. If we get a consensus or near consensus on the date or dates we can begin to discuss all the other issues and options and ideas such as guest speaker, lodging, transportation etc.

Aguascalientes and Teocaltiche also have very decent lodging as well as good eateries and as for the tour guide and ground transportation, my cousins in Nochistlan and Tlachichila can assist me with some of these details, unless someone else has other ideas or good resources.

Thanks everyone for your input.

Alicia

Depending on when you all do it, I may join you as well. As some of you know, my parents now live part time in Villa Guerrero, Jalisco now that they are retired.

I would also be more than happy to facilitate Esteban Valdes Salazar meeting and speaking with you all. He is extremely knowledgeable about the microhistory of Colotlan and Tlaltenango not to mention his native Totatiche. He is an avid genealogical researcher and has an almost infective passion for history and genealogy.

There is decent lodging in Colotlan and Totatiche. It gets a bit rougher in the smaller towns. You can probably hire a private bus for a few days to get you between places. Then you would just need a tour guide and someone to help you book lodging.

I am a Coloradoan who has expressed an interest in the “Dream Trip”. Best
times for me are in the months of April, June, or July. Autumn would not
work for me because I am going to Spain to do some research there.
Jose Aguayo

I am a Coloradoan who has expressed an interest in the “Dream Trip”. Best
times for me are in the months of April, June, or July. Autumn would not
work for me because I am going to Spain to do some research there.
Jose Aguayo

well not sure I am going, but things you should consider is getting some
local input on the weather. There is a hot time and a rainy time. The
rainy time could be a challenge as far as getting around. Just what I’ve
heard so maybe its not that big a deal to consider. Also at certain
times you might get the fiestas. . .maybe around Christmas time. .
.maybe Arturo knows about this.

joseph

Alicia Carrillo wrote:

>Arturo,
>
>Thanks for offering up Esteban Valdes, Salazar, hopefully this will become a reality and not just a dream and if it does happen I hope you can join us. Since we are early into the dream/thought process we don’t know yet what the best time frame is for everyone. The Northern California group will meet July 29 in Brentwood and Maria Cortez has suggested that we add this Dream Trip to our agenda. Before we meet I would like to get an idea from those people who have expressed an interest in this trip to tell us what month in 2007 you would prefer. If we get a consensus or near consensus on the date or dates we can begin to discuss all the other issues and options and ideas such as guest speaker, lodging, transportation etc.
>
>Aguascalientes and Teocaltiche also have very decent lodging as well as good eateries and as for the tour guide and ground transportation, my cousins in Nochistlan and Tlachichila can assist me with some of these details, unless someone else has other ideas or good resources.
>
>Thanks everyone for your input.
>
>Alicia
>
>
>Depending on when you all do it, I may join you as well. As some of you know, my parents now live part time in Villa Guerrero, Jalisco now that they are retired.
>
>I would also be more than happy to facilitate Esteban Valdes Salazar meeting and speaking with you all. He is extremely knowledgeable about the microhistory of Colotlan and Tlaltenango not to mention his native Totatiche. He is an avid genealogical researcher and has an almost infective passion for history and genealogy.
>
>There is decent lodging in Colotlan and Totatiche. It gets a bit rougher in the smaller towns. You can probably hire a private bus for a few days to get you between places. Then you would just need a tour guide and someone to help you book lodging.

well not sure I am going, but things you should consider is getting some
local input on the weather. There is a hot time and a rainy time. The
rainy time could be a challenge as far as getting around. Just what I’ve
heard so maybe its not that big a deal to consider. Also at certain
times you might get the fiestas. . .maybe around Christmas time. .
.maybe Arturo knows about this.

joseph

Alicia Carrillo wrote:

>Arturo,
>
>Thanks for offering up Esteban Valdes, Salazar, hopefully this will become a reality and not just a dream and if it does happen I hope you can join us. Since we are early into the dream/thought process we don’t know yet what the best time frame is for everyone. The Northern California group will meet July 29 in Brentwood and Maria Cortez has suggested that we add this Dream Trip to our agenda. Before we meet I would like to get an idea from those people who have expressed an interest in this trip to tell us what month in 2007 you would prefer. If we get a consensus or near consensus on the date or dates we can begin to discuss all the other issues and options and ideas such as guest speaker, lodging, transportation etc.
>
>Aguascalientes and Teocaltiche also have very decent lodging as well as good eateries and as for the tour guide and ground transportation, my cousins in Nochistlan and Tlachichila can assist me with some of these details, unless someone else has other ideas or good resources.
>
>Thanks everyone for your input.
>
>Alicia
>
>
>Depending on when you all do it, I may join you as well. As some of you know, my parents now live part time in Villa Guerrero, Jalisco now that they are retired.
>
>I would also be more than happy to facilitate Esteban Valdes Salazar meeting and speaking with you all. He is extremely knowledgeable about the microhistory of Colotlan and Tlaltenango not to mention his native Totatiche. He is an avid genealogical researcher and has an almost infective passion for history and genealogy.
>
>There is decent lodging in Colotlan and Totatiche. It gets a bit rougher in the smaller towns. You can probably hire a private bus for a few days to get you between places. Then you would just need a tour guide and someone to help you book lodging.

The area is very arid and there are basically two seasons, a season of mud and a season of dust. The temperatures do vary somewhat, but it never gets really hot because the altitude is so high… unless of course you get down in the Bolanos canyon. The rainy season can be somewhat treacherous for travel in back areas since there are flash floods (heavy tropical rains where no rain has fallen for months) and mud but the roads have improved tremendously in recent years and most paved roads are well drained, etc.

I think the best time of the year to go is in early autumn. There are still lots of rituals related to end of the corn growing season (September) and the weather is ideal then… almost no rain but things are still green and temperatures don’t drop so much at night.

The spring is also nice, especially if anybody wants to make a jaunt down to the beach. December and early January are not a good time to go because half of the Mexican immigrants in the US go down and flights are very expensive, it is impossible to find lodging or rental cars, etc.

We can perhaps try to figure out when some of the towns have their Fiestas and try to coordinate around those. These tend to be in the winter however… people historically had less work then I suppose.

The area is very arid and there are basically two seasons, a season of mud and a season of dust. The temperatures do vary somewhat, but it never gets really hot because the altitude is so high… unless of course you get down in the Bolanos canyon. The rainy season can be somewhat treacherous for travel in back areas since there are flash floods (heavy tropical rains where no rain has fallen for months) and mud but the roads have improved tremendously in recent years and most paved roads are well drained, etc.

I think the best time of the year to go is in early autumn. There are still lots of rituals related to end of the corn growing season (September) and the weather is ideal then… almost no rain but things are still green and temperatures don’t drop so much at night.

The spring is also nice, especially if anybody wants to make a jaunt down to the beach. December and early January are not a good time to go because half of the Mexican immigrants in the US go down and flights are very expensive, it is impossible to find lodging or rental cars, etc.

We can perhaps try to figure out when some of the towns have their Fiestas and try to coordinate around those. These tend to be in the winter however… people historically had less work then I suppose.