Arturo,
I did not know how to reply to your message that you sent me via my “Contact form”. How does one do that?
Anyway, thanks so much for finding the birth record of my husband’s ggg-grandfather and gggg-grandfather. You are a fountain of information! So, you and old Tony are primos! This is the kind of thing I have been wanting from this group, is for those who have the records to share them. How did you find this information so quickly? Do you have those microfilms or did you find them in the IGI. Even when I was at the main FHC in Salt Lake City I did not find this information.
Another brick wall I have with this line is that Jose de la Encarnacion’s son Ysac, my husband’s gg-grandfather, used his mother’s surname Cervantes, so Ysac’s daughter Marciana also used Cervantes. I found Jose de Encarnacion only by looking for his wife Dorotea Cervantes and in their marriage record it gives his real surname of Talamantes. I cannot find a birth record for Ysac Cervantes [Talamantes], or for Marciana Cervantes [Talamantes]. Supposedly they were born in Encarnacion de Diaz also. Might you have records to help me break through this wall? My fingers are crossed.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA —
Arturo,
I did not know how to reply to your message that you sent me via my “Contact form”. How does one do that?
Anyway, thanks so much for finding the birth record of my husband’s ggg-grandfather and gggg-grandfather. You are a fountain of information! So, you and old Tony are primos! This is the kind of thing I have been wanting from this group, is for those who have the records to share them. How did you find this information so quickly? Do you have those microfilms or did you find them in the IGI. Even when I was at the main FHC in Salt Lake City I did not find this information.
Another brick wall I have with this line is that Jose de la Encarnacion’s son Ysac, my husband’s gg-grandfather, used his mother’s surname Cervantes, so Ysac’s daughter Marciana also used Cervantes. I found Jose de Encarnacion only by looking for his wife Dorotea Cervantes and in their marriage record it gives his real surname of Talamantes. I cannot find a birth record for Ysac Cervantes [Talamantes], or for Marciana Cervantes [Talamantes]. Supposedly they were born in Encarnacion de Diaz also. Might you have records to help me break through this wall? My fingers are crossed.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA —
Arturo,
I did not know how to reply to your message that you sent me via my “Contact form”. How does one do that?
Anyway, thanks so much for finding the birth record of my husband’s ggg-grandfather and gggg-grandfather. You are a fountain of information! So, you and old Tony are primos! This is the kind of thing I have been wanting from this group, is for those who have the records to share them. How did you find this information so quickly? Do you have those microfilms or did you find them in the IGI. Even when I was at the main FHC in Salt Lake City I did not find this information.
Another brick wall I have with this line is that Jose de la Encarnacion’s son Ysac, my husband’s gg-grandfather, used his mother’s surname Cervantes, so Ysac’s daughter Marciana also used Cervantes. I found Jose de Encarnacion only by looking for his wife Dorotea Cervantes and in their marriage record it gives his real surname of Talamantes. I cannot find a birth record for Ysac Cervantes [Talamantes], or for Marciana Cervantes [Talamantes]. Supposedly they were born in Encarnacion de Diaz also. Might you have records to help me break through this wall? My fingers are crossed.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA —
Arturo,
I did not know how to reply to your message that you sent me via my “Contact form”. How does one do that?
Anyway, thanks so much for finding the birth record of my husband’s ggg-grandfather and gggg-grandfather. You are a fountain of information! So, you and old Tony are primos! This is the kind of thing I have been wanting from this group, is for those who have the records to share them. How did you find this information so quickly? Do you have those microfilms or did you find them in the IGI. Even when I was at the main FHC in Salt Lake City I did not find this information.
Another brick wall I have with this line is that Jose de la Encarnacion’s son Ysac, my husband’s gg-grandfather, used his mother’s surname Cervantes, so Ysac’s daughter Marciana also used Cervantes. I found Jose de Encarnacion only by looking for his wife Dorotea Cervantes and in their marriage record it gives his real surname of Talamantes. I cannot find a birth record for Ysac Cervantes [Talamantes], or for Marciana Cervantes [Talamantes]. Supposedly they were born in Encarnacion de Diaz also. Might you have records to help me break through this wall? My fingers are crossed.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA —
Emilie:
You can send a personal email to any member simply by clicking on their username (which appears above or below one of their postings) and the clicking on the tab that says “Contact”.
As far as finding Jose de la Encarnacion, that was a lucky quick search in IGI. The maternal last name thing can make things quite confusing and it is more common when you get to the early 1700s and definitely in the 1600s and back. I have started seeing things where last names would skip generations and children would start using the last name of a grandparent that was not used by either of their parents… strange… also propensity of male children to use mother’s name and female children to use father’s name.
I will try to follow up on this when I get a chance. If your husband is descendant from this same bunch of Talamantes and the lead on the Jacinto Talamantes and Ysabel Covarrubias hunch pans out, it would not only make your husband and me primos… you would also be primos with a couple of others in the group that are descendant from the same people and (if your Escobedos are the same Escobedos who founded Monte Escobedo) you and your husband would be primos as well… interesting to postulate… perhaps we are getting ahead of ourselves.
Emilie:
You can send a personal email to any member simply by clicking on their username (which appears above or below one of their postings) and the clicking on the tab that says “Contact”.
As far as finding Jose de la Encarnacion, that was a lucky quick search in IGI. The maternal last name thing can make things quite confusing and it is more common when you get to the early 1700s and definitely in the 1600s and back. I have started seeing things where last names would skip generations and children would start using the last name of a grandparent that was not used by either of their parents… strange… also propensity of male children to use mother’s name and female children to use father’s name.
I will try to follow up on this when I get a chance. If your husband is descendant from this same bunch of Talamantes and the lead on the Jacinto Talamantes and Ysabel Covarrubias hunch pans out, it would not only make your husband and me primos… you would also be primos with a couple of others in the group that are descendant from the same people and (if your Escobedos are the same Escobedos who founded Monte Escobedo) you and your husband would be primos as well… interesting to postulate… perhaps we are getting ahead of ourselves.
Emilie:
You can send a personal email to any member simply by clicking on their username (which appears above or below one of their postings) and the clicking on the tab that says “Contact”.
As far as finding Jose de la Encarnacion, that was a lucky quick search in IGI. The maternal last name thing can make things quite confusing and it is more common when you get to the early 1700s and definitely in the 1600s and back. I have started seeing things where last names would skip generations and children would start using the last name of a grandparent that was not used by either of their parents… strange… also propensity of male children to use mother’s name and female children to use father’s name.
I will try to follow up on this when I get a chance. If your husband is descendant from this same bunch of Talamantes and the lead on the Jacinto Talamantes and Ysabel Covarrubias hunch pans out, it would not only make your husband and me primos… you would also be primos with a couple of others in the group that are descendant from the same people and (if your Escobedos are the same Escobedos who founded Monte Escobedo) you and your husband would be primos as well… interesting to postulate… perhaps we are getting ahead of ourselves.
Emilie:
You can send a personal email to any member simply by clicking on their username (which appears above or below one of their postings) and the clicking on the tab that says “Contact”.
As far as finding Jose de la Encarnacion, that was a lucky quick search in IGI. The maternal last name thing can make things quite confusing and it is more common when you get to the early 1700s and definitely in the 1600s and back. I have started seeing things where last names would skip generations and children would start using the last name of a grandparent that was not used by either of their parents… strange… also propensity of male children to use mother’s name and female children to use father’s name.
I will try to follow up on this when I get a chance. If your husband is descendant from this same bunch of Talamantes and the lead on the Jacinto Talamantes and Ysabel Covarrubias hunch pans out, it would not only make your husband and me primos… you would also be primos with a couple of others in the group that are descendant from the same people and (if your Escobedos are the same Escobedos who founded Monte Escobedo) you and your husband would be primos as well… interesting to postulate… perhaps we are getting ahead of ourselves.
Wow, me and my husband primos? Wait til I tell him. I have often wondered about that, if it could be possible that our lines crossed somewhere since Jalisco and Zacatecas are neighbors or used to be the same state, no?
I was about to e-mail you back regarding the surnames I saw posted on your account. Other surnames of yours in common with my husband’s are Garcia, of course, then Nunez, Martines, Leon, and Lopez. You have more surnames in common with mine in Zacatecas: Campos, Escobedo, Avila, Acevedo, Flores, de La Torre, Alvares, Ortiz, Gonzales, and Ramires. Maybe we will find more connections.
Emilie
Wow, me and my husband primos? Wait til I tell him. I have often wondered about that, if it could be possible that our lines crossed somewhere since Jalisco and Zacatecas are neighbors or used to be the same state, no?
I was about to e-mail you back regarding the surnames I saw posted on your account. Other surnames of yours in common with my husband’s are Garcia, of course, then Nunez, Martines, Leon, and Lopez. You have more surnames in common with mine in Zacatecas: Campos, Escobedo, Avila, Acevedo, Flores, de La Torre, Alvares, Ortiz, Gonzales, and Ramires. Maybe we will find more connections.
Emilie
Arturo,
I love searching for things such as this because I learn a
lot, but I don’t think I found much of use to you. There
are some SSHAR publications on this site that contain some
of Holcombe’s work:
http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/ourbooks.asp?catid=all&sortid=ItemTitle&alphabetvar=G
This person said Holcombe’s research is at LDS, but I
couldn’t find it. Her post is from 2000, but perhaps she
has the same email and may know something about his
letters:
“are well-supported by Jaime Holcombe’s research
(microfilmed and available from Family History Library of
the LDS Church)”
connied@elp.rr.com
Connie Dominguez, genforum, 2000
And this fellow, and his friend John Colligan, had some
contact with Holcombe. Perhaps they know if/where his
letters are kept. Esquivel says on his site that he will
not answer queries, but suuuuurely this is not actually
true of a genealogist!
“Source: Chávez, “New Mexico Roots, Ltd.”: 116, DM 1698,
Aug. 1 (no.2), Santa Fe; Mariano González Leal, Retoños de
España en la Nueva Galicia (Universidad de Guanajuato:
1983), Charts 5 & 5b, and Vol II: 328; Private
correspondence from Jaime Holcombe with John B. Colligan.”
From: A website maintained by José Antonio Esquibel
Jesquibel@yahoo.com
Kim Raine
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Arturo,
I love searching for things such as this because I learn a
lot, but I don’t think I found much of use to you. There
are some SSHAR publications on this site that contain some
of Holcombe’s work:
http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/ourbooks.asp?catid=all&sortid=ItemTitle&alphabetvar=G
This person said Holcombe’s research is at LDS, but I
couldn’t find it. Her post is from 2000, but perhaps she
has the same email and may know something about his
letters:
“are well-supported by Jaime Holcombe’s research
(microfilmed and available from Family History Library of
the LDS Church)”
connied@elp.rr.com
Connie Dominguez, genforum, 2000
And this fellow, and his friend John Colligan, had some
contact with Holcombe. Perhaps they know if/where his
letters are kept. Esquivel says on his site that he will
not answer queries, but suuuuurely this is not actually
true of a genealogist!
“Source: Chávez, “New Mexico Roots, Ltd.”: 116, DM 1698,
Aug. 1 (no.2), Santa Fe; Mariano González Leal, Retoños de
España en la Nueva Galicia (Universidad de Guanajuato:
1983), Charts 5 & 5b, and Vol II: 328; Private
correspondence from Jaime Holcombe with John B. Colligan.”
From: A website maintained by José Antonio Esquibel
Jesquibel@yahoo.com
Kim Raine
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