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(@oldcar53)
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Chris,
 
It does not mean they were there for the marriage but it does mean that they presented their children to be married. Before they could be married they had to be presented to the church, the church then had to investigate to see if they were related or not or if either one had been previously married. This could take months. Once the Catholic Church completed the investigation they would say they could be married if not related or if widowed or married previously. If they were found to be related they would issue a dispensation stating what relationship they had to each other.
 
Alicia
 
Chris Pineda <pineda37@yahoo.com> wrote:
I think you’re right…I think it does say “pretensa.”
So does this mean that Pedro Pineda and Maria
Natividad Godoy, the
mother of the bride, were at the
marriage of their children?

I’ve attached the file under the Rancho 2 section.
Thanks so much for your help,

Chris Pineda

— Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@pacbell.net> wrote:

> Chris,
>   
>   In all likelihood the word would be “pretensa”
> meaning the one who is aspiring or seeking to be
> married. “Pretenso” would be a male suitor aspiring
> to get married.
>   
>   I hope this helps……….Alicia Avelar Olmos de
> Carrillo
>
> Chris Pineda <pineda37@yahoo.com> wrote:
>   Hi all:
>
> I was hoping someone could take a look at the
> informacion matrimonial for my great grandfather’s
> marriage to his first wife. Specifically, there’s
> one
> word that I can’t make out under the “Consentimento”
> part. I’m hoping someone on this
listserve has come
> across similar language.
>
> The line says: “En el curato de Tlaltenango a los
> cinco dias del mes de Febrero de mil noveicientos
> tres
> ante mi el Presbitero Don Jose de Jesus Robles, Cura
> de esta parroquia comparecieron Pedro Pinedo y Maria
> Natividad Godoy madre de la _______________ y ambos
> dijeron que sus expresados hijos…”
>
> The word begins with a “p” or “f.” I can send the
> photo if someone has time to look at it. I hope to
> hear from someone soon…thanks.
>
> Chris Pineda
>
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Posted : 26/02/2006 12:15 am
(@oldcar53)
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Chris,
 
It does not mean they were there for the marriage but it does mean that they presented their children to be married. Before they could be married they had to be presented to the church, the church then had to investigate to see if they were related or not or if either one had been previously married. This could take months. Once the Catholic Church completed the investigation they would say they could be married if not related or if widowed or married previously. If they were found to be related they would issue a dispensation stating what relationship they had to each other.
 
Alicia
 
Chris Pineda <pineda37@yahoo.com> wrote:
I think you’re right…I think it does say “pretensa.”
So does this mean that Pedro Pineda and Maria
Natividad Godoy, the
mother of the bride, were at the
marriage of their children?

I’ve attached the file under the Rancho 2 section.
Thanks so much for your help,

Chris Pineda

— Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@pacbell.net> wrote:

> Chris,
>   
>   In all likelihood the word would be “pretensa”
> meaning the one who is aspiring or seeking to be
> married. “Pretenso” would be a male suitor aspiring
> to get married.
>   
>   I hope this helps……….Alicia Avelar Olmos de
> Carrillo
>
> Chris Pineda <pineda37@yahoo.com> wrote:
>   Hi all:
>
> I was hoping someone could take a look at the
> informacion matrimonial for my great grandfather’s
> marriage to his first wife. Specifically, there’s
> one
> word that I can’t make out under the “Consentimento”
> part. I’m hoping someone on this
listserve has come
> across similar language.
>
> The line says: “En el curato de Tlaltenango a los
> cinco dias del mes de Febrero de mil noveicientos
> tres
> ante mi el Presbitero Don Jose de Jesus Robles, Cura
> de esta parroquia comparecieron Pedro Pinedo y Maria
> Natividad Godoy madre de la _______________ y ambos
> dijeron que sus expresados hijos…”
>
> The word begins with a “p” or “f.” I can send the
> photo if someone has time to look at it. I hope to
> hear from someone soon…thanks.
>
> Chris Pineda
>
> __________________________________________________
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> protection around
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Criminal offenses 
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>    
> ———————————
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>
>    
>     Visit your group “ranchos” on the web.
>    
>     To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
> to:
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>    
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Posted : 26/02/2006 12:15 am
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The marriage, that of my great grandfather Nicanor
Pineda and his first wife, Antonia Minjarez, was in
1903 in Tlaltenango.

Chris

 
Posted : 26/02/2006 12:15 am
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The marriage, that of my great grandfather Nicanor
Pineda and his first wife, Antonia Minjarez, was in
1903 in Tlaltenango.

Chris

 
Posted : 26/02/2006 12:15 am
(@meef98367)
Posts: 1036
 



Alicia and Chris,

 

I also was thinking that the word is “pretensa” since I have recently seen
a statement like that in one of the records I was researching.

 

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA —


—– Original Message —–



Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:14
PM

Subject: Re: [ranchos] Help deciphering
informacion matrimonial text



Chris,

 

In all likelihood the word would be “pretensa”
meaning the one who is aspiring or seeking to be married.
“Pretenso” would be a male suitor aspiring to get
married.

 

I hope this helps……….Alicia Avelar Olmos de
Carrillo

Chris Pineda <@yahoo.com” href=”mailto:pineda37@yahoo.com”>pineda37@yahoo.com>
wrote:


Hi
all:

I was hoping someone could take a look at the
informacion
matrimonial for my great grandfather’s
marriage to his first wife.
Specifically, there’s one
word that I can’t make out under the
“Consentimento”
part. I’m hoping someone on this listserve has
come
across similar language.

The line says: “En el curato de
Tlaltenango a los
cinco dias del mes de Febrero de mil noveicientos
tres
ante mi el Presbitero Don Jose de Jesus Robles, Cura
de esta
parroquia comparecieron Pedro Pinedo y Maria
Natividad Godoy madre de la
_______________ y ambos
dijeron que sus expresados hijos…”

The
word begins with a “p” or “f.” I can send the
photo if someone has time
to look at it. I hope to
hear from someone soon…thanks.

Chris
Pineda

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Posted : 26/02/2006 12:30 am
(@meef98367)
Posts: 1036
 



Alicia and Chris,

 

I also was thinking that the word is “pretensa” since I have recently seen
a statement like that in one of the records I was researching.

 

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA —


—– Original Message —–



Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 2:14
PM

Subject: Re: [ranchos] Help deciphering
informacion matrimonial text



Chris,

 

In all likelihood the word would be “pretensa”
meaning the one who is aspiring or seeking to be married.
“Pretenso” would be a male suitor aspiring to get
married.

 

I hope this helps……….Alicia Avelar Olmos de
Carrillo

Chris Pineda <@yahoo.com” href=”mailto:pineda37@yahoo.com”>pineda37@yahoo.com>
wrote:


Hi
all:

I was hoping someone could take a look at the
informacion
matrimonial for my great grandfather’s
marriage to his first wife.
Specifically, there’s one
word that I can’t make out under the
“Consentimento”
part. I’m hoping someone on this listserve has
come
across similar language.

The line says: “En el curato de
Tlaltenango a los
cinco dias del mes de Febrero de mil noveicientos
tres
ante mi el Presbitero Don Jose de Jesus Robles, Cura
de esta
parroquia comparecieron Pedro Pinedo y Maria
Natividad Godoy madre de la
_______________ y ambos
dijeron que sus expresados hijos…”

The
word begins with a “p” or “f.” I can send the
photo if someone has time
to look at it. I hope to
hear from someone soon…thanks.

Chris
Pineda

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Yahoo!?
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Posted : 26/02/2006 12:30 am
(@makas_nc)
Posts: 2224
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Chris Pineda wrote:

The marriage, that of my great grandfather Nicanor
Pineda and his first wife, Antonia Minjarez, was in
1903 in Tlaltenango.
  

what I meant was if the informacion record was on the 5th of feb then
the marriage was probably sometime after that. do you have the actual
marriage document?

the information should have happened some time before the marriage.

joseph

Chris

 
Posted : 26/02/2006 3:30 am
(@makas_nc)
Posts: 2224
Member Admin
 

Chris Pineda wrote:

The marriage, that of my great grandfather Nicanor
Pineda and his first wife, Antonia Minjarez, was in
1903 in Tlaltenango.
  

what I meant was if the informacion record was on the 5th of feb then
the marriage was probably sometime after that. do you have the actual
marriage document?

the information should have happened some time before the marriage.

joseph

Chris

 
Posted : 26/02/2006 3:30 am
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