Linda,
What I know is
My Grandfather Tereso Esparza was born on or about October 15, 1884 in
Chalchihuites, Zacatecas, Mexico
My Great Grandparents Crus Esparsa and Ma. De Jesus Chaves were married
01 JUN 1883 San Pedro, Chalchihuites, Zacatecas, Mexico
He had a brother Jose and a nephew Lucito…
That’s all I know
Thanks
Mary
—–Original Message—–
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Erlinda
Castanon-Long
Sent: 03/22/2007 10:40 AM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Esparza and Chavez in Zacatecas Mexico
Mary, welcome to the group. Where in Zacatecas are your Esparsa and Chavez
families from? What time line were they in Zacatecas?
Linda in Everett
rmcano@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Not long ago I registered with Nuestros Ranchos; I am trying to find
information on Esparza & Chavez from Zacatecas. However, I have no idea how
to even begin using this site or what this family search indexing is…
Thanks
Mary
———————————
We won’t tell. Get more on shows you hate to love
(and love to hate): Yahoo! TV’s Guilty Pleasures list.
Linda,
What I know is
My Grandfather Tereso Esparza was born on or about October 15, 1884 in
Chalchihuites, Zacatecas, Mexico
My Great Grandparents Crus Esparsa and Ma. De Jesus Chaves were married
01 JUN 1883 San Pedro, Chalchihuites, Zacatecas, Mexico
He had a brother Jose and a nephew Lucito…
That’s all I know
Thanks
Mary
—–Original Message—–
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Erlinda
Castanon-Long
Sent: 03/22/2007 10:40 AM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Esparza and Chavez in Zacatecas Mexico
Mary, welcome to the group. Where in Zacatecas are your Esparsa and Chavez
families from? What time line were they in Zacatecas?
Linda in Everett
rmcano@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Not long ago I registered with Nuestros Ranchos; I am trying to find
information on Esparza & Chavez from Zacatecas. However, I have no idea how
to even begin using this site or what this family search indexing is…
Thanks
Mary
———————————
We won’t tell. Get more on shows you hate to love
(and love to hate): Yahoo! TV’s Guilty Pleasures list.
Mary, I was hoping I could help you but it’s a different part of Zacatecas than I work on.. maybe someone else is working on Chalchihuites, by the way, where is that? What’s the closest large town? Have you checked the members files to see who’s working this area?
Linda in Everett
rmcano@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Linda,
What I know is
My Grandfather Tereso Esparza was born on or about October 15, 1884 in
Chalchihuites, Zacatecas, Mexico
My Great Grandparents Crus Esparsa and Ma. De Jesus Chaves were married
01 JUN 1883 San Pedro, Chalchihuites, Zacatecas, Mexico
He had a brother Jose and a nephew Lucito…
That’s all I know
Thanks
Mary
———————————
Get your own web address.
Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
Mary, I was hoping I could help you but it’s a different part of Zacatecas than I work on.. maybe someone else is working on Chalchihuites, by the way, where is that? What’s the closest large town? Have you checked the members files to see who’s working this area?
Linda in Everett
rmcano@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Linda,
What I know is
My Grandfather Tereso Esparza was born on or about October 15, 1884 in
Chalchihuites, Zacatecas, Mexico
My Great Grandparents Crus Esparsa and Ma. De Jesus Chaves were married
01 JUN 1883 San Pedro, Chalchihuites, Zacatecas, Mexico
He had a brother Jose and a nephew Lucito…
That’s all I know
Thanks
Mary
———————————
Get your own web address.
Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
Mary, I just checked the Internationl Genealogy Index (IGI) on Familysearch and since your gr-grandparents marriage is listed with a film number is there a history center near your home for you to order the film from? That would give you their parents and information you don’t already have. If you haven’t used the center before they are very helpful and always glad to help a newcommer.
Linda in Everett
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Mary, I was hoping I could help you but it’s a different part of Zacatecas than I work on.. maybe someone else is working on Chalchihuites, by the way, where is that? What’s the closest large town? Have you checked the members files to see who’s working this area?
Linda in Everett
rmcano@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Linda,
What I know is
My Grandfather Tereso Esparza was born on or about October 15, 1884 in
Chalchihuites, Zacatecas, Mexico
My Great Grandparents Crus Esparsa and Ma. De Jesus Chaves were married
01 JUN 1883 San Pedro, Chalchihuites, Zacatecas, Mexico
He had a brother Jose and a nephew Lucito…
That’s all I know
Thanks
Mary
———————————
Don’t get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
Mary, I just checked the Internationl Genealogy Index (IGI) on Familysearch and since your gr-grandparents marriage is listed with a film number is there a history center near your home for you to order the film from? That would give you their parents and information you don’t already have. If you haven’t used the center before they are very helpful and always glad to help a newcommer.
Linda in Everett
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Mary, I was hoping I could help you but it’s a different part of Zacatecas than I work on.. maybe someone else is working on Chalchihuites, by the way, where is that? What’s the closest large town? Have you checked the members files to see who’s working this area?
Linda in Everett
rmcano@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Linda,
What I know is
My Grandfather Tereso Esparza was born on or about October 15, 1884 in
Chalchihuites, Zacatecas, Mexico
My Great Grandparents Crus Esparsa and Ma. De Jesus Chaves were married
01 JUN 1883 San Pedro, Chalchihuites, Zacatecas, Mexico
He had a brother Jose and a nephew Lucito…
That’s all I know
Thanks
Mary
———————————
Don’t get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
I will check into that…
Thanks for your help
Mary
—–Original Message—–
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Erlinda
Castanon-Long
Sent: 03/22/2007 12:00 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Esparza and Chavez in Zacatecas Mexico
Mary, I just checked the Internationl Genealogy Index (IGI) on Familysearch
and since your gr-grandparents marriage is listed with a film number is
there a history center near your home for you to order the film from? That
would give you their parents and information you don’t already have. If you
haven’t used the center before they are very helpful and always glad to help
a newcommer.
Linda in Everett
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Mary, I was hoping I could help you but it’s a different part of Zacatecas
than I work on.. maybe someone else is working on Chalchihuites, by the way,
where is that? What’s the closest large town? Have you checked the members
files to see who’s working this area?
Linda in Everett
rmcano@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Linda,
What I know is
My Grandfather Tereso Esparza was born on or about October 15, 1884 in
Chalchihuites, Zacatecas, Mexico
My Great Grandparents Crus Esparsa and Ma. De Jesus Chaves were married
01 JUN 1883 San Pedro, Chalchihuites, Zacatecas, Mexico
He had a brother Jose and a nephew Lucito…
That’s all I know
Thanks
Mary
———————————
Don’t get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
I will check into that…
Thanks for your help
Mary
—–Original Message—–
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Erlinda
Castanon-Long
Sent: 03/22/2007 12:00 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Esparza and Chavez in Zacatecas Mexico
Mary, I just checked the Internationl Genealogy Index (IGI) on Familysearch
and since your gr-grandparents marriage is listed with a film number is
there a history center near your home for you to order the film from? That
would give you their parents and information you don’t already have. If you
haven’t used the center before they are very helpful and always glad to help
a newcommer.
Linda in Everett
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Mary, I was hoping I could help you but it’s a different part of Zacatecas
than I work on.. maybe someone else is working on Chalchihuites, by the way,
where is that? What’s the closest large town? Have you checked the members
files to see who’s working this area?
Linda in Everett
rmcano@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Linda,
What I know is
My Grandfather Tereso Esparza was born on or about October 15, 1884 in
Chalchihuites, Zacatecas, Mexico
My Great Grandparents Crus Esparsa and Ma. De Jesus Chaves were married
01 JUN 1883 San Pedro, Chalchihuites, Zacatecas, Mexico
He had a brother Jose and a nephew Lucito…
That’s all I know
Thanks
Mary
———————————
Don’t get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
Mary,
I am a new-comer to the group. At first I was just lost, seeing all these messages between these very smart and savvy people. They talked about things I had no idea of, but I am learning from all of them. And it is not a bore reading through them, but a pleasure because you see how much dedication is put into all these searches. Just don’t give up.
I am researching in Zacatecas, also. I have a Chavez in the family, so who knows we may each be able to contribute to one another.
Juanita
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Mary, welcome to the group. Where in Zacatecas are your Esparsa and Chavez families from? What time line were they in Zacatecas?
Linda in Everett
rmcano@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Not long ago I registered with Nuestros Ranchos; I am trying to find
information on Esparza & Chavez from Zacatecas. However, I have no idea how
to even begin using this site or what this family search indexing is…
Thanks
Mary
———————————
We won’t tell. Get more on shows you hate to love
(and love to hate): Yahoo! TV’s Guilty Pleasures list.
Mary,
I am a new-comer to the group. At first I was just lost, seeing all these messages between these very smart and savvy people. They talked about things I had no idea of, but I am learning from all of them. And it is not a bore reading through them, but a pleasure because you see how much dedication is put into all these searches. Just don’t give up.
I am researching in Zacatecas, also. I have a Chavez in the family, so who knows we may each be able to contribute to one another.
Juanita
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Mary, welcome to the group. Where in Zacatecas are your Esparsa and Chavez families from? What time line were they in Zacatecas?
Linda in Everett
rmcano@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Not long ago I registered with Nuestros Ranchos; I am trying to find
information on Esparza & Chavez from Zacatecas. However, I have no idea how
to even begin using this site or what this family search indexing is…
Thanks
Mary
———————————
We won’t tell. Get more on shows you hate to love
(and love to hate): Yahoo! TV’s Guilty Pleasures list.
Juanita,
Thank you so much, I read and read and see how dedicated everyone is. I
will continue to read and take advice and see where it leads me.
Thank you
Mary
—–Original Message—–
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of juanita
delgado
Sent: 03/22/2007 12:20 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Esparza and Chavez in Zacatecas Mexico
Mary,
I am a new-comer to the group. At first I was just lost, seeing all these
messages between these very smart and savvy people. They talked about things
I had no idea of, but I am learning from all of them. And it is not a bore
reading through them, but a pleasure because you see how much dedication is
put into all these searches. Just don’t give up.
I am researching in Zacatecas, also. I have a Chavez in the family, so who
knows we may each be able to contribute to one another.
Juanita
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Mary, welcome to the group. Where in Zacatecas are your Esparsa and Chavez
families from? What time line were they in Zacatecas?
Linda in Everett
rmcano@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Not long ago I registered with Nuestros Ranchos; I am trying to find
information on Esparza & Chavez from Zacatecas. However, I have no idea how
to even begin using this site or what this family search indexing is…
Thanks
Mary
———————————
We won’t tell. Get more on shows you hate to love
(and love to hate): Yahoo! TV’s Guilty Pleasures list.
Juanita,
Thank you so much, I read and read and see how dedicated everyone is. I
will continue to read and take advice and see where it leads me.
Thank you
Mary
—–Original Message—–
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of juanita
delgado
Sent: 03/22/2007 12:20 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Esparza and Chavez in Zacatecas Mexico
Mary,
I am a new-comer to the group. At first I was just lost, seeing all these
messages between these very smart and savvy people. They talked about things
I had no idea of, but I am learning from all of them. And it is not a bore
reading through them, but a pleasure because you see how much dedication is
put into all these searches. Just don’t give up.
I am researching in Zacatecas, also. I have a Chavez in the family, so who
knows we may each be able to contribute to one another.
Juanita
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Mary, welcome to the group. Where in Zacatecas are your Esparsa and Chavez
families from? What time line were they in Zacatecas?
Linda in Everett
rmcano@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Not long ago I registered with Nuestros Ranchos; I am trying to find
information on Esparza & Chavez from Zacatecas. However, I have no idea how
to even begin using this site or what this family search indexing is…
Thanks
Mary
———————————
We won’t tell. Get more on shows you hate to love
(and love to hate): Yahoo! TV’s Guilty Pleasures list.
For the DNA experts out there:
I am very much interested in getting my DNA. I have a question. Recently, my great-granddaughter got DNA testing for a paternity issue. Is that information valuable, not valuable,etc. for genealogy purposes?
Also, where would I get the test?
Thanks for any information. Juanita
arturoramos wrote:
Alicia, et al.
No it is not necessary to be an LDS member to participate in the online indexing projects. As with the family history library resources, they are open to the general public.
I have done a few census pages myself just to try out the system and one of the main reasons why they have been pushing the digitization of films and the online indexing technologies is so that they can expand the base of volunteers that they use for extraction.
Everyone, if you have not yet tried out the indexing software, I encourage you to do so. It is pretty nifty.
For the DNA experts out there:
I am very much interested in getting my DNA. I have a question. Recently, my great-granddaughter got DNA testing for a paternity issue. Is that information valuable, not valuable,etc. for genealogy purposes?
Also, where would I get the test?
Thanks for any information. Juanita
arturoramos wrote:
Alicia, et al.
No it is not necessary to be an LDS member to participate in the online indexing projects. As with the family history library resources, they are open to the general public.
I have done a few census pages myself just to try out the system and one of the main reasons why they have been pushing the digitization of films and the online indexing technologies is so that they can expand the base of volunteers that they use for extraction.
Everyone, if you have not yet tried out the indexing software, I encourage you to do so. It is pretty nifty.
Mary and Juanita:
It is great to have you in the group and whenever you feel lost please, please ask questions… For anyone new to the group, I suggest you download the Nuestros Ranchos User Guide (Files – Reference Materials). While it is still not yet complete, it will give you a good starting point.
Mary, as Linda mentioned, your great-great grandparents are listed in the IGI and that means that you can easily order the film where their marriage is recorded and find out where they were born and what their parents’ names were. Just go to the nearest family history center and order Film 0605005.
There are also some Chalchihuites films listed in our Films section:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/films/Zacatecas/2007
CRUS ESPARSA
Marriages:
Spouse: MA. DE JESUS CHAVES Family
Marriage: 01 JUN 1883 San Pedro, Chalchihuites, Zacatecas, Mexico
Batch No.: M601021 Film No. 0605005
FYI Chalchihuites is named after the ruins of what is believed to be a Toltec settlement… probably a trading post for the trade routes to what is now the American Southwest. That is definitive proof that Mesoamerican civilization reached as far north as Zacatecas at some point.
Juanita:
As far as DNA tests, the ones that are valuable for genealogical purposes are Y-DNA and MtDNA tests. That is because these parts of the DNA fingerprint are immutable from generation to generation except for mutations, i.e. offspring have the same Y-DNA as their father and the same MtDNA as their mother instead of half of each as is the case with most of the DNA fingerprint.
I am not sure what they test in a paternity test for a female child as females do not get the Y chromosome from their fathers and thus cannot have a Y-DNA test done.
If your great granddaughter is your descendant through your daughter’s daughter she would have the same MtDNA as you and your mother and your mother’s mother. MtDNA mutates much more slowly that Y-DNA.
I would recommend getting the test done with Family Tree DNA either directly or through the Human Genographic project:
