Angie,
Wouldn’t the original names in the original languages have been pronounced differently? For example, Jose might have been originally Josep like in Latin (or in Italian Giuseppe) for Jose? The “j” in Jesus might have been pronounced like the “j” in “just” which sounds more like the “ch” sound in Chuy. Pancho sounds like the Franco I have heard in other languages. Refugio may have had a hard g in there making it sound like “cuco” to a child who could not pronounce all the syllables.
My husband just gave me more nicknames: Chava (Salvador), Chago (Santiago), Yoya (Gloria). His name is Antonio, but we have always called him Tony, of course a short version of his name. His brother is Henry (Enrique) and that may have come from the French Henri.
Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: aajay1073
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:06 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nicknames and Name translations
I have always found it curious where some nicknames come from. I understand nicknames when they are a shorter version of the original name or as Emilie says, a childs version of name (but those names are not standard). The standard nicknames seem to not even be related to the orignal name like:
Refugio = Cuca
Jose = Pepe
Juan = Paco
Francisco = Pancho
Jesus = Chuy
Today, I think many people with hispanic names are either translating there name, ie
Carlos = Charles
Diego = James
Esperanza = Hope
Or they just pick the closest name to their original name:
Hilario = Larry
Jesus = Jesse
Which by the way, Jesus translates to Joshua. And I don’t think Refugio translates to Ruth. Sounds more like they just picked the closest ‘R’ name.
Just my two centavos,
Angie Godina
Angie,
Wouldn’t the original names in the original languages have been pronounced differently? For example, Jose might have been originally Josep like in Latin (or in Italian Giuseppe) for Jose? The “j” in Jesus might have been pronounced like the “j” in “just” which sounds more like the “ch” sound in Chuy. Pancho sounds like the Franco I have heard in other languages. Refugio may have had a hard g in there making it sound like “cuco” to a child who could not pronounce all the syllables.
My husband just gave me more nicknames: Chava (Salvador), Chago (Santiago), Yoya (Gloria). His name is Antonio, but we have always called him Tony, of course a short version of his name. His brother is Henry (Enrique) and that may have come from the French Henri.
Emilie
—– Original Message —–
From: aajay1073
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:06 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nicknames and Name translations
I have always found it curious where some nicknames come from. I understand nicknames when they are a shorter version of the original name or as Emilie says, a childs version of name (but those names are not standard). The standard nicknames seem to not even be related to the orignal name like:
Refugio = Cuca
Jose = Pepe
Juan = Paco
Francisco = Pancho
Jesus = Chuy
Today, I think many people with hispanic names are either translating there name, ie
Carlos = Charles
Diego = James
Esperanza = Hope
Or they just pick the closest name to their original name:
Hilario = Larry
Jesus = Jesse
Which by the way, Jesus translates to Joshua. And I don’t think Refugio translates to Ruth. Sounds more like they just picked the closest ‘R’ name.
Just my two centavos,
Angie Godina
Thank you, this group is a “fountain of information.”
Pat Silva Corbera
—– Original Message —–
From: “aajay1073”
>
Thank you, this group is a “fountain of information.”
Pat Silva Corbera
—– Original Message —–
From: “aajay1073”
>
Good Evening All, My mother’s family is from Zacatecas/Aguascalientes/Jalisco. Due to various unfortunate reasons, family information is very scarce. I am at the beginning of my family search,and all I know can be summed-up very quickly. My mother’s paternal family name is Onate, while her maternal family name is Santelices. I only have names for my greatgrandfather Rosalio Onate, his children Adolfo, Maria de los Angeles, Luis (my grandfather), and Leonarda. The only Santelices names I have are my grandmother Agustina Santelices (no known siblings)and her father Francisco Santelices. I have no birth dates or places for anyone.
Any help from anyone would be very appreciated. Alice B. Blake
— teacozygran@kc.rr.com wrote:
From: “M. Vallazza”
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:01:17 -0500
Hi, Esther,
some of your Zacatecas names are definitely related to mine–Zaldivar,
Bañuelos, Velasco, Oñate, and Treviño. Marge V:)
>
> Zecatecas: Zavala, Sepulveda, Trevino, Robles, Elizondo, Ybarra, La
> Mancha, Munguia, Ayala, Velasco, Banuelos, Urdinola, Garza, Farias
> Del Canto, Zaldivar, Onate, La Mancha,
>
> Nuevo Leon:
> Ayala, Arredondo, Sepulveda, Garza, Villarreal, Arriola, Elizondo,
> ANcira, Yslas Palacios, Farias, Garcia, Zaldivar, Trevino, Flores,
> Ramos Arriola, Yslas Palacios, Barrera, Munguia, Cantu, Fernandez,
> Pinto, Rivas, Los Santos, Casas, Rodriguez Montemayor, Montemayor,
>
> San Luis Potosi:
> Lobo Guerrero, Pinto, Galvez, Acosta, Los Santos, Ramos Arriola,
> Zaldivar, Melendez
>
> Guanajuato:
> Lobo Guerrero, Acosta,
>
Good Evening All, My mother’s family is from Zacatecas/Aguascalientes/Jalisco. Due to various unfortunate reasons, family information is very scarce. I am at the beginning of my family search,and all I know can be summed-up very quickly. My mother’s paternal family name is Onate, while her maternal family name is Santelices. I only have names for my greatgrandfather Rosalio Onate, his children Adolfo, Maria de los Angeles, Luis (my grandfather), and Leonarda. The only Santelices names I have are my grandmother Agustina Santelices (no known siblings)and her father Francisco Santelices. I have no birth dates or places for anyone.
Any help from anyone would be very appreciated. Alice B. Blake
— teacozygran@kc.rr.com wrote:
From: “M. Vallazza”
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:01:17 -0500
Hi, Esther,
some of your Zacatecas names are definitely related to mine–Zaldivar,
Bañuelos, Velasco, Oñate, and Treviño. Marge V:)
>
> Zecatecas: Zavala, Sepulveda, Trevino, Robles, Elizondo, Ybarra, La
> Mancha, Munguia, Ayala, Velasco, Banuelos, Urdinola, Garza, Farias
> Del Canto, Zaldivar, Onate, La Mancha,
>
> Nuevo Leon:
> Ayala, Arredondo, Sepulveda, Garza, Villarreal, Arriola, Elizondo,
> ANcira, Yslas Palacios, Farias, Garcia, Zaldivar, Trevino, Flores,
> Ramos Arriola, Yslas Palacios, Barrera, Munguia, Cantu, Fernandez,
> Pinto, Rivas, Los Santos, Casas, Rodriguez Montemayor, Montemayor,
>
> San Luis Potosi:
> Lobo Guerrero, Pinto, Galvez, Acosta, Los Santos, Ramos Arriola,
> Zaldivar, Melendez
>
> Guanajuato:
> Lobo Guerrero, Acosta,
>
this is the only Francisco Santelice I found in Zacatecas, but with some
careful digging who knows what you can come up with:
FRANCISCO SANTELICES
Male Family
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse: MARIA VALDERAMA Family
Marriage:
20 APR 1882 San Juan Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type:
Printout Call No.: Type:
M607151 1880 – 1885 1092766
——————–
joseph
AliceBB wrote:
>Good Evening All, My mother’s family is from Zacatecas/Aguascalientes/Jalisco. Due to various unfortunate reasons, family information is very scarce. I am at the beginning of my family search,and all I know can be summed-up very quickly. My mother’s paternal family name is Onate, while her maternal family name is Santelices. I only have names for my greatgrandfather Rosalio Onate, his children Adolfo, Maria de los Angeles, Luis (my grandfather), and Leonarda. The only Santelices names I have are my grandmother Agustina Santelices (no known siblings)and her father Francisco Santelices. I have no birth dates or places for anyone.
>Any help from anyone would be very appreciated. Alice B. Blake
>
>
>
>
this is the only Francisco Santelice I found in Zacatecas, but with some
careful digging who knows what you can come up with:
FRANCISCO SANTELICES
Male Family
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse: MARIA VALDERAMA Family
Marriage:
20 APR 1882 San Juan Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type:
Printout Call No.: Type:
M607151 1880 – 1885 1092766
——————–
joseph
AliceBB wrote:
>Good Evening All, My mother’s family is from Zacatecas/Aguascalientes/Jalisco. Due to various unfortunate reasons, family information is very scarce. I am at the beginning of my family search,and all I know can be summed-up very quickly. My mother’s paternal family name is Onate, while her maternal family name is Santelices. I only have names for my greatgrandfather Rosalio Onate, his children Adolfo, Maria de los Angeles, Luis (my grandfather), and Leonarda. The only Santelices names I have are my grandmother Agustina Santelices (no known siblings)and her father Francisco Santelices. I have no birth dates or places for anyone.
>Any help from anyone would be very appreciated. Alice B. Blake
>
>
>
>
What documents do you have for them? Start with documents and what they say death certificates, birth certificates, ss# application.
Esther
—
Esther A. Herold
————– Original message from AliceBB : ————–
> Good Evening All, My mother’s family is from Zacatecas/Aguascalientes/Jalisco.
> Due to various unfortunate reasons, family information is very scarce. I am at
> the beginning of my family search,and all I know can be summed-up very quickly.
> My mother’s paternal family name is Onate, while her maternal family name is
> Santelices. I only have names for my greatgrandfather Rosalio Onate, his
> children Adolfo, Maria de los Angeles, Luis (my grandfather), and Leonarda. The
> only Santelices names I have are my grandmother Agustina Santelices (no known
> siblings)and her father Francisco Santelices. I have no birth dates or places
> for anyone.
> Any help from anyone would be very appreciated. Alice B. Blake
>
> — teacozygran@kc.rr.com wrote:
>
> From: “M. Vallazza”
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:01:17 -0500
>
> Hi, Esther,
> some of your Zacatecas names are definitely related to mine–Zaldivar,
> Ba
What documents do you have for them? Start with documents and what they say death certificates, birth certificates, ss# application.
Esther
—
Esther A. Herold
————– Original message from AliceBB : ————–
> Good Evening All, My mother’s family is from Zacatecas/Aguascalientes/Jalisco.
> Due to various unfortunate reasons, family information is very scarce. I am at
> the beginning of my family search,and all I know can be summed-up very quickly.
> My mother’s paternal family name is Onate, while her maternal family name is
> Santelices. I only have names for my greatgrandfather Rosalio Onate, his
> children Adolfo, Maria de los Angeles, Luis (my grandfather), and Leonarda. The
> only Santelices names I have are my grandmother Agustina Santelices (no known
> siblings)and her father Francisco Santelices. I have no birth dates or places
> for anyone.
> Any help from anyone would be very appreciated. Alice B. Blake
>
> — teacozygran@kc.rr.com wrote:
>
> From: “M. Vallazza”
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:01:17 -0500
>
> Hi, Esther,
> some of your Zacatecas names are definitely related to mine–Zaldivar,
> Ba
