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ayalarobles

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On film 0605464 are listed the following Zaldivars:

MA. JUANA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 APR 1824 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico

5. MA. QUILINA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 JAN 1821 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico

6. MA. FLORENCIA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 MAR 1822 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico
3430. MARIA SECUNDINA SALDIVAR GOMES – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 03 JUL 1818 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico
3439. JOSE JUSTO SALDIVAR GOMS. – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 20 JUL 1819 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico

Vicente Zaldivar and Maria Farias Sosa had the following children:

1. Agustin Zaldivar ( my ancestor) married Ana Salinas either Monterrey or Salinas Victoria
2. Margarita Zaldivar Farias married General Diego Ayala
3. Ana Zaldivar Farias married Abrosio Cepeda Fuente
4. Vicente Zaldivar Farias m (1) Maria Ysaguirre (2) Ursula de Urrutia 1667 in Cerralvo
per Marriage Investigations of the Diocese of Guadalajara 1653 – 1750 (1-2) Boderladns Books
5. Marianna Zaldivar Farias married Diego Garcia Quintanilla
6. Maria Zaldivar Farias married Bernardo Garcia Quintanilla brother of DIego.

Agustin Zaldivar and Ana Salinas had a son Juan Zaldivar, he could be the one who married
Ysabel Garza. It is correct time period.

I don’t know Vicente and Ursula’s children. Check Israel Cavazos books on Protocolos of Monterrey for wills. That is where I found Agustin’s. You can get Cavazos books from Borderlands Books. THere is a CD out also. ALso your library copies are available interlibrary loan.
My money is on Agustin.

There might be more.
—
Esther A. Herold

————– Original message from Lester Alvarado : ————–

>
> Hi there Esther ,
>
> First off , Thanks for the help . #1. I haven’t checked on the death
> certificates or baptisms but I will . #2. I have the marraige certificate of
> Candelario Alvarado and Quirina Saldivar dated Oct. 26, 1844 married in the
> church of Villa de Santiago , Nuevo Leon .
>
> In the marriage certificate it shows Juan Jose Saldivar and Maria Ygnacia Gomez
> as the parents of Quirina . Juan and Maria were married on Sept. 25, 1817 . I
> don’t have the origen of the marraige .
>
> Here is what I have :
> Quirina Saldivar Gomez : parents are Juan Jose Saldivar Rodriguez de Montemayor
> y Ayala and Maria Ygnacia Gomez Alanis
>
> Juan Jose Saldivar’s parents : Jose Gregorio Saldivar Garza and Juana Maria
> Rodriguez de Montemayor y Ayala Silva
>
> Jose Gregorios parents : Agustin Saldivar Garza and Ana Josefa Rodriguez de
> Montemayor ( married Feb. 6, 1732 )
>
> Agustin Saldivars parents : Juan Saldivar and Ysabel de la Garza Montemayor
> In still searching and trying to connect the Zaldivars or Saldivars to the ones
> in Zacatecas .
>
>
> Gotta go ,
> Welester
>
>
>
> > From: eaherold@att.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sun, 17 Dec
> 2006 20:08:45 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos Members
> facing the gallows!> > http://www.registropublicocoahuila.gob.mx/ Registro de
> Civil COahuila> > in doing research you must check death certificates for places
> of birth. Do you have the death certificate for Juan Jose Saldivar or a baptism?
> What documents do you have Quirina Saldivar Gomez and what do the documents
> say?> > –> Esther A. Herold> > > ————– Original message from Lester
> Alvarado : ————– > > > > Howdy Ernie , > > No , I
> haven’t heard of them but I will look into it for you , let’s see > > somewhere
> around 1931 . I will also ask my friends at the Family Search Center > > to keep
> an eye out . Will keep you posted . > > > > Welester > > > > > > > > > Date:
> Sat, 16 Dec 2006 08:00:07 -0800> From: chuparrosa50@yahoo.com> To: > >
> general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos >
> > Members facing the gallows!> > It’s good to hear from you.> > I’ll let you
> know > > if I can dig anything up.> > I have relatives I’ve never met in Nuevo
> Leon. Part > > of> my maternal Porras clan. They left Hidalgo del Parral,>
> Chihuahua maybe 75 > > years ago to open a branch of> Pastas Porras in Nuevo
> Leon.> > I’ve seen > > newspaper clippings of them, whiter than> white!> Have
> you heard of them?> > > > Happy Holdiays, Ernie.> > > — Lester Alvarado
> wrote:> > > > > Hello Ernie ,> > > > Maybe you could help me here , I am trying
> to> > connect > > my great great grandmother her name is> > Quirina Saldivar
> Gomez to Vicente de > > Zaldivar in> > Zacatecas . Quirina’s father was Juan
> Jose Saldivar> > . I > > believe that his father was from Saltillo ,> > Coahuila
> from there I don’t have > > anymore info . I> > have read that one of Vicente’s
> son’s came to> > Saltillo , > > I just don’t know when . > > > > In the Archivos
> Historicos de Monterrey in the> > > > protocolos there appears the name of
> Saldivar here> > is what it says :Fondo: > > Ciudad Metropolitana de> >
> Monterrey (segunda

Posted : 20/12/2006 5:45 am

ayalarobles

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On film 0605464 are listed the following Zaldivars:

MA. JUANA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 APR 1824 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico

5. MA. QUILINA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 JAN 1821 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico

Vicente Zaldivar and Maria Farias Sosa had the following children:

Agustin Zaldivar and Ana Salinas had a son Juan Zaldivar, he could be the one who married
Ysabel Garza. It is correct time period.

There might be more.
—
Esther A. Herold

————– Original message from Lester Alvarado : ————–

Posted : 20/12/2006 5:45 am

Welester

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Wow Yeaaaaaa wowowwowowowow

The first set of Saldivars is listed my great great grandmother Quirina ( not Quilina ) and the rest of them are siblings . What a Christmas present Esther and Juan Zaldivar is the one that is married to Ysabel de la Garza , I don’t have the wedding date as of yet .

The film is from what period , town . I will order it today I’m helping out a couple of Mormons with some genealogy stuff .
Really Esther , thank you so very much you brought tears to my eyes .

Your new best friend ,
Welester

> From: eaherold@att.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 05:44:33 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos Members facing the gallows!> > On film 0605464 are listed the following Zaldivars:> > MA. JUANA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 02 APR 1824 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > > 5. MA. QUILINA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 06 JAN 1821 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > > 6. MA. FLORENCIA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 14 MAR 1822 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > 3430. MARIA SECUNDINA SALDIVAR GOMES – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 03 JUL 1818 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > 3439. JOSE JUSTO SALDIVAR GOMS. – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Christening: 20 JUL 1819 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > > > Vicente Zaldivar and Maria Farias Sosa had the following children:> > 1. Agustin Zaldivar ( my ancestor) married Ana Salinas either Monterrey or Salinas Victoria> 2. Margarita Zaldivar Farias married General Diego Ayala> 3. Ana Zaldivar Farias married Abrosio Cepeda Fuente> 4. Vicente Zaldivar Farias m (1) Maria Ysaguirre (2) Ursula de Urrutia 1667 in Cerralvo> per Marriage Investigations of the Diocese of Guadalajara 1653 – 1750 (1-2) Boderladns Books> 5. Marianna Zaldivar Farias married Diego Garcia Quintanilla> 6. Maria Zaldivar Farias married Bernardo Garcia Quintanilla brother of DIego.> > Agustin Zaldivar and Ana Salinas had a son Juan Zaldivar, he could be the one who married> Ysabel Garza. It is correct time period.> > I don’t know Vicente and Ursula’s children. Check Israel Cavazos books on Protocolos of Monterrey for wills. That is where I found Agustin’s. You can get Cavazos books from Borderlands Books. THere is a CD out also. ALso your library copies are available interlibrary loan.> My money is on Agustin.> > > > There might be more.> –> Esther A. Herold> > > ————– Original message from Lester Alvarado : ————– > > > > > > Hi there Esther , > > > > First off , Thanks for the help . #1. I haven’t checked on the death > > certificates or baptisms but I will . #2. I have the marraige certificate of > > Candelario Alvarado and Quirina Saldivar dated Oct. 26, 1844 married in the > > church of Villa de Santiago , Nuevo Leon . > > > > In the marriage certificate it shows Juan Jose Saldivar and Maria Ygnacia Gomez > > as the parents of Quirina . Juan and Maria were married on Sept. 25, 1817 . I > > don’t have the origen of the marraige . > > > > Here is what I have : > > Quirina Saldivar Gomez : parents are Juan Jose Saldivar Rodriguez de Montemayor > > y Ayala and Maria Ygnacia Gomez Alanis > > > > Juan Jose Saldivar’s parents : Jose Gregorio Saldivar Garza and Juana Maria > > Rodriguez de Montemayor y Ayala Silva > > > > Jose Gregorios parents : Agustin Saldivar Garza and Ana Josefa Rodriguez de > > Montemayor ( married Feb. 6, 1732 ) > > > > Agustin Saldivars parents : Juan Saldivar and Ysabel de la Garza Montemayor > > In still searching and trying to connect the Zaldivars or Saldivars to the ones > > in Zacatecas . > > > > > > Gotta go , > > Welester > > > > > > > > > From: eaherold@att.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sun, 17 Dec > > 2006 20:08:45 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos Members > > facing the gallows!> > http://www.registropublicocoahuila.gob.mx/ Registro de > > Civil COahuila> > in doing research you must check death certificates for places > > of birth. Do you have the death certificate for Juan Jose Saldivar or a baptism? > > What documents do you have Quirina Saldivar Gomez and what do the documents > > say?> > –> Esther A. Herold> > > ————– Original message from Lester > > Alvarado : ————– > > > > Howdy Ernie , > > No , I > > haven’t heard of them but I will look into it for you , let’s see > > somewhere > > around 1931 . I will also ask my friends at the Family Search Center > > to keep > > an eye out . Will keep you posted . > > > > Welester > > > > > > > > > Date: > > Sat, 16 Dec 2006 08:00:07 -0800> From: chuparrosa50@yahoo.com> To: > > > > general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos > > > > Members facing the gallows!> > It’s good to hear from you.> > I’ll let you > > know > > if I can dig anything up.> > I have relatives I’ve never met in Nuevo > > Leon. Part > > of> my maternal Porras clan. They left Hidalgo del Parral,> > > Chihuahua maybe 75 > > years ago to open a branch of> Pastas Porras in Nuevo > > Leon.> > I’ve seen > > newspaper clippings of them, whiter than> white!> Have > > you heard of them?> > > > Happy Holdiays, Ernie.> > > — Lester Alvarado > > wrote:> > > > > Hello Ernie ,> > > > Maybe you could help me here , I am trying > > to> > connect > > my great great grandmother her name is> > Quirina Saldivar > > Gomez to Vicente de > > Zaldivar in> > Zacatecas . Quirina’s father was Juan > > Jose Saldivar> > . I > > believe that his father was from Saltillo ,> > Coahuila > > from there I don’t have > > anymore info . I> > have read that one of Vicente’s > > son’s came to> > Saltillo , > > I just don’t know when . > > > > In the Archivos > > Historicos de Monterrey in the> > > > protocolos there appears the name of > > Saldivar here> > is what it says :Fondo: > > Ciudad Metropolitana de> > > > Monterrey (segunda época)Sección de Fondo:> > > > MinasSerie: DonacionesTítulo: > > Donación de una barra> > de minaLengua: > > ESPAÑOLLugar: MONTERREYFecha:> > > > 12/Sep/1633Fojas: 1Colección: > > PROTOCOLOSVolumen: > > 1Expediente: > > > > 1Folio: 31 NO.21Notas: Descripción: Don > > Diego> > Fernández de Montemayor > > hace donación a doña Ana de> > Saldívar, hija > > del Capitán don Vicente de > > Saldívar,> > su sobrina, de una barra de mina de las > > cuatro que> > le > > pertenecen a doña Juliana de las Casas, su mujer,> > por > > donación de Marcos > > de las Casas, su hermano, en> > las minas de Nuestra Señora > > del Rosario, en > > el cerro> > de San Nicolás de Tolentino. Ante Miguel de> > > > Montemayor, > > Alcalde Ordinario, y Juan de Ábrego,> > Secretario. Testigos Marcos > > y > > Bernabé de las Casas> > y Francisco de Treviño.> > > > This coming monday Im > > > > going to visit the genealogist> > in Vill de Santiago here in Nuevo Leon , he > > > > has a> > copy of Guillermo Garmendia Leal’s book . Im gonna> > check and see > > if > > there is any info I can use to> > connect the dots .> > > > Thanks ,> > > > > > Welester> > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:10:29 -0800> From:> > > > > > chuparrosa50@yahoo.com> To:> > general@nuestrosranchos.org;> > > > > > research@nuestrosranchos.org;> > announce@nuestrosranchos.org;> > > > > > general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros> > Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos > > > > Members facing the> > gallows!> > For those of you about to be dropped> > from > > > > our roster I> would like to offer my help in> > organizing your family> tree, > > or > > research> > objectives.> > I am available here in person in San> > > > Francsicso, > > or by> email.> I like working with> > historical matters. > > If > > you have not > > submitted> > your family tree because you> don’t feel it is> > > > ready, at least > > let me take a look at> it. > > We> > can work together to > > get you past the > > coming>> > deadline.> We are stonger as a community with > > you> > with us.> > > > Christmas greetings to all. 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Posted : 20/12/2006 2:45 pm

Welester

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Wow Yeaaaaaa wowowwowowowow

The film is from what period , town . I will order it today I’m helping out a couple of Mormons with some genealogy stuff .
Really Esther , thank you so very much you brought tears to my eyes .

Your new best friend ,
Welester

Posted : 20/12/2006 2:45 pm

Welester

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Hi again Esther ,

I got carried away and didn’t finish my mail to you he he 😉

So , this means that Juans’ parents were Agustin and Ana and Agustins’ parents were Vicente Zaldivar and Maria Farias Sosa , if this is so then you’ve just given me the connection from Zacatecas to Nuevo Leon !

Thanks again and again and again and one more again !

Welester

Posted : 20/12/2006 3:00 pm

Welester

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Hi again Esther ,

I got carried away and didn’t finish my mail to you he he 😉

Thanks again and again and again and one more again !

Welester

Posted : 20/12/2006 3:00 pm

longsjourney

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Welester, boy do I know that feeling when we connect after a long search.. Every time I see someone in the group share so openly and with documentation I see again why I belong to this group. Some of us take a little longer to gather info but let there be a need, and this group is there for you.. I’m still trying to gather the Banuelos/Quesada info to send back to “La Reina” slowly it’s coming together….
Well done group!
Linda in Everett

Lester Alvarado wrote:
Hi again Esther ,

I got carried away and didn’t finish my mail to you he he 😉

Thanks again and again and again and one more again !

Welester

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Posted : 20/12/2006 5:15 pm

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Lester Alvarado wrote:
Hi again Esther ,

I got carried away and didn’t finish my mail to you he he 😉

Thanks again and again and again and one more again !

Welester

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Posted : 20/12/2006 5:15 pm

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Hola Welester: Congratulations on your new findings, with the wonderful assistance from Esther. I share your joy. Your ancestors are there for you to find them.

I had been searching for my Robles line for about 5 years, and…nada…then I posted the information to the group. Emilie, from Port Orchard, WA., found the missing link. Within a few months I was able to trace them back to 1704. This is wonderful…being so grateful to the two ladies for these random acts of kindness.
Again, I share you joy.
Helyn

Lester Alvarado wrote:
Wow Yeaaaaaa wowowwowowowow

The film is from what period , town . I will order it today I’m helping out a couple of Mormons with some genealogy stuff .
Really Esther , thank you so very much you brought tears to my eyes .

Your new best friend ,
Welester

> From: eaherold@att.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 05:44:33 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos Members facing the gallows!> > On film 0605464 are listed the following Zaldivars:> > MA. JUANA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 02 APR 1824 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > > 5. MA. QUILINA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 06 JAN 1821 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > > 6. MA. FLORENCIA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 14 MAR 1822 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > 3430. MARIA SECUNDINA SALDIVAR GOMES – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 03 JUL 1818 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > 3439. JOSE JUSTO SALDIVAR GOMS. – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Christening: 20 JUL 1819 Santiago
Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > > > Vicente Zaldivar and Maria Farias Sosa had the following children:> > 1. Agustin Zaldivar ( my ancestor) married Ana Salinas either Monterrey or Salinas Victoria> 2. Margarita Zaldivar Farias married General Diego Ayala> 3. Ana Zaldivar Farias married Abrosio Cepeda Fuente> 4. Vicente Zaldivar Farias m (1) Maria Ysaguirre (2) Ursula de Urrutia 1667 in Cerralvo> per Marriage Investigations of the Diocese of Guadalajara 1653 – 1750 (1-2) Boderladns Books> 5. Marianna Zaldivar Farias married Diego Garcia Quintanilla> 6. Maria Zaldivar Farias married Bernardo Garcia Quintanilla brother of DIego.> > Agustin Zaldivar and Ana Salinas had a son Juan Zaldivar, he could be the one who married> Ysabel Garza. It is correct time period.> > I don’t know Vicente and Ursula’s children. Check Israel Cavazos books on Protocolos of Monterrey for wills. That is where I found Agustin’s. You can get Cavazos books from Borderlands Books. THere is a CD
out also. ALso your library copies are available interlibrary loan.> My money is on Agustin.> > > > There might be more.> –> Esther A. Herold> > > ————– Original message from Lester Alvarado : ————– > > > > > > Hi there Esther , > > > > First off , Thanks for the help . #1. I haven’t checked on the death > > certificates or baptisms but I will . #2. I have the marraige certificate of > > Candelario Alvarado and Quirina Saldivar dated Oct. 26, 1844 married in the > > church of Villa de Santiago , Nuevo Leon . > > > > In the marriage certificate it shows Juan Jose Saldivar and Maria Ygnacia Gomez > > as the parents of Quirina . Juan and Maria were married on Sept. 25, 1817 . I > > don’t have the origen of the marraige . > > > > Here is what I have : > > Quirina Saldivar Gomez : parents are Juan Jose Saldivar Rodriguez de Montemayor > > y Ayala and Maria Ygnacia Gomez Alanis > > > > Juan Jose Saldivar’s parents : Jose Gregorio Saldivar Garza and Juana Maria
> > Rodriguez de Montemayor y Ayala Silva > > > > Jose Gregorios parents : Agustin Saldivar Garza and Ana Josefa Rodriguez de > > Montemayor ( married Feb. 6, 1732 ) > > > > Agustin Saldivars parents : Juan Saldivar and Ysabel de la Garza Montemayor > > In still searching and trying to connect the Zaldivars or Saldivars to the ones > > in Zacatecas . > > > > > > Gotta go , > > Welester > > > > > > > > > From: eaherold@att.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sun, 17 Dec > > 2006 20:08:45 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos Members > > facing the gallows!> > http://www.registropublicocoahuila.gob.mx/ Registro de > > Civil COahuila> > in doing research you must check death certificates for places > > of birth. Do you have the death certificate for Juan Jose Saldivar or a baptism? > > What documents do you have Quirina Saldivar Gomez and what do the documents > > say?> > –> Esther A. Herold> > > ————– Original message from Lester > >
Alvarado : ————– > > > > Howdy Ernie , > > No , I > > haven’t heard of them but I will look into it for you , let’s see > > somewhere > > around 1931 . I will also ask my friends at the Family Search Center > > to keep > > an eye out . Will keep you posted . > > > > Welester > > > > > > > > > Date: > > Sat, 16 Dec 2006 08:00:07 -0800> From: chuparrosa50@yahoo.com> To: > > > > general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos > > > > Members facing the gallows!> > It’s good to hear from you.> > I’ll let you > > know > > if I can dig anything up.> > I have relatives I’ve never met in Nuevo > > Leon. Part > > of> my maternal Porras clan. They left Hidalgo del Parral,> > > Chihuahua maybe 75 > > years ago to open a branch of> Pastas Porras in Nuevo > > Leon.> > I’ve seen > > newspaper clippings of them, whiter than> white!> Have > > you heard of them?> > > > Happy Holdiays, Ernie.> > > — Lester Alvarado > > wrote:> > > > > Hello Ernie ,>
> > > Maybe you could help me here , I am trying > > to> > connect > > my great great grandmother her name is> > Quirina Saldivar > > Gomez to Vicente de > > Zaldivar in> > Zacatecas . Quirina’s father was Juan > > Jose Saldivar> > . I > > believe that his father was from Saltillo ,> > Coahuila > > from there I don’t have > > anymore info . I> > have read that one of Vicente’s > > son’s came to> > Saltillo , > > I just don’t know when . > > > > In the Archivos > > Historicos de Monterrey in the> > > > protocolos there appears the name of > > Saldivar here> > is what it says :Fondo: > > Ciudad Metropolitana de> > > > Monterrey (segunda época)Sección de Fondo:> > > > MinasSerie: DonacionesTítulo: > > Donación de una barra> > de minaLengua: > > ESPAÑOLLugar: MONTERREYFecha:> > > > 12/Sep/1633Fojas: 1Colección: > > PROTOCOLOSVolumen: > > 1Expediente: > > > > 1Folio: 31 NO.21Notas: Descripción: Don > > Diego> > Fernández de Montemayor > > hace donación a doña Ana de> >
Saldívar, hija > > del Capitán don Vicente de > > Saldívar,> > su sobrina, de una barra de mina de las > > cuatro que> > le > > pertenecen a doña Juliana de las Casas, su mujer,> > por > > donación de Marcos > > de las Casas, su hermano, en> > las minas de Nuestra Señora > > del Rosario, en > > el cerro> > de San Nicolás de Tolentino. Ante Miguel de> > > > Montemayor, > > Alcalde Ordinario, y Juan de Ábrego,> > Secretario. Testigos Marcos > > y > > Bernabé de las Casas> > y Francisco de Treviño.> > > > This coming monday Im > > > > going to visit the genealogist> > in Vill de Santiago here in Nuevo Leon , he > > > > has a> > copy of Guillermo Garmendia Leal’s book . Im gonna> > check and see > > if > > there is any info I can use to> > connect the dots .> > > > Thanks ,> > > > > > Welester> > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:10:29 -0800> From:> > > > > > chuparrosa50@yahoo.com> To:> > general@nuestrosranchos.org;> > > > > > research@nuestrosranchos.org;> >
announce@nuestrosranchos.org;> > > > > > general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros> > Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos > > > > Members facing the> > gallows!> > For those of you about to be dropped> > from > > > > our roster I> would like to offer my help in> > organizing your family> tree, > > or > > research> > objectives.> > I am available here in person in San> > > > Francsicso, > > or by> email.> I like working with> > historical matters. > > If > > you have not > > submitted> > your family tree because you> don’t feel it is> > > > ready, at least > > let me take a look at> it. > > We> > can work together to > > get you past the > > coming>> > deadline.> We are stonger as a community with > > you> > with us.> > > > Christmas greetings to all. Have a happy> > and healthy> > > holiday.> > Ernie > > Alderete> 47 th> > Avenue @ Balboa> San Francisco, Ca. > > 94121> >> > Felicidades > > Navidenas y Guadalupanas a todos.> > > >> >> > > > >
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Posted : 20/12/2006 5:30 pm

mistyriver123

(@mistyriver123)

Posts: 122

Hola Welester: Congratulations on your new findings, with the wonderful assistance from Esther. I share your joy. Your ancestors are there for you to find them.

Lester Alvarado wrote:
Wow Yeaaaaaa wowowwowowowow

The film is from what period , town . I will order it today I’m helping out a couple of Mormons with some genealogy stuff .
Really Esther , thank you so very much you brought tears to my eyes .

Your new best friend ,
Welester

> From: eaherold@att.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 05:44:33 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos Members facing the gallows!> > On film 0605464 are listed the following Zaldivars:> > MA. JUANA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 02 APR 1824 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > > 5. MA. QUILINA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 06 JAN 1821 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > > 6. MA. FLORENCIA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 14 MAR 1822 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > 3430. MARIA SECUNDINA SALDIVAR GOMES – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 03 JUL 1818 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > 3439. JOSE JUSTO SALDIVAR GOMS. – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Christening: 20 JUL 1819 Santiago
Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > > > Vicente Zaldivar and Maria Farias Sosa had the following children:> > 1. Agustin Zaldivar ( my ancestor) married Ana Salinas either Monterrey or Salinas Victoria> 2. Margarita Zaldivar Farias married General Diego Ayala> 3. Ana Zaldivar Farias married Abrosio Cepeda Fuente> 4. Vicente Zaldivar Farias m (1) Maria Ysaguirre (2) Ursula de Urrutia 1667 in Cerralvo> per Marriage Investigations of the Diocese of Guadalajara 1653 – 1750 (1-2) Boderladns Books> 5. Marianna Zaldivar Farias married Diego Garcia Quintanilla> 6. Maria Zaldivar Farias married Bernardo Garcia Quintanilla brother of DIego.> > Agustin Zaldivar and Ana Salinas had a son Juan Zaldivar, he could be the one who married> Ysabel Garza. It is correct time period.> > I don’t know Vicente and Ursula’s children. Check Israel Cavazos books on Protocolos of Monterrey for wills. That is where I found Agustin’s. You can get Cavazos books from Borderlands Books. THere is a CD
out also. ALso your library copies are available interlibrary loan.> My money is on Agustin.> > > > There might be more.> –> Esther A. Herold> > > ————– Original message from Lester Alvarado : ————– > > > > > > Hi there Esther , > > > > First off , Thanks for the help . #1. I haven’t checked on the death > > certificates or baptisms but I will . #2. I have the marraige certificate of > > Candelario Alvarado and Quirina Saldivar dated Oct. 26, 1844 married in the > > church of Villa de Santiago , Nuevo Leon . > > > > In the marriage certificate it shows Juan Jose Saldivar and Maria Ygnacia Gomez > > as the parents of Quirina . Juan and Maria were married on Sept. 25, 1817 . I > > don’t have the origen of the marraige . > > > > Here is what I have : > > Quirina Saldivar Gomez : parents are Juan Jose Saldivar Rodriguez de Montemayor > > y Ayala and Maria Ygnacia Gomez Alanis > > > > Juan Jose Saldivar’s parents : Jose Gregorio Saldivar Garza and Juana Maria
> > Rodriguez de Montemayor y Ayala Silva > > > > Jose Gregorios parents : Agustin Saldivar Garza and Ana Josefa Rodriguez de > > Montemayor ( married Feb. 6, 1732 ) > > > > Agustin Saldivars parents : Juan Saldivar and Ysabel de la Garza Montemayor > > In still searching and trying to connect the Zaldivars or Saldivars to the ones > > in Zacatecas . > > > > > > Gotta go , > > Welester > > > > > > > > > From: eaherold@att.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sun, 17 Dec > > 2006 20:08:45 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos Members > > facing the gallows!> > http://www.registropublicocoahuila.gob.mx/ Registro de > > Civil COahuila> > in doing research you must check death certificates for places > > of birth. Do you have the death certificate for Juan Jose Saldivar or a baptism? > > What documents do you have Quirina Saldivar Gomez and what do the documents > > say?> > –> Esther A. Herold> > > ————– Original message from Lester > >
Alvarado : ————– > > > > Howdy Ernie , > > No , I > > haven’t heard of them but I will look into it for you , let’s see > > somewhere > > around 1931 . I will also ask my friends at the Family Search Center > > to keep > > an eye out . Will keep you posted . > > > > Welester > > > > > > > > > Date: > > Sat, 16 Dec 2006 08:00:07 -0800> From: chuparrosa50@yahoo.com> To: > > > > general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos > > > > Members facing the gallows!> > It’s good to hear from you.> > I’ll let you > > know > > if I can dig anything up.> > I have relatives I’ve never met in Nuevo > > Leon. Part > > of> my maternal Porras clan. They left Hidalgo del Parral,> > > Chihuahua maybe 75 > > years ago to open a branch of> Pastas Porras in Nuevo > > Leon.> > I’ve seen > > newspaper clippings of them, whiter than> white!> Have > > you heard of them?> > > > Happy Holdiays, Ernie.> > > — Lester Alvarado > > wrote:> > > > > Hello Ernie ,>
> > > Maybe you could help me here , I am trying > > to> > connect > > my great great grandmother her name is> > Quirina Saldivar > > Gomez to Vicente de > > Zaldivar in> > Zacatecas . Quirina’s father was Juan > > Jose Saldivar> > . I > > believe that his father was from Saltillo ,> > Coahuila > > from there I don’t have > > anymore info . I> > have read that one of Vicente’s > > son’s came to> > Saltillo , > > I just don’t know when . > > > > In the Archivos > > Historicos de Monterrey in the> > > > protocolos there appears the name of > > Saldivar here> > is what it says :Fondo: > > Ciudad Metropolitana de> > > > Monterrey (segunda época)Sección de Fondo:> > > > MinasSerie: DonacionesTítulo: > > Donación de una barra> > de minaLengua: > > ESPAÑOLLugar: MONTERREYFecha:> > > > 12/Sep/1633Fojas: 1Colección: > > PROTOCOLOSVolumen: > > 1Expediente: > > > > 1Folio: 31 NO.21Notas: Descripción: Don > > Diego> > Fernández de Montemayor > > hace donación a doña Ana de> >
Saldívar, hija > > del Capitán don Vicente de > > Saldívar,> > su sobrina, de una barra de mina de las > > cuatro que> > le > > pertenecen a doña Juliana de las Casas, su mujer,> > por > > donación de Marcos > > de las Casas, su hermano, en> > las minas de Nuestra Señora > > del Rosario, en > > el cerro> > de San Nicolás de Tolentino. Ante Miguel de> > > > Montemayor, > > Alcalde Ordinario, y Juan de Ábrego,> > Secretario. Testigos Marcos > > y > > Bernabé de las Casas> > y Francisco de Treviño.> > > > This coming monday Im > > > > going to visit the genealogist> > in Vill de Santiago here in Nuevo Leon , he > > > > has a> > copy of Guillermo Garmendia Leal’s book . Im gonna> > check and see > > if > > there is any info I can use to> > connect the dots .> > > > Thanks ,> > > > > > Welester> > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:10:29 -0800> From:> > > > > > chuparrosa50@yahoo.com> To:> > general@nuestrosranchos.org;> > > > > > research@nuestrosranchos.org;> >
announce@nuestrosranchos.org;> > > > > > general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros> > Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos > > > > Members facing the> > gallows!> > For those of you about to be dropped> > from > > > > our roster I> would like to offer my help in> > organizing your family> tree, > > or > > research> > objectives.> > I am available here in person in San> > > > Francsicso, > > or by> email.> I like working with> > historical matters. > > If > > you have not > > submitted> > your family tree because you> don’t feel it is> > > > ready, at least > > let me take a look at> it. > > We> > can work together to > > get you past the > > coming>> > deadline.> We are stonger as a community with > > you> > with us.> > > > Christmas greetings to all. Have a happy> > and healthy> > > holiday.> > Ernie > > Alderete> 47 th> > Avenue @ Balboa> San Francisco, Ca. > > 94121> >> > Felicidades > > Navidenas y Guadalupanas a todos.> > > >> >> > > > >
________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > ____>> > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at> > > > www.Answers.yahoo.com. > > Try it now.> — — — — –> > — — — — — — — > > — > Nuestros Ranchos > > General> > Mailing List> > To post, send email to:>> > > > > > general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your> > subscription, log on > > to:>> > > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> >> > > > > _________________________________________________________________> > Check the > > > > weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it> > now!> >> > > > > http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG> > — — — — — — — > > > > — — — — — — > > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > > > To post, > > send > > email to:> > general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > > > To change your > > subscription, > > log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________> Do
You Yahoo!?> Tired of > > > > spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > — — — — — — — — — — — — — > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing > > List> > > > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change > > your > > subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Check the > > weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! > > > > http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG > > — — — — — — > > — — — — — — — > > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List > > > > To post, > > send email to: > > general(at)nuestrosranchos.org > > > > To change your > > subscription, log on to: > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself with gadgets on Windows Live Spaces > > http://discoverspaces.live.com?source=hmtag1&loc=us > >

Posted : 20/12/2006 5:30 pm

ayalarobles

(@ayalarobles)

Posts: 247

Welester,

Seeing as I am descended from Agustin also that makes us distant cousins. The Marriage investigation on Diego Ayala and Margarita Zaldivar documents the whole ancestry of Vicente Zaldivar, Margarita’s father.
You should get the 2 volume work from Borderland Books. Also the CD on THe works of Israel Cavazos on Protocolos of Monterrey. I recently purchased the CD but I don’t think all the protocolos
are on it. I think there might be more in his books.

AyalaRobles
—
Esther A. Herold

————– Original message from Lester Alvarado : ————–

> Hi again Esther ,
>
> I got carried away and didn’t finish my mail to you he he 😉
>
> So , this means that Juans’ parents were Agustin and Ana and Agustins’ parents
> were Vicente Zaldivar and Maria Farias Sosa , if this is so then you’ve just
> given me the connection from Zacatecas to Nuevo Leon !
>
> Thanks again and again and again and one more again !
>
> Welester
>
>
>
> > From: eaherold@att.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 20 Dec
> 2006 05:44:33 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos Members
> facing the gallows!> > On film 0605464 are listed the following Zaldivars:> >
> MA. JUANA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female
> Christening: 02 APR 1824 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > > 5.
> MA. QUILINA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female
> Christening: 06 JAN 1821 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > > 6.
> MA. FLORENCIA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female
> Christening: 14 MAR 1822 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > 3430.
> MARIA SECUNDINA SALDIVAR GOMES – International Genealogical Index > Gender:
> Female Christening: 03 JUL 1818 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico >
> 3439. JOSE JUSTO SALDIVAR GOMS. – International Genealogical Index > Gender:
> Male Christening: 20 JUL 1819 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > >
> > Vicente Zaldivar and Maria Farias Sosa had the following children:> > 1.
> Agustin Zaldivar ( my ancestor) married Ana Salinas either Monterrey or Salinas
> Victoria> 2. Margarita Zaldivar Farias married General Diego Ayala> 3. Ana
> Zaldivar Farias married Abrosio Cepeda Fuente> 4. Vicente Zaldivar Farias m (1)
> Maria Ysaguirre (2) Ursula de Urrutia 1667 in Cerralvo> per Marriage
> Investigations of the Diocese of Guadalajara 1653 – 1750 (1-2) Boderladns Books>
> 5. Marianna Zaldivar Farias married Diego Garcia Quintanilla> 6. Maria Zaldivar
> Farias married Bernardo Garcia Quintanilla brother of DIego.> > Agustin Zaldivar
> and Ana Salinas had a son Juan Zaldivar, he could be the one who married> Ysabel
> Garza. It is correct time period.> > I don’t know Vicente and Ursula’s children.
> Check Israel Cavazos books on Protocolos of Monterrey for wills. That is where I
> found Agustin’s. You can get Cavazos books from Borderlands Books. THere is a CD
> out also. ALso your library copies are available interlibrary loan.> My money is
> on Agustin.> > > > There might be more.> –> Esther A. Herold> > >
> ————– Original message from Lester Alvarado :
> ————– > > > > > > Hi there Esther , > > > > First off , Thanks for the
> help . #1. I haven’t checked on the death > > certificates or baptisms but I
> will . #2. I have the marraige certificate of > > Candelario Alvarado and
> Quirina Saldivar dated Oct. 26, 1844 married in the > > church of Villa de
> Santiago , Nuevo Leon . > > > > In the marriage certificate it shows Juan Jose
> Saldivar and Maria Ygnacia Gomez > > as the parents of Quirina . Juan and Maria
> were married on Sept. 25, 1817 . I > > don’t have the origen of the marraige . >
> > > > Here is what I have : > > Quirina Saldivar Gomez : parents are Juan Jose
> Saldivar Rodriguez de Montemayor > > y Ayala and Maria Ygnacia Gomez Alanis > >
> > > Juan Jose Saldivar’s parents : Jose Gregorio Saldivar Garza and Juana Maria
> > > Rodriguez de Montemayor y Ayala Silva > > > > Jose Gregorios parents :
> Agustin Saldivar Garza and Ana Josefa Rodriguez de > > Montemayor ( married Feb.
> 6, 1732 ) > > > > Agustin Saldivars parents : Juan Saldivar and Ysabel de la
> Garza Montemayor > > In still searching and trying to connect the Zaldivars or
> Saldivars to the ones > > in Zacatecas . > > > > > > Gotta go , > > Welester > >
> > > > > > > > From: eaherold@att.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date:
> Sun, 17 Dec > > 2006 20:08:45 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros
> Ranchos Members > > facing the gallows!> >
> http://www.registropublicocoahuila.gob.mx/ Registro de > > Civil COahuila> > in
> doing research you must check death certificates for places > > of birth. Do you
> have the death certificate for Juan Jose Saldivar or a baptism? > > What
> documents do you have Quirina Saldivar Gomez and what do the documents > > say?>
> > –> Esther A. Herold> > > ————– Original message from Lester > >
> Alvarado : ————– > > > > Howdy Ernie , > > No , I > > haven’t heard of
> them but I will look into it for you , let’s see > > somewhere > > around 1931 .
> I will also ask my friends at the Family Search Center > > to keep > > an eye
> out . Will keep you posted . > > > > Welester > > > > > > > > > Date: > > Sat,
> 16 Dec 2006 08:00:07 -0800> From: chuparrosa50@yahoo.com> To: > > > >
> general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos >
> > > > Members facing the gallows!> > It’s good to hear from you.> > I’ll let you
> > > know > > if I can dig anything up.> > I have relatives I’ve never met in
> Nuevo > > Leon. Part > > of> my maternal Porras clan. They left Hidalgo del
> Parral,> > > Chihuahua maybe 75 > > years ago to open a branch of> Pastas Porras
> in Nuevo > > Leon.> > I’ve seen > > newspaper clippings of them, whiter than>
> white!> Have > > you heard of them?> > > > Happy Holdiays, Ernie.> > > —
> Lester Alvarado > > wrote:> > > > > Hello Ernie ,> > > > Maybe you could help me
> here , I am trying > > to> > connect > > my great great grandmother her name is>
> > Quirina Saldivar > > Gomez to Vicente de > > Zaldivar in> > Zacatecas .
> Quirina’s father was Juan > > Jose Saldivar> > . I > > believe that his father
> was from Saltillo ,> > Coahuila > > from there I don’t have > > anymore info .
> I> > have read that one of Vicente’s > > son’s came to> > Saltillo , > > I just
> don’t know when . > > > > In the Archivos > > Historicos de Monterrey in the> >
> > > protocolos there appears the name of > > Saldivar here> > is what it says
> :Fondo: > > Ciudad Metropolitana de> > > > Monterrey (segunda

Posted : 20/12/2006 8:30 pm

ayalarobles

(@ayalarobles)

Posts: 247

Welester,

AyalaRobles
—
Esther A. Herold

————– Original message from Lester Alvarado : ————–

Posted : 20/12/2006 8:30 pm

Welester

(@welester)

Posts: 234

Reputable Member

Howdy Esther ,

I met Israel a few weeks back at a book signing for Elio J. Bottello his book title : VIDA Y GENEALOGIA DE LOS BOTTELLO he’s a nice man , getting on with his years but his wife seems to also be very much into the genealogy . Interesting book , talks about how some of the Bottellos’ changed thier name from Carvajal de la Cueva to Bottello during the inquisition . It also mentions some surnames like Cerda , Lozano and Morton .

I will look into the books you mentioned cuz 😉

Welester

> From: eaherold@att.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:23:45 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos Members facing the gallows!> > Welester,> > Seeing as I am descended from Agustin also that makes us distant cousins. The Marriage investigation on Diego Ayala and Margarita Zaldivar documents the whole ancestry of Vicente Zaldivar, Margarita’s father.> You should get the 2 volume work from Borderland Books. Also the CD on THe works of Israel Cavazos on Protocolos of Monterrey. I recently purchased the CD but I don’t think all the protocolos> are on it. I think there might be more in his books.> > AyalaRobles> –> Esther A. Herold> > > ————– Original message from Lester Alvarado : ————– > > > > Hi again Esther , > > > > I got carried away and didn’t finish my mail to you he he 😉 > > > > So , this means that Juans’ parents were Agustin and Ana and Agustins’ parents > > were Vicente Zaldivar and Maria Farias Sosa , if this is so then you’ve just > > given me the connection from Zacatecas to Nuevo Leon ! > > > > Thanks again and again and again and one more again ! > > > > Welester > > > > > > > > > From: eaherold@att.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 20 Dec > > 2006 05:44:33 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos Members > > facing the gallows!> > On film 0605464 are listed the following Zaldivars:> > > > MA. JUANA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female > > Christening: 02 APR 1824 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > > 5. > > MA. QUILINA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female > > Christening: 06 JAN 1821 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > > 6. > > MA. FLORENCIA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female > > Christening: 14 MAR 1822 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > 3430. > > MARIA SECUNDINA SALDIVAR GOMES – International Genealogical Index > Gender: > > Female Christening: 03 JUL 1818 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > > > 3439. JOSE JUSTO SALDIVAR GOMS. – International Genealogical Index > Gender: > > Male Christening: 20 JUL 1819 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > > > > > Vicente Zaldivar and Maria Farias Sosa had the following children:> > 1. > > Agustin Zaldivar ( my ancestor) married Ana Salinas either Monterrey or Salinas > > Victoria> 2. Margarita Zaldivar Farias married General Diego Ayala> 3. Ana > > Zaldivar Farias married Abrosio Cepeda Fuente> 4. Vicente Zaldivar Farias m (1) > > Maria Ysaguirre (2) Ursula de Urrutia 1667 in Cerralvo> per Marriage > > Investigations of the Diocese of Guadalajara 1653 – 1750 (1-2) Boderladns Books> > > 5. Marianna Zaldivar Farias married Diego Garcia Quintanilla> 6. Maria Zaldivar > > Farias married Bernardo Garcia Quintanilla brother of DIego.> > Agustin Zaldivar > > and Ana Salinas had a son Juan Zaldivar, he could be the one who married> Ysabel > > Garza. It is correct time period.> > I don’t know Vicente and Ursula’s children. > > Check Israel Cavazos books on Protocolos of Monterrey for wills. That is where I > > found Agustin’s. You can get Cavazos books from Borderlands Books. THere is a CD > > out also. ALso your library copies are available interlibrary loan.> My money is > > on Agustin.> > > > There might be more.> –> Esther A. Herold> > > > > ————– Original message from Lester Alvarado : > > ————– > > > > > > Hi there Esther , > > > > First off , Thanks for the > > help . #1. I haven’t checked on the death > > certificates or baptisms but I > > will . #2. I have the marraige certificate of > > Candelario Alvarado and > > Quirina Saldivar dated Oct. 26, 1844 married in the > > church of Villa de > > Santiago , Nuevo Leon . > > > > In the marriage certificate it shows Juan Jose > > Saldivar and Maria Ygnacia Gomez > > as the parents of Quirina . Juan and Maria > > were married on Sept. 25, 1817 . I > > don’t have the origen of the marraige . > > > > > > Here is what I have : > > Quirina Saldivar Gomez : parents are Juan Jose > > Saldivar Rodriguez de Montemayor > > y Ayala and Maria Ygnacia Gomez Alanis > > > > > > Juan Jose Saldivar’s parents : Jose Gregorio Saldivar Garza and Juana Maria > > > > Rodriguez de Montemayor y Ayala Silva > > > > Jose Gregorios parents : > > Agustin Saldivar Garza and Ana Josefa Rodriguez de > > Montemayor ( married Feb. > > 6, 1732 ) > > > > Agustin Saldivars parents : Juan Saldivar and Ysabel de la > > Garza Montemayor > > In still searching and trying to connect the Zaldivars or > > Saldivars to the ones > > in Zacatecas . > > > > > > Gotta go , > > Welester > > > > > > > > > > > From: eaherold@att.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: > > Sun, 17 Dec > > 2006 20:08:45 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros > > Ranchos Members > > facing the gallows!> > > > http://www.registropublicocoahuila.gob.mx/ Registro de > > Civil COahuila> > in > > doing research you must check death certificates for places > > of birth. Do you > > have the death certificate for Juan Jose Saldivar or a baptism? > > What > > documents do you have Quirina Saldivar Gomez and what do the documents > > say?> > > > –> Esther A. Herold> > > ————– Original message from Lester > > > > Alvarado : ————– > > > > Howdy Ernie , > > No , I > > haven’t heard of > > them but I will look into it for you , let’s see > > somewhere > > around 1931 . > > I will also ask my friends at the Family Search Center > > to keep > > an eye > > out . Will keep you posted . > > > > Welester > > > > > > > > > Date: > > Sat, > > 16 Dec 2006 08:00:07 -0800> From: chuparrosa50@yahoo.com> To: > > > > > > general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos > > > > > > Members facing the gallows!> > It’s good to hear from you.> > I’ll let you > > > > know > > if I can dig anything up.> > I have relatives I’ve never met in > > Nuevo > > Leon. Part > > of> my maternal Porras clan. They left Hidalgo del > > Parral,> > > Chihuahua maybe 75 > > years ago to open a branch of> Pastas Porras > > in Nuevo > > Leon.> > I’ve seen > > newspaper clippings of them, whiter than> > > white!> Have > > you heard of them?> > > > Happy Holdiays, Ernie.> > > — > > Lester Alvarado > > wrote:> > > > > Hello Ernie ,> > > > Maybe you could help me > > here , I am trying > > to> > connect > > my great great grandmother her name is> > > > Quirina Saldivar > > Gomez to Vicente de > > Zaldivar in> > Zacatecas . > > Quirina’s father was Juan > > Jose Saldivar> > . I > > believe that his father > > was from Saltillo ,> > Coahuila > > from there I don’t have > > anymore info . > > I> > have read that one of Vicente’s > > son’s came to> > Saltillo , > > I just > > don’t know when . > > > > In the Archivos > > Historicos de Monterrey in the> > > > > > protocolos there appears the name of > > Saldivar here> > is what it says > > :Fondo: > > Ciudad Metropolitana de> > > > Monterrey (segunda época)Sección de > > Fondo:> > > > MinasSerie: DonacionesTítulo: > > Donación de una barra> > de > > minaLengua: > > ESPAÑOLLugar: MONTERREYFecha:> > > > 12/Sep/1633Fojas: > > 1Colección: > > PROTOCOLOSVolumen: > > 1Expediente: > > > > 1Folio: 31 > > NO.21Notas: Descripción: Don > > Diego> > Fernández de Montemayor > > hace > > donación a doña Ana de> > Saldívar, hija > > del Capitán don Vicente de > > > > Saldívar,> > su sobrina, de una barra de mina de las > > cuatro que> > le > > > > pertenecen a doña Juliana de las Casas, su mujer,> > por > > donación de Marcos > > > > de las Casas, su hermano, en> > las minas de Nuestra Señora > > del Rosario, > > en > > el cerro> > de San Nicolás de Tolentino. Ante Miguel de> > > > > > Montemayor, > > Alcalde Ordinario, y Juan de Ábrego,> > Secretario. Testigos > > Marcos > > y > > Bernabé de las Casas> > y Francisco de Treviño.> > > > This > > coming monday Im > > > > going to visit the genealogist> > in Vill de Santiago > > here in Nuevo Leon , he > > > > has a> > copy of Guillermo Garmendia Leal’s book > > . Im gonna> > check and see > > if > > there is any info I can use to> > connect > > the dots .> > > > Thanks ,> > > > > > Welester> > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 14 > > Dec 2006 16:10:29 -0800> From:> > > > > > chuparrosa50@yahoo.com> To:> > > > general@nuestrosranchos.org;> > > > > > research@nuestrosranchos.org;> > > > announce@nuestrosranchos.org;> > > > > > general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: > > [Nuestros> > Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos > > > > Members facing the> > gallows!> > > > For those of you about to be dropped> > from > > > > our roster I> would like to > > offer my help in> > organizing your family> tree, > > or > > research> > > > objectives.> > I am available here in person in San> > > > Francsicso, > > or > > by> email.> I like working with> > historical matters. > > If > > you have not > > > > submitted> > your family tree because you> don’t feel it is> > > > ready, at > > least > > let me take a look at> it. > > We> > can work together to > > get you > > past the > > coming>> > deadline.> We are stonger as a community with > > you> > > > with us.> > > > Christmas greetings to all. 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Posted : 20/12/2006 11:45 pm

Welester

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Howdy Esther ,

I will look into the books you mentioned cuz 😉

Welester

Posted : 20/12/2006 11:45 pm

ayalarobles

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The film with Quirina Zaldivar’s baptism is 0605464 covers 1797 – 1825 Santiago, NL.

THe early records for Monterrey have been extracted many times. I checked up to 1700 and did not see a marriage record for any Zaldivar. THey must have married in Santiago.

I checked Hilton and it says that Vicente Zaldivar brother of Agustin was married to Izaguierre in 1667 inMonterrey.

—
Esther A. Herold

————– Original message from Lester Alvarado : ————–

> Wow Yeaaaaaa wowowwowowowow
>
> The first set of Saldivars is listed my great great grandmother Quirina ( not
> Quilina ) and the rest of them are siblings . What a Christmas present Esther
> and Juan Zaldivar is the one that is married to Ysabel de la Garza , I don’t
> have the wedding date as of yet .
>
> The film is from what period , town . I will order it today I’m helping out a
> couple of Mormons with some genealogy stuff .
> Really Esther , thank you so very much you brought tears to my eyes .
>
> Your new best friend ,
> Welester
>
>
>
> > From: eaherold@att.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 20 Dec
> 2006 05:44:33 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos Members
> facing the gallows!> > On film 0605464 are listed the following Zaldivars:> >
> MA. JUANA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female
> Christening: 02 APR 1824 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > > 5.
> MA. QUILINA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female
> Christening: 06 JAN 1821 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > > 6.
> MA. FLORENCIA ZALDIVAR GOMEZ – International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female
> Christening: 14 MAR 1822 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > 3430.
> MARIA SECUNDINA SALDIVAR GOMES – International Genealogical Index > Gender:
> Female Christening: 03 JUL 1818 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico >
> 3439. JOSE JUSTO SALDIVAR GOMS. – International Genealogical Index > Gender:
> Male Christening: 20 JUL 1819 Santiago Apostol, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico > >
> > Vicente Zaldivar and Maria Farias Sosa had the following children:> > 1.
> Agustin Zaldivar ( my ancestor) married Ana Salinas either Monterrey or Salinas
> Victoria> 2. Margarita Zaldivar Farias married General Diego Ayala> 3. Ana
> Zaldivar Farias married Abrosio Cepeda Fuente> 4. Vicente Zaldivar Farias m (1)
> Maria Ysaguirre (2) Ursula de Urrutia 1667 in Cerralvo> per Marriage
> Investigations of the Diocese of Guadalajara 1653 – 1750 (1-2) Boderladns Books>
> 5. Marianna Zaldivar Farias married Diego Garcia Quintanilla> 6. Maria Zaldivar
> Farias married Bernardo Garcia Quintanilla brother of DIego.> > Agustin Zaldivar
> and Ana Salinas had a son Juan Zaldivar, he could be the one who married> Ysabel
> Garza. It is correct time period.> > I don’t know Vicente and Ursula’s children.
> Check Israel Cavazos books on Protocolos of Monterrey for wills. That is where I
> found Agustin’s. You can get Cavazos books from Borderlands Books. THere is a CD
> out also. ALso your library copies are available interlibrary loan.> My money is
> on Agustin.> > > > There might be more.> –> Esther A. Herold> > >
> ————– Original message from Lester Alvarado :
> ————– > > > > > > Hi there Esther , > > > > First off , Thanks for the
> help . #1. I haven’t checked on the death > > certificates or baptisms but I
> will . #2. I have the marraige certificate of > > Candelario Alvarado and
> Quirina Saldivar dated Oct. 26, 1844 married in the > > church of Villa de
> Santiago , Nuevo Leon . > > > > In the marriage certificate it shows Juan Jose
> Saldivar and Maria Ygnacia Gomez > > as the parents of Quirina . Juan and Maria
> were married on Sept. 25, 1817 . I > > don’t have the origen of the marraige . >
> > > > Here is what I have : > > Quirina Saldivar Gomez : parents are Juan Jose
> Saldivar Rodriguez de Montemayor > > y Ayala and Maria Ygnacia Gomez Alanis > >
> > > Juan Jose Saldivar’s parents : Jose Gregorio Saldivar Garza and Juana Maria
> > > Rodriguez de Montemayor y Ayala Silva > > > > Jose Gregorios parents :
> Agustin Saldivar Garza and Ana Josefa Rodriguez de > > Montemayor ( married Feb.
> 6, 1732 ) > > > > Agustin Saldivars parents : Juan Saldivar and Ysabel de la
> Garza Montemayor > > In still searching and trying to connect the Zaldivars or
> Saldivars to the ones > > in Zacatecas . > > > > > > Gotta go , > > Welester > >
> > > > > > > > From: eaherold@att.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date:
> Sun, 17 Dec > > 2006 20:08:45 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros
> Ranchos Members > > facing the gallows!> >
> http://www.registropublicocoahuila.gob.mx/ Registro de > > Civil COahuila> > in
> doing research you must check death certificates for places > > of birth. Do you
> have the death certificate for Juan Jose Saldivar or a baptism? > > What
> documents do you have Quirina Saldivar Gomez and what do the documents > > say?>
> > –> Esther A. Herold> > > ————– Original message from Lester > >
> Alvarado : ————– > > > > Howdy Ernie , > > No , I > > haven’t heard of
> them but I will look into it for you , let’s see > > somewhere > > around 1931 .
> I will also ask my friends at the Family Search Center > > to keep > > an eye
> out . Will keep you posted . > > > > Welester > > > > > > > > > Date: > > Sat,
> 16 Dec 2006 08:00:07 -0800> From: chuparrosa50@yahoo.com> To: > > > >
> general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos >
> > > > Members facing the gallows!> > It’s good to hear from you.> > I’ll let you
> > > know > > if I can dig anything up.> > I have relatives I’ve never met in
> Nuevo > > Leon. Part > > of> my maternal Porras clan. They left Hidalgo del
> Parral,> > > Chihuahua maybe 75 > > years ago to open a branch of> Pastas Porras
> in Nuevo > > Leon.> > I’ve seen > > newspaper clippings of them, whiter than>
> white!> Have > > you heard of them?> > > > Happy Holdiays, Ernie.> > > —
> Lester Alvarado > > wrote:> > > > > Hello Ernie ,> > > > Maybe you could help me
> here , I am trying > > to> > connect > > my great great grandmother her name is>
> > Quirina Saldivar > > Gomez to Vicente de > > Zaldivar in> > Zacatecas .
> Quirina’s father was Juan > > Jose Saldivar> > . I > > believe that his father
> was from Saltillo ,> > Coahuila > > from there I don’t have > > anymore info .
> I> > have read that one of Vicente’s > > son’s came to> > Saltillo , > > I just
> don’t know when . > > > > In the Archivos > > Historicos de Monterrey in the> >
> > > protocolos there appears the name of > > Saldivar here> > is what it says
> :Fondo: > > Ciudad Metropolitana de> > > > Monterrey (segunda

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