Hello Erica,

I found some discrepancies in your Romo de Vivar line. Here is what I have
reconstructed from my files:

1. Diego Romo de Vivar
Birth: abt. 1562
Marriage: Catalina Pérez
Fathered: 2. Diego Romo de Vivar
Death: after 1589

2. Diego Romo de Vivar
Birth: 1589
Baptism: 12 Mar 1589 in Rielves, Toledo, Spain
Marriage: Maria Rangel de Viezma y Rosales, aka María Rangel Peguero
Fathered: 3. Diego Romo de Vivar
Death Diego Romo: after 1658
Death María Rangel: 19 June 1659 in Aguascalientes México

3. Capitán Pedro Romo de Vivar
Birth: About 1634 Aguascalientes, México
Marriage: 05 May 1658 Lorenza de Tiscareño (aka Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza)
at Hda. de San Bartolomé, Aguascalientes, México
Fathered: 4. Nicolas Romo de Vivar
Death: after 1692
Death Lorenza de Tiscareño: 14 Feb 1692 Aguascalientes, México

4. Capitán Nicolás Romo De Vivar
Birth: about 1664 in Aguascalientes, México
Marriage: 12 February 1684 in Aguascalientes, México to Maria de
Villalobos
Fathered: 5. José Andrés Romo de Vivar
Death: 8 December 1713
Death María de Villalobos: 26 Feb 1720 Aguascalientes, México

5. José Andrés Romo de Vivar
Birth: 16 Apr 1709 Aguascalientes, México
Baptism: 25 April 1709 Aguascalientes, México
Marriage: 7 March 1734 Pabellón, Rincón de Romos, Aguascalientes, México
to María Margarita Martínez de Sotomayor
Fathered: 6. José Rufino Guadalupe Romo de Vivar
Death: before 1781

I don’t have a lot of information about later generations, so for now I’ll
stop with José Rufino Romo de Vivar. Notice that Capt. Pedro Romo de Vivar,
who married Lorenza de Tiscareño, was the son of Diego Romo de Vivar and
María Rangel. Capt. Nicolás Romo de Vivar was the son of Capt. Pedro Romo
de Vivar and Lorenza de Tiscareño. He married María de Villalobos. And so
on.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Bill Figueroa

Hi Bill,
Wow Thank you so much! Thank you for filling in the blanks! I knew I knew Pedro’s Wife lorenza Had to be a tiscareno because I have found several things stating that five children of Diego Romo de vivar married five children of the Tiscareno family. I was wondering where you got your information. This gives me alot more leads.
 
Some intresting info I have come across
it was a posting of a women named Connie Garcia Dominguez
 
a Book by Mariano Gonzalez-Leal, called “Estudio Historico-Genealogico sobre la Familia Guerra”, discusses the arrival of the Romo de Vivar line to the Aguascalientes/Jalisco area. There’s an appendix in this book on the Romo de Vivar family, where he delineates the lines extending from Diego Romo de Vivar – specifically, those of Diego’s son Pedro.

With regard to this Diego, who married Maria Rangel, Gonzalez-Leal write that he was born in 1589 in Rielves, Espana, was a Captain who arrived in the north of Mexico & was at one time “Teniente de Gobernador de Parral”. He later moved towards central Mexico, was “administrador de haciendas de Ovejas en el Bajío” and subsequently owned the “hacienda del Rincón” (which later became Rincon de Romos, Aguascalientes). The book does not give dates for these later events.
Between 1626 and 1656, there is almost no activity for this family in Aguascalientesproper. This is most likely because Maria Rangel remained in Rincon de Romos and raised her family there. In fact, according to my data, most of their children (Maria, Diego, Juan, Isabel, Antonia, Pedro, Geronimo and Francisco) married out of Aguascalientes, but later moved their families there. The only marriages I have on these children is the double-wedding of Juan and Pedro in 1658, and Francisco’s marriage in 1668. She (Maria) died in 1659, and was buried in Aguascalientes.

Regarding the family’s re-emergence in Aguascalientes, the earliest date I’ve found would have to be the baptism of Diego & Maria’s grandson:

Nicolas, son of Diego Romo de Vivar and Luisa de los Angeles (or de los Reies), baptized on 11 September 1656.
(IGI Film #0299421, p. 47, second section)

It is an interesting family, as 5 of these siblings married 5 siblings of the Tiscareno family. All told, according to the data I’ve got now, Diego Romo de Vivar and Maria Rangel had 8 children and 32 grandchildren! After that, the Romo de Vivar entries begin flooding in!

Both brothers Diego and Pedro had a son named Nicolas I have had trouble figuring out which Nicolas i am a desendant of

Thank you so much,
Please kep in touch with other geneology findings and I will do the same
Erica

________________________________
From: Bill Figueroa
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2008 9:16:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo De Vivar Aguascalientes

Hello Erica,

I found some discrepancies in your Romo de Vivar line.  Here is what I have
reconstructed from my files:

1. Diego Romo de Vivar
  Birth: abt. 1562
  Marriage: Catalina Pérez
  Fathered: 2. Diego Romo de Vivar
  Death: after 1589

2. Diego Romo de Vivar
  Birth: 1589
  Baptism: 12 Mar 1589 in Rielves, Toledo, Spain
  Marriage: Maria Rangel de Viezma y Rosales, aka María Rangel Peguero
  Fathered: 3. Diego Romo de Vivar
  Death Diego Romo: after 1658
  Death María Rangel:  19 June 1659 in Aguascalientes México

3. Capitán Pedro Romo de Vivar
  Birth: About 1634 Aguascalientes, México
  Marriage: 05 May 1658 Lorenza de Tiscareño (aka Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza)
  at Hda. de San Bartolomé, Aguascalientes, México
  Fathered: 4. Nicolas Romo de Vivar
  Death: after 1692
  Death Lorenza de Tiscareño: 14 Feb 1692 Aguascalientes, México

4. Capitán Nicolás Romo De Vivar
  Birth:  about 1664 in Aguascalientes, México
  Marriage: 12 February 1684 in Aguascalientes, México to Maria de
  Villalobos
  Fathered: 5. José Andrés Romo de Vivar
  Death: 8 December 1713
  Death María de Villalobos: 26 Feb 1720 Aguascalientes, México

5. José Andrés Romo de Vivar
  Birth: 16 Apr 1709 Aguascalientes, México
  Baptism: 25 April 1709 Aguascalientes, México
  Marriage: 7 March 1734 Pabellón, Rincón de Romos, Aguascalientes, México
to María Margarita Martínez de Sotomayor
  Fathered: 6. José Rufino Guadalupe Romo de Vivar
  Death: before 1781

I don’t have a lot of information about later generations, so for now I’ll
stop with José Rufino Romo de Vivar.  Notice that Capt. Pedro Romo de Vivar,
who married Lorenza de Tiscareño, was the son of Diego Romo de Vivar and
María Rangel.  Capt. Nicolás Romo de Vivar was the son of Capt. Pedro Romo
de Vivar and Lorenza de Tiscareño.  He married María de Villalobos. And so
on.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Bill Figueroa

Hi Bill:

I know your message was addressed to Erica but I read it too and I have a
question about it for you:

Under #2 Diego Romo de Vivar , you have that he fathered: #3 Diego Romo de
Vivar. but for #3 you list Capitan Pedro Romo de Vivar instead of “Diego”.
Which is right? or was Capitan Pedro Romo de Vivar also named Diego?
Am I missing something here?…

Thank you

John Gonzalez

========================================================================================

—– Original Message —–
From: “Bill Figueroa”
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 19:16
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo De Vivar Aguascalientes

Hello Erica,

I found some discrepancies in your Romo de Vivar line. Here is what I have
reconstructed from my files:

1. Diego Romo de Vivar
Birth: abt. 1562
Marriage: Catalina Pérez
Fathered: 2. Diego Romo de Vivar
Death: after 1589

2. Diego Romo de Vivar
Birth: 1589
Baptism: 12 Mar 1589 in Rielves, Toledo, Spain
Marriage: Maria Rangel de Viezma y Rosales, aka María Rangel Peguero
Fathered: 3. Diego Romo de Vivar
Death Diego Romo: after 1658
Death María Rangel: 19 June 1659 in Aguascalientes México

3. Capitán Pedro Romo de Vivar
Birth: About 1634 Aguascalientes, México
Marriage: 05 May 1658 Lorenza de Tiscareño (aka Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza)
at Hda. de San Bartolomé, Aguascalientes, México
Fathered: 4. Nicolas Romo de Vivar
Death: after 1692
Death Lorenza de Tiscareño: 14 Feb 1692 Aguascalientes, México

4. Capitán Nicolás Romo De Vivar
Birth: about 1664 in Aguascalientes, México
Marriage: 12 February 1684 in Aguascalientes, México to Maria de
Villalobos
Fathered: 5. José Andrés Romo de Vivar
Death: 8 December 1713
Death María de Villalobos: 26 Feb 1720 Aguascalientes, México

5. José Andrés Romo de Vivar
Birth: 16 Apr 1709 Aguascalientes, México
Baptism: 25 April 1709 Aguascalientes, México
Marriage: 7 March 1734 Pabellón, Rincón de Romos, Aguascalientes, México
to María Margarita Martínez de Sotomayor
Fathered: 6. José Rufino Guadalupe Romo de Vivar
Death: before 1781

I don’t have a lot of information about later generations, so for now I’ll
stop with José Rufino Romo de Vivar. Notice that Capt. Pedro Romo de Vivar,
who married Lorenza de Tiscareño, was the son of Diego Romo de Vivar and
María Rangel. Capt. Nicolás Romo de Vivar was the son of Capt. Pedro Romo
de Vivar and Lorenza de Tiscareño. He married María de Villalobos. And so
on.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Bill Figueroa

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HI John Gonzalez,
I can answer this for you Pedro was one of 8 siblings in which he had a brother named Deigo, Bill used this outline from me in which I once had that Pedro and Diego where the same person but i have since found they are brothers I have more information if you would like! You can see the last email I sent to bill about the information.

Hope this answers your question.
Thank you,
Erica

________________________________
From: John Gonzalez
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; Bill Figueroa
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:31:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo De Vivar Aguascalientes

Hi Bill:

I know your message was addressed to Erica but I read it too and I have a question about it for you:

Under #2 Diego Romo de Vivar , you have that he fathered: #3 Diego Romo de Vivar. but for #3 you list Capitan Pedro Romo de Vivar instead of “Diego”. Which is right? or was Capitan Pedro Romo de Vivar also named Diego?
Am I missing something here?…

Thank you

John Gonzalez

========================================================================================

—– Original Message —– From: “Bill Figueroa”
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 19:16
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo De Vivar Aguascalientes

Hello Erica,

I found some discrepancies in your Romo de Vivar line.  Here is what I have
reconstructed from my files:

1. Diego Romo de Vivar
  Birth: abt. 1562
  Marriage: Catalina Pérez
  Fathered: 2. Diego Romo de Vivar
  Death: after 1589

2. Diego Romo de Vivar
  Birth: 1589
  Baptism: 12 Mar 1589 in Rielves, Toledo, Spain
  Marriage: Maria Rangel de Viezma y Rosales, aka María Rangel Peguero
  Fathered: 3. Diego Romo de Vivar
  Death Diego Romo: after 1658
  Death María Rangel:  19 June 1659 in Aguascalientes México

3. Capitán Pedro Romo de Vivar
  Birth: About 1634 Aguascalientes, México
  Marriage: 05 May 1658 Lorenza de Tiscareño (aka Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza)
  at Hda. de San Bartolomé, Aguascalientes, México
  Fathered: 4. Nicolas Romo de Vivar
  Death: after 1692
  Death Lorenza de Tiscareño: 14 Feb 1692 Aguascalientes, México

4. Capitán Nicolás Romo De Vivar
  Birth:  about 1664 in Aguascalientes, México
  Marriage: 12 February 1684 in Aguascalientes, México to Maria de
  Villalobos
  Fathered: 5. José Andrés Romo de Vivar
  Death: 8 December 1713
  Death María de Villalobos: 26 Feb 1720 Aguascalientes, México

5. José Andrés Romo de Vivar
  Birth: 16 Apr 1709 Aguascalientes, México
  Baptism: 25 April 1709 Aguascalientes, México
  Marriage: 7 March 1734 Pabellón, Rincón de Romos, Aguascalientes, México
to María Margarita Martínez de Sotomayor
  Fathered: 6. José Rufino Guadalupe Romo de Vivar
  Death: before 1781

I don’t have a lot of information about later generations, so for now I’ll
stop with José Rufino Romo de Vivar.  Notice that Capt. Pedro Romo de Vivar,
who married Lorenza de Tiscareño, was the son of Diego Romo de Vivar and
María Rangel.  Capt. Nicolás Romo de Vivar was the son of Capt. Pedro Romo
de Vivar and Lorenza de Tiscareño.  He married María de Villalobos. And so
on.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Bill Figueroa

To change your subscription, log on to:
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Hi Erica:

Thank you for taking the time to get me straightened out about this family.
I too descend from the “Romo de Vivar” line.
Thank you for offering more information. Do you have any “Romo” or “Romo
de Vivar” from Santa Ana or Jalostotitlan?

Thank you.

John Gonzalez
1gnzlz@verizon.net

—– Original Message —–
From: “erica Peacock”
To:
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 08:45
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo De Vivar Aguascalientes

HI John Gonzalez,
I can answer this for you Pedro was one of 8 siblings in which he had a
brother named Deigo, Bill used this outline from me in which I once had that
Pedro and Diego where the same person but i have since found they are
brothers I have more information if you would like! You can see the last
email I sent to bill about the information.

Hope this answers your question.
Thank you,
Erica

Hi Erica,

My information about the Romo de Vivar family comes from various sources including genealogy and history books, church and civil records and information posted online. Most of the church and civil records include baptisms, marriage dispensations, padrones parroquiales, final wills and testaments, land grants, land titles, deaths, burials, etc. etc. The Catholic Church has done an excellent job keeping records since the early 1600s. I occasionally use information posted online, but only as reference. Too many errors and misleading info. is posted every day, some of which has NOT been checked or verified against the actual sources. If not caught early, these errors can be devastating and cause many hours of hard work to go to waste. Life is too short to waste valuable time.

My research began a few years ago when I decided to find my Mexican roots. Pretty soon I found myself engaged in an all-out effort to find the genealogy of many early settlers of Aguascalientes and their connecting lines to the families of Jalisco and Zacatecas. My current database includes 9,577 individuals and is still growing. I have not only found my roots, but those of the founding fathers and early settlers of Aguascalientes as well. The original records have been preserved on microfilm for future generations thanks to the vision and hard work of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I do most of my research at a local FHC and concentrate my efforts on specific items when I visit Aguascalientes. Most of all I go there to meet the people, visit old haciendas, and familiarize myself with the lay-of-the-land. My last visit was in February of this year.

I hope this gives you confidence in the information I provided. So far I have not been able to find the book “Estudio Histórico-Genealógico sobre la Familia Guerra” by Mariano González-Leal, but will try to locate it next time I go to México. Do you know the publisher’s name and year when it was published?

Take care, Erica. Thank you very much for the information you sent.

Bill Figueroa

fortunately but unfortunately only one library comes up as owning the
book in the US. You can contact them at (210) 207-2500 or
http://www.sanantonio.gov/Library/ to see if they allow ILL on this book:

Libraries with Item: “Estudio histórico-genealó…”( Record for Item |
Get This Item )
Location Library Code
US,TX SAN ANTONIO PUB LIBR SAP

Title: Estudio histórico-genealógico sobre la familia Guerra de las
montañas de Asturias y Santander, ramas de la Nueva Galicia :
con un apéndice sobre la familia Romo de Vivar /
Author(s): González-Leal, Mariano.
Publication: Santa Fe de Guanajuato, [México] : [s.n.] : printer,
Universidad de Guanajuato,
Year: 1982
Description: 127 p. : ill. ; 21 cm.
Language: Spanish
SUBJECT(S)
Descriptor: Spaniards — Mexico — Nueva Galicia — Genealogy.
Españoles — México — Nueva Galicia — Genealogía.
Named Person: Guerra family.
Romo de Vivar family.
Geographic: Nueva Galicia (Mexico) — Genealogy.
Asturias (Spain) — Genealogy.
Cantabria (Spain) — Genealogy.
Mexico — History — Spanish Colony, 1540-1810.
Nueva Galicia (México) — Genealogía.
Asturias (España) — Genealogía.
Cantabria (España) — Genealogía.
México — Historia — Período colonial, 1540-1810.
Identifier: Santander (Spain : Province); Genealogy.; Santander
(España : Provincia); Genealogía.
Class Descriptors: Dewey: 929.2
Other Titles: Familia Guerra; Familia Gverra
Responsibility: Mariano González-Leal.
Material Type: Biography (bio)
Document Type: Book
Entry: 20080826
Update: 20080826
Accession No: OCLC: 244443281
Database: WorldCat

Bill Figueroa wrote:
> Hi Erica,
>
> My information about the Romo de Vivar family comes from various sources including genealogy and history books, church and civil records and information posted online. Most of the church and civil records include baptisms, marriage dispensations, padrones parroquiales, final wills and testaments, land grants, land titles, deaths, burials, etc. etc. The Catholic Church has done an excellent job keeping records since the early 1600s. I occasionally use information posted online, but only as reference. Too many errors and misleading info. is posted every day, some of which has NOT been checked or verified against the actual sources. If not caught early, these errors can be devastating and cause many hours of hard work to go to waste. Life is too short to waste valuable time.
>
> My research began a few years ago when I decided to find my Mexican roots. Pretty soon I found myself engaged in an all-out effort to find the genealogy of many early settlers of Aguascalientes and their connecting lines to the families of Jalisco and Zacatecas. My current database includes 9,577 individuals and is still growing. I have not only found my roots, but those of the founding fathers and early settlers of Aguascalientes as well. The original records have been preserved on microfilm for future generations thanks to the vision and hard work of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I do most of my research at a local FHC and concentrate my efforts on specific items when I visit Aguascalientes. Most of all I go there to meet the people, visit old haciendas, and familiarize myself with the lay-of-the-land. My last visit was in February of this year.
>
> I hope this gives you confidence in the information I provided. So far I have not been able to find the book “Estudio Histórico-Genealógico sobre la Familia Guerra” by Mariano González-Leal, but will try to locate it next time I go to México. Do you know the publisher’s name and year when it was published?
>
> Take care, Erica. Thank you very much for the information you sent.
>
> Bill Figueroa

Bill,

Thank you, I am confidant in your research I was just curious if you knew of any more leads.
I happen to be LDS So I know alot about the information there. You said you go to the FHC Have you registered on the new family search? If not you definatly should, That is where most of my information is from, My Mother in Law is in charge of the FHC In south Houston.
 I would love to take a trip down into Mexico That must be really neat to actually see where your ancestors are from.  As for the book, looks like Joseph took care of finding it I have not been able to physically get a hold of it but I am close enough to San Antonio that I would be able to make a trip there, When I do I will definatly see if I can either photo copy info or I will just take lots of notes.

Thank you again! 
~Erica

________________________________
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; Bill Figueroa
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:51:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo De Vivar Aguascalientes

fortunately but unfortunately only one library comes up as owning the
book in the US. You can contact them at (210) 207-2500 or
http://www.sanantonio.gov/Library/ to see if they allow ILL on this book:

Libraries with Item: “Estudio histórico-genealó…”( Record for Item |
Get This Item )
Location    Library    Code
US,TX    SAN ANTONIO PUB LIBR    SAP

Title:    Estudio histórico-genealógico sobre la familia Guerra de las
montañas de Asturias y Santander, ramas de la Nueva Galicia :
con un apéndice sobre la familia Romo de Vivar /
Author(s):    González-Leal, Mariano.
Publication:    Santa Fe de Guanajuato, [México] : [s.n.] : printer,
Universidad de Guanajuato,
Year:    1982
Description:    127 p. : ill. ; 21 cm.
Language:    Spanish
    SUBJECT(S)
Descriptor:    Spaniards — Mexico — Nueva Galicia — Genealogy.
Españoles — México — Nueva Galicia — Genealogía.
Named Person:    Guerra family.
Romo de Vivar family.
Geographic:    Nueva Galicia (Mexico) — Genealogy.
Asturias (Spain) — Genealogy.
Cantabria (Spain) — Genealogy.
Mexico — History — Spanish Colony, 1540-1810.
Nueva Galicia (México) — Genealogía.
Asturias (España) — Genealogía.
Cantabria (España) — Genealogía.
México — Historia — Período colonial, 1540-1810.
Identifier:    Santander (Spain : Province); Genealogy.; Santander
(España : Provincia); Genealogía.
Class Descriptors:    Dewey: 929.2
Other Titles:    Familia Guerra; Familia Gverra
Responsibility:    Mariano González-Leal.
Material Type:    Biography (bio)
Document Type:    Book
Entry:    20080826
Update:    20080826
Accession No:    OCLC: 244443281
Database:    WorldCat

Bill Figueroa wrote:
> Hi Erica,
>
> My information about the Romo de Vivar family comes from various sources including genealogy and history books, church and civil records and information posted online.  Most of the church and civil records include baptisms, marriage dispensations, padrones parroquiales, final wills and testaments, land grants, land titles, deaths, burials, etc. etc.  The Catholic Church has done an excellent job keeping records since the early 1600s.  I occasionally use information posted online, but only as reference.  Too many errors and misleading info. is posted every day, some of which has NOT been checked or verified against the actual sources.  If not caught early, these errors can be devastating and cause many hours of hard work to go to waste.  Life is too short to waste valuable time.
>
> My research began a few years ago when I decided to find my Mexican roots.  Pretty soon I found myself engaged in an all-out effort to find the genealogy of many early settlers of Aguascalientes and their connecting lines to the families of Jalisco and Zacatecas.  My current database includes 9,577 individuals and is still growing.  I have not only found my roots, but those of the founding fathers and early settlers of Aguascalientes as well.  The original records have been preserved on microfilm for future generations thanks to the vision and hard work of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.  I do most of my research at a local FHC and concentrate my efforts on specific items when I visit Aguascalientes.  Most of all I go there to meet the people, visit old haciendas, and familiarize myself with the lay-of-the-land.  My last visit was in February of this year.
>
> I hope this gives you confidence in the information I provided.  So far I have not been able to find the book “Estudio Histórico-Genealógico sobre la Familia Guerra” by Mariano González-Leal, but will try to locate it next time I go to México.  Do you know the publisher’s name and year when it was published?
>
> Take care, Erica.  Thank you very much for the information you sent.
>
> Bill Figueroa

John,

Diego Romo de Vivar and María Rangel had the following children:

1.. Joseph Romo de Vivar, baptized 30 Jun 1625 at the Church of San Felipe Apóstol, Guanajuato. In 1644 Joseph married Juana Solís de Calahorra in Chihuahua. The following information extracted by Manuel Rosales, Cronista de Camargo, was published in the “Book of Marriages, Presidio de Conchos”.

In 1644 in the Presidio de Conchos, Chihuahua, were married Joseph Romo de Vivar Rangel, the son of Capitán Diego Romo de Vivar and María Rangel, and Juana de Solís Calahorra, the daughter of Capitán Juan de Solís and María de Calahorra

Joseph Romo de Vivar and Juana Solís had a son Gerónimo Romo de Vivar who married Margarita de Tiscareño, daughter of Luis Tiscareño de Molina and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza.

2.. Diego Romo de Vivar, born ca.1630 in México City, married Luisa de los Reyes (full name María Luisa de los Angeles de los Reyes).

3.. Capt. Juan Romo de Vivar, born ca. 1632, married María de Tiscareño (aka María Gabai) at Hacienda de San Bartolomé on 05 May 1658. Juan Romo de Vivar and María de Tiscareño are my ancestors. Capt. Juan Romo de Vivar was Supreme Justice of the Peace (Justicia Mayor) of Aguascalientes in 1670-1672 . His name appears in many legal documents of that period.

4.. Capt. Pedro Romo de Vivar, born ca. 1634, married Lorenza de Tiscareño (aka Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza) at Hacienda de San Bartolomé on 05 May 1658. This was a double wedding, two brothers marrying two sisters on the same day. The Hacienda de San Bartolomé belonged to Luis Tiscareño de Molina and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza. It is now called Hacienda de San Bartolo. I sent you some pictures earlier this year.

5.. Isabel Romo de Vivar, born ca. 1638, married Capt. Juan de Tiscareño ca. 1656. Juan was María and Lorenza’s older brother.

6.. Francisco Romo de Vivar, born ca. 1644, married Lorenza Delgado Tiscareño (aka Lorenza Gabai) on 12 Feb 1668 at Hda. de San Bartolomé. Lorenza was a granddaughter of Luis Tiscareño de Molina and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza.

7.. Antonia Romo de Vivar.

8.. María Romo de Vivar.

I don’t have any information on 7 and 8. Let me know if you find anything about them.

Hope this answers your question about Diego and Pedro Romo de Vivar.

Regards,
Bill Figueroa

Hi Bill,

Hope this helps, I got this info from Ancestry.com

Name:  Antonia Romo De Vivar Y De Rangel
Birth:  Abt 1636 – Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Death:  Abt 1672 – Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Parents:  Diego Romo De Vivar Y Perez, Maria De Rangel Y Pegüero
 
I have still not found any information on Maria except that she exsisted.
 
I have a question in regard to 
Nicolas Romo de Vivar 
Born 11 Sep.1656 in  Aguascalientes Mexico
married to Maria Villalobos/ marianna villalobs spelling varies*
Death 8 dec 1714 el sagrario, Aguascalientes ,Mexico
I keep finding him as the son of both Pedro Romo De Vivar & lorenza Tiscareno  and Diego Romo De Vivar & Luisa De los Reyes y Angeles I know one has to be wrong but i haven’t been able to figure it out. Do you know for sure who the correct parents are?
 
Thank you,
Erica
 
John,

Diego Romo de Vivar and María Rangel had the following children:

  1.. Joseph Romo de Vivar, baptized 30 Jun 1625 at the Church of San Felipe Apóstol, Guanajuato.  In 1644 Joseph married Juana Solís de Calahorra in Chihuahua.  The following information extracted by Manuel Rosales, Cronista de Camargo, was published in the “Book of Marriages, Presidio de Conchos”.

  In 1644 in the Presidio de Conchos, Chihuahua, were married Joseph Romo de Vivar Rangel, the son of Capitán Diego Romo de Vivar and María Rangel, and Juana de Solís Calahorra, the daughter of Capitán Juan de Solís and María de Calahorra

  Joseph Romo de Vivar and Juana Solís had a son Gerónimo Romo de Vivar who married Margarita de Tiscareño, daughter of Luis Tiscareño de Molina and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza.

  2.. Diego Romo de Vivar, born ca.1630 in México City, married Luisa de los Reyes (full name María Luisa de los Angeles de los Reyes). 

  3.. Capt. Juan Romo de Vivar, born ca. 1632, married María de Tiscareño (aka María Gabai) at Hacienda de San Bartolomé on 05 May 1658.  Juan Romo de Vivar and María de Tiscareño are my ancestors.  Capt. Juan Romo de Vivar was Supreme Justice of the Peace (Justicia Mayor) of Aguascalientes in 1670-1672 .  His name appears in many legal documents of that period.

  4.. Capt. Pedro Romo de Vivar, born ca. 1634, married Lorenza de Tiscareño (aka Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza) at Hacienda de San Bartolomé on 05 May 1658.  This was a double wedding, two brothers marrying two sisters on the same day.  The Hacienda de San Bartolomé belonged to Luis Tiscareño de Molina and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza.  It is now called Hacienda de San Bartolo.  I sent you some pictures earlier this year.

  5.. Isabel Romo de Vivar, born ca. 1638, married Capt. Juan de Tiscareño ca. 1656.  Juan was María and Lorenza’s older brother.

  6.. Francisco Romo de Vivar, born ca. 1644, married Lorenza Delgado Tiscareño (aka Lorenza Gabai) on 12 Feb 1668 at Hda. de San Bartolomé.  Lorenza was a granddaughter of Luis Tiscareño de Molina and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza.

  7.. Antonia Romo de Vivar.

  8.. María Romo de Vivar.

I don’t have any information on 7 and 8.  Let me know if you find anything about them.

Hope this answers your question about Diego and Pedro Romo de Vivar.

Regards,
Bill Figueroa

Erica,

Yes, I am registered to use the new Pilot FamilySearch site, but even though
I have found very useful information there, I have also found many errors.
Some involve entire batches of data, indicating that the person transcribing
the records was not paying attention and his/her data was not checked by
another person. As you know, it becomes very difficult to correct errors
once they get into the system. I also found out that it takes time to get a
response from Salt Lake City. A couple of months ago I sent a letter to the
LDS Library reporting some anomalies, but so far I have not heard a word
from them. The information I sent included photographs of actual records
plus other supporting documentation. The errors reported are for records
from Aguascalientes, already a large city by 1720, confused with records
from La Cieneguilla, a farming area some fifteen miles SW of Aguascalientes.
La Cieneguilla had a population of only a few hundred people and was owned
and operated by the Compañía de Jesús de Zacatecas (Jesuits). Other errors
I’ve found: records from the state of Campeche mixed with records from
Aguascalientes, race of Mexican children reported as being Irish (lots of
them), misspelled surnames names, etc. I wish they had a system online to
report and correct these errors. So, whenever possible, verify all data by
checking actual records on microfilm, i.e. “Trust but Verify”.

Bill

Hi Bill,

So true, so true…LDS has many errors, and there seems to be no way to
correct them. An example is the data they have on my great grand mother. I
had the information on one of my family trees in 1998, (do not know how it
became public) without verification, I did the verification in 2002 for all
my great grands, got it right, and it is still there……my errors are on
their site……
Thanks!

Phyls

PS…Is there any way to get my old, and I mean really old trees – dating
back to the late 90’s off of Rootswebs.com? I have tried emailing them etc,
nothing seems to work, those old email addresses and erroneous data is still
there!

—– Original Message —–
From: “Bill Figueroa”
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo De Vivar Aguascalientes

Erica,

Yes, I am registered to use the new Pilot FamilySearch site, but even though
I have found very useful information there, I have also found many errors.
Some involve entire batches of data, indicating that the person transcribing
the records was not paying attention and his/her data was not checked by
another person. As you know, it becomes very difficult to correct errors
once they get into the system. I also found out that it takes time to get a
response from Salt Lake City. A couple of months ago I sent a letter to the
LDS Library reporting some anomalies, but so far I have not heard a word
from them. The information I sent included photographs of actual records
plus other supporting documentation. The errors reported are for records
from Aguascalientes, already a large city by 1720, confused with records
from La Cieneguilla, a farming area some fifteen miles SW of Aguascalientes.
La Cieneguilla had a population of only a few hundred people and was owned
and operated by the Compañía de Jesús de Zacatecas (Jesuits). Other errors
I’ve found: records from the state of Campeche mixed with records from
Aguascalientes, race of Mexican children reported as being Irish (lots of
them), misspelled surnames names, etc. I wish they had a system online to
report and correct these errors. So, whenever possible, verify all data by
checking actual records on microfilm, i.e. “Trust but Verify”.

Bill

Erica,

This is the case of two first cousins with the same name (Nicolás Romo de Vivar) marrying two first cousins with similar names (Mariana and María de Villalobos). The first married Mariana de Villalobos, daughter of Nicolás de Villalobos and Theresa Carrillo de Sandi, residents of Teocaltiche, and the second María de Villalobos, daughter of Salvador de Villalobos and Francisca Martín del Campo, from San Juan de los Lagos, Teocaltiche and Aguascalientes.
1.. Nicolás Romo de Vivar, baptized 11 Sep 1656 at Parroquia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes, was the son of Diego Romo de Vivar and María Luisa de los Angeles de los Reyes. He married Mariana de Villalobos 14 Jan 1686 at the Church of Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco.

2.. Nicolás Romo de Vivar, born ca. 1664 (have not found his baptism) was the son of Capt. Pedro Romo de Vivar and Lorenza de Tiscareño (aka Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza). He married María de Villalobos (aka María López de la Cruz) 12 Feb 1684 at Parroquia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes.
Some of the relationships, names and aliases of the early settlers can be very confusing. Girls often used the names of their beloved grandmothers to honor them. You really have to build a huge family tree with all these people in order to keep them straight in your mind.

Bill Figueroa

Hola Pariente , I went to #6 below -Francisco Romo de Vivar , I went to WWW.familysearch.org. trying to see who was Lorenza Delgado Tiscareno(Ruiz de Esparza) parents. This site tells me that Luis Tiscareno and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza are her parents. Is this another error on this site and if so who were her parents?
thanks for your time
tu primo
Ronnie Reynoso
From: bill_figueroa@usa.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:01:28 -0600> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo De Vivar Aguascalientes> > John,> > Diego Romo de Vivar and María Rangel had the following children:> > 1.. Joseph Romo de Vivar, baptized 30 Jun 1625 at the Church of San Felipe Apóstol, Guanajuato. In 1644 Joseph married Juana Solís de Calahorra in Chihuahua. The following information extracted by Manuel Rosales, Cronista de Camargo, was published in the “Book of Marriages, Presidio de Conchos”. > > In 1644 in the Presidio de Conchos, Chihuahua, were married Joseph Romo de Vivar Rangel, the son of Capitán Diego Romo de Vivar and María Rangel, and Juana de Solís Calahorra, the daughter of Capitán Juan de Solís and María de Calahorra> > Joseph Romo de Vivar and Juana Solís had a son Gerónimo Romo de Vivar who married Margarita de Tiscareño, daughter of Luis Tiscareño de Molina and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza.> > 2.. Diego Romo de Vivar, born ca.1630 in México City, married Luisa de los Reyes (full name María Luisa de los Angeles de los Reyes). > > 3.. Capt. Juan Romo de Vivar, born ca. 1632, married María de Tiscareño (aka María Gabai) at Hacienda de San Bartolomé on 05 May 1658. Juan Romo de Vivar and María de Tiscareño are my ancestors. Capt. Juan Romo de Vivar was Supreme Justice of the Peace (Justicia Mayor) of Aguascalientes in 1670-1672 . His name appears in many legal documents of that period.> > 4.. Capt. Pedro Romo de Vivar, born ca. 1634, married Lorenza de Tiscareño (aka Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza) at Hacienda de San Bartolomé on 05 May 1658. This was a double wedding, two brothers marrying two sisters on the same day. The Hacienda de San Bartolomé belonged to Luis Tiscareño de Molina and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza. It is now called Hacienda de San Bartolo. I sent you some pictures earlier this year.> > 5.. Isabel Romo de Vivar, born ca. 1638, married Capt. Juan de Tiscareño ca. 1656. Juan was María and Lorenza’s older brother.> > 6.. Francisco Romo de Vivar, born ca. 1644, married Lorenza Delgado Tiscareño (aka Lorenza Gabai) on 12 Feb 1668 at Hda. de San Bartolomé. Lorenza was a granddaughter of Luis Tiscareño de Molina and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza.> > 7.. Antonia Romo de Vivar.> > 8.. María Romo de Vivar.> > I don’t have any information on 7 and 8. Let me know if you find anything about them.> > Hope this answers your question about Diego and Pedro Romo de Vivar.> > Regards,> Bill Figueroa> — — — — — — — — — — — — –> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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