One of our moorish ancestors is from northern spain. The king of aragon kidnapped him when he defeated his father. He raised as his own and then was allowed to marry into the kings family since he was not a biological son.
Another ancestor of alteno families is the grandson of the 2nd caliph of the almohads. He converted after witnessing a miracle. His children married spaniards and are ancestors of the frias and hijar families
Another ancestor of altenos claimed to be from northern spain but were from north africa with the grandmother being a mulata. In all genealogies that I have seen of this family that are on the internet they continue the lie that they were pure white
I have other true stories.
——Original Message——
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
Sender: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
ReplyTo: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Royal Blood
Sent: Dec 3, 2009 10:08 PM
I dont doubt some families had some Jewish converso or moorish blood in the south. It also
depends on the area of Spain. Andalucia is a hotspot for Moorish DNA that might have mixed
with some people. We have to be careful about this because this is where the stereotype
that Spaniards are not white because “THEY all mixed with muslims” This stereotype
was used against Spaniards in the early 1900s to say they were not white according to
American standards. Which is ridiculous of course some ought to have moor or jewish blood
but to say all Spaniards, thats iffy. Look at the US half the people they never considered white
are white now, Spaniards, English, German Italians, etc.
-Daniel
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I dont think no one is pure anything, its just a social concept. Like in Los Altos, the average claim
is they are full white, while this might be socially true of course we all came from Africa. The human race
originated in Africa. Socially, if you were white, then you were white, it didnt matter if you
had a great grandpa who was indio. This brings up la limpieza de sangre topic. If a european and
india had a kids (mestizo). If the mestizo married a white then the kid is (Castizo). If the Castizo
married white again then the kid would be 100% white socially wise. (enough too look like a regular
european). This is very difficult social topic to explain! This whole process might have even just be
avoided so they would have to deal with it by marrying inside the family. Going back to your
point of the moorish ancestor. The alteno would still be white, its too distant to even claim as your
culture. Its like me saying Im Polish, though I have an ancestor along time ago, it doesnt mean Im polish
I claim my Spanish ancestry more because I was raised with Spanish culture. This might be why even if they
have a moorish ancestor like 6 centuries ago, you arent moro your Spanish, what ever more blood you
have thats what you are. Of course you should be proud and recognize that moorish ancestor. But one thing
IS being moorish and another is being raised espanol. In my opinion white just means assimilation,
like in USA or Mexico if you passed as a white (no one would bother to disprove you) many mestizo
families in Mexico have darker and lighter children all in the same family. It works the same in the US
as long as you look white and claim european ancestry then your white. I havent met too many
people who descend from the Frias family only a handful. I havent connected
to them…possibly in the future, there area lot of unfinished lines in my tree!
-Daniel
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I found this on the US census website
White (Anyone that claims ancestry from the original peoples of Europe)
Thank goodness we dont live in the most igorance of times, I know most of
the people I know do consider southern Europeans, (Portugues, Spanish,
Italians, French, someitmes GErmans and Greeks white now)
I know when part of my family immigrated from Mexico in the late 1800s early
1900s they were marked as white. But around the 1980s they were forced
to label hispanic/latino. Recently in the 90s since hispanic/latino is now just
a choice we went back to white american. Since the definition was clearly
stated: White (Anyone that claims ancestry from the original peoples of Europe).
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I’m sorry if my post offended some of you. I meant to say that my daughter was born in the United States. I know that American refers to people of the whole continent, but I guess I got used to saying that term since everybody in here refers to US citizens as Americans.
In spanish it happens something similar. When I watch TV from Mexico I hear people referring to US citizens as “Norteamericanos”. That term should cover all of North America, not just the United States, and still, lots of people all over the world made American, or Norteamericano a term to refer to US citizens.
That reminds me of a story my dad told me. My parents were born in Mexico. One time, they were on vacation in Italy. The tour included travelers from all over Latin America and Spain. A guy from Spain asked my dad where was he from and he said in Spanish “yo soy norteamericano”.
The guy stares at my dad and says “From the United States?”
“No, from Mexico” my dad answered.
“Oh, then you are Mexicano”
“Yes, but I’m also a Norteamericano”
“No you are not”
“Is Mexico in Central America?” said my dad
“No”
“Is it in South America?”
“No”
“That’s right. Mexico is in North America” my dad finally said. “So I guess that makes me a Norteamericano” and then laughed.
Anyways, once again, I apologize if I offended anybody with my post. That was not my intention.
— On Fri, 12/4/09, ruben casillas moreno wrote:
From: ruben casillas moreno
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Being a Mexican
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 10:52 AM
America is a continent not a country, so we all in the american continent are amaricans.
Ruben Casillas M.
— El vie 4-dic-09, Steve Apodaca escribió:
De:: Steve Apodaca
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Being a Mexican
A: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: viernes 4 de diciembre de 2009, 9:34
I’m not so sure about this. In Mexico, hyphen terms are probably used to recent immigrants to Mexico, I assume, but I cannot confirm that. Based on my experience, what you say is not true. I used to live near the California border with Mexicali (lots of Chinese immigrants) and knew some second and third generation “Chinese-Mexicans”, as you would call them, but they always refered to themselves as Mexicanos, period. Of course, they were proud of their heritage, but they were Mexicanos. Same thing here in North Carolina. I live in Winston Salem, and there his a big population of Mexican immigrants, primarily from the states of Veracruz and Guerrero. Many of these guys are from Acapulco and the Costa Chica (Cuajinicuilapa and San Nicolas). Many of them could easily pass as African Americans, and guess what, they don’t call themselves “Afro-Mexicans”, but Mexicanos, just like I do.
Personally, I love Mexico, its culture, traditions, language, food, people, etc. I am a Mexicano because I lived there until age 15. One thing for sure, the Mexican government is disgusting. I love the country itself, but not the way it is run, and that is how I’m planning on raising my daughter. She’s an American. She’ll love the United States and the way it is run. I know, the US government is flawed, but I wish Mexican politicians were just a little bit like in the US. Anyways, I’ll teach her to love her Mexican culture and traditions. I’ll make sure she learns good English and good Spanish as well. What I’m trying to say is that I love all about Mexico, except the way it’s run, but I also appreciate the opportunities the United States gave my family.
Unfortunately, Mexico’s way of living is declining rapidly, thanks to poverty, corrupt politicians, and drug dealers. Sometimes I think Santa Ana made a big mistake when he gave the Mexican territory north of the Rio Grande to the US. Instead, he should’ve given all the territory north of the Suchiate River.
— On Thu, 12/3/09, Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto wrote:
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Being a Mexican
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 9:05 PM
My parents are mexican they identify with a hypehn term
Portuguese Mexican and Spanish Mexican. Just like inthe US
its common to see the hyphenated American term
(ie. Mexican American) it is also seen in Mexico.
-Daniel
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Hi Steve:
I agree with you 100%. It boggles my mind when I hear people, that should
know better, referring to this country as “America”.
A day doesn’t go by when I don’t hear government officials, including all
the way up to the president, media people, even in the Spanish language
channels, making comments like: He came from ( you pick any country south of
the border) to “America”.
It is sad, sad, sad…Perhaps this country should have been named with a
short, quick easy, to pronounce name. “United States of America” takes too
long to pronounce and write.
And by the way, I wonder how many people know that the official name of
Mexico ( with an “X”, not a “J” ) is: “Estados Unidos Mexicanos” If you
don’t believe me, look at any offical document or currency.
My dos centavos worth
John Gonzalez.
—– Original Message —–
From: “Steve Apodaca”
To:
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 20:59
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Being a Mexican
I’m sorry if my post offended some of you. I meant to say that my daughter
was born in the United States. I know that American refers to people of the
whole continent, but I guess I got used to saying that term since everybody
in here refers to US citizens as Americans.
In spanish it happens something similar. When I watch TV from Mexico I hear
people referring to US citizens as “Norteamericanos”. That term should cover
all of North America, not just the United States, and still, lots of people
all over the world made American, or Norteamericano a term to refer to US
citizens.
That reminds me of a story my dad told me. My parents were born in Mexico.
One time, they were on vacation in Italy. The tour included travelers from
all over Latin America and Spain. A guy from Spain asked my dad where was he
from and he said in Spanish “yo soy norteamericano”.
The guy stares at my dad and says “From the United States?”
“No, from Mexico” my dad answered.
“Oh, then you are Mexicano”
“Yes, but I’m also a Norteamericano”
“No you are not”
“Is Mexico in Central America?” said my dad
“No”
“Is it in South America?”
“No”
“That’s right. Mexico is in North America” my dad finally said. “So I guess
that makes me a Norteamericano” and then laughed.
Anyways, once again, I apologize if I offended anybody with my post. That
was not my intention.
— On Fri, 12/4/09, ruben casillas moreno
wrote:
From: ruben casillas moreno
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Being a Mexican
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 10:52 AM
America is a continent not a country, so we all in the american continent
are amaricans.
Ruben Casillas M.
— El vie 4-dic-09, Steve Apodaca escribió:
De:: Steve Apodaca
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Being a Mexican
A: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: viernes 4 de diciembre de 2009, 9:34
I’m not so sure about this. In Mexico, hyphen terms are probably used to
recent immigrants to Mexico, I assume, but I cannot confirm that. Based on
my experience, what you say is not true. I used to live near the California
border with Mexicali (lots of Chinese immigrants) and knew some second and
third generation “Chinese-Mexicans”, as you would call them, but they always
refered to themselves as Mexicanos, period. Of course, they were proud of
their heritage, but they were Mexicanos. Same thing here in North Carolina.
I live in Winston Salem, and there his a big population of Mexican
immigrants, primarily from the states of Veracruz and Guerrero. Many of
these guys are from Acapulco and the Costa Chica (Cuajinicuilapa and San
Nicolas). Many of them could easily pass as African Americans, and guess
what, they don’t call themselves “Afro-Mexicans”, but Mexicanos, just like I
do.
Personally, I love Mexico, its culture, traditions, language, food, people,
etc. I am a Mexicano because I lived there until age 15. One thing for sure,
the Mexican government is disgusting. I love the country itself, but not the
way it is run, and that is how I’m planning on raising my daughter. She’s an
American. She’ll love the United States and the way it is run. I know, the
US government is flawed, but I wish Mexican politicians were just a little
bit like in the US. Anyways, I’ll teach her to love her Mexican culture and
traditions. I’ll make sure she learns good English and good Spanish as well.
What I’m trying to say is that I love all about Mexico, except the way it’s
run, but I also appreciate the opportunities the United States gave my
family.
Unfortunately, Mexico’s way of living is declining rapidly, thanks to
poverty, corrupt politicians, and drug dealers. Sometimes I think Santa Ana
made a big mistake when he gave the Mexican territory north of the Rio
Grande to the US. Instead, he should’ve given all the territory north of the
Suchiate River.
— On Thu, 12/3/09, Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
wrote:
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Being a Mexican
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 9:05 PM
My parents are mexican they identify with a hypehn term
Portuguese Mexican and Spanish Mexican. Just like inthe US
its common to see the hyphenated American term
(ie. Mexican American) it is also seen in Mexico.
-Daniel
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I decend from Margarito de Renteria Hernandes abt 1790 – ?? and Maria Lauriana de Padilla abt 1795 – ?? they were from Calvillo, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
Could there be any connection here?
Thanks,
Victor Renteria
Victor,
Do you have any Renteria relatives from Jalpa, Zacatecas?
—– Original Message —–
From: dirtyworklandscape@sbcglobal.net
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2010 8:41:06 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Renteria Padilla
I decend from Margarito de Renteria Hernandes abt 1790 – ?? and Maria Lauriana de Padilla abt 1795 – ?? they were from Calvillo, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
Could there be any connection here?
Thanks,
Victor Renteria
