I consider other spellings as alternate spellings rather than mis spelllings.
It might be offensive to some people to say their ancestors mis spelled their own names.
For example, it was actually correct to spell Felipe with a “Ph” rather than an “F,” before around 1700. That’s why the archipelago off the coast of Asia is called the Philippines, but the people are called Filipinos in Spanish and English (and Pilipino in Tagalog, the language of the islands which has no F or Ph sound).
I consider other spellings as alternate spellings rather than mis spelllings.
It might be offensive to some people to say their ancestors mis spelled their own names.
For example, it was actually correct to spell Felipe with a “Ph” rather than an “F,” before around 1700. That’s why the archipelago off the coast of Asia is called the Philippines, but the people are called Filipinos in Spanish and English (and Pilipino in Tagalog, the language of the islands which has no F or Ph sound).
In reality there were many ways of spellings names until the Spanish language was standardized with the change of dynasties in Madrid, from the Hapsburgs who died out, and the Bourbons, who initiated widespread changes throughout the empire.
It was the Bourbons who brought about the metric system by scientific research in what is now Ecuador.
Gradually the old measurements, and coins such as the ocho reales, and two bits, were replaced by decimal based denominations such as the centavo and peso.
One thing we also must remember is that our ancestors seldom even saw the records for births, marriages and deaths. They or someone with them gave the facts as they knew them to a someone at the church and I’m not sure that person is the same one who recorded the information. Babies were baptized without the mother in attendance so information about her family was many times incorrect. It was normal for the mother not to leave the home for 40 days.
As for my family, many of them could not read or write so correcting or changing information was not an alternative for them. Many times mothers died before the child married and the step-mother is the only one others knew about and that complicates things too. Many families moved to different states or cities and again, information was second hand or guessed at. As for early records giving the nationality of the child even that has to be considered as a guess based on the child or fathers skin color, Many records show different nationalities for the children of the same parents.. guess some were darker than others. I’ve found this to be true in records from Zacatecas, Michoacan and Jalisco going back to the 1650’s at least.
I’ve also found that not all records are online in the IGI, some were not included and you have to read the actually film to see for yourself. I have also found errors made by the people who transcribed them for the IGI. I’ve found males listed as females, grandparents listed as parents and totally wrong surnames.. The records online are a wonderful starting place but you still have to put in the time to read them for yourself to be totally satisfied they are your family and correct… These are just some of the things I’ve found from 5 years of recording records.
Linda in Everett
erniealderete@charter.net wrote:
I consider other spellings as alternate spellings rather than mis spelllings.
It might be offensive to some people to say their ancestors mis spelled their own names.
For example, it was actually correct to spell Felipe with a “Ph” rather than an “F,” before around 1700. That’s why the archipelago off the coast of Asia is called the Philippines, but the people are called Filipinos in Spanish and English (and Pilipino in Tagalog, the language of the islands which has no F or Ph sound).
In reality there were many ways of spellings names until the Spanish language was standardized with the change of dynasties in Madrid, from the Hapsburgs who died out, and the Bourbons, who initiated widespread changes throughout the empire.
It was the Bourbons who brought about the metric system by scientific research in what is now Ecuador.
Gradually the old measurements, and coins such as the ocho reales, and two bits, were replaced by decimal based denominations such as the centavo and peso.
One thing we also must remember is that our ancestors seldom even saw the records for births, marriages and deaths. They or someone with them gave the facts as they knew them to a someone at the church and I’m not sure that person is the same one who recorded the information. Babies were baptized without the mother in attendance so information about her family was many times incorrect. It was normal for the mother not to leave the home for 40 days.
As for my family, many of them could not read or write so correcting or changing information was not an alternative for them. Many times mothers died before the child married and the step-mother is the only one others knew about and that complicates things too. Many families moved to different states or cities and again, information was second hand or guessed at. As for early records giving the nationality of the child even that has to be considered as a guess based on the child or fathers skin color, Many records show different nationalities for the children of the same parents.. guess some were darker than others. I’ve found this to be true in records from Zacatecas, Michoacan and Jalisco going back to the 1650’s at least.
I’ve also found that not all records are online in the IGI, some were not included and you have to read the actually film to see for yourself. I have also found errors made by the people who transcribed them for the IGI. I’ve found males listed as females, grandparents listed as parents and totally wrong surnames.. The records online are a wonderful starting place but you still have to put in the time to read them for yourself to be totally satisfied they are your family and correct… These are just some of the things I’ve found from 5 years of recording records.
Linda in Everett
erniealderete@charter.net wrote:
I consider other spellings as alternate spellings rather than mis spelllings.
It might be offensive to some people to say their ancestors mis spelled their own names.
For example, it was actually correct to spell Felipe with a “Ph” rather than an “F,” before around 1700. That’s why the archipelago off the coast of Asia is called the Philippines, but the people are called Filipinos in Spanish and English (and Pilipino in Tagalog, the language of the islands which has no F or Ph sound).
In reality there were many ways of spellings names until the Spanish language was standardized with the change of dynasties in Madrid, from the Hapsburgs who died out, and the Bourbons, who initiated widespread changes throughout the empire.
It was the Bourbons who brought about the metric system by scientific research in what is now Ecuador.
Gradually the old measurements, and coins such as the ocho reales, and two bits, were replaced by decimal based denominations such as the centavo and peso.
I am so eager and happy to learn about how our ancestors lived! All these
tidbits are so interesting plus it makes it easier to understand search
because I for one don’t feel like I am fumbling in the dark.Most of this
information you are all sharing is ‘new’ to me!
Hope
I am so eager and happy to learn about how our ancestors lived! All these
tidbits are so interesting plus it makes it easier to understand search
because I for one don’t feel like I am fumbling in the dark.Most of this
information you are all sharing is ‘new’ to me!
Hope
Back at the ranch……that is when we were at the yahoo’s Rancho group we had a long discussion on this. I would like to revive those messages here. Please view from the archive:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2003h2/msg00026.html
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2003h2/msg00027.html
Hope this helps those people new to the group…
Good luck on your search.
Angie Godina
Back at the ranch……that is when we were at the yahoo’s Rancho group we had a long discussion on this. I would like to revive those messages here. Please view from the archive:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2003h2/msg00026.html
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2003h2/msg00027.html
Hope this helps those people new to the group…
Good luck on your search.
Angie Godina
Great point Linda, This point can never be said enough. The stuff online
is just the beginning or starting point. Everything absolutely
everything needs to be seen with your own eyes. Then once you’ve seen it
you need to give the references where others can go to find the
information.
thanks Linda, please continue saying this as new people come on board. I
appreciate the help in reminding people of this crucial point.
joseph
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
>One thing we also must remember is that our ancestors seldom even saw the records for births, marriages and deaths. They or someone with them gave the facts as they knew them to a someone at the church and I’m not sure that person is the same one who recorded the information. Babies were baptized without the mother in attendance so information about her family was many times incorrect. It was normal for the mother not to leave the home for 40 days.
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> As for my family, many of them could not read or write so correcting or changing information was not an alternative for them. Many times mothers died before the child married and the step-mother is the only one others knew about and that complicates things too. Many families moved to different states or cities and again, information was second hand or guessed at. As for early records giving the nationality of the child even that has to be considered as a guess based on the child or fathers skin color, Many records show different nationalities for the children of the same parents.. guess some were darker than others. I’ve found this to be true in records from Zacatecas, Michoacan and Jalisco going back to the 1650’s at least.
> I’ve also found that not all records are online in the IGI, some were not included and you have to read the actually film to see for yourself. I have also found errors made by the people who transcribed them for the IGI. I’ve found males listed as females, grandparents listed as parents and totally wrong surnames.. The records online are a wonderful starting place but you still have to put in the time to read them for yourself to be totally satisfied they are your family and correct… These are just some of the things I’ve found from 5 years of recording records.
> Linda in Everett
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Great point Linda, This point can never be said enough. The stuff online
is just the beginning or starting point. Everything absolutely
everything needs to be seen with your own eyes. Then once you’ve seen it
you need to give the references where others can go to find the
information.
thanks Linda, please continue saying this as new people come on board. I
appreciate the help in reminding people of this crucial point.
joseph
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
>One thing we also must remember is that our ancestors seldom even saw the records for births, marriages and deaths. They or someone with them gave the facts as they knew them to a someone at the church and I’m not sure that person is the same one who recorded the information. Babies were baptized without the mother in attendance so information about her family was many times incorrect. It was normal for the mother not to leave the home for 40 days.
>
> As for my family, many of them could not read or write so correcting or changing information was not an alternative for them. Many times mothers died before the child married and the step-mother is the only one others knew about and that complicates things too. Many families moved to different states or cities and again, information was second hand or guessed at. As for early records giving the nationality of the child even that has to be considered as a guess based on the child or fathers skin color, Many records show different nationalities for the children of the same parents.. guess some were darker than others. I’ve found this to be true in records from Zacatecas, Michoacan and Jalisco going back to the 1650’s at least.
> I’ve also found that not all records are online in the IGI, some were not included and you have to read the actually film to see for yourself. I have also found errors made by the people who transcribed them for the IGI. I’ve found males listed as females, grandparents listed as parents and totally wrong surnames.. The records online are a wonderful starting place but you still have to put in the time to read them for yourself to be totally satisfied they are your family and correct… These are just some of the things I’ve found from 5 years of recording records.
> Linda in Everett
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thanks for the information, i have been searching for someone who may know
something about the viramontes name. thanks jovana viramontes
thanks for the information, i have been searching for someone who may know
something about the viramontes name. thanks jovana viramontes
well the purpose of this group is to find common links and to help each
other in their research. At your first opportunty you need to go to your
closest Family History Center so you can order some of the films we’ve
been talking about.
do you know the specific Location in Zacatecas that your Viramontes come
from? If not how did you find out that they were from Zacatecas?
joseph
JvKomadi@aol.com wrote:
>thanks for the information, i have been searching for someone who may know
>something about the viramontes name. thanks jovana viramontes
well the purpose of this group is to find common links and to help each
other in their research. At your first opportunty you need to go to your
closest Family History Center so you can order some of the films we’ve
been talking about.
do you know the specific Location in Zacatecas that your Viramontes come
from? If not how did you find out that they were from Zacatecas?
joseph
JvKomadi@aol.com wrote:
>thanks for the information, i have been searching for someone who may know
>something about the viramontes name. thanks jovana viramontes
I was told that my grandfather was from jalpa. his parents were born there
also and remained there until their passing. my father doesn’t seem to know
much about his own family, or that’s what he has lead me to be live. I am still
trying to reach my aunt carmen, I was told by my fathers wife that she knows
a lot more about were we came from along with names etc.. I feel my father is
keeping some info from me, why ? I am not sure . but I am going to keep
asking until I find the info I need. thanks jovana
I was told that my grandfather was from jalpa. his parents were born there
also and remained there until their passing. my father doesn’t seem to know
much about his own family, or that’s what he has lead me to be live. I am still
trying to reach my aunt carmen, I was told by my fathers wife that she knows
a lot more about were we came from along with names etc.. I feel my father is
keeping some info from me, why ? I am not sure . but I am going to keep
asking until I find the info I need. thanks jovana
