My husband, who is descended from Altenos (the Albas, Cervantes, Ruis de Esparza, Rubalcabas, etc.) has no illusions about his ancestry either in Mexico or going back to Spain.
He just showed me this paragraph from one of his books about the admixture of cultures in Spain over the centuries: “Christian families with more pedigree than cash, or with a prudent respect for ability, accepted them [Jews] in marriage.. In this way the Spanish people, especially the upper classes, received a substantial infusion of Jewish blood. Ferdinand the Catholic and Torquemada the Inquisitor had Jews in their ancestry. Pope Paul IV, at war with Phillip II, called him and the Spanish the “worthless seed of the Jews and Moors”.
I know that the rest of Europe looked askance at Spaniards and Portuguese as not being Europeans. Wasn’t there a dust-up about allowing them into the EU?
So, it seems to me that the Spaniards are as mongrel a race as mestizos are now considered, and they always were. I totally agree with this poster’s statement “we should always hold the truth above all else, not make the truth fit our agenda or as we wish to see it”. Neither Spaniards in the Old World or the New World were pure anything.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: gandalf3.1@netzero.com
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:00:30 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] R1b and Altenos ?
>
> “Yes, the Casillas family descendant from Martin Casillas relative of Viceroy Mendoza is
> also R1b1b2 Celtic-p Frisian…the majority of families are Celtic…”
>
> With all due respect,this is a ridiculous statement. If you are talking about a group of families that is one thing, but to say that the majority of the inhabitants of Los Altos are “Celtic” is laughable.
>
> First of all, the lable “Celtic” applies too a broad group of Ancient Peoples of who the only truly “Celtic” peoples were the Gauls of France and inhabitants of what is now Centeral Europe, these groups gave rise to the Hallstadt and La Tene Celtic “culture” that spread through out Europe. The R1b marker is called the “Atlantic Model haplotype” meaning it is most common in the Atlantic seaboard,from Spain and the British Isles, but also North Africa. There is a very recent DNA study conducted for the Discovery channel special on King Tut and the preliminary results look like Tut may also be R1b, this means that the R1b haplotype spread from North Africa as well as Iberia. R1b is associated with the Basques, their genetic kinship to the Irish and Welsh in well attested, and the Basques are pre-Indo European peoples who have nothing to do with the Celts proper. Therefore the Welsh and Irish must revisit they idea of a “Celtic” nationality ( whatever that is). Altenos of Europ
e
> an decent reflect Spain, and Spain at the advent of the colinazation of the Americas was a very heterogenous country. Until there is a study conducted and evidence that the majority of Altenos are of a similar genetic background I would avoid painting all of us with such broad strokes.
>
> One of the reasons that people engage in genetic research is to associate themselves with groups of ancient people, we hope that those people are great warriors or leaders, the reality we encounter may be completely different from what we hope, but we should always hold the truth above all else, not make the truth fit our agenda or as we wish to see it.
>
According to National Geographic and Spencer Wells from the Genographic
Project, everyone on the world today descends from a single male person who
lived about 60,000 to 70,000 years ago. This person, or “Scientific Adam” as
they named him, lived in eastern Africa, close to Ethiopia.
If this theory is correct, and the scientific evidence shows it is, does
this mean everyone in the world today is African? Or what does this mean to
you?
De acuerdo con National Geographic y Spencer Wells del Proyecto Genográfico,
todos los que vivimos hoy en día descendemos de un solo hombre quien vivió
entre 60,000 y 70,000 años atrás. Esta persona, o “Adán scientífico como lo
han llamado, vivió en el este de África, cerca de Etiopía.
Si esta teoría es correcta, y la evidencia científica la demuestra,
significa esto que todos en el mundo somos Africanos? O para ti qué
significa esto?
Ricardo Rodríguez Camarena
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco
To me it simply means the first homo sapiens “Came out of Africa” and the migration patterns are bolstered by artifacts found along the way. Here is a link to an article about that theory and another one:
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html#fullbio
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:30:12 -0600
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we all African? Somos todos Africanos?
>
> According to National Geographic and Spencer Wells from the Genographic
> Project, everyone on the world today descends from a single male person who
> lived about 60,000 to 70,000 years ago. This person, or “Scientific Adam” as
> they named him, lived in eastern Africa, close to Ethiopia.
>
> If this theory is correct, and the scientific evidence shows it is, does
> this mean everyone in the world today is African? Or what does this mean to
> you?
>
>
>
>
> De acuerdo con National Geographic y Spencer Wells del Proyecto Genográfico,
> todos los que vivimos hoy en día descendemos de un solo hombre quien vivió
> entre 60,000 y 70,000 años atrás. Esta persona, o “Adán scientífico como lo
> han llamado, vivió en el este de África, cerca de Etiopía.
>
> Si esta teoría es correcta, y la evidencia científica la demuestra,
> significa esto que todos en el mundo somos Africanos? O para ti qué
> significa esto?
>
>
>
> Ricardo Rodríguez Camarena
> Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco
>
Heres a new thing not only in Los Altos are Spanish descendants, last time I checkedthere are also Germans, French, Russians, English, Americans, Portuguese, Italiansand all sorts of other people. They probably mixed with the “alteno aristocracy there”We have to take account all the people that since the indpendence settled in Los Altosbesides the Spanish. Not saying they are in the millions but there are sure other nonSpanish surnames in Los Altos I have heard and seen.
Regards,Daniel
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> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: gandalf3.1@netzero.com
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:00:30 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] R1b and Altenos ?
>
> “Yes, the Casillas family descendant from Martin Casillas relative of Viceroy Mendoza is
> also R1b1b2 Celtic-p Frisian…the majority of families are Celtic…”
>
> With all due respect,this is a ridiculous statement. If you are talking about a group of families that is one thing, but to say that the majority of the inhabitants of Los Altos are “Celtic” is laughable.
>
> First of all, the lable “Celtic” applies too a broad group of Ancient Peoples of who the only truly “Celtic” peoples were the Gauls of France and inhabitants of what is now Centeral Europe, these groups gave rise to the Hallstadt and La Tene Celtic “culture” that spread through out Europe. The R1b marker is called the “Atlantic Model haplotype” meaning it is most common in the Atlantic seaboard,from Spain and the British Isles, but also North Africa. There is a very recent DNA study conducted for the Discovery channel special on King Tut and the preliminary results look like Tut may also be R1b, this means that the R1b haplotype spread from North Africa as well as Iberia. R1b is associated with the Basques, their genetic kinship to the Irish and Welsh in well attested, and the Basques are pre-Indo European peoples who have nothing to do with the Celts proper. Therefore the Welsh and Irish must revisit they idea of a “Celtic” nationality ( whatever that is). Altenos of Euro
pe
> an decent reflect Spain, and Spain at the advent of the colinazation of the Americas was a very heterogenous country. Until there is a study conducted and evidence that the majority of Altenos are of a similar genetic background I would avoid painting all of us with such broad strokes.
>
> One of the reasons that people engage in genetic research is to associate themselves with groups of ancient people, we hope that those people are great warriors or leaders, the reality we encounter may be completely different from what we hope, but we should always hold the truth above all else, not make the truth fit our agenda or as we wish to see it.
>
